mod6: < BitOTTer460> >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 142.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s [p2p Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
RagnarDanneskjol: mod6 - you don't need anything besides the IP addr, correct?
RagnarDanneskjol: he's going to publish the source for it shortly
BingoBoingo: mod6: What does it take to add a pool to the bot?
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 95.29 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.77 TH/s
ben_vulpes: one man's incompetence another's malice.
BingoBoingo: Because if you stare at their dispatch in disgust you might accidentally read it.
BingoBoingo: peterl: They do that to grab your attention
assbot: Absolute OpenBSD, 2nd Edition: UNIX for the Practical Paranoid - Michael W. Lucas - Google Books
BingoBoingo: I'm digging for some. Here's a discussion that hit on some of the points http://openbsd.7691.n7.nabble.com/State-of-multiprocessing-and-multithreading-in-OpenBSD-td99419.html
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, maybe not that old. The thing is OpenBSD's multiprocessor handling is different than other people's really interesting subject.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: re:existing infrastructure << I think openbsd refuses to support multiple cpus << Come on they have a kernel that plays nice with multiprocessors
decimation: kakobrekla: I think I would rather own slovenia
bounce: IIRC you can do that yourself with gribble. also group the nick with nickserv
kakobrekla: alibaba is supposedly worth as much as all the properties in slovenia.
ben_vulpes: <mp_sails> if i actually sailed myself i'd prolly sink the whole show << daw it ain't that hard
ben_vulpes: JuliaTourianski_: why'd you keep the underscore?
BingoBoingo: strpfndr: No, don't particular care to recieve it either.
strpfndr: (on the same subject we had discussed)
strpfndr: ohhh, maybe I do :) Did I send you the application I'd sent to Breakout Labs?
mp_sails: (flail is imblaciu in ro, the process a imblaci. it's such an obscure word pretty much only medieval tool specialists evne know it)
mp_sails: i collect those. once broke the will to live of a young girl teaching english at uni
mp_sails: bounce, i remember the shock and awe when i noticed gwbasic can produce bytecode
ThickAsThieves: is enky's blog in the b-a blogroll?
bounce: needed quite the fsckton of tools to compile. TASM, MASM, BCC, whatever else. various versions even, they apparently weren't great at keeping a lid on the requirements mess.
bounce: this was drdos (5? with 4dos of course), so probably something slightly different again. did look at, but IIRC didn't keep a copy of the drdos 7 source when it got released.
mp_sails: except the non-dos version had some bugs ruined some hdds
bounce: oh the days of walking through (live) memory with a self-written memory dumper, or trawling the disk with whatwasit, norton or undelete, to see what old crap I'd deleted months ago
mp_sails proud user of the museum paradigm.
mp_sails: asciilifeform, i'm the one they laugh at for "ux", whike they get owned with shitty riuby/java/what have you
asciilifeform: mp_sails: just here in this channel, you'll turn up at least two, perhaps three people who, as boys, understood virtually the entire 'ms-dos' say.
mp_sails: ben_vulpes: "these hypothetical children are guests of our children, obviously. Our progeny will have refined palettes before they can hold a crayon." << o boy are you in for a crude soulraep.
asciilifeform: incidentally, for the practical&immediate folks, i recommend study of f. bellard's 'tinycc'.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mp_sails: for the practical and immediate - BingoBoingo's approach. (curate a museum)
asciilifeform: mp_sails: on account of becoming ever more reluctant to put it to the torch
asciilifeform: mp_sails: investing in existing infrastructure, paradoxically, makes us all the more fucked - imho
mp_sails: ie, consumer group pressure power : either get your chips assbot-certified or don't sell to us.
bounce: unless you'd go for the obvious but inconvenient route of signing everything in a specific commit
mp_sails: asciilifeform, at the very least this is better than nothing. at the very best this goes all the way to chips.
bounce: chinesely interesting figuring out how to do that without exploding the store
mp_sails: bounce, every line of code bears the signature of all the people who read it and certify it's fine.
mp_sails: that was the worst youtube experience ever mthreat. 3 seconds sound, 10 seconds buffering ftw.
mp_sails: and the next chair on that pile is, proper github. ie, github with read wot.
asciilifeform: mp_sails: not merely huge workload. journey to the moon on stacked chairs - unless done correctly - i.e. bonfire of the computations.
mp_sails: <kakobrekla> most often the signature and file is on same server which makes the whole thing kinda useless << i mean, wot signature.
assbot: The Spittoon - Pastebin.com
kakobrekla: most often the signature and file is on same server which makes the whole thing kinda useless
mp_sails: and verify the signature is actually correct etc.
jurov: pete, the site you linked says about linux binaries "The following links direct you to external sites and those may provide old and possible very outdated versions of GnuPG."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: but the command line operations only recognize .txt files, neh?
mp_sails: The20YearIRCloud, well cause im travelling
mp_sails: unless you actually read code, the compile business is a little silly.
The20YearIRCloud: mp_sails: why the name change?
The20YearIRCloud: The promise to pay for all the Ohio plants is pretty simple, if you can obtain credit they'll extend payment over summer months, but quite a few can't qualify for it
The20YearIRCloud: Ohio has a freeze deal where if it's below freezing they won't shut it off till it thaws out, then they shut it off
mp_sails: can't cu tpower if it's cold. or hot. or if the deadbeat has a doctor's note. or makes a promise to pay
The20YearIRCloud: mp_sails: looking real quick at what places do it, it seems NY and CA do that, but i can certify that in Ohio, they cut your power
asciilifeform: see also the 'housing in siliconvalley' thread.
asciilifeform: looking at cost of medicinal whatever in usaschwitz without considering the automatic, inevitable effect of the giant moneybag - is like studying corpse with magnifying glass to search for cause of death, ignoring twenty bullet holes
mp_sails: if you think you just cut power to the deadbeats and that's it you're living a dream.
mp_sails: they have to spend $1k to install fancy stuff so nonpayers can be "limited", it's a whole shitshow
The20YearIRCloud: Power plant isn't also required to give free electricity out. They can cut people off
mp_sails: but you know what ? power plants are also expenmsive, and the staff qualified. yet the kwh is not $850
mp_sails: which is about where igt is. i mean yeah sure the equipment is expensive and the staff has ot be qualified.
The20YearIRCloud: $2,500. The independent clinics that did MRIs and a few other small things ranged from $149 to the very highest at $279
The20YearIRCloud: In Columbus, a group got together and called every single hospital, and every single MRI clinic and got the price for their MRI scans. The average hospital (Which is highly regulated, takes government money, is required by law to provide everyone with medical care regardless of whether they can pay and so on) ran from a minimum of $1600 to a maximum of
The20YearIRCloud: But, you don't have to go to a hospital to get one, you can go to a healthcare clinic that isn't attached to any government program, isn't required to pay any government fees and the like, and they magically cost $149, using newer machines
The20YearIRCloud: But, when you go to a 'hospital' and get a MRI, they're $1k-$2.5k
The20YearIRCloud: There's a MRI comparison. What's interesting though is that MRIs are one of the few healthcare things that aren't strictly regulated in the US
assbot: Why an MRI costs $1,080 in America and $280 in France - The Washington Post
mp_sails: insanely expensive when compared to the e80 a cab would take, but not the $18k or whatever insanity
The20YearIRCloud: In Miami when you pay for an emergency apendectomy, you're paying for an apendectomy for yourself and 3 other people
mp_sails: The20YearIRCloud, maybe 6x ?
mp_sails: if i actually sailed myself i'd prolly sink the whole show
The20YearIRCloud: What's the difference in cost?
mp_sails: The20YearIRCloud, the most obvious display of this being if you compare say an emergency apendectomy in lyons and miami
jborkl: ok, thank you I have been busy fixing all the ssl crap and forgot about everything else
The20YearIRCloud: After 1964 you also see dozens, if not hundreds of large-scale laws dealing with the medical industry, when prior there were few if any laws regarding healthcare in the US
mp_sails: asciilifeform, southern hemisphere is not that well illuminated anyway
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Lock apprears. Also, maybe update the BFL thing again...
The20YearIRCloud: IT was a part of Johnson's plan of buying all the poor people votes in the US by pushing through medicare/medicaid
mp_sails: doctors or farmers, whatever they be
The20YearIRCloud: The doctors?
mp_sails: tbh it'd be mjuch more sensible to jjust shoot everyone and keep these guys than the other way around.
mp_sails: ben_vulpes, pretty much half or more of the young professional, 10-20mn people are in this position
ben_vulpes: <mp_sails> mats_cd03, look into the crazed effects on the lower middle class, where people who could afford insurance before can't anymore, too. because htey're now not poor enough to be poor and not rich enough to be rich. << true story. i can't really afford the shit now.
mp_sails: mthreat, for because the navigational reason.
jurov: The20YearIRCloud as i see it from here, the US doctors first decided they must control healthcare
mp_sails: i can't believe after all these years satellite is still this shitty.
The20YearIRCloud: because the 'poor man' couldn't afford healthcare, which back then was 1/3rd the cost of what it was even factoring in inflation
The20YearIRCloud: Insurance is a complicated mess in the US, it all started back when the govt first decided they should control healthcare
bounce: now you need DHMO to wash the evil CTCP out of your macbook
asciilifeform: when i ask people, 'what would happen to the price of cars if usg gave you 10k usd every time you bought one?' - they grasp it.
pete_dushenski: JuliaTourianski_: i think you missed the "how" … :P
mp_sails: well yeah i guess there is that.
asciilifeform: prior relationship - sure. other things?
mp_sails: as in, they can't give a better life policy to the guy who owns a shipping line they insure than to random clerk walking in off street.
mp_sails: asciilifeform, im not entirely sure how all the intricacies work but if memory serves they were actually legally barred from considering prior commercial relationship
mp_sails: this was many years ago. not sure they even offer it sanymore.
bounce: well, there's good advice. get your US insurance at lloyd's
mp_sails: (on the grounds that they did cover say a boat once, and behaved as an insurer as opposed to what passes for such in the us)
asciilifeform: mp_sails: a story about buying insurance, to be truly educational, has to involve... actually invoking the policy.
mp_sails: like the bridge that fell into the river. once done falling, it's ready to be inaugurated.
mp_sails: bounce, no, but by now nothing is failing spectacularly further, so the propaganda machine is gearing up to counting it as a success.
mp_sails: for instance : when i visited the us, i got insurance for pretty much everything except electives.
asciilifeform: mp_sails: demand-side subsidies are a ratchet - who wants to be the first to have a repeal apply to him, and starve...
asciilifeform: mp_sails: actually, prior to herr obama, they could afford insurance (actual insurance against, e.g., sudden injury) but not the 'insurance' that most usaschwitz inmates speak of (not an insurance at all, but a scheme where someone - usually employer - pays so that a plebe can actually get medical care of any sort, which, as result, is not affordable in any other way)
assbot: AnandTech | The SSD Anthology: Understanding SSDs and New Drives from OCZ - Print View
mp_sails: mats_cd03, look into the crazed effects on the lower middle class, where people who could afford insurance before can't anymore, too. because htey're now not poor enough to be poor and not rich enough to be rich.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: your explanation has more than sufficed for the time being, ty :)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'write leveling' is a method of delaying this inevitable death - and there are several ways of doing it. if interested, read up on the subject, it isn't a military secret.
mp_sails: and then a year later had 10k or so signups a month.
mp_sails: mats_cd03, easy to convince you now : the obamacare website was offline for months after it supposedly launched,
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: an ssd isn't as effective at writing and reading? then from where do they derive their speed benefits?
mp_sails: a) it has not helped a lot of poor and b) all the unhelped poor that were fine before are suddenly "unnacounted" for.
mp_sails: mats_cd03: on the other hand, obamacare has and will heal a lot of poor << obamacare is sort-of like that thing where they destroy a neighbourhood, build a huge condo complex and give five activist "poor" people free housing.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: some of it is done by the internal micro of the device, but given as the latter is not filesystem-aware (at least one should hope not) - it isn't as effective as os-driven massage.
mp_sails: olil3olli3, dude srsly stop with the join spam
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mp_sails: xanthyos, http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/ << you're not.
pete_dushenski: speaking of laptops, til that the macbook air's ssd is of a mystery brand until you personally crack open the unibody case and look inside
assbot: Obama Extends His YouTube War - The New Yorker
assbot: Chelsea Manning Sues U.S. Over Hormone Therapy Denial - Bloomberg
pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-23/chelsea-manning-sues-u-s-over-hormone-therapy-denial.html
BingoBoingo: I believe the traditional adultrant for that purpose is annatto
ben_vulpes: "these hypothetical children are guests of our children, obviously. Our progeny will have refined palettes before they can hold a crayon."
ben_vulpes: "I bet yams would make it even oranger. God, imagine the foodie irony such children present: I will make a roasted vegetable bechamel cheese sauce to appease your desire for processed American food products"
ben_vulpes: from the girl: "A cool thing I discovered is that squash makes the bechamel almost kraft colored, so if we ever have children who refuse to eat white mac n cheese, I can TRICK THEM"
ThickAsThieves: the bitcoin partnership is pretty limited
ThickAsThieves: hence why I closed all my shorts and such over the weekend :)
Duffer1: i agree, but it's a rather small touch
ThickAsThieves: the signifigance is it's actually PayPal touching btc
TomServo: That's what I was thinking. I'd rather see some FOIA results.
Duffer1: ah so that's why the rally
ThickAsThieves: "...to accept the cryptocurrency for digital goods like online games and downloadable songs. It’s a second baby step for the payments giant toward full Bitcoin adoption ..."
ThickAsThieves: "PayPal has announced partnerships with the three largest payment processors in the bitcoin space – BitPay, Coinbase and GoCoin."
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 4966 @ 0.00074975 15600 @ 0.00075110 6797 @ 0.00075257 21815 @ 0.00075384
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 20124 @ 0.00074846 9350 @ 0.00074835 12900 @ 0.00074768 6558 @ 0.00074692
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot I want to see the look on bfl_josh's face.
mats_cd03: on the one hand, potus is killing brown people and oppressing white people
xmj: guntha_: there's plugins to auto identify you once nickserv asks for it
kakobrekla: the thing is, if you dont identify in time, it will lock you out for some time
Guest26284: -NickServ- You are now identified for.... and then im still guest
kakobrekla: the cast took a break
Namworld: Eh, it's dead time of the day isn't it?
assbot: Analysis of the bathroom mystery. - Imgur
bounce: your search keyword of the day: "netiquette"
bounce: just like "-- " indicates the start of the signature, and a good mail client won't quote that. there's very few good mail clients in wide use these days.
assbot: Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages) - Naggum cll archive
bounce: "> " is the typical quote indicator, though it gets replaced or simply represented differently at times.
bounce: 72 cols fixed pitch is the standing assumption
bounce: aol started the deluge
thestringpuller: lol AOL is the one who introduced HTML mail?
bounce has a serious problem taking people seriously if they do stupid stuff like send html for no reason, or top-post, or any number of boneheaded things that the aol generation does with gay abandon
CheckDavid: Oh. So that's the deal?
mircea_popescu: they don't make any decisions.
mircea_popescu: sure, you can talk to the under 30 crowd on html email.
mircea_popescu: if you imagine they all moved to google because google, you're new here.
mircea_popescu: most people doing anything worth the mention have been using email since before 2000.
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: thanks for the input. In your perspective is there any value in HTML emails?
pete_dushenski: "Up for grabs are 2 bitcoins hidden in 30 different brainwallets. Search for clues in the RushWallet Fundraiser video to unlock each wallet and claim the bitcoins. "
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla were the algos ever published ?
mircea_popescu: also, as previously announced, the extra 2mn S.BBET shares were distributed to owners.
kakobrekla: the funny thing is - its not much off :)
kakobrekla: note that this was more of a fun play rather anything else
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: if i say "b-a cannucks" i create one group, if i say " pete_dushenski, nubbins, [...]" i create a group with the same members, but through a different method, which makes it in fact a different group for this conversation.
pete_dushenski: you're right, i did, and now i'm exploiting the escape hatch in my own reasoning
mircea_popescu: only if you call the object through THAT constructor.
pete_dushenski: ancestors can be individuals who spawned further individuals
mircea_popescu: but you identified them as a group not as individuals.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ancestors need not be a group or identify themselves as part of one
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: if no change, then it depends on how useful holding descendants accountable is. < no, i'm with him. this makes exactly zero sense, chiefly because a group may be ridiculous, impractical, suicidal, anything you wish, but never wrong. only individuals can be wrong, in that they don't subscribe to the moral scheme of some group they intend to be part of. ther
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little. << on the moolah
mircea_popescu wonders if the SEC, ever so careful with these things, is yet investigating the underhanded practices of matt barrie &co
mircea_popescu: "Join the Freelancer Shareholder Foundation Program and get a discount on WSO listing fees"
mircea_popescu: jurov: CheckDavid send him to verious btc conferences. At least you'll get rid of him for a time. << i like how practical jurov is. yeah, best move there.
Azelphur: his family lives just around the corner from me
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid: Sincerely don't know. << nobody EVER liked html email. and there's a pretty good argument that it's completely a tech misapplication, like the cigarette lighter oven.
mircea_popescu: kinda well known psychology, this, hence the memory effect and all that.
mircea_popescu: the human brain doesn't handle exceptions well
mircea_popescu: too much cognitive dissonance to handle, 500 idiots keep telling them how special they are then mp says stfu and crochet.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: haha, over the years I've learned you're generally right about these things :P
mircea_popescu: but hey, kids know better and i am just hating their genius.
Azelphur: but nah, I agree he was a terrible businessman, but then nobody should have put him in a business position anyway, he's a programmer
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's it, i am a master of the written ford.
mircea_popescu: i am a master of the written worm.
mircea_popescu: punkman darknedgy ?! they're seriously running out.
pete_dushenski: JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it. << this is gold
Azelphur: I always feel like the only person who actually likes him
pete_dushenski: lol russian bathhouse? thought she was in the 52nd state
mircea_popescu: also wow, she's still connected off a freenode instance ? what the fuck industrial strength internet they have down at the russian bathhouse!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform thank you for recommending "the sultans" !
pete_dushenski: this lends itself to continuity, stability, and other "good things" imo
pete_dushenski: so while "rarely anyone does" in the post 19th century west, most other times and places take their ancestors quite seriously
pete_dushenski: if they're dead, we can choose to ignore their actions and pretend like tabula rasas are possible
pete_dushenski: jurov: it's surely easier if they're alive
pete_dushenski: the roots being quite deep.
jurov: we can actually hold our forefathers accountable but rarely anyone does
pete_dushenski: but in this specific instance, it's not clear that either has changed.
pete_dushenski: and surely whether or not they hold "the other" accountable for the actions of their forefathers
jurov: not them
pete_dushenski: jurov: is that USA or "not them" ?
pete_dushenski: if no change, then it depends on how useful holding descendants accountable is.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there? << sorta depends, did "the people" meaningfully change since their ancestors? do they still tie up their shoes the same way? still read the same books? time doesn't necessitate change.
pete_dushenski: http://contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/#comment-20249 << and i'm the self-absorbed prick ;)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ahjahaha what ? pete meets a neonazi ? lmao. << gotta stir the pot, y'know?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
CheckDavid: jurov: the capital of stone soup is in my country lol
jurov: in other words, you're cooking stone soup
CheckDavid: Oh. I definitely will communicate interesting job offers to anyone interested. But now I am on a phase of building a base of employers in the bitcoin community
jurov: perhaps something will pique my interest. and there are more such people in this chan
jurov: dude there are few people seeking gigs. no need to be obtuse
CheckDavid: jurov: I can. I am gauging for the demand bitcoin businesses have for certain professionals. Depending on each business needs, I will send an personalized email accounting for their vacancies
jurov: you know, I got lots of spam about "IBM jobs offers". your offer will end up in the trash promptly together with them
CheckDavid: jurov: that's masterful social engineering. But is there.more than just getting rid of him? Lol
CheckDavid: Buy my manager is the fancy time
mats_cd03: whats there to think about
CheckDavid: I wanted to ask what you guys think about B2B email communications in the bitcoin industry
Vexual: check the cigarello
midnightmagic: BingoBoingo: what happens there? why isn't the guy running for 1st? is that one of those auto-outs..?
gribble: genjix was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 50 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 59 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <genjix> nefario is legit. for sure there is a reasonable explanation and everyone will get their bitcoins back. i trust the guy.
xmj: asciilifeform: work drink is when your boss forces you to have wine or beer during lunch, then watches how you work in the afternoon and fires your lazy ass in the evening.
Vexual: don't ask that, hes the boss