mircea_popescu: o i know! we could resolve problems by positing nonsense and then building cleanly around it!
asciilifeform: mind you, nowhere in the book-case worth of turds will you find the phrase 'self-describing'
mircea_popescu: what the shit is it supposed to be, like a self-eating snake ?
decimation: yeah ssl is the usb of IP
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this notion of "self describing" is possibly the most idiotic thing self-important derps on "committees" ever came up with.
gribble: On the Practical Exploitability of Dual EC in TLS Implementations: <http://dualec.org/>; On the Practical Exploitability of Dual EC in TLS Implementations: <http://dualec.org/DualECTLS.pdf>; Vulnerability (computing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerability_(computing)>
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/10/russias-ministry-of-finance-preps-to-ban-bitcoin/#comment-2 <<< shit i got their cherry!
asciilifeform: exploitable bugs in all known implementations. <- and you can take that to the bank.
mircea_popescu: the spec is about as stupid as a hardware spec could be.
asciilifeform: decimation: not evil per se, but 'design by committee' all the way. no effort whatsoever was spent to lighten the book.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2014 17:42:01; asciilifeform: dignork: as i pointed out ages ago to ninjaspamgun, it is the responsibility of operating system to enumerate, e.g. only usb dildo on a given port, and not keyboard or whatnot
decimation: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bal-icc111004,0,3081191.story "Flanagan announced last week that the estimated cost of the highway, which would run from U.S. 1 in Laurel to the Interstate 270 corridor in Montgomery County, had increased from the previous projection of $1.7 billion. ... Under current law, 87 percent of future increases would be available for non-ICC projects; the administration wants to make that 80 percent.
mircea_popescu: lol apparently the weev dude is now a white supremacist.
decimation: with bitcoin, the 'free market' in us finance starts to look like a massive dekulakization experiment
mircea_popescu: (insmuch as the most you could do, cca 2010 or before, was to move them into... another cage, worse made)
asciilifeform: decimation: bezzlars work great because they devalue just as well at the bottom of the sea, or in a shoebox entombed in drywall ceiling, etc
mircea_popescu: the thing is, without bitcoin that cage can't even be made apparent
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would you succeed, and what would that mean. instaunwind.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> indeed. The other day I was trying to find an etf or stock that didn't depend on 'bezzle' (ie usg fiat finance). I didn't succeed. << this is roughly equivalent to, "the other day, i tried to find a natural process going backwards in entropy. i didn't succeed"
asciilifeform: i think diametric and i might be two of the 100 or so people who actually drive on that!
decimation: yeah I've mentioned the "MD 200" fiasco
decimation: asciilifeform: I assume you live in some old suburb near DC - have you ever sat down to total the 'value' of the homes within a few blocks of where you live?
decimation: indeed. The other day I was trying to find an etf or stock that didn't depend on 'bezzle' (ie usg fiat finance). I didn't succeed.
decimation: in more other words, the 'political will' of a collection of elected lawyers with real estate side business all agree that they should not pay while others pay
decimation: in other words we realize the we are thieves and will happily make unprincipled exceptions when we decide we can do so
decimation: "Donna Steele Flynn, a former member of the House Ways and Means Committee staff who is now a tax specialist with Ernst & Young, said, ''The only reason this hasn't gotten fixed is because the official Joint Tax Committee estimate in the past was that repeal of Section 1706 would cost a billion dollars in tax revenue over five years.''There is a political will on both sides of the aisle, but in terms of importance and number of
decimation: a friend told me that when he was three, his mom took her cash receipts from the family restaurant to the auditor, along with the screaming three year old. the auditor settled for $100 after a few hours of screaming
decimation: that generally makes you fairly immune to serious harassment, at least in the opinion of some accountants I know
diametric: yeah. though if you pay the usg something instead of trying to null out the taxes, it goes a long way to avoiding troubles in the future, or so I heard from friends of mine that have been independent contractors for decades.
decimation: there's no doubt that 'owning' a business is a good way to skate usg taxes
diametric: asciilifeform: the other thing is deductions aren't tied specifically to the individual contract either. so all my r&d gets deducted too.
decimation: although even the independent contractor can't buy a company car for commuting, because the irs says so
decimation: an 'employee' is at the mercy of his management to decide how to spend business revenue
diametric: asciilifeform: the amount of things I can now deduct has increased 10 fold.
decimation: for the same reason the law also allows the importation of indian & chinese indentured servants
decimation: meanwhile there's a special exception written in the law that requires the irs to presume that engineers are not independent contractors
mircea_popescu: s a secial extemption written in the law against people like it folks being independent.
mircea_popescu: decimation> my point is that a real estate agent is considered an independent contractor even when she works in an office with a secretary <<< there
decimation: mircea_popescu: obviously at the cost of draining productivity from the minority of the productive, but that hasn't stopped usg in the past
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> so why collect it back as tax? answer: give the 'patient' an opportunity to underpay, collect penalty. << more like, give patient something to do with his time.
mircea_popescu: yeah speaking of which, how's those posters things ? any bites from renters The20YearIRCloud ?
decimation: beyond the usurious rates, it is a double insult that usg insists that you participate in its crimes against honest accounting while paying 'tax' with your tax
decimation: asciilifeform: these days the double tax isn't as bad because the mortgage interest rates are low
decimation: my company hires an old woman to assemble circuit boards, we pay her as an independent contractor. apparently the state has been harassing the company because the state presumes that her 'independent contract' is really an employment contract
asciilifeform: since tax authorities operate as if they did not know automagically, in real time, who these are - no pre-tax
asciilifeform: other reasons include - folks who play in the real-estate chumpatron get a good deal of tax break.
asciilifeform: so why collect it back as tax? answer: give the 'patient' an opportunity to underpay, collect penalty.
asciilifeform: now in most cases, it's usg's money (sometimes one or two steps removed) in the first place.
decimation: it's amusing that usg taxes labor at usurious rates and then whines about how employment is so low
decimation: I think most folks just wing it and adjust when the tax bill comes due
decimation: not because they are nosy busybodies but because they just want properly calculated taxes, you see
asciilifeform: decimation: manually computing the tax, alone, is almost a job.
decimation: mainly because there is no free market for 'health insurance', retirement, etc. even if you opt out you still need to file paperwork
kakobrekla: well the roi is now like double
mike_c: since we got the lulztron back.. the RENT 3po closed yesterday selling shares for 75. today they are back at 40. quite a 1 day return.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 120.95 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.36 TH/s
thickasthieves: it's the diff drop armageddon
mircea_popescu: there are bunches of txn firing off yes
mircea_popescu: jurov you will notice that a) all this was injected into the conversation via bitbet and b) fucktards, srsly.
mircea_popescu: "It is NOT impossible to have such an enormous (gigantic) ginormous rise in prices - eg from $300 to $10k; however, the lower that BTC prices go, the more difficult it becomes to imagine such an upward BTC price explosion.... .. such as 30x..."
mircea_popescu: *: punkman remembers the derps trying to do webfonts before we had webfonts <<< now that was a riot
mircea_popescu: <bounce> forgot whose study it was, but apparently the easiest to read is about 65 cols referencing fixed-pitch. << bunch of military studies over the years, 60 to 80 in anyu case.
kakobrekla: angel whale sleeps with the fishes now
cazalla: i guess it's something to keep in mind when/if it comes time to redesign the site but for time being, i think it's acceptable
cazalla: thickasthieves: yknow i'm ok with qntra being all barebones design, but why on god's green earth is it left-aligned? <<< just turn your head a little to the left, fixed
asciilifeform was actually surprised there wasn't a minefield
asciilifeform: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/03/killing-americans-white-house-lawn-wrong
bounce: fanbois will be fanbois. people fawning over powershell like it's the bestest thing evar and not, oh, twenty years late to the party? bit of a giveaway.
assbot: Windows 10 command prompt finally gets dragged into the 21st century | Ars Technica
jurov: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/windows-10-command-prompt-finally-gets-dragged-into-the-21st-century/
assbot: Pharmaceutical Giant GlaxoSmithKline “Accidentally” Released 45 Liters of Concentrated Live Polio Virus in the Environment | Global Research
BingoBoingo: http://www.globalresearch.ca/pharmaceutical-giant-glaxosmithkline-accidentally-released-45-liters-of-concentrated-live-polio-virus-in-the-environment/5405801
thickasthieves: btce price is $14 below others
bounce: though I'd be perfectly willing to ignore any and all redmond products regardless of reported usage percentages, they just don't play well with others
thickasthieves: they are serving up advertising
bounce: you'd have to release the notion of getting an identical picture everywhere. you're not serving up "an experience" or "a picture" or whatever, you're serving up content.
thickasthieves: the problem is you cant get browsers to fall in line to that kinda thing
bounce: in this case it might be more useful to not stick one pane on the right and another on the left hand side, but position them relative to each other instead
punkman remembers the derps trying to do webfonts before we had webfonts
BingoBoingo: I don't think the current super mininum style is going to be a permanent feature on qntra, but... page load times are a thing. Got to plan for people accessing the internet using dialup through a payphone.
thickasthieves: all computers should use the same hw spec and everyone should program in the same language and use the same db sesign too
bounce: this about that giant screenshot with two panes on either side and lots of nothing inbetween?
bounce: in fact, it rarely happens but could provide multiple layouts for the onlooker to choose
bounce: that is the current assumption: hipster with tablet
thickasthieves: and all people should be the same
BingoBoingo: I'll raise the issue with cazalla
bounce: you should do popups complaining that the content is optimised for sane widths and please upgrade your browser and/or your resolution
thickasthieves: well you prefer your content to be in the wing?
bounce: forgot whose study it was, but apparently the easiest to read is about 65 cols referencing fixed-pitch.
thickasthieves: center the page
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Well the design is just to get the thing started. I just don't know of any graceful way to handle the problem of really big monitors.
thickasthieves: i guess i'm just in the minority
assbot: Jessica Williams Continues Her War Against Catcalls on ‘The Daily Show’ - Speakeasy - WSJ
mats_cd03: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/10/03/jessica-williams-continues-her-war-against-catcalls-on-the-daily-show
thickasthieves: bingoboingo, centered, cuz most displays are wide these days
mircea_popescu: the scammer train : all scammers who stil believe can hide in plain sight can conveniently claim that a well known scammer owes them.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate garr255 -1 GLBSE scammer, poster child for all the lying & fraudulent behaviour that association would promise.
kakobrekla: o look, i was the first to negrate him
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user garr255: Level 1: -5, Level 2: -2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=garr255 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=garr255 | Rated since: Sat Jun 16 15:01:31 2012
mircea_popescu: is this the guy who lied about shil bidding on his own "auction" then being proven to have lied ?
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha garr the honest person ?
kakobrekla: where are the leechers?
Dimsler: the bid walls just keep getting taken out
mircea_popescu: ducks have teeth on their bills
bounce: there's at least two recruiters floating around here, ought to be able to make 'emselves useful, no?
mircea_popescu: like the african dogs do
mats_cd03: i felt strangely detached from the spectacle of it.
mircea_popescu: savaged, of course, means this speciffic hunting technique where the preditor opens the abdominal cavity of the prey
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: well, you did use the phrase 'a man being savaged', and well, being a gangster in your youth. plus, the only images i've seen of you are in suits
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 ahahaha that'd be the lol of all time.
mats_cd03: and internal MSFT rumors suggest that the skip from windows 9 to 10 was due to developers parsing os version strings of 'windows 95/98' badly, e.g. testing for just 'windows 9' in the substring
thickasthieves: soon we'll have FREE Windows USBs in the mail
Dimsler: they should have just had a duel
thickasthieves: weathercock logic?\
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=weather+eye | weather bug · weather buggin · weather chatting · weathercoat · Weathercock · weathercock logic · weather.com ... weather eye isn't defined. Can you define it?
ben_vulpes: ;;ud weather eye
assbot: The Racial Slur Database
mats_cd03: slant referring to the eyes
mats_cd03: slope refers to the forehead, i belieb
mircea_popescu: there's nothing people hate more than abstraction.
mircea_popescu: just as long as they don't have to interact with it abstractly, of course.
mircea_popescu: and in point of fact people love nothing more than math. that's the only thing they'll dedicate their lives to.
mircea_popescu: eulora is not an eyecandy delivery device like every other mmorpg out there, competing in a saturated market without a bottom.
mircea_popescu: this is the reason the game's even worth playing in the first place. the frigging loot functions.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Do tell. I've always wondered how they worked.
mircea_popescu: it'd harder than mpex. this shit where i write the loot functions... god fucking help me i've never seen a more complex problem.
mircea_popescu: this eulora game engine thing is the hardest thing i ever fcking did.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` http://posters.lardbucket.org/ is this the sorriest thing you ever saw or what
mthreat: went karting here wednesday, and have the bruises to prove it :)
pete_dushenski: mthreat: ya that lotus is lovely. not that i'd kick the 928 out of bed either, esp. with that plate.
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mthreat: dents from rocks may be hard to see in the pics
mthreat: there are some broken windows at least
mircea_popescu: they just look like dirt racers.
mircea_popescu: mthreat so i don't get it... where is the damage ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder how much the k troop paid for this anyway
mthreat: pics of the stoned cars, broken windows
mircea_popescu: what are the veterans going to do, bomb you ?
mircea_popescu: An Argentinian technician hired for the Top Gear shoot is said to have been injured after a stone thrown by one of the demonstrators hit him in the face.
mircea_popescu: Film crew reportedly told officers at the first checkpoint they reached after passing through Tolhuin: "We're leaving the cars, we don't want more problems. Burn them if you want but we're getting out of here."
pete_dushenski: ok that's good shit right there
pete_dushenski: Chai Yan hit out at those taunting her saying, "Actually maybe I shouldn't say 'all you'- since most of you here are probably unemployed hence all this time obsessed with bombarding me with messages". She later said, "It's ok, your mother still loves you".
pete_dushenski: "The necklace on my profile pic is not a dog collar, silly!!!" she said. "This is actually a beautiful necklace bought at Lane Crawford (yes - funded by all you HK taxpayers!! So are all my beautiful shoes and dresses and clutches!! Thank you so much!!!!)".
mircea_popescu: it's better cause you don't even need to define them, just feed them off the op's insecurities.
thickasthieves: probly more fun to make up racist names than learn them anyway
mircea_popescu: because you definitely care as much as they do!!! because you must, because otherwise are you implying they're fucking idiots ?!?
mircea_popescu: and everyone's so fucking self-important about it, you know ? necessarily you musta known whatever retarded subtext they're familiar with
mircea_popescu: i didn't know "spook" was nigger until i saw that hopkins film, either.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slope | Vietnam-era charlie. Any asian resembeling one of the 'reds'.
mircea_popescu feels totally out of the loop
pete_dushenski: lol ya me neither.
pete_dushenski: "The furore comes just days after Top Gear producers apologised for a "light-hearted" joke by Clarkson during filming in Myanmar and Thailand, in which he referred to a "slope" on a bridge as an Asian man crossed a makeshift structure built by the presenters."
pete_dushenski: "Clarkson, 54, was called before BBC bosses this week after The Mirror newspaper reported he was heard using the word "nigger" as he recited an old version of the rhyme Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moe to choose between cars in filming two years ago."
pete_dushenski: so turns out the size of teh eligible us labour force is ~243 mn as of 2012
mthreat: but the show is still great to watch, for entertainment
mthreat: Personally I think it's all staged, just as the Tesla battery dying incident was staged
mthreat: and they supposedly got stoned by alabamans
mthreat: they did it in Alabama too. They wrote "Hillary for President", "NASCAR Sucks", and "Man-love rules" on their cars
gribble: Jeremy Clarkson, Master-Level Troll, Trolls Entire Nation Of Argentina: <http://jalopnik.com/jeremy-clarkson-master-level-troll-trolls-entire-nati-1641630169>; Actress Wants Top Gear Off The Air Over 'Racist' Joke - Jalopnik: <http://jalopnik.com/actress-wants-top-gear-off-the-air-over-racist-joke-1553626493>; Jeremy Clarkson lays into British as Twitter trolls mock death of his (1 more message)
mthreat: "He added that the numbers 646 on James May's Lotus could be taken as a reference to the 649 Argentinian casualties."
thickasthieves: or has he trolled in the past too?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: clarkson "trolled" argentinians about the falklands wars
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf happened there.
thickasthieves: so there
pete_dushenski: she thinks she can add value to the sun
pete_dushenski: so i sayz to ethel i sayz: "What value do I add to the sun? What makes you think that anyone can "add value" to something that just… exists?" and y'know what she sayz to me? "ok, that's why you're not worth listening to. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever on any level."
thickasthieves: fukn steward of the culture
gribble: Amoraim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoraim>; Amoraim - Jewish Virtual Library: <http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0002_0_01018.html>; TANNAIM AND AMORAIM - JewishEncyclopedia.com: <http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14240-tannaim-and-amoraim>
thickasthieves: like not a rabbi, but some other word that meant something
pete_dushenski: which, if taken as a recognition of my numeracy rather than my grandparents' ibm tats, is fairly complimentary
punkman: 'Studies have shown that some species of algae can produce 60% or more of their dry weight in the form of oil"
punkman: ben_vulpes, you don't need to mess with genetics, just use them as biomass, feed into machine
ben_vulpes: don't you have to do abhorrent things to their genetics to get them to poop diesel? i'm just talking about rendering the grass/beans into alcohols i think.
thestringpuller: not trolling or being facetious, but being oriented on the community without giving in mindlessly to the community
punkman: (they "predict" how many calls to send out to get someone to pickup and talk to the agents)
thestringpuller: is there a way to be community minded without being a socialist?
punkman: I get some robo calls that are silent then go "Goodbye!" and hangup
pete_dushenski: he was "cto" at blockchain for a bit. then went on a radio silence week-long vacation while they got megahaxxored.
assbot: I met (and liked) JR when I met him at the /hashtag/bitlicense?src=hash hearings; he should've taken me up on my offer to look at his drafts. /hashtag/halfbaked?src=hash
thickasthieves: neverthemore
thestringpuller: maybe not a valuable one but a job nevertheless
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: seamonster can't afford ramen noodles. he ain't paying anyone to be on his derpy little show.
pete_dushenski: the googs hangout was live, yt is recorded
thickasthieves: cant find the chat box tho
thestringpuller: the ability to be embedded in C programs...
pete_dushenski: just they must approve usd eur parity
ben_vulpes: no you see the eu must approve it
thickasthieves: they didnt already buy it?
thickasthieves: whomever spends the least bitcoin to pay wins
ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: what's the formal rule?
thickasthieves: maybe you win the contest
bounce: ``Few people of attainments take easily to a plan of self-improvement. Some discover very early their perfection cannot endure the insult. Others find their intellectual pleasure lies in the theory, not the practice. Only a few stubborn ones will blunder on, painfully, out of the luxuriant world of their pretensions into the desert of mortification and reward.'' -- Voss, Patrick White
assbot: The KLF - Justified & Ancient (All Bound...) - YouTube
RagnarDanneskjol: you lost me ben. not sure its productive to discuss further. I would love to have hiring managers who can do my job for me tho
ben_vulpes: the defense rests, your honor.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2014 12:39:02; ninjashogun: The second is a services / consulting company in the field of jobs. cf. hired.com
RagnarDanneskjol: i create the db of resumes
RagnarDanneskjol: some of the jobs I place only have a few dozen qualified ppl on the planet - they take months to locate
RagnarDanneskjol: how does a manager locate talent? i still don't understand. it is a full-time job sourcing for any given position.. doing a thourough targeted search. unless the job reqs are fairly loose.
ben_vulpes: what about the first kid he trotted through here?
bounce: HR can take care of the paperwork, and "managing" appointments and such. but building the team is up to the manager, not to the recruiter.
ben_vulpes: typically the interview is aborted by pitches like yours.
RagnarDanneskjol: you intervieeww them
ben_vulpes: finding people who can do sales lead gen is hard enough, how the fuck am i to trust someone whose technical competence i have no notion of to identify people with technical talent?
ben_vulpes: maybe someday i'll outsource leadgen, but i've yet to find anyone to trust with the job because they all sound as full of shit as you.
ben_vulpes: tis a part of the job, identifying and bringing on collaborators.
RagnarDanneskjol: how do you locate them? its a full time job
bounce refers to the google study on a related subject
RagnarDanneskjol: you understand how it makes sense to have someone dedicated to locating the best talent available is bettter than hoping talent finds you?
ben_vulpes: you're also ignoring the "whole team does recruiting" strategy.
RagnarDanneskjol: again - that is a staffing agency - different and I agree they are wasteful
bounce: IMO that's a worse policy, since it muddles the input needlessly
bounce: pfft. instead of some consultancy throwing out the adverts and pouring their "special sauce" over the incoming applications?
RagnarDanneskjol: Oh so the company only hires candidates who happen to find their open position - bad policy