mircea_popescu: when we're in prison, if we end up in the same cell, gladly.
Dimsler: if you cool down the body
Dimsler: i heard 16hrs after the heart stops beating
mircea_popescu: which i guess makes me something in the vein of jesus ?
asciilifeform: just observing that a mathematically-inclined boy is of course going to try to prove flt.
mircea_popescu: does not mean i had something in the vein of the complex set theory that eventualy did it.
asciilifeform: that was precisely the kind of thing meant.
Dimsler: i could probably argue that humanity would be far better off if they hadn't invented the wheel
mircea_popescu: attempts are no qualification. i attempted to prove fermat's theorem, too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: attempt at solving basic problem of the 'martian bank'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what;'s the meaning of "in that vein" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mr mold fessed up to having had something in that vein. and at one point i did. (neither very interesting)
mircea_popescu: i dunno what huey long is supposed to be other than a sort of us peron.
Dimsler: i thought chaplin was the original hitler?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: surprised nobody's yet acting as if they invented hitler << americans used to. huey p. long was supposed to be 'original hitler' << Long himself had a prototype in William Jennings Bryant
asciilifeform: then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean then, or now ?
DanielKrawisz: Well Bitcoin used a lot of elements and ideas from the digital collectibles, so I think there is some continutity, but it's very innovative too.
mircea_popescu: and i wanted to know if when someone invents something, they have to also say how it's to be made
mircea_popescu: this is the difference between invention and daydreaming, something my mother explained to me when i was like 6
asciilifeform has yet to meet a p2p derpatronics experimented from '95-'05 era who -didn't- have own secret pseudo-bitcoin at the time
Dimsler: DanielKrawisz, quantitative monetary theory
mircea_popescu: let's be clear here : wanting something, no matter how intensively, is NOT grounds for relation with the thing once made.
DanielKrawisz: Then there were some proposals for digital collectibles; b-money, RPOW, and bit gold. Those things were an important step forward, but RPOW was the only one ever implemented, and it didn't take off. I don't think they would have worked. Bitcoin fixed a lot of stuff that they got wrong.
Dimsler: DanielKrawisz, can you write about how satoshi didn't understand economics and based his theory on murray rothbards teachings
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: surprised nobody's yet acting as if they invented hitler << americans used to. huey p. long was supposed to be 'original hitler'
mircea_popescu: i'm surprised nobody's yet acting as if they invented hitler, back in iowa or something
mircea_popescu: DanielKrawisz that's unavoidable. it's the nature of the ignorant twerps making up the us horde, to overplay their own narcisism against history.
Dimsler: and cryptographic based currencies and other online currencies have been around since digicash
DanielKrawisz: Well we wanted to use that name because we agreed that a lot of the bitcoin world was trying to downplay him.
mircea_popescu: especially if the bad instigation puns started flowing.,
mircea_popescu: if it were the nakabit insticoin it'd have been more annoying. course also lulzier.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> I've got a camera. I've got a tent. << lmao what an attitude << Given the alternatives in Usaschwitz, that Thompson guy found an interesting defense against the Feds with his selectively unreliable narration.
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, he called it the nakamoto institute
DanielKrawisz: Oh yeah, we always complain about the stupidity over in our group too.
mircea_popescu: <Dimsler> seriously are you going to be preaching the satoshibible here? <<< unlike 99% of the derps derping about bitcoin, i don't recall these folks saying anything infuriatingly stupid.
Dimsler: there own digital currency
Dimsler: they are doing what cryptographics has made popular
DanielKrawisz: Oh, they are doing a deliberate pump and dump?
Dimsler: a pascification of the proletariat
mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> why does freenode suck so much << because they essentially gave up ? just riding things as they are into the night, as it were.
DanielKrawisz: Yeah, I think reddit doesn't quite understand what they're doing.
DanielKrawisz: And then we were like, "Wouldn't it be hilarious if we started the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute?" for a while and then we stopped making jokes about it and just did it.
decimation: BingoBoingo: I suspect that some degree of 'white power' in prision is 'us v. them'
mircea_popescu: reddit is there to try and leech something if at all possible. sort-of like an online hot topic.
DanielKrawisz: Basically, we started out as an econ discussion group at a university called the Mises Circle, but then I got everyone talking almost exclusively about bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: reddit isn't there to build something useful.
Dimsler: oh like the matrix?
DanielKrawisz: There is no satoshi bible.
BingoBoingo: <Dimsler> what the fuck is the nakamatoinstitute? << Recent college kids playing with the idea of an online museum
Dimsler: seriously are you going to be preaching the satoshibible here?
DanielKrawisz: I don't understand IRC very well. I'm trying to get into the WOT.
BingoBoingo: Dimsler: My understanding of it is that in US prisons Scandanavian lore is appropriated so as to be "Whiter than the Brits"
Dimsler: not too sure how this hick from the ozarks is relating himself to anytype of nord valhalla anything
Dimsler: all those germanic places creap me the fuck out
Dimsler: for doing 50km/h over the limit
decimation: odin doth frown upon the state of norway
asciilifeform: (or were they ðorns?)
mats_cd03: i'm glad we're on the same page
mats_cd03: i've been forced to reconnect five or six times in the last three weeks
nubbins`: "labeling of the company as bogus and scammers"
thickasthieves: they are repopening after talks with FTC
assbot: Local news from Rock Hill, SC | The Herald
BingoBoingo: decimation: Nah, maybe I just want to see the world burn? I've got a camera. I've got a tent. By oversee I don't mean taking control, but documenting the absence of control for great lulz.
decimation: at $800 the total bet is worth $3 mil
decimation: works out for some, not so much for otheres
decimation: BingoBoingo: except you are basically propsing that you want to surf the wave of terror to power
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Basically taking pictures, recording the lulz
thickasthieves: or the mines
mircea_popescu: that's like what, overseeing the flood ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> actually, the better question being, what IS left anymore anyway. << Honestly as an alternative to fleeing the US staying back to oversee partitioning is becoming an attractive option
mircea_popescu: which btw... i wonder if one day the dollar value of bets will be < the pool values :D
decimation: it'll be awesome of btc/usd goes up another leg in the next few months and that bet becomes bigger than whatsapp
mircea_popescu: so the pool is like 123mn to 100mn.
mircea_popescu: whereas the recent 2.5k on no have 40k weight.
mircea_popescu: the thing with that is... people have waited for a while. as a result the sides are weight-unbalanced. the seed 1k on yes has a 100k weight whereas current bets only get 40k
thickasthieves: so who's putting another 1k on Yes?
mircea_popescu: sort-of like nobody remembers glbse, or bitcoin magazine, or w/e other derpage went on in the 2012s.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves actually, it's quite possible it's the only thing that'l even be remembered
mircea_popescu: more like, the derpage in charge has been nominally identified as "left" for so long.
decimation: well, I would suggest that the left has so utterly dominated for so long that they have become a cartoon of themselves
mircea_popescu: actually, the better question being, what IS left anymore anyway.
decimation: well, I guess he's in favor of growing the bureaucracy
decimation: "“But I have laid out my ideas to create more jobs and grow more wages,” Obama told students at Northwestern University following a high-dollar fundraiser for Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn. ”A true opposition party should have the courage to lay out theirs. There’s a reason fewer Republicans are preaching doom on deficits – because they’re now manageable.”"
assbot: Obama Attacks Fox News In Northwestern Speech | The Daily Caller
decimation: here is an example of them holding each other accountable http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/02/obama-attacks-fox-news-in-northwestern-speech/
mircea_popescu: in that the difference is nigligible
assbot: Dogecoin transactions are outpacing those in bitcoin; here's why that's not surprising - The Tell - MarketWatch
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2014/01/14/dogecoin-transactions-outpacing-those-in-bitcoin-heres-why-thats-not-surprising/
mircea_popescu: i like the guy's style tho. testing bitbet deposit address with one bitcoin!
BingoBoingo: I know, but I mean in the future where every scam site tries to Raep BitBet referrals because it pays better than advertising
mircea_popescu: no, it's just, the bets that are already in are already in, referrals already paid and accounted for.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they can only cut future revenue/unearned incomes << Right, the move to cut referalls from all of a bet's rake to part of it was solid
mircea_popescu: o look, cloudflare is failing to protect blockchain.info and claiming the problem resides with blockchain info.
mircea_popescu: they can only cut future revenue/unearned incomes
kakobrekla: the tx?
asciilifeform: 'In the world of gourmet keyboards, the Topre key switch is widely considered to be the Holy Grail. Some have even made love to their Topres
'
Duffer1: ok then
asciilifeform: 'model m', secondhand, perhaps 20. (usually they need a day worth of cleaning through)
mircea_popescu: other objects... not so much
asciilifeform: can break other objects.
kakobrekla: perhaps there are better things to destroy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You got scammed, the shop just left the oldcortex in. There never was a new one.
mircea_popescu: some people are their own best punishment.
mircea_popescu: o, no, he's got to be an independent fucktard, doing nothing for 20 years and then wondering why the state isn't taking care of his asthma.
mircea_popescu: couldn't be in here, doing honest, useful work and building himself in the process.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ there, that's your idiot working "to make money while he sleeps". that's the prototype.
mircea_popescu: they gotta go to a special school to be this untimely stupid, it just can't occur naturally.
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/1FG2dA9D6Fmop6v9uKvGwW22UykRdt5T55 << these spamderps, check it out, five minutes.
RagnarDanneskjol: as with previous updates, he had to backup the deed list and reinstall I believe. please discuss with him - I dont want to misrepreset
RagnarDanneskjol: like I mentioned, I believe development and hosting for the bot needs to change hands real soon
kakobrekla: 2 suggestions: make deeds searchable and add a simple syntax, at least so that we specify 'title' and 'content' in the signed content
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah to the bundle as signed.
mircea_popescu: this channel about another matter, you might not receive a response."
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assbot: The USAF's Much Maligned A-10 Warthogs Are Deploying To Fight ISIS
BingoBoingo: Oh, the US is going to use that plane they wanted to mothball this year against ISIS http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-usafs-much-maligned-a-10-warthogs-are-deploying-to-1640395280/+laceydonohue
mircea_popescu: the game
The20YearIRCloud: The company had a patent on some pretty amazing software dealing with getting html5 to convert old PC games to online play. Some were even phone compatible I guess. but instead they wanted to spend a bunch of VC on some pie in the sky, get rich quick game that flopped massively
The20YearIRCloud: All while ben, their senior data anylist told them it was a failure waiting to happen, and to spend more effort on advertising their games that were already cash positive
The20YearIRCloud: of course, but from what i've seen video game developers are even worse. So many pseudo-artists deciding that it's all better than a lotto ticket. They spent several million on a game that made something like a hundred dollars
The20YearIRCloud: the real problem is finding quality programmers that won't rob you blind. His former company was chock full of guys pulling $100k/yr , yet when it came to business sense there wasn't much to go around.
The20YearIRCloud: Prior to HASH and his contract work, Ben did data anaylis for a Icann company, and learned quite a bit about the seedy underbelly of video games
The20YearIRCloud: The real disconnect is : Do you have a quality team of programmers that know what they're doing or not
The20YearIRCloud: Depends on quality, my brother is in the industry and has looked long and hard at game development
thickasthieves: pricewise it was at a major just after diff went flat, once diff starting going up again, the price went from $13 to $260
The20YearIRCloud: the cash on hand and various figures for s.mg
kakobrekla: !up The20YearIRCloud
thickasthieves: Jan 24 2013 was the last time it went down
kakobrekla: coindesk saves the day xD
kakobrekla: its in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: the trade balance's going to look awful.
mircea_popescu: seems obama's fucktarded "sanctions" on russia have backfired monstrously. now the eu is sanctioning the us.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this euro devaluation business is the absolute worst news conceivable for the us.
thickasthieves: goat is polluting the tradingview chat now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the muricans are at this major cultural disadvantage where they cnat raed. and so... http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/
asciilifeform: the real lulz - idiot lifts ancient material from ru forums, passes it off as fresh turd!
mircea_popescu: "o look, this car can go in reverse! which is exactly what the manual says! YO COULD KILL PEOPLE!!!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole usb reads like so much media whoring to me, possibly with the malicious twist of trying to drown legitimate stuff like THE BASH HOLES!!! AFTER THE SSH HOLES!!!
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves that's one half. the other half is, these megadiscoveries suck. o, rly, you can make it be fake kbd ?! wow nelly!
thickasthieves: mp is just saying there was no reason to think usb was secure
mircea_popescu: fluffypony more like over the past 3-4 weeks but ok.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fetish for usb is because contagion. 'everybody' carries the usb drives. or something like that.
mircea_popescu: mostly because the usb "standard" looks like something gavin, taaki and that other guy put together.
mircea_popescu: teward: punkman: i'm surprised github lets that code exist... if it IS, after all, malicious... <<< since when is github policing the code ?!
mircea_popescu: davidlatapie i have nfi idea what monero is because in spite of being invited fluffypony doesn't want to give the group a presentation. the comment is just as to the improbable nature of the name. why mew and what's someone not in on the jokes to make of it.
asciilifeform: the 'condom' people collected 10k+ usd to build... 4 to 2-wire usb jack. for 10k a man could build an airplane!
mircea_popescu: and all your dumbass "encrypted partition" stuff is worthless therefore ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i choked from lol when heard of this idiocy, having performed the precisely same experiment, with same chip, long ago, and thought it was entirely boring
mircea_popescu: ps. the EXACT SAME could be said of... hard drives.
mircea_popescu: dub how are you going to patch the fact that the microcontroler is a... microcontroler ?
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2014 20:12:02; asciilifeform: re: usb diddling: i had the entire thing working two years ago, with same 'phison', likewise cribbed russian docs. didn't think it was interesting to anyone other than me.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, what's the big deal ?
mircea_popescu: firmware tricks demonstrated by Caudill and Wilson would hide files in that invisible portion of the code, or silently disable a USBs security feature that password-protects a certain portion of its memory."
mircea_popescu: "In one case, they showed that the infected USB can impersonate a keyboard to type any keystrokes the attacker chooses on the victims machine. Because it affects the firmware of the USBs microcontroller, that attack program would be stored in the rewritable code that controls the USBs basic functions, not in its flash memoryeven deleting the entire contents of its storage wouldnt catch the malware. Other
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: ol, Circle's login suggests what email you might be trying to enter< omfg ?! NOT by quering their userdb i hope beyond hope ?!
rithm: burn the witch!
davidlatapie: mircea_popescu: the rpietila part was purely technical. I was setting up an IRC account for Risto, nothing else :)
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davidlatapie: mircea_popescu> davidlatapie what, were you going to count the pies flying ?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves what the fuck is that anyway ? ringworms ?
fluffypony: davidlatapie: there, fixed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how was the factory ?
mircea_popescu: strp yeah, we're totally going to care about some ethereum pr copy. it's like, in short supply.
thickasthieves: strp, here's the deal, you have until your voice in this channel runs out to make your case for talking to me after that dont speak to me again
mircea_popescu: these ppls.
strp: if you guys don't prefer to scam today I can share the email I got from the ethereum investor, in wihch he talked aobut some of his returns. (removing his name.)
kakobrekla: anyone made any coin on etherum!?
strp: mircea_popescu, well, I was connected with a guy who I think made heavy coin on ethereum. I didn't verify.
diametric: strp: nice weather we're having in fort meade today
mircea_popescu: the bomb ?
mircea_popescu: davidlatapie what, were you going to count the pies flying ?
strp: thickasthieves, if (as anyone normal) you would prefer to do it privately you can also PM me an introduction. I don't know anything about you other than that you hang out in -assets and were recomended as responsible and level-headed.
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strp: dub, see here for example: http://blog.samaltman.com/reddit He is going to give out free equity in Reddit. (10% of the funds it raises on its latest fundraising round)
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: seems i'm wrong, i need someone that knows more finance than me to chime in << what is the q again ?
strp: dub, if you weren't trolling --- you would have a lot more luck getting Sam Altman (the current YC president) in here. He has taken a HUGE liking to crypto currencies.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/29/cisco-the-internet-needs-more-control/ <<< this from the company that lost 90% of its sales because it turned out they worked as usg spies.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: IS ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET REAL << wasn't there a snopes debunk about this urban legend where someone supposedly asked once if things on the internet are real ?
strp: Well, I'd assume skype, and we can see if there's a match?
thickasthieves: Yes, strp you are just the man I'm looking for, where do we begin?
strp: thickasthieves, I told you what I'm looking for. You got a recommendation as a level-headed, responsible person, and if you would like to partner with an ambitious, mercurial, head-strong, impulsive, capricious one who has wildly expansive plans, then tell me. If not, it's okay.
mircea_popescu: by the way, did you know girls can get strep cunt if you give them head while you have strep throat ?
strp: as I'd written, "I just read somewhere that business partners should have known each other for years. My opinion, is, naaaah."
rithm: i say burn the witch, if she drowns she wasn't a witch
fluffypony: so my IRC client keeps highlighting the word
mircea_popescu: not saying it's outright impossible or anything, but the story they got is unconvincing at best.
mircea_popescu: how in the heavens does this work ?
dub: well. all their traffic was going somewhere else
mircea_popescu: dub that theory doesn't explain why CF was down.
dub: wording sounds like someone attacked a 3rd party by sending them all cloudflares traffic
mircea_popescu: dub no, they got blown of the net and are claiming it's not because they suck. like you know, tesla explaining that the battery fire was due to a customer setting their car atop a camping gas stove
dub: are they claiming it was a dos?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony they're notorious for lying, so... what actually happened may be pieced together if/when internexa blogs about it
fluffypony: the data center in Medellín."
fluffypony: "This downtime was the result of a BGP route leak by Internexa, an ISP in Latin America. Internexa accidentally directed large amounts of traffic destined for CloudFlare data centers around the world to a single data center in Medellín, Colombia. This was the result of Internexa announcing via BGP that their network, instead of ours, handled traffic for CloudFlare. This miscommunication caused a flood of traffic to quickly overwhelm
assbot: A complete theory of sociology
mircea_popescu: there we go.
kakobrekla: cept the antichumpaol.
kakobrekla: there exists usb cables with power lines only.
asciilifeform: dignork: no data sheet (at the time) - but leaked fw update util. that chinese scammers used to sell fake (undersized) usb drives at russian flea markets. lifted fw protocol off the wire from these.
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asciilifeform: dignork: yes, 8051 variant. yes, ida eats it just fine. but most of the registers are not documented, so much puzzle work.
asciilifeform: re: usb diddling: i had the entire thing working two years ago, with same 'phison', likewise cribbed russian docs. didn't think it was interesting to anyone other than me.
dignork: bounce: on the .ru site bunch of firmware_*.rar files, bin files apparently 8051(?), and not crypted, so IDA should be able to read them. *_datasheet*.pdf from the same site might help
rithm: dub i'm like the dub of -otc
dub: the real question: is rithm a dancer?
rithm: to all the things you need
rithm: the github page has "links"
bounce: can you get the firmware out of the stick with that? might be vaguely interesting to disassemble and inspect
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thickasthieves: it is possible they are skimming very little though, to attract volume
thickasthieves: well they seem to sell coins at an obvious premium
mike_c: no fees, just don't ask about the exchange rate.
thickasthieves: they claim no fees, so i'm going to try and do a max vol buy and sell
thickasthieves: i was only declaring i like that they are munching on Coinbase's lunch