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thickasthieves: oh man i just made another great typo, discussing how the bearwhale was actually the 'givernment'
assbot: Taking the fight for #transparency to court | Twitter Blogs
thickasthieves: you put in a magnet link and it downloads and zips the file for you to download directly, for a small btc fee
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic judges commonly view through defendants corporate structrurings, if those are intended to mask the real interests in the case.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: is the third-party corp identified yet?
thickasthieves: i'd rather just pay
thickasthieves: i hope they dont do ads
mircea_popescu: if there's ever a need for illustration of the concept of total trust, and it's pointlessness - that's it
mircea_popescu: i like how danielpbarron is -30 on the wot and +5 to assbot
mircea_popescu: i wonder who arranges the scheduling for all this.
mircea_popescu: these people are out of a parody i swear. every single day. EVERY SINGLE DAY there's a "protest" in buenos aires. bout a hundred or so people gather (50 or so being the same throughout), drum the same tune on perhaps he same drums. each day.
rithm: economics is scientific and mostly theoretical, chief scientist sounds legit on a spaceship
rithm: but this is the intertubes, it must be science'd
mircea_popescu: anyway, she needn't worry : the third party company is where the siphoned funds are headed. the foundation is just the scamming public front.
thickasthieves: also noted that the exec is actually a paid consultant from a separate company
mircea_popescu: yeah well chief derp didn't sound as exciting to the prospective candidate
thickasthieves: when i showed my wife the TBF nonprofit documents she commented "Chief Scientist" is an odd job title for a nonprofit
BingoBoingo: bingoboingo cazalla heh check out the furry of attention your little project is getting from our enemies. methinks we;ve struck oil here. << I think the individual blogs stung from time to time. The concentrated effort on a news as information service scares them.
mircea_popescu: bounce that feels like it should have a titty in there.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: Note that it's ironic that I actually made this purchase by mistake because I thought the "Deposit" button meant , yknow, depositing funds, not exchanging currencies. Your system of dollarifying all numbers is obnoxious. Let people type in bitcoin amounts and understand it as a separate currency. You're just confusing things." <<< they're not JUST confusing things.
mircea_popescu: that's what motherfucking careers are : lines of work where you can do what you please.
thickasthieves: 'I was in a loving, healthy, great relationship for four years,' she told the magazine. 'It was long distance, and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2783719/Jennifer-Lawrence-speaks-time-nude-photo-leak-Vanity-Fair.html
assbot: Jennifer Lawrence speaks out for the first time about nude photo leak to Vanity Fair | Daily Mail Online
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: how is XBT better ? << it's great in that it gives btc the occasion to show the entire iso process the door.
thickasthieves: i was loading some stuff into the fridge earlier and felt like a web or string my neck, so i grabbed and flicked to floor. it was a huge red wasp.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: No need for a symbol. BTC is fine. People build friendly 'nugh interfaces with BTC << yeahy but then how would vessenes' scam ring issue "press releases" about things and stuff ?
mircea_popescu: assbot: Press Release October 7, 2014: Bitcoin Foundation Financial Standards Working Group Leads the Way for Mainstream Bitcoin Adoption | The Bitcoin Foundation << they really should stop competing with the onion.
thickasthieves: yeah he said hi and that the honeymoon is over
chetty: they would be fools not to
fluffypony: thestringpuller: I'm around
thickasthieves: well after the SEC interaction he probly got on some lists ;)
thestringpuller: I wonder if the enemy is lurking on Trilema.
mircea_popescu: there you go.
gribble: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/>; ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html>; The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>
mircea_popescu: dub: assets is gop sponsored chan << yeah, but the great old party in question is the guelph.
nubbins`: that's no longer the main headline because we now have BREAKING: Major train derailment near Wadena, Sask.
mircea_popescu: and miracles are in short supply these days.
thickasthieves: lol they arent ready
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/ << thickasthieves you can tell the tradechats that one :D
mircea_popescu: they;re one of the lenders, but! i gotta say they parlayed very little into a whole lot. they don't actually have enough btc on hand to justify a 30mn grant.
nubbins`: blockchain.info is a handy enough read-only wallet that i haven't bothered trying any others
thickasthieves: theyll be interviewed too
bounce: there is only one original trollbox
thickasthieves: the least trollboxy one ive found
thickasthieves: at least that's what the good old rooibos tells me
mike_c: oh no, to be clear I am laughing at them.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i wouldn't really take anything the govt says at face value. the derps in that courtroom painfully remind of http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/
mike_c: they are just talking about phpmyadmin.
mike_c: this is gov't derping from the filing.
mike_c: "Silk Road’s reliance on PHP databases was readily observable from the website itself during the time of its operation"
mircea_popescu: S1m0ne (2002), has a floppy in there.
mircea_popescu: apparently Live Free or Die Hard (2007) was one of the first films to use the sticks.
mircea_popescu: "Snoops" The Stolen Diskette (TV Episode 2000)
gribble: The Net (1995) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113957/>; The Net (1995 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Net_(1995_film)>; Amazon.com: The Net: Sandra Bullock, Jeremy Northam, Dennis ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Net-Sandra-Bullock/dp/0800141768>
nubbins`: ;;google the net sandra bullock
nubbins`: they do?
mircea_popescu: for a bunch of experts that use excel, the controlling factor is to make sure the story's believable.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2014_10_06_Government_Response_To_Horowitz_Declaration.pdf << PHP databases << whether they are or they aren't, that's what the us govt will claim there was. because it's a noncontroversial tech, much like hollywood still shows diskettes in movies to this day.
guruvan: or perhaps the .git/config doesn't
bounce: well then. time to dig into git for a bit.
mircea_popescu: nobody really knows the intricate details of your own "dawn of time" history but you
mircea_popescu: you see why this is not the sort of thing another could help with Azelphur. check the secret keyring ? maybe is there a pinentry involved that fails silently ?
Azelphur: bounce: that's possible, the key does require a passphrase
bounce: perhaps depends on a gpg agent that isn't running or perhaps doesn't have the key loaded
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: that's the part that makes no sense, I shouldn't be, it's the same key I've always used on this machine since the dawn of time, I only have one key, gpg --list-secret-keys shows one key
mircea_popescu: Azelphur you missing the secret key ?
mircea_popescu: the tools are present.
mircea_popescu: it takes precious little luck for the woodchpper to grind a whole forrest.
mircea_popescu: every current usg employee is in direct danger of starvation, once they reach old age. better make some good friends and suck up to the fambly, because the usg won't be here to pick up their tabs.
bounce: also depends on your perception. this is perhaps the more cogent point. who's going to be right? well... if we're lucky and they're not a lot of the cogs in the usg are going to feel mightily blindsided.
mircea_popescu: but anyone else... who cares if the bill comes due just as you're due for pension payments? hm ?
mircea_popescu: bounce depending on one's age, i wouldn't put much stock in that. i suppose septuagenarians have good cause to be disinterested on these grounds.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot good work on the "new" lorax lol
bounce: but who cares if the bill only comes due well after your pension?
mircea_popescu: and the points still go n-0.
mircea_popescu: the game is still played by points.
bounce: morally, but the usg doesn't care about that; it figures it's too big to fail
mircea_popescu: if questioned, no matter what the sops say, it's still a loss.
mircea_popescu: the embarassment of havcing to answer to it makes it a loss already.
mircea_popescu: and that n is pretty fuckingly scary high, what with the heartbleed headshot and all the other outlays generously handed out by la serenissima.
mircea_popescu: making it n-0, retroactively. THEY HAVE YET TO ACTUALLY SCORE ONCE!
nubbins`: the FBI "just knew" in the sense that an NSA agent walked into their office and said "hey, check out this URL!"
mircea_popescu: but really, this silkroad thing is becoming a major liability for the usg, after having actually crossed the line from gain to liability sometime in spring.
mircea_popescu: bounce: huh, sneaky circular argument there. usg says hoster Ts&Cs allowed for monitoring to no privacy for you! -- but how'd they know what server to monitor, hm? tor ought to've made it unfindable. << they "just knew" heh.
guruvan: thestringpuller: no - but I've been around here a long while - just not much in here for a while
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: do ebay servers get hacked when they discover coupon counterfeiters? << no, because ebay servers are already hacked by design, because they use the "proper" software as indicated.
nubbins`: there's an off-chance it'll still be in a sort facility somewhere.
guruvan scrolls back down to the present
nubbins`: thestringpuller shirts will be arriving at proper location
thestringpuller: what about the shirts?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: like how can a foreign website be illegal? <<< you got an oxymoron problem going there son ?
nubbins`: let me find the tx, PM me a btc address
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i take that as a no ?
nubbins`: thestringpuller: Your item was undeliverable as addressed at 2:51 pm on September 20, 2014 in ATLANTA, GA 30309. It is being returned if appropriate information is available.
nubbins`: thestringpuller :/ let me find a tracking #
thestringpuller: nubbins`: the poster still hasn't come :(
mircea_popescu: "During the last eighteen months I have not had the good fortune to attend my own funeral, but with that exception I have buried pretty nearly everything I lived for." << wow check out this guy.
nubbins`: awkward silence, question guy leaves w/o another word
nubbins`: there was a dope dealer named richard ball
nubbins`: the best stories are succinct, yet moving, and oddly telling
nubbins`: i know a woman with the last name Smellie, true story
mircea_popescu: o, right! because it's a stupid idea! well... nevermind then.
mircea_popescu: i wonder why all the people with shitty names don't get together and make their own country.
fluffypony: So theres that
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. im sure the price for his penis is over 300 bux.
fluffypony: And if it wast dead the price wouldn't go that low
fluffypony: About how Bitcoin is dead because the price went so low
mircea_popescu: well good for him, and let his mother know
nubbins`: if you're ninjashogun, expect the reverse in a moment
mircea_popescu: anything substantial in there ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i am curious how many of the references and injokes are actually observable from outside the work
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller listen, you actually shipping those cookies ?
mircea_popescu: and bingo you're doing a bangass job over there! everyone else links the pdf, you put in the text. brownie points.
mircea_popescu: therefore this motion should be dismissed"
mircea_popescu: the law requires someone asking for his rights to be protected to say how his rights were infringed
mircea_popescu: ahhh that govt response to the horowitz declaration
mircea_popescu: i should probably say "the enemies of a free world, liberty, happiness and generally humanity", but it's kinda lengthy to give these people all their proper titles and indignities.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo cazalla heh check out the furry of attention your little project is getting from our enemies. methinks we;ve struck oil here.
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nubbins`: nah the actual video
mircea_popescu: the ad ?
nubbins`: luckily this video has an unskippable ad at the start
mircea_popescu: it was rather amusing
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assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 04:02:22; WolfGoethe: I code web mostly. many platforms. had a few startups. did the napster of Ringtones in 2000. and a few social networking sites. and now working on some bitcoin stuff.
assbot: Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2Agoethe
nubbins`: !s *goethe
mircea_popescu: it's in the logs
nubbins`: that they...?
mircea_popescu: people get to be 30 and still have no idea they suck
nubbins`: but wait dude, you don't understand, he also did that one of the mandelbrot set
mircea_popescu: the blessings of a school system with no grades.
nubbins`: could make 60 of these a second
nubbins`: and the tagline
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> http://posters.lardbucket.org/ is this the sorriest thing you ever saw or what
nubbins`: also turns out i'm gonna be printing the writers' alliance quarterly journal
bounce: what, you don't know? currency codes use the iso3166 two letter country code plus one letter for the currency. so BTC is really "bhutan coin". exceptions are the X codes, XAU, XPT, XAG and so on.
PeterL: thickasthieves: yes, but it can be a different individual at each end of the transfer, unlike now where you have the same company at both ends
thickasthieves: wtf is the X bs
kakobrekla: CYBT then
dignork: PeterL | you don't need remittances anymore << in theory you are right, but for now you have whopping 5 buyers listed on localbitcoins in Mexico. Seems we are not there yet.
PeterL: maybe that is why USgov wants the price low, so it is harder to move large quantities of money outside their system without permission?
gribble: The answer is certainly yes.
PeterL: http://blog.btcscoop.com/use-code-xbt-not-btc-for-bitcoins/ and yes I see the irony of posting this on a website starting with btc
thickasthieves: just because bitcoin lets people do things for themselves doesnt mean that all of sudden people will start doing things for themselves
thickasthieves: i'm saying the 3rd party will continue to exist
los_pantalones: ever seen someone exchange .00001% of their home for a piece of pie ?
dignork: thickasthieves: if it's trivial to find buyer here, and seller there, it won't be remittance anymore, just exchage fees on both sides of trade
thickasthieves: Well i think businesses will still provide the service
thickasthieves: i'm not sure we mean the same thing
thickasthieves: generally i subscribe to the belief that all extremes and ideals are only achievable for a moment at best, and that a robust/sustainable approach to theory and design is better
thickasthieves: closing the loop is probably an anti-goal because changing the value of bitcoin dramatically would also change the costs of goods dramatically
thickasthieves: which is not totally possible, but probably the natural point bitcoin trends towards
thickasthieves: this is also why you get guys talking about "closing the loop"
thickasthieves: the function is that bitcoin is designed to be antifragile, so each of it's properties work to correct and balance the others
assbot: The Problem with Altcoins | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
dignork: dbolser: re alt-coins << there may be a lot of failure modes, but here is a good general explanation: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-problem-with-altcoins/
ben_vulpes: the interesting thing is what happens to modern governments that run on printing money.
dbolser: ben_vulpes: yeah, I'm vague there too... like if the price stays really low, it's still a tool for international trade
ben_vulpes: can you clarify the functions question?
dbolser: is there a set of functions it performs as cost enters certain ranges?
dbolser: so, hypothetically, does bitcoin ever die?
bounce: so easiest there would be to put a good push behind supporting more phones (like some nokia models from back when they were respectable)
thickasthieves: mining is more likely to affect price than the reverse imo
thickasthieves: the problem i have with the point is it acts like price is a driver of anything but speculation
dbolser: if price goes to 1 cent per 10 BTC (lets say), is there any 'value' in mining?
dbolser: that's beside the point
nubbins`: yeah, the only chips you hear about are the ones where the makers wanted to vacuum up that sweet sweet "investor" money
dbolser: thickasthieves: I don't argue that the two are related in a complex way, but I wonder if there is a lower bound on price whereby mining 'colapses'
thickasthieves: also keep in mind that mining costs as reported by reddit etc, are just a snapshot of what can be seen, there have been private operations implementing their own chips for a while now
thickasthieves: itd be impossible to know the plans and behavior of major mining outfits and their coins and costs
bounce: how hard is it to build a (simple, "feature") phone with fully-controlled firmware including the wireless interface side?
dignork: so I invited dbolser here, because we where discussing MV=MC in #bitcoin, but no traction there.
bounce: really need to find more ways to recover the secret keys from SIM cards and stick'em in (FOSS-programmed) alternate SIMs that you control
dbolser: working on a counter to the argument that bitcoin price is important if it falls below a certain threshold where the cost of securing the network is 'too high'
mats_cd03: the interface is serial but that doesnt really tell me anything
assbot: The SIM card is a full featured computer. It has memory, a CPU, and your telco ... | Hacker News
mats_cd03: i am under the impression SIM cards have DMA
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ben_vulpes: looks like assbot maintains its own notion of authedness
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: i dun get it either, danielpbarron
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thickasthieves: Note that it's ironic that I actually made this purchase by mistake because I thought the "Deposit" button meant , yknow, depositing funds, not exchanging currencies. Your system of dollarifying all numbers is obnoxious. Let people type in bitcoin amounts and understand it as a separate currency. You're just confusing things."
thickasthieves: this was my message to Circle, to which i got that form response "I shouldn't complain since the price has gone down anyway, but why didn't this order go through? I just want to know how to avoid the problem in the future.
ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: the wot begins to bite
nubbins`: i did the full gamut w/ my circle account, A+++ would buy satoshis from again
thickasthieves: this is all Circle had to say about my inquiry as to my order being cancelled "We may have delayed your transaction due to our fraud prevention monitoring. I apologize for any inconvenience! We should have this issue resolved in the next few days."
kakobrekla: sgornick arguing that XBT is better for adoption or whatever the fuck is beyond retarded
nubbins`: this is regarding an article about cleaning products not being required to list the specific perfume/scent ingredients: "Printing is cheap these days so no reason not to list all the ingredients in everything"
thickasthieves: X is better because it kowtows to the establishment
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thickasthieves: really i'd rather focus on getting people to quit choosing arbitrary denominations
fluffypony: which, frankly, is kinda rude since the B didn't do anything to deserve an anal probing
assbot: Press Release October 7, 2014: Bitcoin Foundation Financial Standards Working Group Leads the Way for Mainstream Bitcoin Adoption | The Bitcoin Foundation
sgornick: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/press-releases/press-release-october-7-2014-bitcoin-foundation-financial-standards-working-group-leads-the-way-for-mainstream-bitcoin-adoption-2/
sgornick: > Beth Moses led the standardization and testing of extravehicular interfaces for the International Space Station while at NASA.
TomServo: Could of interesting posts on ISIS there.
dub: are they not right?
assbot: Young Ex-ISIS Hostage Shocks CNN Reporter, Family: ‘They Are Right’ | Mediaite
BingoBoingo: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/young-ex-isis-hostage-shocks-cnn-reporter-family-they-are-right/
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer