MolokoDesk: authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data.
mircea_popescu: nothing unsound about it. it's the right way.
MolokoDesk: but the most expedient way to do it.
MolokoDesk: yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice.
punkman: guess it works then
punkman: MolokoDesk: no, unicode in the message
MolokoDesk: did I miss the spec?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk so are you making the payments extension ?
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mircea_popescu: i am the avatar of splitting.
MolokoDesk: there's a low balance message that's never been activated yet.
MolokoDesk: I do so much stuff on this VM ... my dev activities are probably the biggest risk.
MolokoDesk: if there's serious btc flow through a payment system I'd think we'd want to put this on a dedicated server instead of the virtual machine where it is now.
mircea_popescu: the place where airbnb is good :D
mircea_popescu: well he was in the link to why bitbet is bad on yc.
assbot: View the profile of jimmothy
mircea_popescu: fluffypony dude look at that jimothy guy still fightin' the good fight, one year and a half later, 2.x k posts in.
MolokoDesk: however. if you had access to the source code, which is stored outside of webspace, you'd have enough info to spend the wallet using the API.
mircea_popescu: which brings us to the nextr q : would you like to develop a payments extension for this ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well so then i'd better only send .1 or something ?
MolokoDesk: the spend address/hash is also a locus of security.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/
MolokoDesk: it doesn't matter how the BTC is spent.
MolokoDesk: yeah, we decided the wallet is disposable, all of the security is in the signatures and blockchain.
MolokoDesk: just change the API key and "secret" to spend.
MolokoDesk: so far nobody has the passphrase or keys or passwords but me.
MolokoDesk: I've always been intrigued by prediction marketplaces. The theory is that markets efficiently integrate all available information, so the price reflects some sort of best-estimate of the probability of the predicted events.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the yc bitbet thread ? where is it ? "o, let's ignore and pretend that means we can stay relevant"
MolokoDesk: running out of BTC would make it stop registering to the blockchain and the result might be one big giant deed bundle whenever that was remedied.
MolokoDesk: yeah, the program flow is sufficiently linear that it's not going to halt if something 500 server errors out at the API level.
MolokoDesk: it's likely that deedBot degrade gracefully. if any process in the chain stops things still get set up for the next bundle.
mircea_popescu: it's not mission critical, it's in the "can wait a day can't wait a week" pile.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk no i mean, the fixing.
MolokoDesk: there'd be some way to send a message to my phone or desk.
mircea_popescu: well something reasonable, nothing set. if you're in the hospital and take half a week nobody's gonna sue.
MolokoDesk: I noticed that some people responded immediately by hand to stuff I sent to their bots.
MolokoDesk: well, what's the attention span of a bot op adquate to service the trading/contract flow here?
MolokoDesk: it'd be ok with being the on-going bot op here. we'd have to work something out.
MolokoDesk: now that the architecture and methods and algorithms are worked out it should be faster to complete.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << not that counts are the end all be all, but with 500 lines in the past year, you can't be.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well sure. gribble can't be permaout of the loop :p
MolokoDesk: the logic for handing an ;;eauth challenge is already in. when it logs on and identifies to freenode it issues an ;;eauth deedBot to gribble and picks up any challenge response, decrypts the item and does the ;;everify
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/ << making it in one of these.
mircea_popescu: well it adds to central security if there's some catastrophe.
MolokoDesk: side effect is that a json digest of the assbot trust web is available.
mircea_popescu: how often do you dld the db ?
MolokoDesk: the code is much smaller.
MolokoDesk: gribble is completely out of the loop. the logic is linear no queues or state machines needed. Nothing stops if something else doesn't complete.
mircea_popescu: nanotube is your preferred avenue for people needing to frequently query the db to check relation that they ask gribble each time or that they download the backups every 15 minutes ?
MolokoDesk: oh they're kind of long.
mircea_popescu: how big are they ?
MolokoDesk: switched to using the 15 minute updated gribble database files.
mircea_popescu: didja implement the two things outstanding ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk hey how goes there ?
MolokoDesk: (you won't see deedBot in other chan without an invite or join directive)
mircea_popescu: had he not made me read that thing, i wouldn't have the tool ready for like the best reference this week.
assbot: Manufactured insecurity and the issue of control pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/ << with many thanks to asciilifeform
RagnarDanneskjol: the repors
RagnarDanneskjol: i moved to other chan w/dump command
Vexual: ya they love a droplet in prague
chetty: Just the title of that article is enough for a chuckle, imo
assbot: Scientists make droplets move on their own
punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/29/when-all-cigarette-packages-look-the-same-fewer-people-buy-them/
MolokoDesk: gribble still updates the trust database though.
MolokoDesk: yeah. gribble is out of the loop.
MolokoDesk: re-using that raw item with the %20 in it would test something.
MolokoDesk: or we could see what it does when there are no deeds.
MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this gets updated every 15 minutes 5 minutes after the mark 5,20,35,50
RagnarDanneskjol: ned to do another round of deeds now, huh
Vexual: well there you go
MolokoDesk: i used sqlite3 the other day to pillage the bitcoin-otc web of trust database files and hammer them into a brief form used by the bot. just the trust metrics indexed by KeyID for people that can use assbot.
MolokoDesk: nah, it puts files into a directory and deals with them as needed.
MolokoDesk: why'd it work the 2nd time?
MolokoDesk: yeah the gravity would be fairly low. But I think gravity between ball bearings on a lab desk has been measured.
MolokoDesk: there's at least one known asteroid with a moon.
MolokoDesk: they're gravitationally bound to each other though. the solar wind and vapor pressure would have to exceed their mutual escape velocity.
Vexual: yes the orbits change
MolokoDesk: so the orbits diverge?
MolokoDesk: two sonnets connected by in circuit emulator determinants to the algebraic group su, what't their quantum spin?
MolokoDesk: they're co-orbital though and would probably collide again.
MolokoDesk: oh the dumbell-shaped comet pair with the ice isthmus. Yeah, they could blow apart from vapor pressure or tidal forces.
Vexual: okay, if those two sommets connected by ice det too clode to su which way they spin?
MolokoDesk: the module is external, it's Tao_Jones
deedBot: the speed of light = 7.21047 × 10^13 rods per fortnight
MolokoDesk: .calc number of the beast
MolokoDesk: ;;calc number of the beast
RagnarDanneskjol: whats with those conspiracy numbers punkman, any clues - i am bad at these
Vexual: all the ladies in washington are scrabl,ing to get outta town
MolokoDesk: there's kind of a lame way to vandalize this... just keep feeding deed files from the deed registry back into it.
MolokoDesk: trying to mess with the file size limit.
deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg
MolokoDesk: .deed http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg
RagnarDanneskjol: s'ppose you could sign the git commits smartly and deed them. would like to see how it reads the hub
RagnarDanneskjol: actually - it seems to w/ http half the time.. ses vexual's youtube pastes no, mine yes
MolokoDesk: it didn't look up the http description header that time.
MolokoDesk: wondering if assbot will ignore url's without the http ... pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
MolokoDesk: gribble's claiming there's no such user for that key
RagnarDanneskjol: other one is fine lists ascii and me
MolokoDesk: let me check the trust metric on that.
MolokoDesk: the weird unicode dashes are valid?
MolokoDesk: it has unicode in the ---BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--- header
RagnarDanneskjol: all others are fine
RagnarDanneskjol: huh - first deed doesnt list one of the signers oddly
MolokoDesk: just missed the hour mark. I see it's announing null bundles.
MolokoDesk: that only has to be done once. in the future it won't have to be done at all. (make #bitcoin-assets the home channel)
RagnarDanneskjol: theres a command to sne to bot 'less you changed
MolokoDesk: (looks like assbot is the only op)
MolokoDesk: deedBot is ready for another stress test. if someone wants to /invite deedBot we can give it a go.
Vexual: i understand the concept
cazalla: have you eaten them?
Vexual: i sold some coin thru coinjar, they took twice what i staked
assbot: How the New ATO Guidance Affects CoinJar Users | CoinJar Blog
Vexual: steak then
cazalla: not so bad, missus complains he bites the titty, having teeth would make it worse
Vexual: let the sprog xhew it
cazalla: having steak and salad, gonna put some meat through the mincer so little one can have his first try of red meat
Vexual: its the fuckin rools
pete_dushenski: decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion << too low? (i usually like russ btw)
pete_dushenski: ^ because adverse effects are impossibru when you also control the stats dept
pete_dushenski: Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens, a long-term critic of so-called macroprudential policies aimed at dousing house prices, did an about-face last week, indicating for the first time that they may have a place. “It’s a worth a try,” Mr. Stevens said last week. “The worst that could happen is that it doesn’t have any effect.”
Vexual: seems veryone loves the glittert city
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" << sometimes the unbathed masses find glimmers of light shining through from under the door. most of them are happy to have any light at all, not even noticing that there's a door handle hitting them in the forehead. a few will see the door handle at all. fewer still will give it a twist... and end up here.
pete_dushenski: neither really
pete_dushenski: more to the point, assbot can't make heads or tails of twobitidiot
assbot: /hashtag/sibos2014?src=hash cliff notes: finance movers & shakers love the blockchain & /VitalikButerin; shit on /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash the currency.
pete_dushenski: ^some pretty derpy comments on the app page eg.
pete_dushenski: "The app is very good. The concept is also genius. What I don't care for are ma lot of people who aren't nice, or whose language isn't adequate to use when there are minors online. It's almost as if it needed a moderator in some of the chat rooms. Don't take me wrong p, I like the App a lot and that's why I gave it four stars."
assbot: FireChat on the App Store on iTunes
pete_dushenski: not enough people talk at the ballet
Vexual: i talk too mxch therwe too
pete_dushenski: the nutcracker!
BingoBoingo: <Vexual> imma take yo to the ballet bb << You don't need to use code words for strip club here
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you could also use the archive, it's by month/year
Vexual: imma take yo to the ballet bb
punkman: mircea_popescu: dump them in mthreat's thing so we can search
RagnarDanneskjol: at least an ebook then.
Vexual: all kinda girls devo, dont discount the romainian angle
RagnarDanneskjol: that many. I have lotta reading to do. the translations are pretty rough
RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, well it would seem worth publishing the first 1k into hardback version. yes definetly should
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol in english. there's like 5k or so in romanian
mircea_popescu: there's exactly 1006 of 'em.
RagnarDanneskjol: thats the one
Vexual: the boss is asian
Vexual: i dont eat snails either
Vexual: well theres duck
pete_dushenski: not entirely my cup of tea but if they can do escargot properly i'm sure it ain't all bad
Vexual: on the main strip
Vexual: theres a place for escargot in wooloomaloo
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you can call scraped from the pond "escargot" too
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicMealTime/videos << in case anyone here hasn't seen what american men aspire to accomplish in the kitchen
mircea_popescu: you can call stuff scraped off the sidewalk "dessert".
punkman: not sweetened or anything, why do they call it dessert
punkman: I accidentally bought a thing of "yoghurt-like dessert", they were hiding it among the real yoghurt
Vexual: the ferry will cure your ails
pete_dushenski: it's sorta like a fleshlight for the mircowave
Vexual: its like the prche bit, but more american
Vexual: somethong missing from taht version is the cadillac bit
mircea_popescu: punkman> ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then? << lawlcode :D
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants << "honey, is that a revolucion in your pocket? or..."
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt << cardanomerch is going to be as popular as sumerian urmerch. but hey, nonzero!
Vexual: extacy is called barney coz of the previous
dub: Vexual: cialis brother, valium, viaaaaaggar
punkman: well the two machines that matter run it
ben_vulpes: what is a marriage to the wot?
Vexual: even better, dont bring a macbook with a million bucks and a bitcoin tshirt, the shit will dissapear before the chloroform kicks in
punkman: ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then?
Vexual: i know what your grandmother knows instills more frear than i know what you dont know
ben_vulpes: this is derived from your "no groups, only individuals" theories.
mircea_popescu: hm im considering your theory.
ben_vulpes: (on another topic, i concede that you're right as always about plagiarised commits: the signature only implies responsibility for the contents)
ben_vulpes: that's the point i'm making - i copy pasted that code, so to speak, without understanding it.
mircea_popescu: dun worry, they'll come back to byte.
ben_vulpes: what i do understand are the rules that bind her to me.
ben_vulpes: i don't understand all of the rules i'm bound by under the contract i've entered into with usg and lady v
ben_vulpes: what is a marriage? what does the priest have to say matter a whit?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re commits, if an individual copied and pasted a block of code, i'm going to have a hard time believing that they actually understand it.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud well it's financial for "good luck"
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud> Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor << mazel tov
JuliaTourianski: "and then kill yourself". don't omit that
mircea_popescu: <JuliaTourianski> cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining. << this is like the first clever thing i recall you saying
Vexual: big bada boom in the cab
punkman: "user can choose to pay a bit extra to receive a notarized document attesting to the science and accuracy of the upload that should hold up in court without having to hire a Bitcoin expert. "
ben_vulpes: punkman: " built in Laravel or another OOP PHP framework"
Vexual: ne sweat, jusy keep being the boss
Vexual: all about the re
The20YearIRCloud: I could throw her in a wheelbarrow if I had to i guess and wal kthere
cazalla: how many kids ya got The20YearIRCloud
The20YearIRCloud: But thankfully the one that's near us has a specific wing for only birthing, nothing else
The20YearIRCloud: Hospitals certainly are nice, the thing I hate about some of them though is how un-clean their rooms are
ben_vulpes: dafuq is going on over there
The20YearIRCloud: The recovery for C-Section is much longer, and risk of infection is much higher
The20YearIRCloud: Although my brother's wife was into it , and she had to end up being rushed to the hospital
The20YearIRCloud: She's not a fan of the homebirth/waterbirth/ect
dub: just stopped to tell the internet
The20YearIRCloud: We're going to the hospital
The20YearIRCloud: And interestingly enough, there's multiple contraction timers for android
The20YearIRCloud: Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor
decimation: people are paying to rent above what they can find mining (in btc)
JuliaTourianski: cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining.
JuliaTourianski: mircea_popescu and to answer your question, I'm posting things like this: "If you're gonna off yourself because of the bitcoin 'price crash', do us all a favor and turn off your mining operation first." because i mean it.
punkman: JuliaTourianski: do you know what they pay per article?
JuliaTourianski: mircea_popescu you know coindesk does not pay their writers in btc? also, they change 90% of their writers' articles without conscent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. people wanna talk about these, and so coindesk ends up linked.
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> call it The Biz <<< this is a great idea.
mircea_popescu: this is why a newspaper is not just editors. gotta have someone out there on the beat, too
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves> just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) <<< nah the problem is that ba blogs are author driven, and authors can't generally be arsed to discuss events like leotreasure getting stolen from.
Vexual: nice first exit; i like the style
TheNewDeal: nothing must be a better bubble predicter than the success of usian fashion businesses
thickasthieves: hire saffron to do the summary thing
thickasthieves: could rip off the Hooters logo