thickasthieves: "Ulbricht hadn’t sufficiently demonstrated that the server belonged to him, and thus can’t claim that his privacy rights were violated by its search. "
mircea_popescu: 940,806 US rank < straight in the top 1m hehe
BingoBoingo: Oh Quantcast and WP stats are pretty similar in the numbers
mircea_popescu: if and seems like were rowing in a boat. if if weren't there, seems like seems like'd have drowned.
bounce: birds of a feather
mircea_popescu: this should be in the record.
mircea_popescu: "SENATOR GERSTEIN (1:50:40) Mr. Antonopolous, your reputation preceded you prior to your arrival. You may recall that in my introductory remarks, I did not introduce you as a Bitcoin guru, but as THE Bitcoin guru. I think that I could speak on behalf of all of the members of the committee in saying that you have more than lived up to that reputation. We greatly appreciate your presentation today. Thank you very much, t
bounce: though even if he'd shouted high and low it was something else entirely that just happened to carry the exact same unit value as a us dollar they'd still hang him on the nearest tree of accusations. they're like that. any old excuse will do.
bounce: ``The founder of Liberty Reserve, a virtual currency used by cybercriminals around the world to launder proceeds of their illegal activity, was extradited from Spain and arrived in the United States this afternoon.'' -- so, uhm, why aren't they even investigating the current owners and propagators of that much more widely currency used by criminals, "cyber" and otherwise, world-wide?
bounce: ah, of course it's extra-doubly-criminal if you are a /former/ american doing all that outside of the US
mircea_popescu: and fuck whoever came up with the soap-rest false dichotomy, too.
mircea_popescu: fuck them with a used toilet brush
bounce: "REST" is all the rage these days, and is obviously a fine and good excuse to push off all the processing into the client (and thereby reinventing just about everything, badly), instead of, oh, having the server process all that or just serving up the content right away.
mircea_popescu: but there's a bunch of them. the retarded crowd that does videos instead of articles tends to send links to them instead of plain text.
mircea_popescu: then everyone copied it. casetext.com in this exampole
mircea_popescu: what is with these people, seriously.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: You rated user gilgameshugga on Sat Jul 19 13:35:03 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: figured out how to compile ssss-0.5 on openBSD5.5 for a 0.1 BTC bounty http://danielpbarron.com/ssss/openBSD5.5.asc.txt.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well the ones I asked some Indian kid to do for money and then diginork beat him to the prize when he no-show'd
gribble: The operation succeeded.
The20YearIRCloud: The property I just got is a smoking deal. $30k purchase, about $2k in rehab if that, will bring in $1050/mo rented with about $300/mo in costs (Taxes, insurance, repairs)
assbot: Hospital Pilots Pet Therapy with Black Bears, Grizzlies - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/10/pet-therapy/ << Adults are bigger and furrier than kids, so it was simple, explained Westchester Medical Center CEO James Piccadilly. Bears are bigger and furrier than dogs.
bounce: those wily belgians trying to make a name for themselves in time-honoured fashion: "sound scary? read on!"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski You know there's another guide. Paid for rather than wrote this one. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/
assbot: SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: like that time the eulora gameplay post was almsot lost forever?
chetty: <thestringpuller> in the future we will have nanomachines that prevent us from physically disclosing our handler. that will be a scary time.//pls tell me at least a day ahead of this
bounce: uhm. looks like I forgot to take notes last time I had beef with some of what he was saying and forgot to keep up in the meantime. oh well.
thestringpuller: in the future we will have nanomachines that prevent us from physically disclosing our handler. that will be a scary time.
mircea_popescu: there's not that many handlers, they drive cars, they have wives, it's a solved problem.
mircea_popescu: what/how much they paid him, but he won't answer that one.
mats_cd03: i think i might see schneier again sometime in the near future
mats_cd03: i don't know anything about the web
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 you know how if you install wordpress you're supposed to change the pre-generated salt to something ?
thestringpuller: remember that point you brought up about someone reading a newspaper article about a field they are well versed in. That person says, "Wow holes everywhere" etc. Then he moves to article from field he is less familiar with and just agrees with it?
mircea_popescu: you are in fact better off using homebrew than "well vetted", inasmuch as the western world is in denial about exactly what "well vetted" means as well as what "working towards stopping use for illicit activity" means
mircea_popescu: bounce except this would meet the definition of "well vetted" as commonly deployed.
bounce: it's been ages but an exponent of one isn't a great idea, no. they shipped with that? oops. (could see it as another reason why you don't implement crypto yourself; you use a well-vetted library, as in written by cryptographers and then read by other cryptographers)
assbot: security - Why is this commit that sets the RSA public exponent to 1 problematic? - Stack Overflow
mats_cd03: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17490282/why-is-this-commit-that-sets-the-rsa-public-exponent-to-1-problematic
mircea_popescu: "nigga please, the world ? it's so ended already!"
mircea_popescu: that site's so funny, it's been declaring the world ends tomorrow so convincingly and for so long by now its only audience are people who actually factually believe the world ends tomorrow, each and every day. so there's this palpable atmosphere of
mircea_popescu: o which reminds me, did the doom zerohedge announced as a given manifest in the fx markets yet ?
mircea_popescu: "fuck you and get used to making the laws you can enforce as opposed to making the laws your delusions require" ?
bounce: ``Patrick Murck of the Bitcoin Foundation stated that "the people that do this stuff should burn in hell" and they are working to stop Bitcoin from being used for illicit activity.'' -- clowns be clownin'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 18:21:00; mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world <<< this is actually one of the largest, most interesting questions in bitcoin finance.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wywialm there's one for you : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867881
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps going to be the one thing economists of the future will be trying to keep in balance.
mircea_popescu: however, because bitcoin will be hoarded in general and transacted rarely, it is quite possible for there to appear a new macroeconomics equation :
mircea_popescu: superficially, if one thinks btc is a drop-in replacement for fiat (which it isn't, just like car isn't exactly a drop in replacement for tricycle) one'd expect the same to hold
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have a good answer. on one hand, fiat currency can never meet the total asset value, for very well understood reasons.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world <<< this is actually one of the largest, most interesting questions in bitcoin finance.
mike_c: i linked it above the comment. << that link 404'd for me.
mircea_popescu: add the full minutes as an add-on file to be linked from your article for the perennially curious
princessnell_: the whole thing: his opening statements and Q&A
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << deets? << someone put a random deed up there, i linked it above the comment.
princessnell_: i have a transcript of the andreas testimony
assbot: Important step towards separating our bitcoin biz from /SecondMarket. The name.Introducing...Digital Currency Group http://t.co/s4Hld235bP
asciilifeform never met an apocalyptic hypothetical megadeath that herr orlov doesn't love.
bounce: feeding random bits to that vaikan thingy makes me lose 2:1. seems that giving the thing a pass option gives it an unfair advantage.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing doing news pieces because that's the news. but people writing blogs aren't doing newspieces, they're doing editorial, and the news burnout is a century old, well known and documented mode of failure for editors.
mircea_popescu: the problem with drinking the coolaid and starting to perceive yourself as "of a field" is that you end up with this obligatory slag.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Ebola and the Five Stages of Collapse
assbot: Bitcoin history: The BearWhale of 2012 : Bitcoin
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2iud0a/bitcoin_history_the_bearwhale_of_2012/
asciilifeform: 'map is not territory, but the territory does not fit in your glove compartment.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these are also not pure categories in nature. their distinction follows tradition
pete_dushenski: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases << 0.6-0.7 zip and tar files are here, just unsure how to modify pankkake's node.sh script with them…
asciilifeform: makes a difference what part of his hindbrain you pwned to get him to walk the plank
mircea_popescu: objective difference there isn't.
mircea_popescu: these aren't distinguishable in the field. the nominal distinction follows mood or at best tradition.
asciilifeform: for purposes of chumpatronic engineering, it does indeed matter whether the chump needs a leash, coaxing, or mere suggestion to jump into the hopper.
mircea_popescu: which is why business has the concept of "knew or should have known". cuz it makes exactly no difference whether he "actually" knew.
mircea_popescu: the female ability to reclassify rape as consensual and consensual as rape and to negotiate her own presence in the circumstances of her being does exactly jack shit for any discussion of reality.
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2014 20:41:17; asciilifeform: Officially, all Soviet representatives regard these parasites with touching feelings of friendship, but privately they call them 'shit-eaters' ('govnoed'). It is difficult to say where this expression originated, but it is truly the only name they deserve. The use of this word has become so firmly entrenched in Soviet embassies that it is impossible to imagine any other name for these people. A conver
mircea_popescu: half of leningrad died in one night because a bunch of people "weren't really doing" what they were doing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's such bs. you know how the soviets worked, right ? all the scum reporting to the nkvd "had to", right ?
asciilifeform: otherwise he's just 'useful' (while possibly also, 'idiot')
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, like Karpeles and the like
devthedev: mircea_popescu: It's on the school's blacklist.
bounce: the google translation contains a typical english grammar error (it's instead of its). how chinesely interesting.
mircea_popescu: it seems the exact same sort of entirely broken, pseudoscientific, narcissistic gung-ho idiocy
assbot: truthermn2 comments on A moment of silence please...
mircea_popescu: am i the only one who is amused by the strict similarity between the "o we know how climate works ; listen to us to fix what's broken with earth's industry" of these muppets and the "o, we know how hardware will work in the future ; listen ot us to fix what's broken with bitcoin" of the BF sponsored muppets ?
pete_dushenski: "The Earth hasn't warmed for > 18 years and counting. CO2 meanwhile continues to increase. Ergo. No connection between CO2 and global temperature. CAGW is false."
assbot: Antarctic ice at ALL TIME RECORD HIGH: We have more to learn, says boffin The Register Forums
pete_dushenski: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2014/10/09/we_have_more_to_learn_says_scientist_antarctic_sea_ice_at_all_time_record/#c_2323490
mircea_popescu: get in the wot will you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform matters not. the lord doesn't aim to kill sin, merely as many sinners as can get hands on.
asciilifeform: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: for instance, about 98% of english speaking people involved in earth studies just rendered themselves
mircea_popescu: they're dead, for that profession.
assbot: Antarctic ice at ALL TIME RECORD HIGH: We have more to learn, says boffin The Register
pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/09/we_have_more_to_learn_says_scientist_antarctic_sea_ice_at_all_time_record/
asciilifeform: anyway the link is because that fellow's site is the only place where you find everything you need to initialize an x86-64 all in one place.
mircea_popescu: did they implement javascript:sendushatemail(); ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic the notion of javascript:pop makes me sad.
asciilifeform: or the like.
mircea_popescu: they suck, but hey.
mircea_popescu: bounce not nearly as hard as a compiler, if you mean a tight optimizing compiler. otherwise, rms has been writing compilers in a day and a half on emacs.
Apocalyptic: neither do I
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, a shame the website thought it would be a good idea to use javascript popups as links
mircea_popescu: lisp never managed, for instance. neither did python. etc.
bounce: you'd need a tcp/ip stack linked to your program meaning that as soon as it quits the box is off the 'net, but whatever it's configured to use it'll use.
bounce: "something as hardware nonspecific as possible" meaning the shittiest and slowest option you can think of is a bit of a non-argument really.
mircea_popescu: "my solution for fixing this guy's liver is to dispense with the guy"
asciilifeform: hence idea, just dispense with the msdos
asciilifeform: communicate with net through slip, via one serial line; accept commands & return output through another; deal with key material through a third.
mircea_popescu: you do, yes, inasmuch as afaik it's compiled on 16 bit with a bunch of strange as what's maxint. won't even be able to reference half the arrays becayse they smash various stacks
asciilifeform: (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.)
thestringpuller: bitcoin is rather portable tho
mircea_popescu: wasn't exactly "designed from the ground up with portability in mind"
asciilifeform: dos can talk ethernet << you want something as hardware nonspecific as possible.
mircea_popescu: kinda my point. bitcoind makes a bunch of assumptions about what it can do to the internet
bounce: dos can talk ethernet, see "crynwr" packet drivers for one.
pete_dushenski: following footnote added to "the node guide": Disclaimer! This Guide sets up the latest version of bitcoind, which is obviously a piece of fucking Bitcoin Fundation shit on a stick. This Guide will be updated with instructions on setting up bitcoind 0.6-0.7 asap.
mircea_popescu: tbh the msdos stack bug carnival + bitcoin bug carnival would be one sad hell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if they did i don't recall it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: but actually his is a legitimate request. i guess im adding this to the "wanted maintainer for eulora binaries" thing : wanted maintainer for bitcoin binaries.
asciilifeform: or make good friends with the nuts and bolts alone, for ages.
asciilifeform: n00b, as in any serious business, must apprentice to another.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's an interesting question, "what's the new guy to do". bunch of playing catchup it seems
mircea_popescu: generally the people involved in bitcoin to this level kinda have the history, and a complete file of historical versions and so on.
pete_dushenski: the instructions in my "guide" definitely need improvement. currently point people towards latest bitcoind
mircea_popescu: or if you trust anyone, you get a binary from them
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and where might i find the scripts for this?
asciilifeform read the published script, sees nothing to verify installation of particular known-hygienic classical ver. of bitcoind
Apocalyptic: as these only publish publicly reachable nodes
Apocalyptic: <pete_dushenski> there are now less than 7000 active nodes :( // I don't know where you're getting your data from, but if it's solely based on https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ it's wrong
pete_dushenski: there are now less than 7000 active nodes :(
pete_dushenski: i also managed to sort out the errors i was encountering in debian.
thickasthieves: the logs sum it up
thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world
thickasthieves: the curve would drop off at a point, right?
gribble: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
ben_vulpes: "don't denominate the btc in usd, and vice versa"
ben_vulpes: no, i'm just trying to not watch the markets.
ben_vulpes: i'm trying the taleb approach to noise reduction
mike_c: he meant the play exchanges (nasdaq)
thickasthieves: you can always be together at least
asciilifeform: when read the news, had the idea that ljr was trying to accomplish something like the above.
asciilifeform: re: gentoo & ljr: i'd like to suggest a new patch to the latest bitcoind. if the day of the month is odd, format hdd.
thickasthieves: curated is like saying they take responsibility for 3rd part listings, but not
bounce: well, that's something. IMO a blacklist on actors in the system is still entirely the wrong thing to even have. if you want to filter "abusive" txes you'd have to have some objective measure and preferrably a deterministic detection algorithm of abusiveness.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but until the quantcast is fed...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell thestringpuller New high, 924 views over 459 persons per Wordpress stats
gribble: You rated user molokodesk on Tue Sep 30 07:54:20 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again..
mircea_popescu: if you're the sort of gentoo/linux/foss user that downloads and runs buggy pieces of shit, you're expected to either a) be conversant in code and fix em or else b) not run production.
Luke-Jr: thickasthieves: the default in gentoo is for highly technical users to judge; the reference code is for developers to read
mircea_popescu: in main, whether it be luke or not.
mircea_popescu: look, it's really simple. gentoo doesn't give a shit about bitcoin, it's yet another crackpot app as far as they're concerned. at some internal review it was determined it's much too buggy to be in main, and so it got put wherever they put retarded shit, and put someone in charge of it, in this case luke. the someone in charge is doing weird shit to it, as you'd expect of someone in charge of a buggy piece of shit not
thickasthieves: the default in gentoo is a thing
Luke-Jr: thickasthieves: the reference code is a thing
thickasthieves: we'll say 7 then
thickasthieves: ok how many people using the bitcoin wallet in gentoo would blindly use this default
mircea_popescu: as per usual, reddit makes a mess of things. they're like ten year olds, those people. "o did you hear sugar kills ? sure, it killed sam's dog!"
Luke-Jr: because we can just apply the patch or not
thickasthieves: i'm like dude, look at the list
mircea_popescu: in fact, anyone with the werewithal to boycott as much as a donut stand can just as well patch out whatever.
thickasthieves: this turned into a whole fud in the trader chat, theyre all FINCEN WANTZ BLACKLISTSZ!
bounce: it's a curious discussion. he gets to patch the gentoo bitcoind because he's a core dev? why isn't that patch in mainline then?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's in the logs.
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of: 01:00 <#bitcoin-dev> petertoddgwillen: haha, yeah they do - mircea popescu had me buy him SomethingAwful passes with my credit card a few times so he could troll there
thickasthieves: i know bingo mentioned it used luke's patches, but i didnt know the patches has blacklists
assbot: naspo comments on WARNING: Bitcoin Address Blacklists have been forced into the Gentoo Linux bitcoind distribution by Luke-jr against the will of other core devs. Gentoo maintainers are clueless and not reversing the change. Boycott Gentoo now.
assbot: Why didn't you invest in Eastern Poland? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: they go to the pink sheets, to live as one of a few well specified chumpatron models
decimation: lol dogecoin volume has suddenly doubled on cryptsy the past few weeks
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mircea_popescu: they're back
assbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#comment-108628
mircea_popescu: generally, the proposition that you'll "go to heaven" through a certain recipe is doomed to create monsters
decimation: modern Methodism has degenerated into becoming fairly indistinct from the "liberal religion"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: king of the britains?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km. << unless someone/thing tried to lift it prior
pete_dushenski: "Methodism is like Mormonism in that it follows the life and teachings of a recently living man. Methodism follows Britain John Wesley (1703–1791) and Mormonism follows American Joseph Smith (1805–1844). Maybe you can start a branch of Christianity too!"
pete_dushenski: decimation: they both had found the teachings of one particular man to be worth branching off for
decimation: I guess one could make an argument, given the *
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 02:39:21; decimation: in case folks haven't seen the latest amusement with x86: http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/
pete_dushenski: praise be to pankkake for calling their ass out back in june http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/27/fullnode-co-is-a-scam/
cazalla: it's not good, the only thing that stood out was the guy turned from enthusiastic to gutted, you can't miss it
thickasthieves: it's repelled me from the start
cazalla: he shows his kid a bitcoin difficulty chart and says look at all the people mining, these bfls are shit so im selling em
mircea_popescu: "As he packs up his BFL units to sell, he explains to his son that he threw away his bitcoins and their future because he is stupid and ignored MPOE-PR's posts on Bitcoin Talk. Despite all of this, Dan continues to wear his Butterfly Labs t-shirt till the end of the film, as if it is a remnant, a small piece of a future he will not enjoy."
mircea_popescu: this'd be a decent idea for an oglaf strip : a retarded indian that doesn't quite grok the entire scalping business so he's going around with a string of pubic hair patches
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-rise-and-rise-of-piracy/
asciilifeform: http://teledynebenthos.com/product/acoustic_modems/960-series-atm-966 << off the shelf.
decimation: or swab the bottom somehow
asciilifeform: if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km.
decimation: presumably the closer one can get, the more alternative retrieval methods become feasible
asciilifeform: decimation: to locate what? an ant in the sea ?)
asciilifeform: (there is an - american? - film about it.)
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed, the first step for someone considering 'off-the-grid' navigation would be to find a way to keep the 'fire' of accurate time burning without external aid
thestringpuller: you know time in relation to your current position but not in relation to the mainland.
thestringpuller: well you didn't have a "torch" of time when you left the mainland...at some point watches didn't exist.
asciilifeform: not the same machines as sold to consumers/chumps, yes
decimation: even in those old days they could reconstruct 'time' from solar observations & so forth, just took awhile to do so
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's funny how a quartz watch does what a very expensive device did during the 1700's.
thestringpuller: decimation: this is why it was so difficult to tell time in the sea during the old days.
asciilifeform: trivial retrieval with hydrophone scheme (other than how to find location. learn stellar navigation.)
thestringpuller: but the problem asciilifeform has described makes for more effort of retrieval in the former scenario.
thestringpuller: i understand. my imagination likes to run wild. I was thinking of trusting a >$100k fortune in BTC to a paper wallet via treasure hiding, vs. the so-called "secure" hardware wallets
decimation: thestringpuller: I think the engineering is feasible, but it certainly wouldn't be cheap. As ascii emphasized in that thread, this is for items worth >$100k 'hiding'
thestringpuller: but i don't think many devices could withstand the entire trip
thestringpuller: this also intrigued me about dropping a message in a bottle down the marianas trench...
asciilifeform: titanic is at ~4km, afaik - and, still there...
thestringpuller: the titanic hid all but lost treasures for nearly a century...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: go fetch treasure from 5km+ down.
thestringpuller: not the first time that's happened I suppose...
thestringpuller: well i guess then treasure hunters shall find it in future if you bite the bullet before retrieval.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: hardest part, aside from constructing the hypothetical apparatus, is finding the site again without recourse to satellite.
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: old school treasure << 'the!' treasure thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816402
thestringpuller: lol. sounds like a mole. "trust our wallet". vendor uses backdoor to steal all the consumer funds.
asciilifeform: depends also if pwned by theorist in a garret somewhere, or by vendor, by design, for mass vacuuming
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller prolly.