decimation: what is the usd price on -otc?
mats_cd03: perhaps they believe that it will get cheaper still.
asciilifeform: but an 'official' price will exist, if only for the consumption of the faux btc press
decimation: if you guys really think that the exchanges are 'decoupled with reality' then you should buy while its cheap, right?
mats_cd03: i for one would buy thousands of btc if it went to 0.3, and im sure many in this channel would too. it'd hasten the demise of some common enemies
asciilifeform: point re: 0.30 etc is that if the 'tame' exchanges are sufficiently decoupled from physical reality, then there is no bottom.
asciilifeform: at 2 kakobrekla sells his airplane and buys the entire lot ?
decimation: mats_cd03: we are still in the minor leagues it's true
mats_cd03: what can they do with 400k
decimation: asciilifeform: the analogous situation with computers is buried inside the silicon of course
mats_cd03: it just occurred to me how much of a fight btc is going to be in for with the usd over the next decade
asciilifeform: and, being where it is, would neither be apparent nor easily reached by an enemy.
asciilifeform: in such a way that the turd would interfere with proper operation unless fed the correct magic
asciilifeform: so then final lock was placed as a turd in the fissile core (in fusion nukes, fissile initiator, almost same)
asciilifeform: this was a threadbare solution, for obvious reasons - easy to spot where 'the goods' sit; know where to 'hotwire.'
asciilifeform: when (americans - afaik, no one else) felt a desire for locks, the first such took the form of little 'safes', modules similar to car ignition boxes of the time.
asciilifeform: in early nukes, there was no lock.
asciilifeform: fritz chip carries on as a diversion only, not an honest effort. the folks in usg with remaining working neurons realized after 'clipper' that a plainly labelled bull's eye - is dumb.
decimation: The problem that usg has is that they would have to get china to buy into whatever 'secure computing' solution they want to push
asciilifeform: since 'tutankhamon' solution was presumably not used - then stowed away elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: roughly the same as following marker iodine through a body.
mircea_popescu: decimation if you're into humint, follow where the employees "let off" go.
decimation: Trusted computing group is indeed the author of the 'fritz chip' specs http://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/resources/tpm_main_specification
assbot: The Trusted Computing Conference Announces Microsoft, the Trusted Computing Group and Wave Systems Corp. as Diamond Sponsors
decimation: There is indeed a relationship between the Microsoft Trustworthy Computer Group and the Trusted Computing Group http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/trusted-computing-conference-announces-microsoft-trusted-computing-group-wave-systems-1824245.htm
mircea_popescu: so i joined all other bitcoin channels. (from http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode&chat=bitcoin )
mircea_popescu: then killed when done
decimation: the mind reels. one wonders who the patron of the said 'trustworthy computing group' would be... and why they are no longer calling the tunes?
mircea_popescu: us chick in a car with a stud that outruns the cops, she has something to bitch about.
kakobrekla: seems ok that bitzuma, on the first glance
assbot: Blockchain.info Paper Backup Stores Private Keys in the Browser History - Bitzuma
kakobrekla: http://bitzuma.com/posts/blockchain-info-paper-backup-stores-private-keys-in-the-browser-history/
mircea_popescu: who knew we'll live in the time of such richness.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 168.59 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.16 TH/s
mircea_popescu: <dub> like apple user doesnt secretly want her nude selfies leaked online << you mean the photoshopped nudies hackers obsessed with her made ?
mircea_popescu: <mthreat> That's the problem with double bottoms... they always look like double bottoms at first. << word.
Duffer1: govt will just invoke patriot act and require them to backdoor it
assbot: Apple’s dangerous game - The Washington Post
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Our pools' still not on the bot
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's going on there, miner down ? or we on invisible pool ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> bfl assets seized << all pointers seem to indicate the forum post is a prank.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 131.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: ;;later tell nubbins` The poster is beautiful. Thanks!
gribble: You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
mod6: the website says "right now" too, so it looks correct to me on that last one
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: some usians claim that some kinds of ethanol burn more "cleanly" than others.
The20YearIRCloud: Allthe corn in the US produced this year will go to raise more beef for next year, as beef prices are astronomical
The20YearIRCloud: in my area virtually all corn from one county goes to ethanol, and they don't grade it
The20YearIRCloud: Really has nothing to do with HFCS and the fact that americans consume tons of sugar/carbs with low-ish exircise
mircea_popescu: besides, don't they make ethanol ?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: cookies?
BingoBoingo: Is this why they can't release auction results?
mircea_popescu: lol watch out, the catchup begins
ben_vulpes: bwahahahat is going on there
mircea_popescu: there is no pron
rithm: not sure what's going on there
mod6: so in #altcoin, i added an undocumented command to query btc.blockr.io for the last block time + last block number, looks like this: Time Since Last BTC Block (321557): 0 hour(s), 7 minutes
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, they're smoking crack over at blockchain.info, btc.blockr.io shows 321555: http://btc.blockr.io/api/v1/block/info/last
rithm: create your own altcoin, just to be allowed access to the forum, secret societies forming and such
mircea_popescu: as correct as otherwise your position may be.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 this is basically like smbc's technicality club. you can easily end up hammered into the dirt for having used the wrong adjective.
los_pantalones: i took umbrage with your use of the word 'real'
mircea_popescu: you just did a poor job of arguing against them :)
mircea_popescu: how did you get the idea galileo burned ?
BlueMeanie4: everyone knows that if you keep sailing west you will fall off the edge of the world and dragons will eat you
mircea_popescu: or the women that didn't suck cock well enough.
mircea_popescu: or i guess the poor ones
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well, only the annoying ones :D
mircea_popescu: "you can speak whatever you wish as long as the duke of parma protects you"
BlueMeanie4: otherwise its cement shoes for you! yay lolbertarianism
BlueMeanie4: therefore if you dont have a high life-value rating, you shouldnt express your opinions
los_pantalones: quantifying stuff like that usually tends towards looking at willingness to pay for insurance and other similar protections
BlueMeanie4: every person can have an entry on the block chain that indicates the current value of their life
BlueMeanie4: hold on so its not dangerous because 'the market' will weed out any undesirable assassinations?
los_pantalones: BlueMeanie4 the probability of you being successful in this endeavor is not 'real danger'
rithm: gribble needs to use chain API and join the VC shill rtevolution amirite
BlueMeanie4: if you cant see the obvious problem with that im not going to run down that road with you
BlueMeanie4: seems these perpetual adolescents who browse 4chan think an anonymous assassination market would be real swell
mircea_popescu: you're familiar with the legal concept right ? "court will see through the veil" device in bankruptcy, probate and so forth.
asciilifeform: aaaand now we can add Salsa20 to the list of 'unsavoury' algos...
BlueMeanie4: per share? what if theres a split?
BlueMeanie4: the truth has been written down many times, the technology we used to write it wasn't the problem :)
mircea_popescu: either that or wikipedia
mircea_popescu: you need a wot account and then a rating from someone in assbot's trust list to be able to self voice.
Duffer1: there's always usenet <3
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well i wouldn't imagine it'd be the entire opinions
BlueMeanie4: wasnt the internet supposed to relieve us of this sort of thing?
BlueMeanie4: its someone frightening that we form our entire opinion of someone these days by what shows up on google
los_pantalones: there he is
mircea_popescu: chetty is valliantly fighting the engines
BlueMeanie4: whats that the fibonacci pattern for btc?
Duffer1: has anyone stepped up to claim the massive no bets?
mircea_popescu: well the bet.
BlueMeanie4: the real berkshire?
mircea_popescu: see kakobrekla, this is how cumstomer support is done, not the stuff you do!
Nick___: all the same, my compliments
mircea_popescu: i don't run it, kako does. i just get the cookies :D
mircea_popescu: Nick___ seems a tx failed to propagate properly. sorry for the inconvenience. will be rebroadcast presently. thanks for reporting.
assbot: BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
assbot: BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
assbot: BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
Nick___: I am looking for some help. One of the winning bets that closed on bitbet did not pay out to my addresses, looking for someone to look into it. Can anyone help?
mircea_popescu: that 50 btc diff bet ended up 800 btc on the winning side two weeks out.
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's not even half of it. even 1k on either side wil probably draw reaction. i'd guess if you drop 5k on a side you'll get more volume on the other just on general principle.
mircea_popescu: except the problem is i don't see any large march brk puts hgaving happened this week
mike_c: this is nuts: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/786/ you could drop 5,000 btc on either side and get decent returns.
mircea_popescu: if he wrote brk-a puts and he somehoiw has a default bitcoin put by some reason (say, the reason being large holdings) then this is a +ev move
los_pantalones: lots of uses when there is good liquidity
los_pantalones: not sure either side is short bitcoin
los_pantalones: the trade pays in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: (also anyone who reads the logs, which by now is tens of thousands of people)
mircea_popescu: in finance there's no constants. just vairables with the appearance of constance in context.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: adonis << gonna be me, you, and that one other russian fellow who gets it..
jborkl: yes it is , the amount has become very large. Let me get the basis of the article together and I will come back for more details and opinions
mike_c: but the story is hot now. 1500 BTC bet short on bitcoin sounds like a juicy headline.
jborkl: point taken mike_c, the bet resolves so far out I have just been waiting
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does, but im not giving it. let the wise have an easter egg.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the adonis-number needs a footnote probably
mircea_popescu: this is well revolutionary, im noteven sure the chinese have access to such performance.
los_pantalones: and they try to profile you and fade your ass
mircea_popescu: where else can you drop 50k on a side and not appreciably swing the odds.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of liquidity : bitbet can actually cover any bet at the stated odds well up to 100 BTC.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/
mike_c: if i ran the chamber of commerce i likely have already written a dozen articles about bitbet :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c what if you ran the bitcoin chamber of commerce ?
punkman: 150% profit on the original 1000, that's gonna be nice
los_pantalones: there was 250 on X under 350 ?
thestringpuller: wealth ain't shit when there's health next to tit
thestringpuller: money ain't shit when there is wealth next to it
los_pantalones: yeah, thought the brk px was off
los_pantalones: thestringpuller what was that calc ?
kakobrekla: []bot> Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 2566.68146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,220. < usg found more coin in the couch?
xmj: that'd make him the Good person.
chetty: then proper statement would be opposite
xmj: chetty: read the blog, it doesn't matter who is evil
chetty: <xmj> and i think mp is my hidden evil twin that's why we hate each other so //how do you know you are not the evil one?
assbot: Your Evil Twins and How to Find Them
thestringpuller: people don't have faith in the bitcoin economy anymore :(
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the more annoying you are to larger groups of people, the less advisable it is to go into a fucking ravine. stick to the town, everyone's annoying there. << or why jooz are avowed urbanites.
ThickAsThieves: i do believe there is a certain phenomenon about hating your own traits in other people
xmj: and i think mp is my hidden evil twin that's why we hate each other so much.
thestringpuller: very mp-esque thought process there
xmj: ThickAsThieves: Moving from Sigma to Alpha is realizing that the current social systems suck, that you can do better, and that you will do so by disruption.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you make a commitment to a house that exceeds the commitment you make to the woman in question. seems a bad equity play. << it's a terrible equity play. but plebs don't think in terms of +ev, only in the emotional "nao"
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sigma | Member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Incorporated. Founded January 9, 1914 on the campus of Howard University in Washington, DC by the most honorabl...
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 117.28 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.24 TH/s
thestringpuller: there is always a maternal component to a field
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: nope
mod6: ima reset this bot, got a fix for the pools output
mod6: yeah, ever since the last diff change
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: you know "the boss"
ThickAsThieves: xmj, but what is not clear is whether that is a good thing
xmj: ThickAsThieves: in 2014 there is overall consensus gender and sex are not forcibly equivalent
ThickAsThieves: the war on gender identity
pete_dushenski: in this fairy tale, a real man would therefore be one who is good at dishes and cooking?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: <decimation> 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth' << fucking bril << mhm.
pete_dushenski: in my mind, it's sorta the mark of a real woman.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: decimation there used to be this thing that you're not a real woman if you give good head << missing a "don't" ?
kakobrekla: jurov the idea is that if you dont understand the interface, you wont understand the bet and translating bets in generally a bad idea.
thestringpuller: ;;ud with the stamps on em
assbot: Metropolis (1927 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: will have to watch that next!
pete_dushenski: mod6: perhaps the whole story won't be there in all its intricate detail, but the costume and set design in the 1935 version are truly splendid and well worth the squeeze
pete_dushenski: the 1935 version was pretty epic
mod6: the 2012 film was meh
pete_dushenski: there are almost as many films of tolstoy's classic as interpretations.
pete_dushenski: anyone else read anna karenina? or seen one of the film adaptations?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: quebec was if memory serves 50.5 - 49.5 << ayup. pretty much each and every time they gave it a go
bounce: anyway. ``Netropolitan Is Facebook For The Rich, Only A $9000 Fee To Join'' -- gotta be reeech to fall for that
jurov: put there something like "тенто сайт на хуй, исполизоват bitbet.US"
kakobrekla: that is cached locally with them
jurov: ah i see. i was thinking the popup was on fromtpage
jurov: kakobrekla: shoulda make the alert in russian, too. and last i checked it did not work
kakobrekla: bitbet.su updated their page
chetty: mircea_popescu, that is a whole nother issue, especially since old folks are useless and irrelevant
mircea_popescu: chetty moreover, old folks are in a better position to understand the futility of change anyway.
diana_coman: ThickAsThieves it was pretty much like a competition (football match) so they are excited their "team" won
mircea_popescu: i fully expect to see old people hanged for the fault of being old in my lifetime.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones normally society has these natural mechanisms to let pressure get out, all involving violence. the english speaking world has been uncannily successful at pluging all of them.
los_pantalones: didn't want to lose their health benefits
chetty: well even staying there are getting more autonomy, no?
ThickAsThieves: to be fair though, i think the same shenanigans are what got us all the major bubbles too
ThickAsThieves: so shady exchanges can just manipulate and the rest follow
ThickAsThieves: i think this is at least partly people subscribing to the whole China does mega% of btc volume lie
mircea_popescu: the advantage of multi layered security : you get to know what the would-be attacker knows and what he doesn't.
mircea_popescu: (no, i didn't change it. i don't change passwords when a third party says so. i change them when i change them.)
ThickAsThieves: the other day i was imagining that the freenode password reset recommendation they gave was actually nickserv being honeypotted and needing to slurp up passwords
mircea_popescu: dude these scammorz...
ThickAsThieves: for starters, how do you sell bitcoin the day before and manage to get that cash into your stock account for todday?
gribble: The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes, and 52 seconds
assbot: Why The Bitcoin Price Dropped Today – Bitcoin Magazine
Duffer1: almost there
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/19/ncaa-football-its-week-4-already/
BingoBoingo: Oh the Darien!
asciilifeform: anyone who is bedevilled by the question of where amerikanische dept of vaterlandische seekoority is gonna get ten thousand 'terroristes' to hang - that's where.
asciilifeform: a 'gulch' or 'compound' or whateverthefuck the turdmeister of the day calls it - doubly so if pitched with fanfare to the drooling hordes - is an elementary honeypot, whether deliberately built as such or not.
mircea_popescu: it's incredible just how homologously stupid these derps are.
mircea_popescu: by the book bitcoin "unintentional" scam this thing.
mircea_popescu: And so I decided that since I was already roped into this by association I had two choices. To stop promoting GGC and go public with the reasons why I was uncomfortable or to continue to promote it and hope it works. I chose the latter and very quickly money began flooding into the project and I began to think that maybe this would all work out and maybe Ken really knew what he was doing."
mircea_popescu: done and that GGC would have no problem pre-selling the lots to pay for the land. He also told me that he had negotiated a deal in such a way that even if the full payment can't be made in time that we could extend it.
mircea_popescu: "Since I had already brought in thousands of leads to GGC throughout 2012 and the start of 2013 and Ken had begun to market this new property that GGC didn't even own I was very distressed. However, at the same time, the amount of interest was staggering. I knew there would be demand for a project like this but I was amazed how much interest there was. Ken again told me that this is just how these type of deals are
mircea_popescu: the dollar vigilante scam ring *
mircea_popescu: basically the dollar vigilante thing is going to be prosecuted for fraud next year.