thickasthieves: i can tget over these stupid Frank & Oak ads
assbot: Dissociated press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thickasthieves: call it rooters then
kakobrekla: it turns out you can just print them
thickasthieves: there's a news.wtf
cazalla: punkman, i was being facetious, from memory trilema recommends domain with first 2 letters unique to other sites one visits
decimation: someone should apply for the .coin tld
hanbot: heathen!
punkman: cazalla: or you could have neither bit or coin, you know something different
thickasthieves: call it The Biz
cazalla: most importantly, do i name the site prefixcoin.com, coinsuffix.com or perhaps even bitsuffix.com
TheNewDeal: dimsler, despite the disagreement on who are Enlightment thinkers, this video has been six sigmas above the average quality of youtube content
thickasthieves: they called it "american chop suey" in my elementary school
asciilifeform: so it's really a proxy word, like 'mikado' (door to throne room) in japan, or 'the crown' in english world
decimation: as I recall assbot was down when the conversation I recall happened - or I could be wrong
thickasthieves: just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :)
mircea_popescu: amusingly, gulag references are very sparse in the year before stan showed up
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. /// seems like these things never last though, the talent scatters so quickly these days. i'm into the idea though
mircea_popescu: o there we go. ty asciilifeform
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2014 10:46:38; mircea_popescu: well... the gulag wasn't avoidable, not practically.
decimation: you wrote about how those who went to the gulag were volunteers (or volunteered) by people who wanted to be somebodies
mircea_popescu: decimation im sure i still have them, somewhere. i dun recall this discussion tho.
decimation: mircea made some good points on this subject but I think the logs were lost
decimation: in pratice, anyone who was 'volunteered' to go to the gulag by someone who wanted to 'prove' how powerful they were
mircea_popescu: the term means to pose a threat to the delusions of sovereignity of one less powerful.
Dimsler: the term means to sabotage a political insititue
decimation: "wrecker", but hearkening back to RSFSR penal codes that allow anyone to be jailed because they were found to be thwarting the great leader's plans
decimation: "Other concerns he and others have raised relate to the lack of whistleblower protections in the new laws, which jail those who "recklessly" disclose intelligence information. That would include journalists, bloggers or officials, who could be jailed for 10 years"
Dimsler: if you bother to listen to it
Dimsler: those are provided for you in the actual discussion
decimation: its choice is to either renig or go broke, it's that simple
mircea_popescu: and there's no court in the world that can absolve it through a bankruptcy. whether they try to run one or not. kinda the fundamental reason it ended.
decimation: yes, the evidence for that statement is quite strong
mircea_popescu: decimation all that really matters is that the us has underwritten liabilities that exceed its ability to pay.
decimation: it's safe to say that usg has a present liability of at least all assets in the entire world, possibly more
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Coinfire is this site that was promising for a week and a half then turned full derp
decimation: but it's also impossible to account for the dollar at all
decimation: I've looked into the numbers and it is pretty much impossible to verify that total
BingoBoingo: Also LibreSSL update for the interested http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-libressl.html
decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion
BingoBoingo: Like the Chefs/Cooks problems that makes most people's restaurant dreams fail
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I'd be up for some story authoring, contributing to the cause. The too many chefs problem isn't about having too many people so much as a shitty heirarchy.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski what are you doing these days ?
kakobrekla: go ahead and try then
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo to add salt to the cuts you can do a weekly roundup and mock their unpublishable shit.
cazalla: that would be enough to get it off the ground until it has traction
mircea_popescu: you can just exploit the current idiots. read and rewrite coindesk and co.
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mircea_popescu: but tim gotta tim all over the tim.
mircea_popescu: his attempts are so naive and idiotic it pains. definitely sunk the modicum of credibility he had amassed within two weeks.
mircea_popescu: it's been going to shit ever since the guy ran out of his 6 months of time and "had to make revenue"
mircea_popescu: with the same stupid head that then generated that entire "taking full responsibility" fiasco.
mircea_popescu: the guy that was here for five minutes but then concluded he has better things to do
mircea_popescu: and none of the fucktarded retardation of that guy what's his name, the wanna-be competition for coindesk and co,
TheNewDeal: where is the btc onion? I would like a link
mircea_popescu: an arrington is what's needed in this space. and by god this is the chance for someone like that to become something like that.
BingoBoingo wonders where a managing editor might be found. Experience with this seems to be the scarce piece.
kakobrekla: i think the question 'who are you writing for' is in place
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the average reader'd be interested in where his butthole is, if he could strain his brain enough to learn he even has one.
kakobrekla: mostly only people who already know the real story are interested in it, not your avg reader
mircea_popescu: it wasn't so bad back when the bitpay & co set of scammers that had stolen bitcoin magazine were still hoping that brand's not now dead,
mircea_popescu: it's a shithole of the first degree, and it only continues to exist because everyone's like... meh, whatever, ragazines.
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dqrmx/coindesk_is_deleting_comments_that_question_the/ for that matter.
mircea_popescu: only reason anyone's speaking to them is because of this false perception of "leadership"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i looked elsewhere but it seems he spoke to them about it
mircea_popescu: "The standard model is to require two out of three keys to spend from a balance of those keys, one goes to the user, one to the service (exchange or wallet) provider and another to a trusted third party." << how the fuck is this going to help anything for crying out loud
mircea_popescu: Multi-sig addresses, he wrote are the only viable solution for securing bitcoins. <<< pushing this shit incredibly hard are we.
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dub: Vexual: no shit, always a good idea to carry $.25m on your person where the locals would gut you for a bowl of rice
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 17:12:58; ThickAsThieves: well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins
Vexual: "first time in bali?" is always like the first or second question
Vexual: and how having another key on that fat wallet migth have brought more misfortune
ben_vulpes: is there a lunar eclipse wherever you live and you can get out of the coffin out of schedule?
ben_vulpes: wow what the fuck is wrong with you Vexual
Vexual: i don't think multisig is the sultion to his error
JuliaTourianski: this happened in washington at the meetup...
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Namworld: Regarding dragonflies... When doing canoe/kayak on a river and being pestered by large black flies. It's fun to watch dragonflies sweep in and catch the flies in flight.
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mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/
BingoBoingo: Next you know Obama's going to be having a good laught about the two dragonflies that fucked on your head while you were sleeping tomorrow night
BingoBoingo: Has the dragonfly been captured to check for tampering?
jurov: and then rbounce
peterl_: that was quick, usually you let them play longer
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mircea_popescu: dub mostly because the govt's been changing. back in the 50s, most of what it said actually was close enough
AMDCeleron: i love the name assbot
xanthyos: dmt is illegal and it exists in the pineal gland of every brain
xanthyos: it wouldn't be as nice but it would do the trick
mircea_popescu: dude this "solutions" bullshit. everyone and their "solution". you can't buy a fucking corkscrew, it's gotta be a bottle opening solution
thickasthieves: just make the thing a weed
thickasthieves: i always wanted to get an asston of pot seeds and go johnny appleseed across the nation
xanthyos: what about a "what illegal things can we get to grow on the whitehouse lawn" sport
dub: is this becoming a sport? how far can you make it into the wh
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/29/white_house_intruder_ran_past_door_over_secret_service_agent_into_east_room.html
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dub: solid TA there
mircea_popescu: getting ACTUAL dollars, ie, reducing your external debt, ios a whole different story from shuffling bezzlars among the branches of state / various state owned entreprises in a ridiculous but doomed attempt to simulate a working economy
mircea_popescu: but bitpay gotta stick with the old ring of scammers because why not.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker << mostly because everyone else had more sense than to be involved.
mats_cd03: 17:42:24 <+jborkl_> is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? << 26-09-2014 21:31:23 <mircea_popescu> ;;unrate jborkl_
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? << Telling people their websites are broken
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what's the reason that payment this week is considerably less than previous ones?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well their previous archeology experiment was DOS... Also 7.X series supports color.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, no serious bloat or otherwise objectionable item was introduced between 7 and 9 (unless you really hate colour display)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 << 9 is the end of that line, wtf would you want with 7
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jborkl_: thank you for the up BingoBoingo
jborkl_: wtf is up with assbot, shithead
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Interesting write up. I do wonder though why they picked OS 9 and not... 7
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The20YearIRCloud: I'm the only guy i know that bought into silver that hasn't lost a good deal of money into it
thestringpuller: ah the 90's
mircea_popescu: the future of payments is here.
Dimsler: pretty sure the only people taking jones seirously are low brow hicks
xanthyos: when idiots speak confidently, it's hard to resist their charm. that's why jehovah's witnesses visit in pairs
Dimsler: the two biggest idiots
xanthyos: i got all my information from keiser's call-ins to the alex jones show, so i guess i deserved to lose
asciilifeform also remembers thinking 'doesn't kodak corp. have most of the supply, not jpm'
xanthyos: i was one of the idiots who bought silver at 29 and held it even when it spiked to 48
xanthyos: russell brand used to have a radio show 10 years ago full of revolutionary antistatist ideas. then he started getting work for cbs and disney and got quiet
xanthyos: i don't even track the prices of any alts
Duffer1: how's maxcoin doing these days btw? :P
thestringpuller: another ghost graces us with her presence :P
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu then whytf is he PMing me asking for voice?!
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, an excellent example of why so called "strict liability" and the rule of law can not coexist.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases. << goes neatly with the
PeterL: could agent walk into my lab and say "You have benzyl chloride, acetonitrile and methylamine, therfore intent to manufacture methamphetamine"?
asciilifeform: PeterL: normally they use 'child porn' to create a 'lettre de cachet' rather than gun.
asciilifeform: 'loyal servant of the crown says he found this under your bed.'
asciilifeform: in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases.
asciilifeform: any 'strict liability offence' carries with it - this theorem
asciilifeform: PeterL: inspector walks in with the 17-inch barrel, and says 'you are also guilty of falsifying records, since your records do not show that you made this'
asciilifeform: 'then illegal'
asciilifeform: this is roughly the situation with organic chemistry in usa, and has been for many years
asciilifeform: in fact, this logically applies to anyone known to own the required tools for manufacturing illegal widgets
asciilifeform: they can force you to do or say absolutely anything - say, borrow your wife, or whatnot.
asciilifeform: since law is whatever they say it is, and they can trot out whatever piece of hardware and say it came from your conveyor,
asciilifeform: just seems like you're at the total mercy of the crown, if you're a legal (registered) small-arms whatever-business.
The20YearIRCloud: where they forced a gun store to sell guns to a known cartel member, or otherwise they'd throw all the people in jail. Then said cartel guy kills quite a few with said gun.
Duffer1: forces can trick you into breaking the law with impunity
The20YearIRCloud: law says it's on them, although it could be done, ala gunwalker
asciilifeform: but what if your refuse to break the laws, and inspector helpfully buys your 18 and cuts it in his office.
asciilifeform: that's tame compared to the gedankenexperiment. ordinary 'entrapment.'
The20YearIRCloud: becuase that's what happened. A ATF agent got a guy to cut a inch off a shotgun in exchange for $200, then started a whole ordeal over it
The20YearIRCloud: Read up on the story of Ruby ridge to find what happens over that inch asciilifeform
asciilifeform: inspector: 'libelling a loyal servant of the crown. extra jail points!'
The20YearIRCloud: SIG very recently put out a few hundred thousand items that the ATF decided they didn't like, and they were essentially impossible to recall, so ATF sued them, and SIG won the lawsuit
asciilifeform: no, think about the hypothetical. inspector walks in with 17 inch barrel, says 'you made this. now to jail.'
The20YearIRCloud: If it's 17" , the law says you can just weld a piece of scrap metal to it that's 1" long and make it get to the minimum length
The20YearIRCloud: Well, most firearm firms that have a worry about the legality might send a copy or a blueprint to the ATF to get certification
asciilifeform: let's say you manufacture, e.g., shotguns. then inspector walks in, with a piece inscribed with your logo, 17" long.
The20YearIRCloud: Because if they would allow it, it would bring on a severe wave of 'i improperly used your product to hurt someone, so i'm gonna sue' which happend a ton in the early 90s
punkman: nubbins`: did you get like 10 sms messages from them?
The20YearIRCloud: The uS passed a law a while ago that made it quite hard to sue a gun maker
The20YearIRCloud: So with an AK/AR it's the reciever, on something like a glock it's the frame/grip.
The20YearIRCloud: And then, the 'firearm' as far as the USG and ATF are concerned is the part that contains the serial number
The20YearIRCloud: Manufacturing firearms isn't illegal anyhwere in the US outside of California and NY whom have additional restrictions. The federal deal is that it has to comply with all local laws, and if you intent to sell it, they require your information to be on it.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah mostly
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: (ianal!) but recently i was told that it is, apparently, still legal to cut your own 'receiver' in usa - so long as you write your name on it.
The20YearIRCloud: Doesn't Romania still use stamped AK recievers? I know all the ones we get here in the US are paper thin
asciilifeform: but is there even one asic vendor that didn't mine with customer-paid chips before shipping ?
thickasthieves: though they never took customer money w/o shipping
thickasthieves: asicminer did technically IPO before they had a thing
thickasthieves: ah maybe them
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, q for the aficionados: is there any mining hw vendor that is innocent of the scam 'bfl' is known to have carried out ?
asciilifeform: the 'eldest son' trick would work on almost any small arm
Dimsler: the ak is pretty decent for back fires
asciilifeform: ^ where the ubiquitous image of 'kalash that fires backwards' came from
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asciilifeform: not in the face << obligatory:
mircea_popescu: Dimsler not an expert, but prolly the 70s.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform also 'not in the face' ?
Dimsler: probably the best one vs an original russian one
nubbins`: thickasthieves: you obviously grew up in the age of varying-case fonts
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how they ended up in america - who knows!
mircea_popescu: moved to the m16-inspired vietnam 5.56, in 1980, but decided to make own gun
asciilifeform: another fellow who pulls out a visually-similar apparatus - what can you say about his.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: try to understand the idea. your particular unit, which you unpack, (optionally) study under microscope, replace various parts (optionally) with old stock, etc. - you can vouch for the properties of.
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asciilifeform: what were they? kalash clones ?
mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants
asciilifeform: let's rephrase. why, in just about any army in the world, soldier must carry and care for his own rifle?
Dimsler: thestringpuller, quit trolling
asciilifeform: i believe thestringpuller is asking for a known impossibility - a mechanical angel.
Dimsler: honestly there still a certain level of trust
asciilifeform: this is the #1 most asked question
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get the logic in your last two
asciilifeform: if you have concerns about supply chain - there is no choice, assuming you wish to use device, other than to examine your particular unit.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you have concerns about solidity of design - you will have to study the published specs (upcoming) before considering purchasing device.
thestringpuller: how do people know the cardano came from you asciilifeform and mircea_popescu 's "good lab" in the first place?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: or that you have not replaced firmware with your own, that spits out a predestined set of keys cyclically ever time zap is thrown ?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: how does your counterparty know that your cardano behaves as printed on the tin, and is not a substitute of identical appearance which you built in evil lab ?
thestringpuller: to delete them
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: how do you (operator of device) intend to prove to your counterparty that you destroyed key ?
thestringpuller: i apologize for the disarray of thoughts. a dpaste more flushed out maybe more beneficial in terms of relating the scenario
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: could the cardano be used as a blackbox key generator? for instance someone once escrow keys that are one time use, the device can sign a message utilizing these generated keys, but they are inevitably destroyed, and no one has true record of the private keys used to sign said message
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: let's have your scenario.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler what a stupid q lol. how would they enforce a limit ?
Dimsler: whats the limit to load in?
asciilifeform: i will be, for at least another ten minutes, then i go & take break from computer, cut a little aluminum
Dimsler: who the fuck is stringpuller
thestringpuller: I was just wondering if you were in the mood to take questions :P
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ideally, ask here, but if you must - pgp
Dimsler: sitting there feeding cvvs
Dimsler: once the nigerians hear about it taking cc
nubbins`: what amazes me is that they managed to insure this whole process somehow
Dimsler: whats the approval process?
nubbins`: gonna wait a few days to verify cc fees and do the same in reverse
nubbins`: o wow, just signed up for a circle account and used it for the first time
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if your question relates to design or manufacture, it is possible that i can help you
mircea_popescu: xanthyos got a problem down there ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu i have a quick question about the cardano
xanthyos: IT IS OFFICIAL. THE SOCIALIST DANIEL VITA OF LANGLEY, BRITISH COLUMBIA, HAS ELECTED TO STARVE TO DEATH.