BingoBoingo: If you get the success to get a big old role of drink tickets with your invite to speak at an event not using the decreases your compensation. Also drinking to forget clears crud out of the brain.
midnightmagic: BingoBoingo: You mean aside from every major talk he's given in the last X years in front of an audience and bragged about how he got blotto'd the night before?
BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: But where is the evidence Linus can't
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, Red Hat gave him the platform. Fedora has close ties with Gnome... Basically one mole and a turdware vendor set up dominoes.
midnightmagic: Other people being able to handle, or not, their drinking has nothing to do with whether Linus can.
BingoBoingo: What is this shit? Did Hemmingway's drinking get in the way? Did Hunter S. Thompson's drinking get in the way? Maybe drinking is what keeps Linus effective in the face of Poetterings?
midnightmagic: Also his drinking gets in the way of being a functional human.
midnightmagic: I don't really care much about his attitude. But his brain is malfunctioning because he is drunk all the time.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Thanks. I'll make sure cazalla sees the praise.
dub: not sure about the pink
BingoBoingo: Poettering on Linus: "But more importantly, I'd actually put some blame on a certain circle of folks that play a major role in kernel development, and first and foremost Linus Torvalds himself. By many he is a considered a role model, but he is quite a bad one. If he posts words like "[specific folks] ...should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that?"
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mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "The term "palimony" is not a legal or historical term, but rather a colloquial portmanteau of the words pal and alimony coined by celebrity divorce attorney Marvin Mitchelson in 1977 when his client Michelle Triola Marvin filed an unsuccessful suit against the actor Lee Marvin."
mircea_popescu: fucking arsonists these people.
mircea_popescu: yea prolly gonna bust that 41 or 43 or w/e the bet was
thickasthieves: AM is selling $0.33/GH now, i wonder if thatmeans theyll pay divs again
assbot: The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ for absolutely no reason.
thickasthieves: ftr i was never offered the position :)
mircea_popescu: lettuce never learn from the mistakes of asicminer. lettuce forever be speshul and cover the same wrong turns.
thickasthieves: "After Overstock builds its cryptosecurity software—which will likely take several months—Byrne intends to present the system to regulators for approval. But this may be difficult to win, because the SEC and the incumbent banks are so set in their ways."
mircea_popescu: "According to the report, a work for successfully enforcing the schooling has been dynamically pushed forward as the one involving the whole state, all people and the whole society and signal successes have been made in it."
gribble: psterryl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <psterryl> how many individual trades there were
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mircea_popescu: TomServo> Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck. << but that's what you were there for right ?
gribble: Sent 7 minutes ago: <sgornick> Re: Qntra.net, I registered @Qntra on Twitter before some griefer /squatter did. Then put a Twitterfeed to push tweets from the RSS feed. When you want the twitter acct, let me know what e-mail to assign it to. It can't be an e-mail already used for any other twitter account.
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> yeah, that'd stop realtime anything <<< realtime and trust don't mix. the fundamental is this old thing from coinpal : http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/
mircea_popescu: still the major problem will be that while on average say it's an ideal market, 0% bias, that average has a poisson distribution of maybe 15% each way, so any individual buyer could see a price fuzziness as close to 30% as his luck gets.
Naphex: and there is just this php tat would IPC with it using shmop lol
Naphex: punkman: the deamon which parsesd bitcoind data dir, uses shmop as IPC
punkman: from coinspark server thing, sounds safe "PHP compiled with the --enable-shmop option, since the PHP script communicates with the compiled C process via shared memory."
dignork: Naphex: still, as far as I can see they fail to provide any usefull functionality besides what already done in counterparty. Impossibility to spend/destroy assets by dumb wallet is a nice touch, but that's it.
Naphex: dignork: yeah, the only thing that i mind is that you can't have asset tracking servers track everything
dignork: Naphex: coinspark << another OP_RETURN riding model, similar to counterparty. Cool part - SPV, but it actually relies on asset tracking servers: http://coinspark.org/create-asset/asset-tracking-server/
xanthyos: wow btc is in the black!
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski that's moderately interesting. do you think the pink whale's responsible?
dionyziz: Thanks for the link, I will read it.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, conceptually similar to your thing, sure. people agreeing on a trade and exchanging the money and signing the contract in a pseudonymous manner.
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: The problem I am trying to solve in OpenBazaar is in particular how two pseudonymous agents can trust each other without knowing each other.
dionyziz: I'm familiar with the concept of GPG-signing a personal contract.
dignork: dionyziz: Another potential problem: decentralized arbitration will act as random oracle. If arbiters will keep bias towards buyer, sellers will increase prices to compensate. Bias towards sellers will make buyers to seek discount >= bias rate. Assuming sellers will have to maintain their ratings, risk will mainly be on the seller side, this risk will be priced in. Do you have any estimates on the
mircea_popescu: dionyziz don't take things the wrong way, there's plenty of work to do for people wanting to be useful. it's just important not to waste the enthusiasm of youth on dead ends.
thickasthieves: shit remember that lot jutarul sold on the forum at 5btc?
mircea_popescu: (and here's a riot, 1.2k asicminer full shares ? aka 6k btc at the peak ? history!)
mircea_popescu: pseudonymous parties agreeing on a trade, exchanging money and signing the contract.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/asicminer-agreementtxt.asc << there you go.
dionyziz: We want to allow people to agree on a trade and exchange the money and sign the contract in a pseudonymous manner.
dionyziz: in OpenBazaar we want to maintain anonymity at the point of trade.
dionyziz: As I said, in OpenBazaar we don't try to solve the problem of shipping.
brianhoffman: hey all i have to run. very busy day but i am enjoying the convo. i will be back.
thestringpuller: and they will fine you
thestringpuller: they WILL find you
thestringpuller: drones are not going to work in the US
mircea_popescu: but yes, for that thin sliver where carders and snowden wanna pass along secrets, there's something.
dionyziz: There are ideas to make shipping more untrackable.
mircea_popescu: and in being controlling, it'll control. which means it'll shape the marketplace.
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman well sure, but it doesn't so much matter if it's a meatspace issue or not. what matters is that it's the controlling issue
bounce: not all trades involve items shipped, and where they do the users of any system, decentralised or not, basically have to provide their own safety. cut-outs and that sort of thing. it does put a bit of a damper as to what is reasonable to advertise.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz b ecause you're leaking information through the shipping. think of it in crypto terms, you're using a 8 bit key on an amiga as part of the process.
brianhoffman: well i think that mirrors real life rather well. as your “image” becomes larger your activity becomes less indistinguishable from others.
mircea_popescu: at which point you either go to jail or backstab your users
mircea_popescu: well, for as long as you're small nobody cares that you're moving contraband back and forth, because it's not meaningfully discernible from the general noise of the system
brianhoffman: and those engaging in privacy conscious behavior will know to protect as best they can out of band from OpenBazaar
mircea_popescu: and since you can't really tell people what to do, you will end up in that conflict whether you want to or not.
mircea_popescu: i gather. but the thing is, that challenge will unravel whatever model you may build.
brianhoffman: but i don’t believe we’re proposing a solution here at the moment for that challenge
brianhoffman: are you implying that the anonymity is simply thrown out the window once you begin shipping purchased items? i’m feeling dense here.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz are you familiar with the discussion of multicentrality vs decentralisation ?
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman your proposition is to somehow weld them together, but because you can not practically remove the problem of 1, it'll still revert to something similar, inevitably.
dionyziz: This is the main reason we think bitcoin-otc wot is inadequate.
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman no, it's not. looky here, let's model it. there are 3 items of interest. 1. the shipping of purchased items ; 2. the discussion of trade, ie, merchant and buyer meeting hteir minds ; 3. the payment for purchases. now, these 3 can be sorted in any which way. otc for instance sorts it that 2 is gpg over email or an irc channel, 1 is mail and 3 is the wot.
dionyziz: The first issue we have with bitcoin-otc is its Achilles' heel.
dionyziz: Some of these ideas are detailed in my paper, but keep in mind that my paper is incomplete and just lays out some of our thoughts. We are improving on it and thinking about additional things.
mircea_popescu: but anyway! thanks, and dun worry about it, you're not being griled in the sense of having been a bad boy
dionyziz: And it's an important asset for the bitcoin community.
dionyziz: As for your question regarding improvements over your bitcoin-otc wot work, I'd like to first say that we appreciate the work you've done.
mircea_popescu: well that was @ brianhoffman. you, i asked how you aim to improve the wot as it is
mircea_popescu: dionyziz that is rather basic, but anyway, much better than nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman let me restate it. since shipping precludes practical anonimity, it makes sense to bundle the trust required to maintain pseudonymous identities with the trust required to police transactions, resulting in the following cutting of your mayo : centralized trade with decentralized comm network. which reduces your idea to reimplementing gpg over email.
mircea_popescu: dionyziz the first.
brianhoffman: the issue of shipping ties in nicely with the discussion about arbitration and third-parties in trade transactions
dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Are you talking about the bitcoin-otc wot, the gpg wot, the freenet wot, which one exatly?
mircea_popescu: dionyziz well not so much on your ideas whatever they may be, but moreover, how familiar are you with the wot as it works and is implemented currently ?
brianhoffman: mircea_popescu did you see dionyziz’ paper that we have up online? i posted the link earlier
dionyziz: I'm very interested in hearing them, especially if you disagree with our proposals.
brianhoffman: and also I am not the guitarist for Deicide lol
pete_dushenski: and he was even "distinctive" enough to pass out cold at a conference dinner while being referenced by the speaker on stage. see: http://contravex.com/2014/04/16/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/
thickasthieves: there's this interview with him and hearn where he's just gushing
thickasthieves: is that the bowtie guy
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i don't recall, do we like j tucker ? << o mr. sleepyhead? there's definitely worse muppets out on the "conference" scene.
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pete_dushenski: mebbe ima take a video of a nekkid chick takin a picture of it then approve that
thickasthieves: approve a picture of the comment, kill two birds
pete_dushenski: so good i'm tempted to approve the comment
pete_dushenski: video or a pic or two to get people excited about what you've written. In my opinion, it would make your website a little bit more interesting." << lol these sp4mmers
pete_dushenski: "Everything published was very logical. But, consider this, what if you were to create a awesome title? I ain't suggesting your content is not good., however suppose you added something that makes people want more? I mean IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski is a little plain. You could glance at Yahoo's front page and see how they create news titles to grab viewers to open the links. You might add a
kakobrekla: so even if you unrate/negrate you can not down that person, not cause of cache but cause they self upped
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#860305 < several problems with that, id fix if there would be a good solution. problem 1: !down would depend on gribbles presence, now it does not since down does not check wot but if a person self upped or not. problem 2: afaik even wot api is cached
mircea_popescu: then you declare you're innocent, a week later they let you go because it was a mistake and there you go, two extra points. maybe three.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 it's simple, have some people friendly in the press over at your hotel, have a policeman come and arrest you and confiscate a huge bundle of flour.
indiancandy1: the camera was only zooming
mircea_popescu: yeah looks like they want to set you up for a heel role.
mircea_popescu: lol and fakekissing the guy ? ok, this was entertaining
bounce: senile tremor on the enter key?
mircea_popescu: hm. never been there.
indiancandy1: at the moment in up
mircea_popescu: (reason being that they proly learned english from 70yo little old ladies)
thickasthieves: would it be absurd for me to suggest that bitcoin volatility has a base shape, which appears as fractals and distorts according to current trend? sorta like an elliot wave or bubble pattern? something like the shape of the algorithm as averaged by combinining all trade bots and human behavior?
mircea_popescu: total comedy gold these people
mircea_popescu: was drinking a bottle of Jack Daniel's every night before I went onstage and another bottle while I was playing. That starts catching up with you real quick, and I started going blind in my right eye. So after a nice scare at the doctor's office about four years ago, I stopped."
mircea_popescu: Benton: "Yeah, they're real nice guys. We're in the process of suing them right now for slander and everything else, dude. They're going around telling people I'm addicted to methamphetamine. You know what? Who hasn't experimented with a few things in their life? Big deal. So what if I experimented? They did, too! But, look, I don't even drink anymore, man. I mean, I'll have a Heineken every once in a while, but I
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: yup.
mircea_popescu: Benton: "It's been the fucking greatest thing in the world. Those two are a couple of idiots, man. I hate Eric and Brian Hoffman more than anything in this world, and I will not rest until I put shit straight with the fans. Up 'til now, everybody thinks I kicked them out of the band, but nobody kicked anybody out. They quit on their own, and I wanna set the record straight in regard to those two fuckin' pricks."
mircea_popescu: Decibel: Has it been weird writing songs without the Hoffman brothers [Eric and Brian, former DEICIDE guitarists]?
assbot: Deicide's Benton: 'I Hate Hoffman Brothers More Than Anything In This World' - Blabbermouth.net
mircea_popescu: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deicide-s-benton-i-hate-hoffman-brothers-more-than-anything-in-this-world/ one of the better interviews
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pete_dushenski: xanthyos: russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin << on fire, this guy.
mircea_popescu: what if they're live baby rats for a certain brunette chick?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the major stiucking point here being, so you have your openbazaar, and anonderp is selling a box of secret documents or w/e.
thestringpuller: i think there is a way to sucesfully use nlocktime without having to worry about doublespend
mircea_popescu: brianhoffman: i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please dont be turned off by anything we throw out there as were not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff <<< well the s/use/leverage/g thing you got going is a bit weird.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: links are fine as long as they aren't videos without tits << hm, thinking about it, that's exacly the rule, isn't it ? observant daniel.
mircea_popescu: which is why the multicentral approach seems to me better.
mircea_popescu: punkman: danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those << i recall discussions about wot bridges in here too. none of it is insurmontable, except, making a p2p wot.
oda_krell: I suppose the 10min temp voice is one's chance to really shine in here, huh? Song and dance routine maybe? Anyway, don't have anything to really say right now, but I like to lurk from time to time.
dignork: well, there would be fees for escrow services
mircea_popescu: "He forks therefore he leads" lol. what do you do bri o wow he left huh
thestringpuller: all these statements on trilema and new articles
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller like 3
brianhoffman: now that’s no fun, just giving up the ghost :P
punkman: brianhoffman: the gist is: just use GPG identities and let silk road be silk road
brianhoffman: hey i hate to run but i have to. I heard from @dionyziz and he said he will be able to drop in a little later. I will DM you on Twitter @danielpbarron when he’s available and then just drop in say hey to continue the talk if you don’t mind.
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punkman: brianhoffman: some things to consider here perhaps http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/
pete_dushenski: "The new [French cybersecurity] rules include fines of as much as 750,000 euros for companies that fail government security audits, and demand that French businesses reconsider their technology choices to focus on certified -- mostly ‘‘made in France” -- products."
brianhoffman: ok so the folks from freenet argued that as well
punkman: "In OpenBazaar, the participants are inherently pseudonymous. In this setting, we wish to maintain an identity for each node. This identity is strictly distinct from the operator's real-world identity."
brianhoffman: i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please don’t be turned off by anything we throw out there as we’re not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff
brianhoffman: we will be leveraging op_return in the next release hopefully
brianhoffman: but this is all not slated for the next week’s release here
brianhoffman: we’re following the Peter Todd BIP
brianhoffman: which is why at the moment we’re leveraging proof of burn
punkman: "Global trust is trust towards a particular individual which is seen as the same from all members of the network. Projected trust is established through a pseudonymous partial knowledge web-of-trust, while global trust is established through proof-of-burn and proof-of-timelock mechanisms."
brianhoffman: ok well so what is your main interest here? just that we are trying to reinvent the wheel?
punkman: danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those
brianhoffman: have you read the paper dionysis put out about this so far?
brianhoffman: this is all very notional at the moment though.
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brianhoffman: he’s spearheading the trust work
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that'd be the best nrws evar
BingoBoingo: Oh, by defeating WhaleBearPig we apparently earned another diff increase
assbot: Has North Koreas Kim Jong Un Been Toppled? - The Daily Beast
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mircea_popescu: they gotta learn to make better astroturf reddit accts, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: "[]PWNY_EVEREADY 1 point 8 minutes ago Ahh what a community! A key bitcoin core developer was scamming/ripping off the community he supposedly believes in. Who needs regulation amirite?" i guess we have the new party line, if nothing else.
thickasthieves: or that he was manning the whole thing
assbot: You're not gonna like this, but Willy from Mt. Gox, was a group of people, with the major player being: Jeff Garzik. : Bitcoin
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: got a broken link http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/
thickasthieves: then clowns not dressed as clowns firr tshirts from cannons every 20min
mircea_popescu: and the plebs watch her tits jiggle ?
thickasthieves: on the screens
thickasthieves: they have two glass pools on the second tier, where fans can drink and watch the game and be watched by people watching the game
thickasthieves: i went for a walk and this little girl was playing on her swing chanting the "Everything Is Awesome!" chorus
mircea_popescu: biodiesel is such nonsense anyway. what do you need fuel for if there's not a bunch of derps anymore, going from parking lot to parking lot ?
bounce: oh the fertility of bullshit
mircea_popescu: greatest country in the world
mircea_popescu: and btw cazalla, put a quantcast code on the thing
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thickasthieves: lol i'm trying to use their customer support to find out why,
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not per se, but pretty much all the usg-collaborationist services either stopped or delayed usd to btc purchases yest.
BingoBoingo: So circle's just another pre-order scam?
mircea_popescu: pity all their efforts turned out to be in vain huh.
thickasthieves: apparently i'm not the only one Circle didnt process purchases for
thickasthieves: either reddit or researched deleted it shortly after posting
Vexual: theres is no left and right anymore
Vexual: and so it follow he probably just wants the papers to your late model car or some such
Vexual: im guessing the cat don't sport a bowtie tho
Vexual: don't ask me how the fuck that works
Vexual: was the dude in a bubble playing mario bros?
Vexual: as "the real" dread pirate roberts
mircea_popescu: nothing to tell, you gotta be there.
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Well, you have to hold the court in contempt first. It is a race
Vexual: contempting the court wins?
mircea_popescu: knowing how to exploit is half the orgams.
assbot: Optimism shouldn't be a personal disposition. You want flight attendants to be "optimistic", pilots to be "pessimistic" not the opposite.
Vexual: actually i don;t want t be too much of a bother, but i think you'll find that patent is actually mine
Vexual: and ive got a thing wot says i can use the notion
mircea_popescu: i got the patent.
Vexual: lampalina that sell wall chomped article dropped there preciously (qntra)
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mircea_popescu: lampelina no, that i have, but how would you like trying to write an article for the qntra thing ?
mircea_popescu: hey lampelina what are you doing these days ?
Vexual: no problem, id still be fresh for work the next day
mats_cd03: 09:50:12 <+mircea_popescu> then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death" >> wtf that is terrifying
mats_cd03: its like... the cycle of life, man.
mats_cd03: i once sobbed over the beauty of the universe while sitting on the shore of a lake watching a bird
mats_cd03: i was referring to the ego madness that is being in your periphery mircea_popescu
Vexual: father of 24 and bitcoin advocate mats cd, aged whatever tranceded last night in whatevr county
mircea_popescu: then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death"
mircea_popescu: "it was the government dude"
BingoBoingo: "I dunno seemed like he had some legitimate greviances they way he said it..."
mircea_popescu: if this guy kills himself and then there's no end of media wanting to know "what was he like"
mats_cd03: of the ego black hole
mats_cd03: i'm about to cross the horizon
mircea_popescu: i guess it's better to end up as the deified avatar of human relations than any alternative fate.
mircea_popescu: i'll have all these numerous hotties i can no longer fuck, that other people will be sucking the life out of, "for me".
RagnarDanneskjol: imma see her at the vegas thing later today
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