BingoBoingo: Also the part where bandwidth doesn't evenly increase and shit.
mats_cd03: i see the scalability roadmap refers to moore's law
BingoBoingo: Huh, the Dodgers are starting Kershaw again tomorrow after he got tagged for 8 runs Friday
BingoBoingo: Maybe I need to stop bashing my hand with the OED when I typo and find a correction that doesn't affect the typing hands.
thickasthieves: those new cheapo asicminer prisms will hit the scene soon
thickasthieves: "nd the Bitcoiners celebrated. "WE JUST HARPOONED THAT MOTHERFUCKER!" wrote one. "While the stock markets were closed, we had our weekend full of laughs and tears. Who doesn't wanna be part of it? Long live the 24/7 free market!" wrote another."
assbot: BearWhale Is Freaking Out the Bitcoin Markets -- NYMag
thickasthieves: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/bearwhale-is-freaking-out-the-bitcoin-markets.html
bounce: huh, sneaky circular argument there. usg says hoster Ts&Cs allowed for monitoring to no privacy for you! -- but how'd they know what server to monitor, hm? tor ought to've made it unfindable.
bounce: "safe harbor" and like rules, yes. which parties like the MAFIAA like to ignore
thickasthieves: do ebay servers get hacked when they discover coupon counterfeiters?
thickasthieves: but arent there other precedents saying a website owner isnt responsible for the crimes commited by users of it?
bounce: kinda interesting though, that though it's mostly a dead letter these days over there, you're supposedly still innocent until proven guilty (or badgered into pleading guilty, which they're very good at and do a lot), but that it doesn't go at all for things, like websites. "blatant illegal website!" -- oh, is it? how'd you know that?
thickasthieves: we'll see what the judge says
thickasthieves: well that's preet's take on the matter at least
bounce: total hax man. also, we don't care about your rights. we don't have to care about your rights. we're the government
thickasthieves: "SR Server needed only to be “reasonable” – that is, justified by “legitimate governmental interests.” Vilar, 729 F.3d at 86. Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to “hack” into it in order to search it, as any such “hack” would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain
thickasthieves: oh wait, they say it explicitly
thickasthieves: isnt there a greater problem where if the gov did inject code to make the server leak, that this precedent would now allow such action the future
thickasthieves: suppression in the first place"
thickasthieves: expectation of privacy in the SR Server, as required for him to have standing to move for its
thickasthieves: "As a threshold matter, the declaration does not establish that Ulbricht had a reasonable
startup2`isninja: I'll be back tonight. I may have another offer for people, it would be a 1-year position and primarily of interest to people who want a hedge against price movements against them. My previous offers were not closed via -assets or -otc. (No transactions done.) the total size of the offering would be up to 100 coins, US legal system and contracts, and approximately 2 weeks from now until wire (or transfer.)
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-lorax/
mircea_popescu: you'll hafta see the logs of its birth.
mircea_popescu: the very point of qntra is for there to not be a distance between truth, as represented here, and news.
mircea_popescu: there is no distinction between this and that.
assbot: The Lorax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/the-lorax/
punkman: well shit, my bw been the same for like 7 years
mircea_popescu: the power of jesus compiles you!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so, you know, free all the 13 yos trapped in 28 yo bodies. << new mpex fund: freedom28
BingoBoingo: Dude's pretty much the guy on mining pools
pete_dushenski: decimation: what I find amusing is that the lefties don't get that they are in a relgious war because they don't even realize that what they are derping about is metaphysics << definitely amusing. though you have to figure that *some* know the equalitarianism can't be measured.
assbot: Silk Road (marketplace) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: meanwhile reduced to about five hundred sites by the unerring sloth and stupidiy of the masses and the unrelenting efforts of the corporation.
asciilifeform: thank the copyrasts.
asciilifeform: possibly the only intact copy.
asciilifeform invites readers to defile the entire poem
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 18:55:26; asciilifeform: as i understand, the term originally applied to brands of optical rifle sight designed to withstand the field (water, whacking over enemy's head, etc.) vs ones that only need to survive a leisurely duck hunt
asciilifeform: regarding our friends the poetterings et al.
mircea_popescu: where's the quote from ?
mircea_popescu: o shit this goes with the ak rant
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: anyway. the first step riding the world of human excrement is telling the "wolfgoethe"s, poetterings, gavins & co of this world that they are wrong to exist.
asciilifeform: and - if you don't mask the turd, 'sanitary' gentoo (sans systemd) will indeed pull in udev-systemd by default.
asciilifeform: (not my recipe, but from the folks who write recipes)
mircea_popescu: whatever the gentoo repackages are called i forget
asciilifeform: lol. next i post the ebola-free pudding recipe.
mircea_popescu: make sure you post the results.
mircea_popescu: a much better story would be something like, "company ordered parts, submitted proper importation documents, had them confiscated at border "
asciilifeform: well, to round out story, 'when asked why undeclared, uttered 'bitcoin', received the prescribed five lashes' or the like.
mircea_popescu: this reminds me vaguely of the nefario timetravel adventures.
asciilifeform: used in soviet and perhaps other 'eastern despot' officialdom.
mircea_popescu: well or a mockery thereof.
mircea_popescu: from the confiscated miners article, "Неизвестно откуда взявшиеся эксперты таможенной службы установили, что металлические конструкции со встроенными в них схемами «предназначены для выполнения специализированных операций расчета хэш-сумм с б
mircea_popescu: wait, is that guy in the video trying to charge capacitors in an ac circuit ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously Cloudflare sites are more unavailable than any others I've seen
mircea_popescu: because cloudflare, as any other usg product, can never be a failful piece of shit that doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: i';d have left a link on their blog but of course.... cloudflare claims the host is broken
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is very true about the large blocks working against security. Throw it up there as a comment.
mircea_popescu: i guess. but an oscillator's still an oscillator, no matter the period.
mircea_popescu: srsly ?! try every six months, maybe his retardation now fits reality ? go sulk for another six months, try again ?
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2014 16:21:56; Ghaleon: hence the typical irc, leet jerk attitude is bout to be extinct
mircea_popescu: and if that's the path they wish to use to introduce faux bitcoin-lite for the us domestic market, that's fine, but it won't go over any better than an attempt from scratch.
mircea_popescu: if indeed they're stupid enough to fork it, i will sink their fork on the open market.
mircea_popescu: neither of these are getting merged into bitcoin, whatever gavin says or whatever forks happen.
mircea_popescu: the problem with gavin's idiocy is that roughly speaking, the square of the block size and the total network hash are on opposite sides of an equality, which describes total network security.
ben_vulpes: "The dream is to see Bitcoin mainstream.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the problem with gavin's idiocy isn't merely that "substantial increasing barrier to entry for operators of full nodes", horrid as that may be.
mircea_popescu: well at least you point it out for the rest of us. i didn 't click
ben_vulpes: i miss all the good stuff
ben_vulpes: <WolfGoethe> once bitcoin "closes the circle" then it shall be a true competitor to the usd << what do you mean by "closing the circle"?
thickasthieves: talking about people that talk about bitcoin doesnt make you part of bitcoin either
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one in question is ephialtes of trachis
mats_cd03: run away from the mean people
assbot: A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: sauce : http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/
mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe "TALKING ABOUT BITCOIN, EVEN IF IN A GROUP, DOES NOT MAKE YOU PART OF BITCOIN."
WolfGoethe: I'm in NYC and go to all the bitcoin dev meetups. coded an api open source project and trying to give back. came here looking to chat and I am being judged so harshly? i know this is irc... but still.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> if you compare how you treat your pets and how the average liberal intends to treat "those people" you get a scary identity. << oh come i only feed the pets when they behave
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as pictured in the film '300'. << it's an insane depiction. the original guy was actually pericle's master.
mircea_popescu: these five elements do not require a plural pronoun
mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe in so many words, yes. and stop using the plural, best anyone can determine you're a solitary guy with his hopes, aspirations, confused mainstream mental impactions and internet connection.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> the only conceivable cure is liberal beatings. << oh ho ho ho
WolfGoethe: bitcoin can indeed help the underbanked... but what about us "over" banked... as in those being crushed by the banks and their fees and hassele
thickasthieves: "In the latest move, Blockchain, a Bitcoin wallet provider and software developer, is expected to announce on Tuesday that it has closed a roughly $30.5 million fund-raising round, led by Lightspeed Venture Partners and Wicklow Capital. The investment, raised from Blockchain’s first round of outside financing, is one of the biggest in the digital currency industry to date."
WolfGoethe: you think planning and focusing our efforts to create bitcoin saturated nodes within the west is nonsense?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> and who the fuck decided that a perfectly good 'eth0' should turn into 'enp0s29u1u1' ? << o yikes
assbot: Bitcoin and the poor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: Cash transfers in Africa: Bitcoin for the poor | The Economist: <http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2014/06/cash-transfers-africa>; How Bitcoin Could Help the World's Poor | Acton PowerBlog: <http://blog.acton.org/archives/67759-bitcoin-help-worlds-poorest-people.html>; Lessons From Mobile Payments: Bitcoin Will Not Help the Poor or ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin and the poor
mircea_popescu: dude wouldja stop with the nonsense. it's ridoinculous.
WolfGoethe: the lack of morale is my main concern
asciilifeform wishes to ask handlers of ninjasp4mz0r that the 'iq' dial should be turned clockwise (up) rather than counter-clockwise (down) when agent failure.
WolfGoethe: not many who can think on your lvl in the scene, from what I recall
WolfGoethe: not ready to have a chat about the nature of consciousness right now
mircea_popescu: this is like saying, "i have a computer, it is my duty to generate random strings and publish them"
WolfGoethe: I code web mostly. many platforms. had a few startups. did the napster of Ringtones in 2000. and a few social networking sites. and now working on some bitcoin stuff.
WolfGoethe: the best chance we have now to close the circle is to focus on retail adoption me thinks
WolfGoethe: I welcome any reading resources you have. I've gone thru mullins works, griffths works, "history of money by jack weatherford" was also awesome. and several books on europe in the 30;s
assbot: Closing the Circle | EasyBitz Blog
WolfGoethe: here is a decent presentation on this concept - http://blog.easybitz.com/2014/10/05/closing-the-circle/
WolfGoethe: the usd price is irrelevant
mircea_popescu: hence the invitaiton to read a lot more.
decimation: I suspect by "evolve bitcon" you mean "increase the usd price"
WolfGoethe: in the wot?
mircea_popescu: you're not even in the wot.
WolfGoethe: we need to close the circle
mircea_popescu: so then. the price tanked temporarily because the usg tried, and failed, to kill it.
WolfGoethe: they shall continue to tax the people with inflation thru the control of the volume of funds
assbot: Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe suppose you read the logs for the past few days and/or http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/
WolfGoethe: I have been discussing with many folks why the price is tanking. it seems quite natural considering that btc is more of an asset than a currency... merchants are covnerting right to fiat and thus putting sell pressure on the exchanges
decimation: in that slatestarcodex post, nyrwracu calls this the 'law of Jante'
mircea_popescu: !up WolfGoethe
asciilifeform: as pictured in the film '300'.
WolfGoethe: Why do you all think the price is so low?
decimation: well except the kernel exposes that stuff in /proc or whatever
BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Well doubling the blocksize every year for two decades is probably a problematic plan
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe hybridizing the two?
WolfGoethe: What is the most vital thing we must focus on now as a community ?
WolfGoethe: my nick then was Ghaleon
BingoBoingo: !s WolfGoethe
BingoBoingo: Hi WolfGoethe
BingoBoingo: !up WolfGoethe
mircea_popescu: well like the saying goes, you can't stay socialist for long, it's the ideology of stupid.
thestringpuller: They shed their libertard skin it seems and a new generation of derps picked it up.
thestringpuller: Ironically all the hippies from days of old are either dead or wearing suits these days.
thestringpuller: I blame the hippies.
mircea_popescu: you only can make fun of the whole group.
thestringpuller: You point out negro's like fried chicken and it's racist. Hmmm...the plot thickens.
mircea_popescu: well, kinda worse than that. you don't give them a little change, you insist and repeat that they gotta get a little change.
thestringpuller: it's like the hobo problem in south park
mircea_popescu: if you compare how you treat your pets and how the average liberal intends to treat "those people" you get a scary identity.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the shameful secret at the root of all liberal ideology is the plain notion that "those niggers" are not really people, and so must be treated differently from people.
mircea_popescu: perhaps im missing the subtleties.
thestringpuller: welfare and segregation spawn from the same ideology? that seems reasonable tho.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same side imo.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: two sides of the same coin?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the problem is that "the remants of slavery/apartheid/segregation etc." === "liberal ideology"
mircea_popescu: so, you know, free all the 13 yos trapped in 28 yo bodies.
thestringpuller: The20YearIRCloud: those places are such cesspools because of liberal ideology << some of them are created through the antithesis of that. like the remnants of slavery/apartheid/segregation etc.
mircea_popescu: every derp derping on "social media" about the libtard themes is really a very badly brought up preteen crying for help.
mircea_popescu: the point is to execute one, to give the remaining 9999 some good role models for their life, and the limits and structure they desperately need.
mircea_popescu: and the point isn't to execute 10k derps. to make such a claim is to bestow qualities upon them they never have nor will ever have.
mircea_popescu: decimation the comparison is really unfair. the 1000 people had penicillin. today's africans have the internet.
decimation: and so there you go - how would 10,000 poetterings continue to "code" if linus could execute them?
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: From Cromer to Romer and back again: colonialism for the 21st century
decimation: "For example, to run Egypt - a country of 10 million people, then - Cromer had about 1000 British civil servants. If you count all the Western diplomats, development experts, NGOistas, and the like, for whom the present parlous state of Egypt provides employment, how many do you get? A lot more than 1 per 10,000 Egyptians, I suspect. How many Westerners are employed in bandaging and rebandaging the permanent ulcer of Africa? Um, a
The20YearIRCloud: our 'bad parts' (of columbus) have crime rates 60-100 times higher than those areas outside of them
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm kinda zone blind, i tend to have more fun in the "bad" parts of town
The20YearIRCloud: I'm sure they're there, the problem i have is that those places are such cesspools because of liberal ideology
mircea_popescu: if the worst comes to worst, he can just make whatever disaster illegal temporarily.
mircea_popescu: i guess since legal matters so much all planes sohuld be equipped with a congressman the way old ships were equipped with a priest
The20YearIRCloud: Not that I wish evil in liberals (They're people too), but their mindset sponsors alot of really awful things
The20YearIRCloud: my only kind of happiness comes in the liberal douches going through really bad parts of town with 'oppressed people' to only find out the 'oppressed' hate them and steal/rob/rape
mircea_popescu: the absolute win-win scenario.
mircea_popescu: AND there'd be fewer people around.
The20YearIRCloud: i figure it'll all come around eventually and they'll figure out what's going on
mircea_popescu: the only conceivable cure is liberal beatings.
mircea_popescu: "("Getting the job done" does not, and has never required being abusive to others. Getting the job done while being abusive is not proof that being abusive is required or even was part of, "getting the job done.")"
mircea_popescu: best code in the universe.
mircea_popescu: if i ran a country i'd give linus the right to pass death sentences, and sent the secret service to execute them.
decimation: (on the topic of why Eich was fired)
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the fucking problem. libtards don't want to live in a country that works, they want to live in a country run by obama.
decimation: Deep in the comments: "Friend of mine was a mid level product manager on Firefox. What she told me is that Eich’s dismissal was entirely due to politics. Specifically, Mozilla is this interesting hybrid organization that relies on it’s global open source community in order to Get Stuff Done, and they couldn’t risk alienating all the volunteers and contributors who make Mozilla possible."
mircea_popescu: that slashdot is instructive too. "by SuricouRaven (1897204) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @03:33PM (#47544763) His manner is coarse, but you must admit that he's gotten the job done. Linux advances on schedule, patches get incorporated, code gets tested, and all proceeds smoothly." "by Concerned Onlooker (473481) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @03:45PM (#47544841) Homepage Journal And Mussolini made the trains run on time?"
decimation: what I find amusing is that the lefties don't get that they are in a relgious war because they don't even realize that what they are derping about is metaphysics
thestringpuller: "don't press the panic button unless it is actual emergency"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i keep hoping maybe one days one of these libertards with unwarranted delusions of awareness comes by to peddle his stock of derpage.
mircea_popescu: this has exactly fucking nothing with the policies of religion and collaborationism witrh the invader in ireland.
decimation: I think that this guy hangs out with the lesswrong crowd too
mircea_popescu: for the clueless in the audience : the tutsis and the hutus are not different in any way, except the belgian missionarries picked the better looking adolescent boys/girls to "educate" ie, sex up
mircea_popescu: "Northern Irish Protestants and Northern Irish Catholics. Hutus and Tutsis" perhaps the most ignorant piece of drivel ion there. im counting it as two strikes in one at any rate.
decimation: he's the guy that was fired from mozilla for giving money to some anti-gay-marriage group
decimation: The most interesting thing about it is the comment section, where Brandon Eich chimed in
decimation: the guy who wrote is obviously fascinated with reactionary thought but is also a liberal jew
mircea_popescu: foir the record that piece quoted earlier is incredibly braindamaged.
mircea_popescu: "Tolerance is definitely considered a virtue, but it suffers the same sort of dimished expectations forgiveness does."
decimation: but I also submit it's because the underlying hardware world is crazy
decimation: linux would be 10x the disaster it already is today if linus wasn't in charge
decimation: but the masses instead demand a kernel change
asciilifeform: decimation: so these should be collected and burned.
decimation: one specific instance I know of - dell reversed the '1 and 2' ethernet ports in the bios
mircea_popescu: decimation isn't that what the 0 is for ?
decimation: that-and - lots of hardware makers suck at actually making hardware, and their customers demand a software fix
decimation: asciilifeform: well, basically the issue is that no one who wrote the original linux network subsystem apparently never conceived of how to enumerate devices
asciilifeform: at that point i don't even care what the reasoning was. i don't care if it saved a thousand orphans from a fiery death.
asciilifeform: and who the fuck decided that a perfectly good 'eth0' should turn into 'enp0s29u1u1' ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from? << cazalla ran off with a lass, but he'll be back midweek, ima push him to put quantcast in there, then you can see directly.
gribble: Samwell - "What What (In the Butt)" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU>; What What (In the Butt) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_What_(In_the_Butt)>; What, What In the Butt - Video Clip | South Park Studios: <http://southpark.cc.com/clips/165193/what-what-in-the-butt>
BingoBoingo: ;;google what what in the butt song
BingoBoingo: ;;googl what what in the butt song
mircea_popescu: what what in the butt!
asciilifeform: their blood.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i got a spam comment from "Discount True Religion Canada Online". which seems just about right.
mircea_popescu: tears make the best lube
mircea_popescu: that's the model. that's the model that made video gaming a thing, where there was previously no thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform orly ? is this how the two hotties i had sundaes with earlier were made ?
mircea_popescu: apparently ##Linux which is fucking weird. i thought linus owned the term linux
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> herr poettering is quite close to destroying linux as a going concern, imho. << no. what he is close to is destroying the notion of "updates" as a going concern. which is a fucking brilliant thing, they should have died ten years ago.
mircea_popescu: it's all the idiotic faggoty dumbasses with "women's issues" and "being polite" and inane crap like that that are the problem,
mircea_popescu: <mod6> this qntra.net is p cool. looks good in lynx too. << it does! <dub> not sure about the pink << that's because of all the gay.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Animals in captivity: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/10/06/1837237/lennart-poettering-open-source-community-quite-a-sick-place-to-be-in <<< right, why is not the world more like microshit.
decimation: anyway it is related to lennart because he complains about how much vitriol he faces - he is definitely part of an 'outgroup' - people who share many similarities except they differ strongly over specific beliefs
assbot: I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex
decimation: actually this is related to lennart's whining: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/
decimation: re: lennart << anyone who has done anything that deals with a relatively unfiltered mass public knows how derpy and stupid the masses are. why should 'open source' be an exception?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: but that's what you were there for right ? << Indeed, but still... wow. I was ill prepared.
BingoBoingo: midnightmagic> You'll have to let me know what trick is required to target the crud and not the good stuff. I would personally like to drink more quebecois beer.. << Practice. Also hard liquor.
BingoBoingo: If you burn out your body with hard living at 67, maybe you only lose one year at the end to convalescing. If you treat it like some nerd's transformer doll in the packaging and live to 90, that's 2-3 decades of convalescing.
midnightmagic: You'll have to let me know what trick is required to target the crud and not the good stuff. I would personally like to drink more quebecois beer..
BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: My body is a temple. Maybe it is some rural tribal arrangement made of straw held together with Giraffe shit, but god damn it, it is still a temple!