mircea_popescu: "Die Antwoord (pronounced [di'ɑnt.ʋoːrt], translation: "The Answer") is a South African rap-rave group formed in Cape Town in 2008."
fluffypony: but in doing so they mostly come across as "meh" instead of shocking
fluffypony: they just take tidbits and snippets of red-neck society and then blow it completely out of proportion to try and make it "shocking"
nubbins`: chetty, there's a die antwoord song featuring a xhosa guy talking about circumcision
kakobrekla: will that keep me off the list btw?
kakobrekla: its prolly the fact i cant code
jurov: but the phrase is from assbot's fortune file?
assbot: Logged on 29-09-2014 18:16:19; assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
gribble: Neil Young - The Round Stones Beneath The Earth (Dead Man ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kQk8fborG4>; Dead Man Script - Drew's Script-O-Rama: <http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/d/dead-man-script-transcript-jarmusch.html>; The Round Stones Beneath the Earth... — Neil Young — Last.fm: <http://www.last.fm/music/Neil+Young/_/The+Round+Stones+Beneath+the+Earth...>
asciilifeform: ;;google round stones beneath the earth
asciilifeform: the film - depends if you go in for that kind of film
mircea_popescu: me either.
kakobrekla never watched lord of the rings
mircea_popescu: since you're doing that might as well go the whole nine yards
moldysnizz: Well, I have a shit-ton of reading now. Thanks for the info.
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
asciilifeform: or is this another 'basic stamp' where 'pr0gr4m w1th0ut pr0gr4mm1ng like a l33t ch1xx0r' affair ?
punkman: and the "community"
asciilifeform: ide << what's in there? sdcc?
asciilifeform: i never really grasped the appeal
kakobrekla: theres hundredths of versions and editions
kakobrekla: asciilifeform basically yea. you also have the arm editions in same package.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they're 'atmel'-something-or-others with a bunch of convenient plugs, yeah?
asciilifeform not sure how item in question could have been confused for 'arduino' - other than in both being small electrical gizmos
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-witch-hunt/
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2014 17:19:21; asciilifeform: incidentally, my first exposure to the problem of RNGs with inadequate entropy was by accident, at uni
mircea_popescu: THESE INSULTS!!!1
TheNewDeal: Makes me remember the markov chain trilema
TheNewDeal: It was mostly a joke, on the topic of rand() ya know
jurov: not you, TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: there is method to this random!
moldysnizz: *goes to the site*
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mircea_popescu: why must the format be bulky and impossible ? can't we do this ?
justusranvier: Maybe one of these days you could get on a Hangout with us for a Q&A.
justusranvier: Instead of just teaching classes to the people who show up in person it spreads the reach a bit
justusranvier: So now they'll be put on YouTube
mircea_popescu: Michael Goldstein presentats a tutorial on GPG contracts and the #bitcoin-otc web of trust. < that ?
ThickAsThieves: lol now Intuit gave the 1yr dev subscription...
mircea_popescu: ;;rate PeterL 1 Guy fucked up his glbse assets 3 years ago. This is a fact. That fact may be explained as a smart guy failing in a soup of idiots, and the optimist in me is inclined towards it.
assbot: My coworkers made me use Mac OS 9 for their (and your) amusement | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/my-coworkers-made-me-use-mac-os-9-for-their-and-your-amusement
chetty: been a few years since I did that sort of stuff but back then giving up and hiring a company was best move I made
ThickAsThieves: i learned by doing and it took a couple years to clean up the mess
chetty: all the assorted tax filings and stuff are real time eaters
ThickAsThieves: it does make it easy, but at the risk of not knowing wtf to do if you have a problem and no accounting support
chetty: ben_vulpes, if you have employees where you have to do withholding and stuff, hire an outfit, cheaper in the long run
ben_vulpes: another guy says to just use quickbooks payroll
ben_vulpes: their hamburger menu illustration is hilarious
ThickAsThieves: "The machines being tested were collectively hashing at a rate of 12 terrahashes per second (TH/s). At that time, this comprised approximately 3 percent of the hash rate of the entire bitcoin network."
ThickAsThieves: "Specifically, the testimony of several former employees and Vice President of Product Development Josh Zerlan shows that instead of fulfilling orders immediately, Defendants used their customers’ machines to mine Bitcoins for themselves before shipping the now-used machines to their customers."
mats_cd03: 03:06:03 decimation:before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked <<there's a 2013 model? whats the difference with 2012?
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes nah, i just fucked around with the db while moving ass.
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mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol well how are you going to put the hash in a block retroactively ?
RagnarDanneskjol: sapr ad but more easily recoverable]. we'll presume the date record of keys published is unreliable/unavail/innacurate [including classifieds which could fall into all 3 categories] and placing aside the single use pair being vulnerable to forger obtaining historical key pairs in advance.
RagnarDanneskjol: are there any time-bending' methods for proving a doc [notarized electronically*] is not added[forged] to db AFTER some point in time? like a 'carbondated' irrefutable binary marker [or tensor more like]. for instance, unique single use keypair for each new calendar day thats signed by [or a hash of] some other newly generated 'time-dependent' keypair + 'something else'[ie classified new
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what if someone doesn't sign "heartbleed introduction" then no one is accountable and system is moot
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no. girls aren't required to fuck anyone and yet they're well terrified of not doing a good job in bed.
mircea_popescu: there's no permission to be had or sought. this is free software.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own. << why ?
ben_vulpes: in 20 years, a bitcoin implementation may be software people's "masterpiece" work - eg the piece of work that grants one the title of "master" in the field.
asciilifeform: (example not necessarily applicable to given domain, but specifically of folks taking actual responsibility for their actions)
ben_vulpes: what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2014 20:08:25; asciilifeform: one calls out recipe steps; one actually tightens the bolt, whatever; one - verifies. then they all sign.
mircea_popescu: s anathema.
ben_vulpes: i'm demonstrating the range of what's possible, not what i'd do.
ben_vulpes: now in the tag, you include a message: "this signed tag is my stamp upon the whole and entirety of the codebase".
mircea_popescu: "all i did was the space guise" psshhhh
mircea_popescu: well up to the signer what he signs.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes basically the practica application would be, once X bug is found, grep for the code and whenever you find it in something someone signed, tear them a new one.
ben_vulpes: sure, i made a change to openssl, and i stand behind it. that should not be taken to be an endorsement of the project.
mircea_popescu: if that's what you're trying to do, it's not anathema, it's the right thing. if it's not what you're trying to do it's still not anathema, just, you're misguidedly using the tools
ben_vulpes: that's why the signatory of the commit can only be held responsible for changes introduced in that commit.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but see, if what you mean to say is "signing actual commits may be taking on more responsibility than you realise", why say "anathema" ?
ben_vulpes: also i don't really know that git affords for you signing my hash and including it in the repository, from a technical perspective.
ben_vulpes: and multiple people providing input into what precisely should be done. however, the buck must stop with the signer of the commit.
ben_vulpes: the commit is "here is a diff of thing before i started work today, and thing after i finished this feature." it may include tests, changes to other miscellaneous stuff. it should exist (in my opinion, i may be wrong and might need to be argued out of this) as a statement that "i did this work". this clearly gets hazy when you've got multiple eyes on a screen.
ben_vulpes: why not encrypt messages to bitcoin private keys? it works, what's the problem?
ben_vulpes: tux might nota been a party to the crime, but it happened under his watch.
asciilifeform: why commits shouldn't be PGP signed... leaks keys << sorta like the idea that one shouldn't blow nose - leaks brains. yes, given some misconfigurations of the body - this can actually happen.
mircea_popescu: well if you're reg'd why doesn't the down take
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mircea_popescu: guy had a month, ended up cramming most of it after the 20th or something ?
gribble: molokodesk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <MolokoDesk> yeah, there's a pending item stuck in the queue because it missed (probably) it's block.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me, the ba deeds registrar thing will be a not-so-bad way to distribute source.
nanotube: also, were there usd input/outputs? or just btc?
mircea_popescu: which one of the leaked versions of which particular breach ?
mircea_popescu: yeah because co-conspirator testimony is like the be all end all of truthsources.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: sure, except it wasn't the entire thing? it was a particular date range, plus as i recall not all transactions?
Luke-Jr: that stuff, the police have access to
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure they do o.o
mircea_popescu: nanotube you mean that thing that was stolen off their servers 5x ?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: they do
mircea_popescu: holy shit, that takes the cake.
mircea_popescu: but the very notion that "the police"'d have some sort of priviledged access to information...
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: "news articles" was the topic
ben_vulpes: not that any of them are written by a key i know anyways.
mircea_popescu: just because the idiots you normally shill at can't read japanese doesn't mean you actually get to propose nonsense in here as fact.
mircea_popescu: but that aside : that's the definition of "investigating" : they dion;t know who did what
mircea_popescu: no, they don't.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck dorkhead do you have to be to believe sssomething like that. "o the police said this guy isn't involved". how'd they know and why'd they say that.
mircea_popescu: no they didn't lol.
ben_vulpes: he was still at the helm.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Never, one judge commented that there wasn't enough in front of him at the time to revoke Sonny's parole, far from an endorsement
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Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: did the feds at some point say BFL was legit?
ben_vulpes: well, you've got fifteen minutes, Luke-Jr. make the best of 'em.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL? << the notion that "the police" has "the information" is such lmao.
nanotube: Luke-Jr: not implying culpability, simply that i wouldn't trade with him given all the stuff hanging over his head
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Well, BFL has only very recently been shutdown and taken into recievership for merely doing what they've been doing for their entire run.
ben_vulpes: <Luke-Jr> mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots? << a large number of them. do we not hear of linus routinely reaming people for idiocy?
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL?
mircea_popescu: xanthyos> appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores << maybe you need a new reddit ?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots?
Luke-Jr: police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: conspiracy theories being people saying Mark did it, with no evidence
ben_vulpes: yes, the entirely honest and upright japanese police.
mircea_popescu: <dub> thestringpuller: this is actually why the wot is broken << nah. if you know who people are you know what to discount. if you don't know, you can't use their ratings anyway.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> aaaaah dig nanotube's rating of magicaltux << i don't think he ever revisits them or anytrhing
Luke-Jr: thestringpuller: yeah, I'm not a big fan of rebasing, but that's how the git culture works :/
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: nano just updated a few ratings
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: it would be trivial for Con to take my commits and reauthor them with his own signature, for example
ben_vulpes: the other arguments i've heard is a) weakens "importance" of signatures and b) leaks keys
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: IIRC it was related to signing implying you have audited the complete state of the code, not just the diff
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company << 1 mn BITCOIN. get it straight.,
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: I can't find it now, but the Linux kernel used to have a writeup why commits shouldn't be PGP signed
thestringpuller: you still feel the same about MagicalTux? ;)
xanthyos: someone i know on tinychat is trying to dump btc to me at spot. i hope i don't come out looking like a fool. that's more of a worry than the money loss at this point: appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores
nanotube haunts thestringpuller ooooOOOOO
ben_vulpes: until i see commits (ideally signed, but i don't think people were into that sort of thing back then) it's all hot air as far as i can tell
Diablo-D3: theres a reason why ck denied some of your patches
Diablo-D3: the signal to noise ratio in this channel went to shit when he came in
Diablo-D3: you have to apply the patch
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: no, it requires the linux source
Diablo-D3: its bfs plus a few other patches
Luke-Jr: that's another word for fork
Diablo-D3: Luke-Jr: -ck is out for 3.16 or whatever the newest kernel is
Luke-Jr: concepts, yes, but only after someone else has to go basically rewrite them
Diablo-D3: if he was hard to work with, I wouldnt have been friends with him for the last decade
Diablo-D3: he wanted the hardware on hand to actually test changes
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Luke-Jr: BFGMiner = cgminer-the-GPU-miner + FPGA and ASIC support
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Diablo-D3: not anymore they dont
ben_vulpes: i know danielpbarron vaguely, i know Luke-Jr vaguely, i know how to weight their ratings
Diablo-D3: the only people who "lost" were those who idiotically paniced
dub: sure, just not to the people who bought at IPO
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Diablo-D3: but yeah, the whole DMC thing was hilarious
Diablo-D3: thestringpuller: no
thestringpuller: did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company that would be the end all to mining datacenters?
decimation: it seems like it is a hell of alot better than the shit berners-lee put out
asciilifeform: hard to say who invented. but who used to greatest effect, earliest - yes, them.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol. Yeah when I saw demos of genera, I thought "wait, did they invent hypertext too"?
asciilifeform: i should like to find a buyer for these. before it's too late (and then i ask them to be brought to my peine forte et dure.)
asciilifeform: and yes, technically these are all hypertext-accessible (yes, possibly first instance of hypertext used industrially) in og. but paper is nice.
asciilifeform: decimation: opengenera vm << goes great with a set of these: http://imgur.com/nR6mErg
asciilifeform: decimation: others have, if i recall, carried out this exercise. it isn't considerably more interesting than running the emulator.
asciilifeform: decimation: i'm not really enamored of the cadr as such
decimation: asciilifeform: have you taken the CADR verilog design published by Mr. Parker and run them on your own chip?
decimation: he was probably in some air conditioned bunker "in the field"
asciilifeform: when this kind of thing comes up, for some reason all i can think of is a fellow who worked in a lab across the hall from my old place of work - who fessed up to playing 'call of duty: iraq' while... in iraq
decimation: in fact the evidence we have is that they have tried to merge with usg since it became thinkable
asciilifeform: no escape << what evidence they ever tried to 'escape'
asciilifeform: as if it is possible to have independent existence from usg while being 'the #1 xxx' in u.s. media organs ever.
decimation: it rings the bell labeled "no escape" for all to hear in us-land
Diablo-D3: in the end, I am right
Diablo-D3: and nuked all the bfl threads
Diablo-D3: that they're a scam
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ben_vulpes: they still go for a decent markup in ars
decimation: At an electronics market in central Beijing, one retailer was recently selling the low-end iPhone 6 and 6 Plus for 6,500 renminbi to 8,800 renminbi ($1,060 to $1,436), down from 12,000 renminbi to 15,000 renminbi ($1,960 to $2,450) just after the release.
mircea_popescu: what the shit obscure bug is this one ;/
mircea_popescu: run 12 instances of curl off a huge file with awk 'NR%12==n only to discover that the fucking thing keeps blocking itself.
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decimation: they exist, just not being marketed by sexy
mircea_popescu: TomServo> Where are all the phones with hardware keyboards, is what I'd like to know. << africa and my vaults.
mircea_popescu: there's going to be little as amusing as "security practices" of the 2010s freeranged interderp.
ben_vulpes: the sellnow nicks have already paraded through
decimation: I was sad when I found you couldn't just edit in text, you need to use the 'colorforth' gui tool
decimation: ben_vulpes: I downloaded and played with some of the arrayforth devkit stuff
ben_vulpes: (succ being something along the lines of "next enum, plz")
decimation: you can still find them new old stock
ben_vulpes: my father sent me out with his startac when i was a wee one, for 'supervision'.
TomServo: Where are all the phones with hardware keyboards, is what I'd like to know.
ben_vulpes: the only people happy with androids are those with the budget to replace them every 8 months
ben_vulpes: apple's done a decent job on the software jailing, so the phone operating system doesn't rot quite as quickly as its counterparts, so they're forced to release new "operating systems" that consume ever more resources.
ben_vulpes: the android platform does a magical job of implementing software-accelerated phone aging.
ben_vulpes: well she's on the right track. have you seen technical incompetents try to use android phones?
decimation: imagine if ios/osx/windows had a new release that was smaller than the previous turd
ben_vulpes: don't try to leave the cage.
Diablo-D3: for the $2/mo option
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: they expect you to use icloud for it independently of the make backup thing in itunes
Diablo-D3: so, out of the box, your phone is broken
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: I mean, thats even the bigger fucking problem
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: because the phone tried to backup to 5gb of storage
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: the icloud storage was filled almost completely with an incomplete backup
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: no, tried through the itunes usb shit too
Diablo-D3: ben_vulpes: best for display just selects the correct scaled for retina
Diablo-D3: to fix THEIR bugs
ben_vulpes: the displays system preference gives one two radio buttons:
Diablo-D3: and theres only about 12.3gb of usable storage on said 16gb phone
ben_vulpes: other amazing apple stuff
Diablo-D3: and they sold 16gb phones
Diablo-D3: and the fact you need 4.7gb of free storage on a 5c to upgrade to ios8
asciilifeform: if you want a pocket-sized apparatus to read, say, email, you're more or less stuck choosing whether to live in 'singapore' (apple) or 'liberia' ('android')
Diablo-D3: they're infuriatingly complex
Diablo-D3: I went from having 0 experience with iphones to fixing them