Adlai: asciilifeform: interesting. the only correlation i can think of for reaction time would be that of overall size, or rather, the length which nerve signals need to travel
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diametric: she once told me she literally believes obama is the anti-christ.
asciilifeform: Adlai: now go and see reaction time vs. intelligence (take your pick of any known simple test for either of the two)
diametric: my aunt is one of them.
decimation: diametric: a nontrival portion of the us population probably believes this
mircea_popescu: the genetics underpinnign cognitive function is debatable and poorly understood.
diametric: the incoming ebola pandemic is brought to you by the evil nazi atheist muslim obama, and his horde of unbelieving non-republican swine that infect our great god fearing nation.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the brain size is not necessarily a predictor of anything. my amd quad is smaller than an old pentium
gabriel_laddel: 'white' environment does not fix this. see, http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2008%20Med%20Hypotheses.pdf
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: IQ isn't all physiology, ie, genetics. Your iq is in part dependent on your epileptics. So, yes, "there’s a lot to the functioning of the brain that’s purely cultural, and thus ethnic" but that "black kids immersed into white culture could in principle get the same IQ measurements as white kids" does not follow. Blacks have smaller brains and lower iq because of their genetics - placing them in a
decimation: dub: are you saying that obama is walking ebola to keep the republicans at home for the elections?
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BingoBoingo: <dub> you forget this is libertard holy grail, fully half of all bitcoiners are sitting in the bunker cleaning ar15 right now << AR-15 is rather heavy for a walk to the exit
asciilifeform: in fact, the yearly holiday where this traditionally takes place is coming soon
dub: you forget this is libertard holy grail, fully half of all bitcoiners are sitting in the bunker cleaning ar15 right now
Adlai: note to self: winds are calmest at the epicenter
Adlai: yeah they really need to release that sequel already
mircea_popescu: Adlai sure, but again, the mass effects are of concern.
asciilifeform: after how many nurses do we conclude that they are all simply tired of living?
diametric: she touched her fucking eyes the last i heard.
diametric: asciilifeform: i'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion based on a single nurse that didn't follow the rules getting ebola to the usg has let it walk at leisure.
diametric: decimation: 2013 was the worst in the last 17 years for measles, entirely due to anti-vaxxers. last thing i want, is measles moving around, and having more chances to mutate.
decimation: at least in the us
mircea_popescu: in short, you have nfi what happens once it reaches the magical 2% i think it was ?
diametric: asciilifeform: it kind of surprises me. if anything, i feel as though the media, and in part the usg, is making ebola sound way more serious in order to keep people in a state of panic. and you're falling right for it.
mircea_popescu: this may be true on an individual level. but large scale biologic phenomena have their own emergent properties.
diametric: less serious in the chances of you getting ebola.
mircea_popescu: sure, but the hooker's got aids and a heroin habit.
diametric: the only person in the US that has died from ebola was the african guy that came here and was already very sick.
asciilifeform: the nurse still lives?
decimation: but that's cold comfort for the couple of people who will die because "we can't control travel from africa"
decimation: diametric: I agree with you that ebola in the us likely has r << 1.0, and will not be a pandemic
asciilifeform: diametric: measles is entirely uninteresting to the vaccinated.
mircea_popescu: so these people here are fucking obsessed with dolce de leche
diametric: asciilifeform: we know how transmissible, even in a country like africa where large families share rooms, the average person only infects 1.5 other people.
The20YearIRCloud: The flu kills plenty in Africa too, but our death rate from yearly flu is something like 0.02%
The20YearIRCloud: It's high in the US too, the difference is here it's not as liekly transmissable, nor as lethal, and there's extreme economic incentive to prevent or treat it
asciilifeform: and doctors are willing to approach them, and resources available
asciilifeform: the thing is, 'actual medical care' for the afflicted is possible when you have a handful.
diametric: we know the fatality rate for ebola if you're a poor african man is double digits.
The20YearIRCloud: If my understanding was right, the infection rate from swine flu was higher, but overall mortality was less
diametric: and then again for swine flu
asciilifeform: after pandemic, the flights will shutter. but different ones - flights out of usa.
decimation: the question is, how many extra us citizen deaths are worth not 'shutting down' travel from africa, whatever that means?
diametric: we're still only sitting at one infection contracted in the US, a nurse that didn't follow the proper protocol when dealing with the index patient (who is now dead). I'm not seeing the incoming pandemic yet.
asciilifeform: that is - just enough for the Folks Who Matter (tm)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in exactly the same place as the goats growing recombinant butyrylcholinesterase (antidote+prophylactic against organophosphate poisoning, $30k+ a dose at current production methods)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what does fox news prescribe for ebola ? << The more important question is where are those magic tobacco plants growing those antibodies
decimation: diametric: this is one of these 'tough calls' that the man-children who pretend to run the usg need to actually make
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decimation: serious imported epidemics could be. The people of American Samoa self-blockaded, on top of official quarantine: they sent out canoes to stop any and all visitors. They never had a single case."
decimation: "Washington didn’t micro-manage American Samoa, not being all that interested. A policy of benign neglect was interpreted by Poyer as an opportunity to act on his best judgment, in the finest traditions of the US Navy. He imposed quarantine. That was harder that it sounds, because of the frequent family visits between West Samoa and American Samoa – but Poyer also had the support of the local chiefs, who understood how
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diametric: decimation: of course, but i think thats happening. (re; the idiot that sneezed and said "sorry i came from africa"
asciilifeform bought the party line from u.s. army textbook on subject earlier
diametric: i find it kind of interesting though, you were in the camp of ebola isn't a serious problem for a first world country when we talked about it a few months ago.
diametric: honestly, though, ebola has an R0 of 2, its less serious than measles which thanks to anti-vax nutters is making a huge comeback. If theres anything to honestly be really worried about, its measles.
diametric: so theres no flights to stop.
diametric: asciilifeform: for what its worth, there is actually no direct flights from west africa to here.
asciilifeform: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/President+obola+obama+and+the+cdc+lied+to+us+about_9c6327_5318978.jpg
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: (no, it’s not all physiology, there’s a lot to the functioning of the brain that’s purely cultural, and thus ethnic, and thus sure black kids immersed into white culture could in principle get the same IQ measurements as white kids while black kids from Africa or the ghetto never will) << lolno.
thickasthieves: omg i'm going to reddit to try to get mpex to support bitcoin, they only take words now!
BingoBoingo: decimation: Their copy says something intel and something recent.
decimation: ah I see his note in the log, thanks for the tip. I wonder what kind of processor they are using
thickasthieves: but no, thank you for giving it a go, i always like to see the new b-a bizs
BingoBoingo: decimation: I think kakobrekla is giving them a spin. I've read mixed reviews.
decimation: it seemed to be among the best deals in 'kvm' hosting
decimation: so reading about lowendhost.net in the [b]logs was useful. has anyone used 'vultr.com'?
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mats_cd03: the only thing i have in mind is bitbet audit 2
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: That just might be the case
decimation: the point being everything is a tradeoff, and many errors of government come from trying to assume the value of something to be infinity - or zero.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Bridge kills no people in it's lifespan because users are warned of the expiration date upon which it will self bomb
decimation: ask any engineer 'how safe' the bridge should be, and he will ask how many people it should kill in a reasonable lifespan
decimation: I think you wrote about the tyranny of infinite liability
mircea_popescu: if you do actuarial averages, about the best construction you can come up with
decimation: whatever happened to those 'red faction' chaps that were using high-end shaped charges in the 80's?
asciilifeform: i for one am quite curious what the first successful use of a uterus bomb will do to 'security theatre.'
asciilifeform: (or uterus bomb, or variations thereof.)
asciilifeform: next step was, i think, 'knockout flights' - with anaesthesia
asciilifeform has considered applying for the pass to see if he'd get one
mircea_popescu: decimation do they refund it if you blow up a plane after all ?
Adlai while reading RagnarDanneskjol's link, wonders whether mircea_popescu has seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wg6rL0n1yk
decimation: the latest thing is that if you pay the tsa $70 you can get your name on a list, so that you go through security 'the way it was before 2001'
mircea_popescu: but you had to be careful or else the adults might catch on.
decimation: mircea_popescu: yes, except they arbitrarily add on various 'strip' features, like your shoes, bags, etc
mircea_popescu: devthedev prolly jurov's coinbr
Adlai: mircea_popescu: isn't much of what you say about anglophonia relevant for many other places too?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> and by 'invade your person' I mean 'subject to arbitrary measures of physical control << they still doing the "freeze" kindergarten game in airports ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: <devthedev> What do you think would be the best way to handle MPEx shares for Qntra? << whatr do you ean handle ?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I suspect that few of the young apprentices that mircea_popescu mentioned ended up dispising the masters who showed them how dumb they were << actually, if the periodic apprentice riots are anything to go by, they probably resented their masters to their grave.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, it is sad that in the us, the gov't has the right to arbitrary invade your person, yet generally forbids those who are put in authority over children the same power
Adlai: BingoBoingo: where in the listing document is there any mention of anything which generates revenue?
decimation: you mean the cruel discipline of nature?
devthedev: What do you think would be the best way to handle MPEx shares for Qntra?
asciilifeform: there is still a stick.
decimation: in the us, wielding the stick is generally banned, as is wielding wet noodles or signs that say 'stick'
decimation: asciilifeform: well, the aforementioned English devised a system where every such chap has a stick-wielder nearby
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asciilifeform: decimation: gedankenexperiment. what stops these folks from, e.g., opening a textbook & studying physics, math, greek, whatever ?
decimation: and 'neighborhoods' in the city
asciilifeform: keep the humans in shitholes with nothing to do << where is this done, outside of u.s. prisons ?
decimation: I suspect that few of the young apprentices that mircea_popescu mentioned ended up dispising the masters who showed them how dumb they were
Adlai: i'm not sure what's humane or better, but i'm open to the possibility of there being better treatments than what we do now
mircea_popescu: Adlai i think english speakers mistreat their children horribly.
decimation: Adlai: do you think it is more 'humane' to pay to keep the humans in shitholes with nothing to do?
asciilifeform: Adlai: the 'animal rights' folks have it backwards. i've met people who envy the pigs.
mircea_popescu: the only disgusting thing is that a minority of kids today are mistreated by not being so treated.
Adlai: and then i stop thinking about it because bacon
Adlai: whenever i think about such ideas, my disgust at the theoretical treatment of people turns into disgust at the actual way we treat animals today
decimation: mircea_popescu: not to mention they sent their criminals and 'surplus young men' into slavery in the colonies
mircea_popescu: decimation in the modern world too
mircea_popescu: the process built like 99% of any english speaker worth a name in all history.
decimation: in the ancient world it is my understanding that selling children into slavery was in some cases the 'social safety net'
mircea_popescu: pretty much every snotty brat got shipped off to slave labour at the age of about 7.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this isn't some sort of crazy altenrate world. one of the chief pillars of english prosperity, not just financial but espexcially intellectual, was the flourishing free market in children they had.
asciilifeform: i wish we could ask herr rothbard about the market value of... ebola.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: no, let them try to use all nine letter words :D
Adlai: obligatory rothbard quote, "the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children"
mircea_popescu: much like the vast majority of people writing should be charged
decimation: I have a friend who made his teenagres pay the utility bills
mircea_popescu: the vastmajority should be charged for it.
Adlai: there's a doonesbury somewhere out there where mike's dad gives him a bill for all his parenting, including his share of rent
mircea_popescu: cocksucking's by far the better deal.
mircea_popescu: any helicopter mom can run the mouth for longer than anyone can maintain an erection.
mircea_popescu: this is plainly untrue. if teenager rent is null then pretty much any woman's rent is also null.
mircea_popescu: * Adlai is a bit puzzled by the incentives arising from s.qntr's share model... authors are incentivized to write the longest possible article which will pass review, while the editor is incentivized to pick the shortest available article on a specific subject << works i guess.
Adlai looks at the listing again
BingoBoingo: Well, there's a timeline to answer how beyond what is contained in the listing document. Any or all of the methods proposed there may be considered.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> larval cycle where you are supported by external wires (parents, student debt, etc.) << clearly spending your own money as you see fit should be a better position than begging mom/govt. so if that's what it is then... yeah, waste it. it sucks.
Adlai: BingoBoingo: "how" is the key word :)
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/nsa-eci-the-intercept-14-1010.pdf << now we know what drawer in the indiana jones vault contains rsa pill.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or is there a set of staff authors ... ? << set as in brothel. anyone can submit for an audition
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs, i'm happy to loosen requirements if article quality is up to par, what do people think? << yah if they're in the wot at all and they submit something that's decent should be ok
xanthyos: much of the btc criticism i read online hearkens back to mtgox, like mtgox is this powerful buzzword that trumps all arguments, like rudy giuliani did with "9/11"
asciilifeform: pertaining to the crown jewels.
Adlai: decimation: after one of the snowden leaks, there were some emails sent around govt networks asking people not to open the leaked documents on workstations with lower clearance than the leaks
cazalla: and why would i be incentivised to write short articles? i can earn from the same pool of shares other authors do
decimation: One cannot imagine a better situation for allowing bureaucrats unlimited freedom of action than to create a massive propaganda apparatus (hollywood) which everyone (including dear leaders) believe to be the truth.
cazalla: if anything it will act as motivation for them to contribute a lot of quality content and possibly earn more than they would have by publishing it elsewhere
decimation: asciilifeform: that 'spytainment' paper is hilarious. I especially like the part about re-classification of previously publically released material.
cazalla: Adlai, providing contributors adhere to quality guidelines, i don't see long articles to be a problem for the website
Adlai: that doesn't necessarily produce the "best" content, although trying to incentivize "better" content through share distribution might be misguided
Adlai is a bit puzzled by the incentives arising from s.qntr's share model... authors are incentivized to write the longest possible article which will pass review, while the editor is incentivized to pick the shortest available article on a specific subject
asciilifeform: 'Perhaps even more disturbing, evidence suggests that policymakersfrom cadets at West Point to senators on the Intelligence Committee to Supreme Court Justicesare referencing fake spies to formulate and implement real intelligence policies...'
asciilifeform: at any rate, the difference between disaster and war is that dodges don't work against war - it responds in kind.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems as if you're still thinking of the whole thing as a natural disaster - rather than open biological warfare by usg against own subjects
Adlai: makes me just want to wait until the movie comes out
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Adlai: ok, this is the first time i've watched a video trailer for a book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruba41fF1Ag
Adlai: another possibility is to wash your hands before you eat, and use straws instead of benjies
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if so, the simplest device is... a bank. the infected cash is brought to the bank, and given to the hapless devil inside. afterwards, one walks six metres to the cash machine and withdraws clean cash (generally, where i live, only newly-printed money is ever placed into the cassette, to avoid jamming rollers.) << Out I get some used, but pressed bills out of the cash machine
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Depending on where one places their cut off for "life" it could be. I'm of the opinion that fire meets the minimum qualifications for living though.
Adlai: "free from bacteria or other living microorganisms; totally clean"
Adlai: technically (the best kind of) speaking, isn't material contaminated with ebolavirus still considered "sterile"?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if so, the simplest device is... a bank. the infected cash is brought to the bank, and given to the hapless devil inside. afterwards, one walks six metres to the cash machine and withdraws clean cash (generally, where i live, only newly-printed money is ever placed into the cassette, to avoid jamming rollers.)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in the literal sense?
mats_cd03: guess ill go to the harvard law school library and bug some librarians for tips
mats_cd03: i am realizing the West Key system is not going to be helpful in doing this legal research
asciilifeform: for some of the people in question, this has been artificially extended into 20s, 30s, and on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'youth' article: when americans repeat the maxim 'don't waste your youth', generally they aren't talking about purely chronological age. what they really mean is 'youth' in the sense of the larval cycle where you are supported by external wires (parents, student debt, etc.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything for the occasion. Maybe eventually a staff? Qntra only pays in equity though.
cazalla: ideally they find some news, verify rumour, something of interest to readers that is original
asciilifeform: or is there a set of staff authors ... ?
asciilifeform: cazalla: how does this work again? people submit items written for the occasion? or are they licensed from other sites ?
cazalla: so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs, i'm happy to loosen requirements if article quality is up to par, what do people think?
asciilifeform is able to identify the smaller devices in the upper right hand corner of photo, but not the large rectangular apparatus.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to imagine anything other than a mutilated corpse following 'won't believe what happens next' phrase. << Woodchipper fan fiction
asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to imagine anything other than a mutilated corpse following 'won't believe what happens next' phrase.
Adlai: i've been seeing "you won't believe what happens next" since the first banner ads
asciilifeform: rewire, homebrew. but do occasionally study how the damn thing works.
mircea_popescu: still, you gotta gimme something. don't use standard stuff, don't homebrew, what then ? wait for god ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, cryptography does not work this way. you can walk around for years as a zombie, while not knowing that you're really blown your brains out years ago and ought to rest in the grave.
mircea_popescu: ideally, by the time he's old enough to have a gun he has enough experience with peashooters to know better.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes. for the exponent example specifically, see coppersmith's attack.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not hard to see why schneier and his owner would tell us 'don't homebrew crypto', but the propaganda has a basis in honest fact - average 'k00l d00dz' programmer will hang himself with own gun
cazalla: that youtube video from other week
kakobrekla: they wont learn
mircea_popescu: i suppose the user-friendliest solution would be to get a cheapo cert and then redirect it via mod_rewrite
mircea_popescu: it'll just bitch about expired cert then
Apocalyptic: the transmitted data
Apocalyptic: mircea, it at least adds security in the sense of preventing sniffing by some derps
Apocalyptic: the ssl cert provided seems to be for *.battlequest.com
cazalla: i didn't reg an ssl cert, the domain was dropped by qntra.com at some point i believe
Apocalyptic: <Adlai> qntra.net seems to have some ssl issue? // just got the error
kakobrekla: also is there a point in ssl if its optional
Adlai: well, the certificate is issued for a different domain name
mircea_popescu: also pete_dushenski, mike_c, RagnarDanneskjol, other interested parties ^
kakobrekla: i dont know the details - not registered.
Adlai: another beautiful understatement
Adlai: (otherwise why would people still be on bitfinex)
Adlai: it seems as though all the software is in place, and this is obviously a feature that the average trader loves to use
kakobrekla: as for the infrastructure - i am quite confident they have less than half of what they had a year ago
Apocalyptic: Adlai, you're familiar with the "same deposit address to multiple customers" issue ?
kakobrekla: that is just one of the 1000 and 1 fails of kraken
Adlai: that doesn't make them derpy, just drastically lacking in infrastructure... which is a little derpy for an exchange
kakobrekla: prolly the most retarded setup on this planet.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they all got raped because they thought themselves smarter than the b-a crowd.
kakobrekla: and to add more to the logs, today from Darko (kraken) : The documentation on the partial payment feature is very poor. Even the Stellar Development Foundation only learned of the issue this past week. Even though there was an update to the Stellar code base to remove the feature, we are nonetheless taking the Stellar gateway offline until we can fully evaluate everything ourselves. Overly cautious perhaps, but we'd rather be overly
thestringpuller: i dunno where we've discussed it to be honest. so the log search is not helping me. i'm also an idiot with archival retrieval sooo
ben_vulpes: damn ninjashogun you can't even be arsed to use the convenient logsearch?
ninjashogun: Let's talk about something interesting. Did you guys see htat Reddit's investors are giving 10% of their series B round to the reddit community? (http://blog.samaltman.com/reddit)
thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: i only rate people when I do extensive interactions with them. or interactions highly dependent on trust.
ninjashogun: What did you mean then?
kakobrekla: verbal is actually the wrong word here. hehe
ninjashogun: kakobrekla, yes of course they do.
ninjashogun: I mean they give the impression of being based on something (transactions with me etc).
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