mircea_popescu: because yea, totally, not being able to tell the nation to go fuck itself and mind its own business on live tv is everyone else's fault but the president's.
decimation: they certainly had means, motive and opportunity
mircea_popescu: much like the more aged libtards today are rewriting the story of clinton's lauhgable gullibiility/idiocy in terms of "hysteria"
mircea_popescu: decimation there's an entire conspiracy theory built on the premise that it was really because of the rf thing that the "left" "set him up"
Shakespeare: no complaints about the SR bet resolution it seems
justusranvier: tomorrow is the daniel krawisz reviewing Nick Szebo's "Shelling Out" as a money origin theory
assbot: Following the Trail Nixon Blazed | National Review Online
decimation: apparently nixcon actually considered denying the "RF broadcast licenses" of political enemies: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/373218/following-trail-nixon-blazed-victor-davis-hanson -- last time I heard someone slightly right-wing come up with a winning strategy
justusranvier: by "produce" I mean I set up the Hangout on Air
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the entire "thief screaming thief" and "consumate liar discussing other's dna-sutured bla bla" is rather amusing
decimation: I find it hilarious that the lefties in the us keep raising the fear that 'evil republicans will raise money to buy elections' while failing to notice that the lefties receive 'in-kind' contributions from us media worth $bns
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal seems bout even neh ?
mircea_popescu: justusranvier that was the idea, give it a little editorial anchor
decimation: maybe they can sign up Mr. Ramey as a guest author
mircea_popescu: http://www.thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con << dude the libtard periphery press is awesome
mircea_popescu: "It would be interesting, that is, to ask Coulter about the reflex of lying thats now sutured into the modern conservative movements DNAand to get her candid assessment of why conservative leaders treat their constituents like suckers."
Shakespeare: the qntra blaw should be called uuddlrlrbastart
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decimation: obviously the dude is unfamiliar with engineering stuff. it's quite customary to ask for development costs up front, on the assumption that several will be bought
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yeah, i guess the bitbet bets are probably the cheapest/most open avenue at the moment.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if the requirements to take delivery were too cumbersome or wtf exactly.
mircea_popescu: decimation oddly the fully delivered euro future never got very much volumne, historically.
los_pantalones: how much is mpex these days ?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones so charge the man an entry fee.
los_pantalones: but otherwise i can offer you those facilities
kakobrekla: i have in the past dumped coins to sturles and left fiat waiting with him for some months before i decided to repurchase/get fiat
Shakespeare: the premise here was wishing mpex had a way to trade against USD
mircea_popescu: then im confused.
mircea_popescu: im not in the business of making sites which "maybe" will make random joe blow rich.
mircea_popescu: that the derps in question will take something that "maybe" will deliver them the impossible, rather than something that makes it plain it ain't happening is entirely their problem.
mircea_popescu: that a bunch of sites promise to do this has everything to do with the promising and nothing to do with the delivering.
Shakespeare: i aint asking for the world, you used to offer option after all
mircea_popescu: maybe i should replace obama, but in such a way as to make the usg work the way you want it to ?
Shakespeare: but i'm saying plz replace them
Shakespeare: i know you wouldnt buy them
bounce: you're fired up because you want to pitch, and you get rebuffed. gone investment, gone good monies! rage! and it goes downhill from there. -- there's an implied promise with this idea that I'm not happy with.
Shakespeare: yes they do
bounce: think about it. suppose you're neither l1 or l2, and you stick money in it. you start your valuable because costly pitch. then someone puts the !down on you.
Shakespeare: every !down puts 10satoshi debt on their wot
Shakespeare: so we !down them
bounce: hmno. initially I'd say as long as it isn't the only way. but you'd get peddlers expecting to be heard for their money. you know, query floods, rageddos, etc.
kakobrekla: 1 satoshi per char for all so everyone will shut the fuck up!
Shakespeare: good way to offset the chill factor from !up
Shakespeare: <+mircea_popescu> guy puts 1 bitcent in, gets a !up from assbot. // might be on to something there
Shakespeare: yay on the SR auction bet resolution!
Shakespeare: <+mircea_popescu> thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ? /// well, i'll start with the moon: just buy bitfinex and offer the whole shebang! otherwise, just would be nice to trade somewhere more private, transparent and trustworthy. The product could be options,
decimation: note to young 'progressive' 'open source' coders: you have swallowed the kool-aid. If you actually want to make a difference and not end up like Mr. Ramey, please focus on the pipes, from the silicon up.
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/technology/security-experts-expect-shellshock-software-bug-to-be-significant.html "Mr. Ramey said in an interview on Thursday that he believed he inadvertently introduced Shellshock in a new Bash feature in 1992, though he could not be sure because back then he was not keeping comprehensive logs. "
decimation: ben_vulpes: saauce is easy to find, here's one http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/when-the-bourne-shell-found-its-identity.html
Dimsler: will you stop with the play by play market updates
TheNewDeal: another wall, eh
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mircea_popescu: ;;google but thanks for all the fishes
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price. << lol! those causes.
mircea_popescu: kurdistan is in the 20th century now ?
mircea_popescu: at the rate things are going, this curiosity looks likely to be satisfied.
mircea_popescu: i'd be very curious to see first hand if the us based, usg fed "feminists" in the us would actually pick a rifle and a picket, when it comes to it.
mircea_popescu: gotta say i lub the kurdish chicks
assbot: GRAPHIC: Islamic State fighter w/ head of female Kurdish fighter after entering Kobani. US strikes did 0 to halt them http://t.co/IfdbZEXpkZ
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: heavy water comes for free out of your faucet.
TheNewDeal: might find a couple street bums trapped in there too
mircea_popescu: i imagine if that thing's in use for a few centuries the bugs living in the pipe will be pretty wow.
TheNewDeal: would be interesting to taste the inbetween state
TheNewDeal: so does a new beer just flush out the old?
decimation: re: pipes http://rt.com/news/191132-belgium-build-beer-pipe/ "An underground pipeline carrying 5,700 liters of beer an hour will be built in Belgium’s historic city of Bruges. A family-owned brewery will pump beer direct to a bottling plant in the suburbs to cut the number of trucks on ancient cobbled streets."
decimation: I suspect parts of usg/its agents are working against each other
mircea_popescu: macro events are visible, and the forest-for-trees problem is something one can approach with training and talent
mircea_popescu: i think these live on different abstraction levels
decimation: if they are both connected to the same von neumann machine (or network of such machines) you can't be certain
decimation: I was thinking about this last night. How can you be certain that your hvac control pipe is not connected to the self-destruct thermite bomb pipe?
mircea_popescu: which happens to be correct, and peripherally a point i've oft made, say how "bitcoin is not the derps"
mircea_popescu: in fact, if you get the pipe right, it doesn't even actually matter if you get anything else right
asciilifeform: !s the spittoon
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of my heresies are in fact in one strand. this is how i ended up 'drinking the spittoon.'
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/05/finding-your-life-purpose-isnt-your-path-to-improving-the-world-survival-is/
mircea_popescu: these actually merge.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2014 18:47:24; mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2014 18:32:30; mircea_popescu: i gotta say btw, the pipe is like... the greatest invention ever.
asciilifeform: von neumann's basic problem is a terrifically bad implementation of the ordinary pipe concept.
bounce: lay down the pipe and open a window. slowly!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pipe - is everything. (hence my crackpot pushing of dataflow as replacement for von neumann computation, etc)
decimation: 'the pipe'?
mircea_popescu: in a sense, thinking about it... the usg problems come down to a poor implementation of the pipe.
decimation: TheNewDeal: that's the point, thus the usg is responsible for their actions, as mp just wrote
decimation: many in the us are easily confused on this point
asciilifeform: in what way are these folks meaningfully separate entities from usg?
mircea_popescu: that's the allegation.
mircea_popescu: tyvm for doing the digging.
decimation: there's alot of btc that wants to be washed
decimation: well, someone is 'renting' all those miners for over the expected return
bounce: apparently it was mr. reid who thought putin doesn't understand how the world works: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2014-03-27/html/CREC-2014-03-27-pt1-PgS1781-6.htm
decimation: heh the treasury dept. using otc?
TheNewDeal: I looked up the stashes today
asciilifeform: decimation: it was washed in the most elementary way
mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass.
mircea_popescu: easier to sit on a ledge than to replace the cattle.
mircea_popescu: it's one of those win-win/lose-lose scenarios. basically they're cutting their herds to drown us in blood
asciilifeform: and i suspect usg also gets it. they're banking on just one hope, killing btc somehow through stampede
mircea_popescu: that's the model.
mircea_popescu: but there's no bomb here.
asciilifeform: do they give a damn?
decimation: so it would actually be legal to blast it off the air
mircea_popescu: as the obligation to repay btc held on the usg is actually going to increase somewhat faster than the btc itself
asciilifeform: when usg sets off a bomb in iraqanistan, the metal, trotyl, guidance circuits - are also 'sold' and 'below market' also.
decimation: re: ham bands << the point is that the 'law' already gave those frequencies to the hams, except when it would inconvenience a company to redesign the product
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't even imagine who would be dumb enough to lend btc to usg, considering the gold obligations affair
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: usg wasted another hundred million... << if they can't power the waterfall with debt, they'll power it with plundered btc (as being done now, at least as suggested by the publicly known facts.)
mircea_popescu: because totally, the fact that we can actually do the above now is not economical or valuable.
mircea_popescu: ideally it'd work on the powers of two. first time a week, 1 bitcent, then 2 4 8 etc
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: learn to use your killfile. i did - when first met with mr. spam.
jurov: install an app for every little thing you want to do. oh and pay for the privilege.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how one is supposed to have an os without a pipe. ipads, winboxes, the whole shebang. how ?
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> jurov bribe like, with money ?! < with the coins he got from daniel in the first place
hanbot: mircea_popescu re your latest, didja read the comments on that krugman abortion? no wonder he's all bitter and loath to detail, guy's own readergroup is throwing tomatoes by now.
Dimsler: like the jackolantern market peaks in mid november
mircea_popescu: why let facts and scores get in the way of things. besides, scoring is raycist
mircea_popescu: every single time they've met in the field the russian feed the kenyan's ass to him, but hey.
mircea_popescu: you know who understands how the world works ? obama lmao. putin doesn't.
mircea_popescu: o look at that. the derp in question was obama
gribble: Russian View: Why Putin Is Not Impressed | Wolf Street: <http://wolfstreet.com/2014/07/21/russian-point-of-view-new-sanctions-wont-impress-putin/>; Why America doesn't understand Putin - The Washington Post: <http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-america-doesnt-understand-putin/2014/03/14/81bc1cd6-a9f4-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html>; Has Putin pulled military back from (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google "putin doesn't understand how the world works"
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's a reference to this idiotic comment by some us derp or other
bounce: he doesn't? I see him make much better decisions (from his perspective) than either the EU or the US (from their respective perspectives)
mircea_popescu: bounce putin doesn't understand how the world works.
bounce: http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iran/daesh-document-disclose-plans-to-seize-iran-s-nuclear-secrets-1.1394455 -- too bad it doesn't tell why they think putin would go along with what they want
mircea_popescu: i think about half of that comes in the form of extremely intense rain
TheNewDeal: pretty humid it looks like? https://weatherspark.com/averages/33323/Buenos-Aires-Capital-Federal-Argentina
Dimsler: argeninta in the spring is gorgeous
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 12 days. Estimated cost today: 4.23973791 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/
bounce: ham bands work best when they're the same world-wide. also, ham operators are remarkably useful in SHTF situations, and otherwise are very little bother since they tend to know their stuff. so no, it's neither smart nor expedient to try and relocate them. much easier to not be assholes and play nice from the start.
assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/ << silkroad bet resolved and other considerations
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal no data atm.
kakobrekla: its prolly not a good idea that all the filtering is left up to me
jurov: ohmy. remove me from the bash admin before i make bigger mess
TheNewDeal: is huobi volume considered legitimate, or were they included on the bucket-shop scam list?
TheNewDeal: and as quickly as the wall appeared, its gone
PeterL: mircea_popescu: have you found anything interesting to do with the huge amounts of cash held by MPIF?
ben_vulpes: decimation: for the headbash author
TheNewDeal: Krugman trying to drive a few pageviews http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/the-long-cryptocon/?_php=true&_type=blogs&pagewanted=all&_r=0
mircea_popescu: not so in bitcoin. getting rid of the tardstalk/reddit/etc "community" and burning a bunch of "experts" is a fucking godsend, if they'll just stfu about it and move on to their next cool thing that'd be great.
mircea_popescu: jurov: don't want to end up with whole position on F.MPIF side << why not ? i'll just unwind it. the latest report actually says so, didja read it ?
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 30000 bitcoins right now would take 9007328.7238 USD and would take the last price up to 323.3100 USD, resulting in an average price of 300.2443 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 50.2833 seconds
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ?
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 2998710.2763 USD and would take the last price up to 300.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 299.8710 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 33.2073 seconds
mircea_popescu: jurov: i feel like no one is looking to mpex and nobody notices stuff anymore << no, i noticed, left the guy a later tell.
mircea_popescu: decimation: Later they opted to operate more bots in the ham band <<< seems a reasonable solution, really. emergency ham band requisition. what'd you have them do ?
mircea_popescu: mthreat: ben_vulpes: I had assumed the l-39 went for around $1M, but they actually go for $175k up to $500k depending on avionics, refurbishing, etc <<< the opcost is the bigger problem there
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not really in your best interest. if you manage to mess with the plane's comms you might even crash it
mircea_popescu: they still gotta get a cert to be allowed to import it.
The20YearIRCloud: It does,but when we fly it outside there isn't any wifi interuption it sems
The20YearIRCloud: Granted it's an easy fix - don't fly the helicopter inside
The20YearIRCloud: the router i believe switches channels automatically when there's a signal blocking it, i think the helicopter thing is just so leaky that it prevents the wifi sinal
The20YearIRCloud: Well this is nice, i didn't realize the controller for my kids quadcopter was a 2.4ghz device. It jams our home's wifi signal
jurov digests the information
mircea_popescu: they're used to being scammed.
mircea_popescu: eh, they're chinese
thickasthieves: but i do worry for people using their exchanges
mircea_popescu: you know, just like the $ amt someone paid for their supposed stash is not public knowledge.
mircea_popescu: jurov i am serious, it is not public knowledge either.
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life. /// maybe the guy just had particularly distracting skin, probly not, but ive seen such before
jurov: who borrowed btc to them?
mircea_popescu: the beauty of it all is that it does.
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 3875629.8332 USD and would take the last price up to 491.5800 USD, resulting in an average price of 387.5630 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0915 seconds
mircea_popescu: nevertheless in amusement terms it's quite something.
mircea_popescu: ohohohoho notrly. while the abject selfdebasing of the highschool priss is exactly of zero practical weight, as there are more pleasant girls and better trained, so one'd never seriously use her for a direct purpose,
mircea_popescu: i'll prolly have a special lotion designed for the experience.
mircea_popescu: if they end up defaulting because misjudged their strength and got head bit off by bitcoin i'll have the most satisfying wank conceivable by man
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price. < way easier to default
mircea_popescu: his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life.
mircea_popescu: is this some sort of braindamged feminism run amok where they imagine that if they "microagress" the patriarchy by discussing thiel as if he were some made-to-fuck-once-and-discard popstarlet something's gonna happen ?
mircea_popescu: "Tall and thin with close-cropped hair and ageless skin" what the motherfucking shit is wrong with these people.
mircea_popescu: matrix ? nah. the us anti-intellectualism fully at work : technology as the magic of the evil, desocialised, psychopathic dr evil.
jurov: transcendence or how it was called was rather positive about tech
The20YearIRCloud: The matrix
dub: tbh 'they' have continue to display a good level of brain damage
mircea_popescu: "Name a science fiction movie in the last 25 years that shows technology in a positive light, says Peter Thiel << anything made in asia ?
thickasthieves: mp yeha it got to a point where there were too many unique open cases and balancing the transfer books was impossible
mircea_popescu: it marginally beats even the wall street derps doing gauss copulae on excel spreadsheets
mircea_popescu: their retarded "we'll issue shares, but on glbse ; we'll keep the shares, but on our own ah-doc registry" was perhaps the most braindamaged piece of financial management ever displayed to the public.
mircea_popescu: i think The20YearIRCloud uses it
thickasthieves: and the only securities woth consideration are probably on mpex
jdany_: Yep. So, do you guys stay active in Havelock - or are there other securities that I don't have exposure to
mircea_popescu: also there's a dedicated search function
mircea_popescu: the log should provide ample reading material to catch up.
jdany_: I was wondering where some of the more active names were going...
mircea_popescu: i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price.
assbot: Silver Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday << this being the tardpedia discussion on the topic.
thickasthieves: jdany messaged me on bitcointalk asking why i left, i explained there was no reason to stay and that here is better
mircea_popescu: the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price.
thickasthieves: 5000btc wall at 300$, someone really doesnt wanna lose the bitbet
thickasthieves: they
thickasthieves: this, after the league made a deal with Bose
jurov: oh they're liquidating as i'm writing...lemme see
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
thickasthieves: itd also be nice if the pricing werent abstracted in some fukt way that i need a spreadsheet just to know values
thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges
thickasthieves: hl just has the mining thing, AM holdouts, and RENT IPOz
jurov: i'm then reluctant to invest time and effort into improving coinbr, too
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: ;;later tell davout you really don't need help with x.eur MM bot? i don't even remmeber when there were any asks
dub: or encase them in a protective foam/substance
decimation: if one would go to the trouble of engineering an ejection system, why not add a parachute for each seat?
decimation: Later they opted to operate more bots in the ham band: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-denies-arrl-em-petition-em-to-deny-reconrobotics-licenses-but-limits-devices-to-100-khz-bandwidt
decimation: hams were pissed, asked fcc to reconsider - fcc reconsidered and said "yeah you can operate your bot in the ham band"
decimation: asciilifeform: there is an amusing side story to that little two-wheeled bot - it's called the 'recon scout'. Turns out that it was made for the us military, who don't give a shit about civilian usg frequency allocation rules. When they wanted to sell it in the us, they had to get a special note from Stalin because it was actually operating ... in the middle of the ham band: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-allows-robotic-device-in-
thickasthieves: livin on the edge
thickasthieves: here comes the despair!
thickasthieves: would be more fun to see them choked out
thickasthieves: also note there are like $20m in margin longs on bfx
thickasthieves: yet the USD swap data is current