mircea_popescu: "here's a lithmus test on "good ideas": if it were applied to you, would you still think it's a good idea? in other words: if you can't imagine yourself as the vendor, maybe it's time to drop the good idea stuff, too?"
mircea_popescu: "I wish people would get more interested in _knowing_ the world they want to change. I can't keep lecturing obnoxious morons forever just because they have these wild-eyed desires that they think can be accomodated if they start a revolution or something."
mircea_popescu: o yeah. you were simply required to not alter the headcount.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> hire doppelganger, walk out << incidentally, you know they did this in the times of the good soldier svjek ?
mircea_popescu: business partners with the usg, god help us. what will fiction produce next, the harem of wolves, flying to the moon on own farts, mind boggles.
mircea_popescu: it's not marriage, it's not a love affair. it's an exercise in destroying everything whatsoever and mocking the rest.
mircea_popescu: it's called business, what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: in short : ditch this mentality where the other party matters, in any sense, and make a sport out of rubbing its hopes, aspirations and legitimate expectations into the dirt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and what the fuck are you doing owning companies in own name anyway
mircea_popescu: and what's more, the argentine govt doesn't have like 5 bn in usd cash, nor does it have a horrid starvation of talent.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of my jobs is indeed a company i co-own - but the only customer is usg, and the office is required to be within a few km of a particular institute.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what the fuck are you doing working without a company anyway, and why is it not registered in gibraltar or w/e the fuck they do
chetty: there was that guy recently, worked for the epa I think, claimed he was also cia and just took off for months whenever he wanted
mircea_popescu: no fucking body traveled to sit on a rfc comission unless they really wanted to visit a gf or something
chetty: hmm most of the standards groups at that time met on phone ...
asciilifeform: at that time, naggum was sitting in standards groups and eventually became indirectly responsible for the atrocity of 'xml' (he authored the 'sgml' standard, its grandparent)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ?
asciilifeform: so naggum was dragged into the courts, eventually escaped with his life but not particularly much money
chetty: well thats kinda what I meant about counting ALL the tax. The property 'owner' pays tax and passes it along in your 'rent' amount and so forth
asciilifeform: chetty: likewise, there are many unofficial collectors of 'tax' here (which is to say, not actual tax, but other unavoidable wealth extraction like rent that conveniently zaps every penny of your surplus)
mircea_popescu: yeah, the us is a different system. it doesn't have mega natural wealth to prop itself, so it works as a "buffettlying to prevent the children of the middleclass pushing him out" system
asciilifeform: chetty: the us is quite the same, except that here they add insult to injury by letting the fattest kulaks escape all taxation rather easily
mircea_popescu: the politico leeches sucking that fiddy cents for nothing are trilled
mircea_popescu: their deal is, "we have all this oil, we will spend the proceeds on welfare, in exchange we also take everyone's money"
asciilifeform: (seems like norway has, or at least had at the time, a confiscatory tax scheme where you lose essentially 100 percent after a certain point.)
asciilifeform: here's what i recall (any other delvers in naggum archive, feel free to correct)
mircea_popescu: well then dunno.
mircea_popescu: well, amateur in the "this is what i think the law should be" school of amateurship, or amateur in the "trying to figure out what this thing is" school of amateurship ?
mircea_popescu: the cleanest way to represent the legal tradition, as well as the legal implementation of that tradition in any extant sovereign of the fiat, geographical, obsolete kind,
mircea_popescu: i have little faith the man was actually apt to follow the legal intricacies, which altogether require a different mind than one which wilfully chose lisp over say basic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform course, that's his off the cuff interpretation of what happened.
mircea_popescu: So the easy question to ask is this: Are you trying to figure out whether to change? Or trying to figure out which change to make? << good point. first category needs to hire a manager, not talk to salesmen.
mircea_popescu: not the sorts of jobs one can do and remain in possession of his wits.
mircea_popescu: same thing with cops. people don't like the psychopatholgy of policemen, but then again the same "people" are lying and trying to beat down the cop two dozen times a day
mircea_popescu: "You cant simply ask someone if they have no intention of buying a Macintosh. Everybody lies, especially to salespeople." << the funny thing in there is, people generally despise SALESMEN for being lying scumbags. but, in fact, people lie to them as an article of faith, and in sheer volume necessarily exceed anything the salesman could push out.
asciilifeform: '...the Norwegian government, which for a few years decided to tax me based on what I should have been _able_ to earn, and therefore _probably_ earned without reporting to them, so I should pay taxes on it, plus penalties for lying to them...'
mircea_popescu: "They werent interested in finding out whether Macintosh would be useful for them: They were interested in being able to say to the world that they have an open mind and researched all the possibilities, but somehow, somehow, they finished up back where they started, using the same damn thing that everyone else is using."
mircea_popescu: but it starts looking badly if they somehow manage to stay.
mircea_popescu: hey, nobody's fault they were born among imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing more shameful than being a good usian.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129896583995790@naggum.no.html << naggum & the tax men
mircea_popescu: this is what the idiotic us puritan obsession with propriety has gotten. this. it's a scourge upon humanity and a shameful macula of untold disgrace.
mircea_popescu: "What they really meant was, Nobody ever got fired for buying a Windows Box."
mircea_popescu: Would these people buy a Macintosh? No. But they would take up a lot of our time asking What is the benefit of Mac? Why is it superior to Windows? Explain why we should I buy one for each employee. And no matter how interested they seemed, and no matter what we said or did, they would weigh their options
and then buy a Windows computer."
mircea_popescu: "In those days, nobody bought Macintoshes. But strangely, our office was besieged by people wanting us to demonstrate the Macintosh and its nifty features.
mircea_popescu: http://braythwayt.com/2013/11/27/herd-thither-me-hither.html < not a bad read this.
TheNewDeal: Catching up on the logs. nubbins`, want to try your hand at a Kent State shirt ? http://www.people.com/article/urban-outfitters-kent-state-sweatshirt
mircea_popescu: i'll readily contend that naggum is a sufficient, if by no means the only good reason to dismantle any statal revenue service.
mircea_popescu: if turing is a good (and in fact the only) good reason to dismantle the statally organised repression of gayness
mircea_popescu: "He ran in to some very serious problems that poisoned his existence for many years, and made him lose faith in humans. These problems (I wont go into details, let sleeping dogs lie) would have agonized anyone, but most people would, in time, have come to terms with lifes injustice and cruelty." << asciilifeform what, was the guy in jail or something ?
thestringpuller: i think the end they made a business on letting his wife get fucked by millionaires but I'm fuzzy
mircea_popescu: maybe because you don't wanna sleep in the bed where all the random bacteria off random cocks collect and pool.
thestringpuller: there is a movie about that.
thestringpuller: what if you don't care about that and just the money?
mircea_popescu: because they'll make it shitty.
thestringpuller: why make the movie yourself when someone will pay you to make it for you
bounce: to the point that as soon as the mouse threatens to go out of copyright, copyright gets extended
mircea_popescu: donald is one of the very few well managed franchises.
mircea_popescu: my money is on the latter really.
bounce: could have to do with the demographic, where teen memory is slightly longer than pre-teen memory so they (feel they) need regular reboots to capture the demographic or something. could also have to do with the writers not being on a short enough leash. dunno really.
mircea_popescu: http://perpelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/iberkeley-liten.jpg <<< asciilifeform dunno if that's naggum or not, but i gotta say that'd be the prototype for the romanian "fata de-mpins vagoane", ie, railcart pushing face
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ?// you mean libtards? I dun have to be in it to be sick of it
bounce: http://www.shortpacked.com/2005/comic/book-1-brings-back-the-80s/01-just-a-toy-store/im-batman/
mircea_popescu: well either as it works out lol
mircea_popescu: bounce well to be honest (and i've unstudiously avoided both for two decades or more), they're all the same one thing, and so the classics have been badly reimplemented by the us pulp industry many times, and they keep rebooting it
xmj: thestringpuller: interesting question
bounce doesn't really want to know but can't help but wonder what the top reboot count is, and which series.
bounce: (says me, having studiously avoided both for the last couple of years, as much as possible anyway)
mircea_popescu: chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ?
chetty is totally sick and tired of the girls vs. boys crap
mircea_popescu: thoroughly debunked argument tho. http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spiderwomans_ass
chetty: well if girls got actual armor they might play more :P
mircea_popescu: so the girls build their girlclub to support each other through puberty and dream of one day being married.
mircea_popescu: this is like junior high courtyard bs. the girls get upset that the boys ignore them so they complain. which the boys ignore, because the girls stink and are stupid and who wants to be involved with one.
mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised they noticed and even care.
thestringpuller: it's just funny to me that even "gamers" are sick of the feminist...
mircea_popescu: i could be him, if i ever deign to write for forbes, which seems unlikely unless i buy it and then it'll be Popescu
thestringpuller: What it boils down to is many people feeling upset that the video game space has been so heavily politicized with a left-leaning, feminist-driven slant," he said.
decimation: yeah they want $50 per month http://www.hacdc.org/membership/ << they have scanning electron microscope now apparently
asciilifeform: incidentally, the ruined church where 'hack-dc' met also hosted a 'clojure' society. after attending a few meetings and trying to actually put the system to use, i ended up writing... well, that post.
asciilifeform: afaik these started out as banal 'communal workshop' arrangements
decimation: it seems the hype for those things outstrips the actual usefulness - usefulness defined as meeting actual people working on interesting ideas
decimation: asciilifeform: did you ever show up at the dc 'maker space'?
assbot: Cobbs at Chopt: Why does the salad chain call so many different things a "cobb"?
decimation: asciilifeform: you could eat at 'chopt' like yglesias: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/12/14/cobbs_at_chopt_why_does_the_salad_chain_call_so_many_different_things_a.html
asciilifeform: when i walk by that thing, hard to escape the feeling that my 'ratfacecage' is waiting there, in the cellars somewhere.
assbot: J. Edgar Hoover Building - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover_Building "A list compiled by Trippy.com and Reuters declared the J. Edgar Hoover Building the world's ugliest building, and found it to be a "dreary 1970s behemoth".[60] Los Angeles Times travel writer Christopher Reynolds remarked that the Hoover building is "so ugly, local historians say, that it scared authorities into setting higher standards for pedestrian friendliness among buildings
decimation: as I recall the fbi headquarters is a block away from the theater where lincoln was murdered
decimation: I wonder how those fbi employees feel about being seen as meat for consumption by the local political elite
decimation: but they got 11,000 'federal jobs' so everyone wants
asciilifeform: the moat (yes, moat) has tiles, like a public toilet. and hose spigots (wash blood away, nice)
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asciilifeform: when you walk by the j.e.hoover bldg, overwhelming sensation that its 'lid' (upper part of photo) is closing in on you
asciilifeform: turned out that planned new location already has a cia gulag in the cellar.
decimation: I thought they were going to get rid of that
asciilifeform: decimation: nothing beats the fbi headquarters for pure ugly in d.c.
mircea_popescu: which they can't sell because well, argentina.
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decimation: here is another ugly building in washington, dc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelsat_headquarters
asciilifeform can only explain ibm in argentina one way - they hope the nazis will come out of cryostasis there, and like up to buy gasenwagenkalkulators
decimation: i bet they will sell you a power5 turd too
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mircea_popescu: wait you meant ibm or brother ?
asciilifeform: what do they offer? system/360 ?
mircea_popescu: heck, brother has an outlet store here
mircea_popescu: ibm actually has a nice building down here. my lawyer rents a floor from them
asciilifeform: no one saw it fit to drive a stake through their hearts quite yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'On January 31, 2009, Bauman reported that ZVUE fired him and the rest of the staff and replaced them with a new team. Furthermore, Bauman claimed ZVUE are falsely using his name in connection with new material, making it look as if Bauman is still employed...' (pediwikia)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that you feel the love and understanding of a bunch of similar mouthbreathers ?
mats_cd03: its only free if you are kia iirc. otherwise, its... 700usd? lol.
ben_vulpes: anyways, there's "art" and cute undercontracted ladies parading around tonight. adieu!
mircea_popescu: dank's ideal home is the us.
asciilifeform: some people, for instance, sign up just to get their teeth done.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: laugh, but this is actually one of the attractions.
mircea_popescu: the us is a horrid place to hire.
ben_vulpes: and didn't we already do the aerosol/vaporizing thing?
asciilifeform: aside from the grudgewank involving dealerships
asciilifeform: quite like the cigarette firms trying to have the electric aerosol smoking machines banned in usa.
asciilifeform: the sheer amount of stereotypical 'fud' about this poor car - is atounding.
ben_vulpes: musk made some interesting claims about battery safety behavior in the presence of overheating during the Boeing fire saga.
asciilifeform: in the 'heart/liver' way.
asciilifeform: overheat and internal short typically go together.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose the cell merely overheats.
asciilifeform: explosive collar which launches user's head (wearing a 'pickelhaube' of course) at the enemy.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: delivered head << when i first learned the fact about heads, my thought was that there ought to be a 'head cannon' weapon
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asciilifeform: presumably the cells are meant to be spaced in such a way that one, if internal short, does not ignite neighbour.
asciilifeform: mentioned in the captions.
mircea_popescu: ie, cut it off, let the rest work
mircea_popescu: wire around the cell in question
mircea_popescu: but im curious wtf happens if one of the cells goes to shit and starts heating. turn off whole battery ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and the algorithm you described is precisely what i did. only gotcha is - the machine at present isn't running true.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah turns out the 'advanced' battery pack is just a pile of standard lithium batteries wired in strings << i have no idea what's so advanced about it, basically the whole car is powered offa one of those 4.5 volt things discussed here previously
mircea_popescu: lol the many things asciilifeform is not
mats_cd03: for those that don't know -- suicide vests tend to make head pop off, mostly intact, and land in the vicinity of explosion.
mats_cd03: re: sr gonzalez - imagine if he had a special vest on, rather than a knife.
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decimation: lol https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/reform-white-house-access-and-grant-comprehensive-executive-amnesty-residency-migrant-omar-j/q8xjkLqj "We urge President Obama to immediately and publicly recognize that Mr. Omar J. Gonzalez, an oppressed migrant, was merely looking for a better life when he entered the White House after going over the classist, divisive and needless fence."
ben_vulpes: mind you i had no hand in the actual design or most of the fab outside of the cutting of pieces to dimension (and the insisting upon of dimensioned pieces for cutting)
ben_vulpes: would never pass muster in any of the design or fabrication classes that i've taken, but i'll be surprised if it doesn't move from shack to shack for at least half a decade.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
decimation: I'm not sure if the guy did a schematic, would be helpful
decimation: yeah turns out the 'advanced' battery pack is just a pile of standard lithium batteries wired in strings
ben_vulpes: well, a face, and then rotate 180 setting the piece down on the spacers again before clamping to get the machine to define your planes of perpendicularity.
ben_vulpes: in that situation you mill one face flat on top of your spacers or whatever they're called (i've forgotten), mill the opposite face parallel, clamp in a vise and then mill the remaining important face perpendicular to either of the two previous
ben_vulpes: thing about machining and code is that a pro is always going to tell you a number of ways to make it look better without materially improving the thing
asciilifeform: still screwing around trying to make the machine run true.
ben_vulpes: kinda funny that your fingerprint's in focus but the millmarks not though
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: picked on you given as you're the only actual machinist i'm even distantly familiar with
asciilifeform: the critical values are: dimensional. (marked on linked picture.)
asciilifeform: they are typically powered by a constant-current circuit, so even the rated voltage is not a critical value.
asciilifeform: stepper is an item that normally either works (turns D degrees per electric cycle) or does not (skips beat, because overloaded, underpowered, etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the actual impedance of a stepper almost never matters
mircea_popescu: how do they make this thing, in a hammer mill ?
asciilifeform: (along with any other genuine machinist around)
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's iphone does things with the milkman ?!
asciilifeform: so does the dustman.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mike_c: " If for some reason I do decide to use any of the existing graphic components, a quick search on Google for 'clipart of man holding clipboard' and 'blue wiggly line for no apparent reason' should suffice." lol
assbot: "Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D. You probably don't even know how to do them."
asciilifeform finally washed off the aluminum swarf and black oil.
mike_c: send complaints to btcalpha design department. they deserve it. http://i.imgur.com/SIOI7Wx.png
mike_c: i made one yesterday. it sucked, so i need to make another one.
mircea_popescu: mike_c hey, you never made a banner for the analysis page ?
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/#comment-107974 << guess who answered.
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ben_vulpes: new p.o., thestringpuller
assbot: Introduction to the fourth dimension
mircea_popescu: that's the drawback to bullshit advertising talk
jurov: giving a power transistor to each cell? i see it's easier to match them
jurov: did they claim to do it individually?
mircea_popescu: decimation wait, so the tesla bmc actually can't charge/discharge the cells individually
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw you still hold solar panels cost more energy to make than they produce ?
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-africa-or-exploration-in-the-idiocy-of-the-crowd/
mircea_popescu: jurov always the negativist. think, the problem of splitting the pie! always a np problem!
mircea_popescu: i definitely love going in old blogs comment sections to fish for these sorts of gems
devthedev: "If problems of the planet have an exponential growth, solutions need to have a higher exponential growth."
mircea_popescu: pretend the world is a huge rave
jurov: re: base e floats: they are a bitch to add or increase/decrease by 1
mircea_popescu: there's 8 most important videos ?
assbot: The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See (part 1 of 8) - YouTube
fluffypony: 38 on the richter scale
BlueMeanie4: does everyone have a gimmick these days?
mircea_popescu: "Possibilitarian, #Cryptocurrency enthusiast & student of philosophy. I hope to make the world better than I found it. Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: im surprised nobody came up with the don knuth is satoshi knack yet.
mircea_popescu: just funny the way he came back later with it :p
asciilifeform: herr euler did the math, why would he have to.
mircea_popescu: not that it's not the same number.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unless you do trig. then it needs pi
mircea_popescu: decimation no, but they ARE 8 digits worth of 2/7
asciilifeform: student exercise. prove that the minimally-braindamaged implementation of hardware finite-precision floating point requires a base of 'e'.
asciilifeform: decimation: halfway on the road to african method - sit in a tub of own shit and call it a 'computer'
mircea_popescu: decimation honestly, filling the register ain't buggy.
asciilifeform: chuck some metal into a lathe, try cutting too deep.
mircea_popescu: no, cause the no play is not a computer, it's a wife./
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can only put 00000007 and 00000002 in the registers, and the result will be 28571428 and an overflow bit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: symbolic maths packages traditionally err on the side of irreducibility
decimation: depends on the cpu, but you aren't going to get '7/2'
asciilifeform: what is the answer represented?
asciilifeform: think this way. i take a cpu (your choice, which) and put '7' in a register, and '2' in another, and demand that division happen.
decimation: in theory, if maxima can do it in software, it could be done with automa at a lower level in silicon
mircea_popescu: in a computer the output of "abc" is "abc' rather than whatever windows may spit out with a bad charset or w/e
asciilifeform: but in a 'rational tower', the output of 'sqrt(2)' is 'sqrt(2)'.
mircea_popescu: quite. the ring of integers and + -
asciilifeform: 'rational' has literal mathematical meaning here
mircea_popescu: and i'll venture a guess that more computer insecurity was caused by this than any other one thing
decimation: yeah, multiplicative noise in analog computers is the bane of rf designers
asciilifeform: but can't use an actual analogue circuit, because the output is non-deterministic or because noise ends up multiplicative due to the nature of the ops
decimation: in practice the design space is restricted, just like all phones are iphones now
decimation: in theory silicon could be masked into any arbitrary design
mircea_popescu: back then people hadn't figured what the pc is, so they just bolted some capitalistic crap to the sides
decimation: it's an example of ascii's fair-weather 10 foot altitude airplane
decimation: yeah there's no reason why the cpu shouldn't support arbitrary precision arithmetic, even if it takes a lower-level state machine to emulate
decimation: mircea_popescu: the bane of numerical analysis students?
asciilifeform: 'where possible' is answer to decimation's pointing out that you cannot, say, carry out multiplication on integers and 'ieee'-style floats on the same physical circuit with any degree of efficiency.
mircea_popescu: i didn't like the "were possible" part. either always, in which case it's a calculator, or forget it.