devthedev: I'm not sure what I'd do if someone followed me into the stall, probably wouldn't be too pretty though.
assbot: Clinton Aide Watches Stall As Reporter Pees | The Daily Caller
decimation: Not the kind of government bureaucrat that could design or even employ someone to design a quality case
decimation: government work, since two years later she found herself in a top position at the VHA."
assbot: Top VA Exec Conspired With Married Boyfriend To Thwart Investigations | The Daily Caller
decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/30/top-va-official-conspired-with-her-married-boyfriend-to-thwart-investigations/ << "A 2008 performance review, according to the investigation, stated that “her accomplishments were undermined by her poor judgment and lack of accountability. … Ms. Taylor allowed a personal friend to be hired in her department as a contractor [Mr. Dobrzykowski]; ... This, of course, is all good enough for
decimation: 'costco', one of the better us 'retailers' got its start selling caskets
decimation: wow. I thought the problem with buying usg surplus is that you have to buy a pallet
asciilifeform: decimation: considerably nicer than 'pelican' - the lips are aluminum, and latches are valve-like cranks that twist tight
decimation: except better constructed with the metal lip & latches
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: then not really applicable
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they're called 'apartments' and cost $maxint
decimation: I yearn for the days when usg would actually create a spec for an object and have it manufactured
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> and this is considerably cheaper than getting a hold of a climate-controlled space where lathe, mill, won't rust in winter. << Wait how much does a climate controlled storage locker cost on your left coast?
asciilifeform: and this is considerably cheaper than getting a hold of a climate-controlled space where lathe, mill, won't rust in winter.
asciilifeform doesn't know what the box for that looks like, but imagines slightly larger
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Brewing something or preparing under the sea anchor safe
devthedev: I don't have access to my OTC keys at the moment to auth.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot devthedev
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: devthedev: He might be cleaning rabbits atm.
decimation: re: floating-point << http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/floating-point-determinism/ "Is IEEE floating-point math deterministic? Will you always get the same results from the same inputs? The answer is an unequivocal “yes”. Unfortunately the answer is also an unequivocal “no”. I’m afraid you will need to clarify your question."
mircea_popescu: devthedev well, talk to cazalla basically.
BingoBoingo: <devthedev> Yes, I worked with Plaxant.com a few months back when they ran a Bitcoin news venue. << Wrote the only worthwhile stories on a since failed venue. Operator never showed and stayed here in spite on invites.
decimation: re: bankruptcy << usg is bankrupt (as discussed yesterday). the natural law of bankruptcy demands that the bankrupt lose control of their assets to the creditors
devthedev: Yes, I worked with Plaxant.com a few months back when they ran a Bitcoin news venue.
asciilifeform: 'there wasn't ebola when bush was president, thanks obama'
mircea_popescu: devthedev didn't you work for something like that at some point ?
devthedev: The talks of a properly run Bitcoin news site is interesting.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The US has its own disease demons like Hanta.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Well I haven't found library work so...Maybe I'll work X-mas at the mall and get back to you in January.
asciilifeform: !s the holiday
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So... We're prolly all stuck now. Ebola diagnosed in the US. Outgoing border controls can't be far away.
asciilifeform: basement, office, bag of money the size of a Waring laboratory blender. recipe for eternal life.
mircea_popescu: possibly dumbest company in history of ip debacles, way up there with the riaa/mpaa crowd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup, quite. bought all the dead birds
asciilifeform: (my brother at one time worked in a tiny game firm, their product was released with 'atari' on the box by the publisher - at the time, hasbro corp.)
asciilifeform: most of the purchases were taxidermically hollowed out (assuming they even had meat) and used as bare named
asciilifeform: everybody knows the story with that firm ?
mircea_popescu: it's like this dumb kid in the courtyard figured somebody gives a shit if he loses an eye.
assbot: Scrabble copyright dispute: Hasbro says it owns the Scrabble dictionary. Players beg to differ.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people live everywhere people live << for the sake of argument, let's agree they're 'people.' but is that 'living' ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-web-20-illustrated/
BingoBoingo: If the news site starts tomorrow... I can be a srs contender for newbs around X-mas
BingoBoingo: cazalla: As I understand web publishing though... One of the most important parts is having content before going on srs promotion binges
BingoBoingo: Whatever the initial name is...there's sites in the #b-a interwebz hood that can get your google juice organically primed and buzzworded
cazalla: how about using one of these new tlds trollbox.report
kakobrekla: could not figure out for the hell of it wtf
kakobrekla: i was in the middle of bbet maintenance when suddenly everything stopped working
BingoBoingo: Everyone has their vices. BingoBlog's first theme was some swiss named default offered in lieu of ugly ass 20XX
kakobrekla: fuck me. one of these days im gonna have a heart attack.
cazalla: i use to use thesis for my wordpress sites though
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Doesn't really get simpler. And as you get ideas about the look, you build from it.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: From the start I will be willing to contribute articles.
cazalla: i figure modelling it after coinfire without all the silliness would be a start, see if i stick at it longer than a few months and then maybe bring some more people on board
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, the first thing to have is probabaly a site pushing quality blocks of text. Within hours of settling on a domain.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: How much have you thought about non-name logistics for the news site?
cazalla: from that digital cc annual report - On 28 February 2014, Mt Gox, the online Bitcoin trading exchange filed for bankruptcy protection in Japan. At the time Mt Gox filed for bankruptcy, Digital CC Trading Pty Ltd (wholly owned subsidiary of the Group) held approximately $233,435 of bitcoins with Mt Gox. It is uncertain as to whether Digital CC Trading Pty Ltd will recover those bitcoins
BingoBoingo: Assbot is kakobrekla's monster. In december it consumes the wrong kind of naughty Children.
assbot: The Best Hot Dogs In America Are Going Extinct, And Everyone Wants A Bite Before It's Too Late
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <******> << the stars are secure
BingoBoingo: Well, not that low power. Like the E-XXXX and its successors.
BingoBoingo: AMDCeleron: What are your thoughts on the AMD low power chips?
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 139.27 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.83 TH/s
JuliaTourianski: that's one of the best reactions I've gotten. at least they're not discussing what i look like.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> what was the name of that bush slut < haha
BingoBoingo: ^ Basically the story of Circle
gribble: New NBC “Reporter” Jenna Bush Hager Must Leave Anti-American ...: <http://www.debbieschlussel.com/8033/new-nbc-reporter-jenna-bush-hager-must-leave-unicef-board/>; Bush - Drunken Stepfather: <http://drunkenstepfather.com/category/bush>; BookReader - Daddy_s slut girl (Egan Norma): <http://bookre.org/reader?file=78071>
BingoBoingo: I thought they were twins and so never got proper memorable names
ben_vulpes: p. sure those girls are out of the running.
mircea_popescu: that was changing her panties on the street at some point ?
mircea_popescu: what was the name of that bush slut
gribble: Family of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama>; Malia and Sasha Obama Through the Years Photos - ABC News: <http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/photos/malia-sasha-obama-vacation-biking-16716893>; Malia Obama Birthday: First Daughter Turns 14, Her Most Stylish ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/malia-obama- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: You know it has been a while since a Roosevelt, but maybe we finally call in a Rockefeller off of the bench
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You forget a third Bush... For the pretense of a second Party
nubbins`: why are we adding these numbers?
ben_vulpes: <bounce> michele vs. hillary << kirchner's in the usa!
BingoBoingo: Facebutt is pretty much the recipe for tossed salad
BingoBoingo: Oh, I thought you were going to do something annilingus related there
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 03:05:00; thickasthieves: call it The Biz
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Weren't there like 50 yesterday? Make an executive decision.
mircea_popescu: cazalla oh, so she upset the usg agitators ? aww.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: BTW how's the news business
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw, im working on an article that'll put that entire thing into quite the lulzy monture.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re jurov's rats : i wonder what happens once "they" finally figure out a) how to induce headaches with RF economically and b) get the social media profiling fine enough. search for bad words on google ? headache, stfu.
jurov: i refuse to investigate further
jurov: http://www.tse-systems.com/products/behavior/anxiety/learned-helplessness.htm omg they even sell premade cages for that
jurov: hanbot yes they were fed, researchers were mostly interested in resulting depression
mircea_popescu: hehe so what's the problem with that
mircea_popescu can't be bothered to video. what's in pornhub link ?
jurov: there was plenty of research
jurov: <hanbot> which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar? << actually, if rats are given transparent lid they go into full learned helplessness
nubbins`: when i was in colombia, i had dinner with a german scuba instructor. he said "if you needed to study and pass a test to be a boat captain in Taganga, there would be no boat captains in Taganga"
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach <<< yes. but devoid of the conveniently muscled uterus and its precise timers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time. <<< this is so funny.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot << what a great way to start something
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago brooklyn still rocked. decay noticeable in the air, like dogs can smell snow. but it still rocked.
gribble: Brooklyn, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn,_Illinois>; Brooklyn, Illinois Archaeology Project: <http://www.histarch.illinois.edu/brooklyn/>; PTs Brooklyn - Brooklyn, IL | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/pts-brooklyn-brooklyn>
mircea_popescu: hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box? << ha! she got you there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here. << very true, but wtf, why brooklyin ?!
dignork: mircea_popescu: with group sex, let's say you had 4-way, so you get 5 signatures with at least 4 to redeem, but only one claims rape against another one - you don't have enough keys
BingoBoingo: In their artisan chemistry shop
nubbins`: wait, i get it. they skipped windows 9 because 7 8 9 :(
BingoBoingo: test___: Generally that's the topic
bounce: not quite the void, but lots of peering
nubbins`: few jokes in there
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange <<< no, it;'s just the usa
nubbins`: BingoBoingo so what's the actual version number? 6.3?
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> don't be the person that you came with! << !
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp. << Upgrade the dorms to... STUDIOS!
mircea_popescu: punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp.
nubbins`: man i'm reading this article about cohen now and the asshole who wrote it seriously just referred to federico lorca as "gabriel garcia lorca"
mircea_popescu: hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising << duh. how do you think the pretense of "media" is preserved ? edvertising!
assbot: The next version of Windows will be… Windows 10 | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: lol comments thx Microsoft >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/the-next-version-of-windows-will-be-windows-10/?comments=1
mircea_popescu: don't be the person that you came with!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` most ppl dunno how to use the soap bar.
nubbins`: you should see the rest of the pictures the guy took. not sure if drunk or couldn't find flash button
bounce: where is this? they have underground buses!
nubbins`: this is a trial run, wanted to make sure the guy didn't suck before i get him to post larger ones
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames
hanbot: eh i guess they didn't (searching turns up some delightful headlines however, incl. "Rx Generic Viagra - The Parrot Liberation Front"). anyway, i suppose he's free to die trying.
hanbot: did the ELF never steal a cheetah?
thickasthieves: in the end yeah, many such conservations even have tours...
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: that would fall under 'other zoo' scenario, no ?
asciilifeform: notice that 'wait to be lifted' isn't on the list. no one steals a cheetah except to place in another zoo.
thickasthieves: the problem i have is that i think it's okay to be free enough to do nothing all the time
hanbot: asciilifeform: indeed. does thermodynamics preclude there being moar options besides submission to big bad or nothing, tho?
thickasthieves: if you could do anything anytime, you might do nothing all the time
asciilifeform: hanbot: naturally, i, and everything alive, would rather have ininite pony and pay with - nothing. but thermodynamics disagrees.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you.
mats_cd03: so lets cut to the chase. do you have a number for your 'fuck you money'?
asciilifeform: perhaps also worth noting is that, imho, 'free time' is not only a freedom to act, but having with what to act. hence there is a difference between the free time of prisoner and non-prisoner.
bounce was just reading a text about buddhism, from some tibetan guy went and lived in the yoosah. said it was all about freedom. and that it's all in your mind. that's right, freedom in your mind. -- maybe this'll go over better if actually imprisoned in the yoosah, maybe.
asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time.
hanbot is attempting to sort out the transactional mess here
asciilifeform: hanbot: mircea_popescu was once puzzled why people will break their backs to make pennies 'while they sleep.' i always understood why.
asciilifeform: hanbot: if i had to do a conventional 'job', with physical movement and shifts, the kind that actually leaves you tired at the end of a day - that'd be much like prison.
xanthyos: jsut a theory
xanthyos: so now any future freeroll will be from the rake they've generated and they can promote it without risking any overhead btc
asciilifeform: hanbot: for me, it's the question of imprisoned now or later.
xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot
xanthyos: haven't heard from stander since nitrogensports.eu opened and had a promised 5 btc freeroll on opening night, then was conveniently ddossed, and promises a 10 btc freeroll that has yet to be scheduled
xanthyos: someone on tinychat tried to sell me btc, i set a price 5% under spot and was ready to buy, thesy stlled me out for hours, then said they changed their mind
hanbot: yes, but in their own minds. they'll contract flesh-eating muggerbugs or w/e and not be able to find any toilet paper.
asciilifeform: hanbot: just like the fellow in space capsule, simply can open air lock and see the stars.
asciilifeform: hanbot: technically, anyone who can scrape together the loose change for a plane ticket - and can physically get to airport - 'can.'
hanbot: ah, so not an issue of "can't" then, but of not being worth it? well that's perfectly sound. most people i talk to about leaving the us are on the "can't" wagon.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: hanbot: it isn't really a 'profession structure' in my case. yes, for some people, 'i'm a lawyer and without that i'm nothing, where's my pistol' etc. these folks dropped like flies in '90s russia, say. but i'm more of - 'if i can move across the sea, but have to work as shoemaker in a cellar for 12h day, instead of 'turning the right screw' here in usa, why do i need to buy plane ticket? i can do the shoemaker th
bounce: the state doesn't seem quite dead yet. crumbling, grasping, but not quite dead yet.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: asciilifeform well that's cool, gotta work with what you've got and all. if what you've got is profession-dictated structure, then sure, i can see it. it's an uncomfortable thought but at some point it may become necessary to weigh the importance of that structure against the importance of freedom.
asciilifeform: the picture of usa 'ticking' because of some abstract ideal like 'war' or 'consumption' is mistake. rather it's more like the tissues of a corpse that can ferment anaerobically, living on for days or even weeks past burial
bounce: apparently that's all they need to keep ticking.
bounce: the state religion for domestic consumtion (the pun is mandatory, citizen). the one for export is called "democracy". and the motivation is "let's find us something to make war against"
asciilifeform: happy to consume: food, water, plenty of mains current, the occasional bit of scrap metal.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i can only speak for myself, really, but i do have a fairly solid picture of what kind of life folks with profession similar to my own live, in various parts of the world, and how much sweat they must sweat, vs. i at my duties, and so forth.
punkman: asciilifeform: what the hell do I know, I'm far away
hanbot: well if you can and want to use assumptions about the space outside, that works. the problem is those assumptions may well be poor given data collection capabilities from inside the box, and for all you know you're being fed data to make you toil over impossible suits for the purpose of keeping you inside.
asciilifeform: hanbot: usually, by the time leaving seems like a good idea regardless, it is far too late.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i suspect that it isn't leaving with suitcase that bothers people, but for the most part a rational calculation of whether leaving would in fact give them increased freedom - or not - to do the kind of things they actually want to do.
hanbot: and it may not be the place per se, love for a certain avenue or whatnot, but fear of what's left when x certification or y language mastery doesn't matter so much anymore.
hanbot: eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them!
asciilifeform: hanbot: friends - sure. (though they are still your friends, presumably, over telegraph)
asciilifeform: hanbot: with the exception of hereditary peasants, bound to the soil, etc - can't picture who is attached to the 'place' per se
hanbot: kinda like getting served a bad meal at some restaurant and deciding you're not going there anymore, whether it's the only restaurant in town or not, whether that's where all your friends go, etc.
hanbot: in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited.
hanbot: well naturally varies from one person to the next. if there were an omnipotent list it'd effectively remove the likely most widespread item: fear.
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you meant luxuries - cars, houses, etc. - americans are having a fine time 'letting go' of these, with a little help from an imploding economy and hungry creditors...
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you've the time - elaborate. which things ought people let go of ?
asciilifeform: most people in usa understand that no one, across any ocean, is holding his breath waiting for them.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people << always a bitch. the good kind, tho'.
asciilifeform: punkman: i personally don't know anyone in love with the geography. but people do get attached to food, shelter.
asciilifeform: folks who actually want to escape from -everything-... fellate their pistols. a more selective solution - takes finesse and resources.
hanbot: never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik.
asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here.
asciilifeform: problem of escape is also usefully divisible into two distinct sub-problems - how to get out of X, and how to find Y such that you can eat there and avoid whatever it was that you weren't so fond of at X.
asciilifeform: basic mechanics of escape from a gravity well - and of escape from a country - are very similar, i dare say. you need sufficient energy (usually in the form of hard currency, but can be some unusual substitute like familial, mob, or military 'in
bounce: so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser?
asciilifeform: hanbot: or whether folks sentenced to sit on a stake should get oiled or not oiled stake.
asciilifeform: hanbot: this is reminiscent of the debate regarding whether folks being burned at the stake should or should not get a little sack of gunpowder to wear around their neck
hanbot: asciilifeform> unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport << which is why using app as palliative is particularly heinous (or particularly attractive depending on user sanity)
dignork: punkman: not sure about legality, but there is a cypherpunk solution: video recording crypted by 3 keys (Shamir's scheme), 2 keys needed to decode, 1 key at court, 2 other keys are of the involved parties
asciilifeform: there's an interesting set of legal precedents in usa, invalidating any and all concept of sex contract (consent can be withdrawn, e.g., five minutes... 'in' - and thereby, retroactively, if you like, because 'i cancelled five minutes in, in my head, after that it was a rape') etc.
asciilifeform: unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport.
asciilifeform: the 'sex contract' app may be lame - but there's an actual market for solving actual problem there.
punkman: "The legislature is telling state universities to more aggressively involve themselves in their students' sex lives."
hanbot: all while catering to what insecure users would actually like, which is broadcasting their conquests, real or imagined, to the world.
hanbot: let's leave out the question of whether you should fuck if your decision making relies on a dumbed-down cosmo quiz and pepper the name of the thing with "hot" and "trendy"
assbot: The hot new ‘consent’ app, Good2Go, is logging the name and phone number of everyone you have sex with - The Washington Post
punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/09/29/the-hot-new-consent-app-good2go-is-logging-the-name-and-phone-number-of-everyone-you-have-sex-with/
assbot: Harvest for the world: France's army of grape-pickers in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/sep/19/france-army-of-grape-pickers-harvest-in-pictures
punkman: "nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it
assbot: UMass police helped keep student's addiction secret - Metro - The Boston Globe
mircea_popescu: nobody even knew that's how the roman matrons dressed.
bounce: (which is the only things that counts. provincials.)
mircea_popescu: (first only in the us sense of that term, of course)
mircea_popescu: so maybe we get to see the first one party system in history where people enthusiastically support the idea.
mircea_popescu: usians are notoriously idiotic in that they act all smug about how they're special to have had an axe handle shoved up the butt.
mircea_popescu: depends where the angle is.
bounce: and it'd fsck with the sport of brinkmanship
mircea_popescu: maybe you get to have some actual fun and the same candidate is endorsed by both caucuses
mircea_popescu: bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of a usa is maintained hence.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 pretty much central europeans are the us repository of whiteness.
kakobrekla: even if its just the servers.
mike_c: and for the record, moving sucks.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: ;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report.
bounce: rode to school in the warped bus, eh