mircea_popescu: guy in the hospital. adlai talks to doctor : this dude should get casts. casts are cool. doctor to adlai : did you see his xrays ? adlai umm... no. but casts are cool.
mircea_popescu: are they supposed to work just like that, in principle, don't even need to know what you're suggesting about or anything ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not. i'm instead kloinking you over the head for the add-water-and-stir suggestion dust you got.
Adlai: i'm far from convinced they're good for anything, but the only way to really know is by watching them break under stress/attacks
Adlai: don't have too much interesting to say about it, i'd rather discuss decentralized assets
Adlai: i dealt mostly with making data accessible for my boss, so he could perform the actual analysis
Adlai: custom stack handrolled from google bigquery and excel glued together with mutant python scripst
mircea_popescu: so research what, derping on google analytics and whatever other clickbezzlor node.js websites ?
mircea_popescu: too lazy to dig, but how diod they end ? acquihire ? simple burnout ?
Adlai: mircea_popescu: your article mainly addresses problems with decentralized security systems as a replacement for high-frequency exchanges. i think it's still possible to issue tokens such as readership credits (or movie tickets, etc) in this fashion, since their market is a lot less dependant upon dedicated market makers
mircea_popescu: nobody particularly cares if you stay or go, but people wil get pretty aggravated by this sort of pr/party line approach. the reason this is a cool forum is exactly not allowing that sorta crap.
mircea_popescu: mpmcsweeney: my name is Stan Higgins - Im heavily involvd in our newsroom and I can safely say we accept no payment of any kind from companies << that's bs, you know it, i know it, why even bother with it ?
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> the advantage of using colored coins is that it should be fairly straightforward to adapt trilema's readership credit code to deal with them << http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer 21.68 GB / 48.83 GB, first day on new host, "we're gonna need a bigger boat" << that was at some point the counter ran
thickasthieves: <+Apocalyptic> thickasthieves, I guess you can remove "- Vote for ATC to be listed at MintPal.com!" from therealaltcoin.org /// done. removed the hitbtc one too
Adlai: holy shit, intersection right outside my door is flooded up to the windshields of private cars
Apocalyptic: thickasthieves, I guess you can remove "- Vote for ATC to be listed at MintPal.com!" from therealaltcoin.org
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think your solution is definitely better than the $5k machine I linked. I doubt anyone makes something like it, and if they did it wouldn't be cheap
mpmcsweeney: and its good to meet others who share that enthusiasm :D
mpmcsweeney: I guess my point is that there's honestly no influence to our reporting, at least as far as I as a reporter and editor can tell -- and Im intimately involved in the process
BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: There's just things people who came here before coindesk was worry about
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mpmcsweeney: but to my knowledge (I used to be in the marketing content biz and I have asked) we've never gone down that road
BingoBoingo: Is the answer
BingoBoingo: Somewhere up there
BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: You can hang here, just be aware that... Coindesk kind of does the sponsored content thing... The just do the plausible deniability thing too...
mpmcsweeney: our only revenue generator currently are the recent ads we kicked off
Adlai: mpmcsweeney: anything you care to say publicly (this channel is logged) about their sponsored content practices?
asciilifeform: and time/pressure dispensers drool (literally.) and suckback hose does not help - if set to a backpressure that actually has any effect, the contents of the syringe end up slowly sliding up, and eventually into the vacuum pump. schlurp.
BingoBoingo: hirsute cats... the future
asciilifeform: decimation: my apparatus is only manual in the sense that i lack the time/equipment to produce autofeeders, so the lifter must be guided over pre-popped tape manually.
Adlai: cazalla: tl;dr: a decentralized readership token offloads some risk from the administrators to the asset bagholders
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Manul pick and place... once the immune system is worked out
Adlai: another way of looking at it: you auction off tokens to guage readership interest, then reserve hosting capacities accordingly
asciilifeform: decimation: manual pick&place << not the least bit like what i'm doing. that's just a frame where you move the carriage with hands. can't move to coordinates of known points.
Adlai: rather than hoping that revenue exceeds expenses
Adlai: less risky for the blog administrators
Adlai: the advantage of using colored coins is that it should be fairly straightforward to adapt trilema's readership credit code to deal with them
Adlai: (or some other asset issuance thingy if you don't like colored coins)
mpmcsweeney: some asshole was on Bloomberg TV talking about native advertising, its a real shame what has become of the written word
Apocalyptic: so about this Mintpal critical bug, there was a guy in -otc some days ago claiming he found a bug
Adlai: this process could make for some interesting posts as it happens "live", although i'm busy on other aspects atm
Adlai: at some point i want to make indicators based on the philosophy that my bot uses, since none of the existing ones exactly mirror this
mpmcsweeney: hey man thats part of the process
Adlai: but i'm currently unable to produce "news" other than that
Adlai would want to contribute an original article, not just paraphrase/edit shitty pieces from other sites
mpmcsweeney: crypto is the best story in technology yet
Adlai: we folks are a strict superset of the qntra team
mpmcsweeney: you folks are the qntra team no?
mircea_popescu: mkay then.
BingoBoingo: Andreas would be a match for the timing
decimation: asciilifeform: https://www.manncorp.com/smt-place-2000-manual-pick-and-place.html << sorta like what you are building I guess "The built-in time/pressure dispenser handles both solder paste and adhesives, with a syringe vacuum control feature that can be adjusted to prevent low-viscosity liquids from dripping out of the syringe." << sounds dubious
asciilifeform: (i've misplaced the 3 of clubs in a moving crate somewhere, i think)
asciilifeform: though for certain arbitrary legal criteria (barrel too long, too short, too thick, something or other, IANAL) you have to fill out a form of some sort
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where i live there are gigantic markets where such hardware is bought and sold with cash
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For some tools, the only vendors don't care where money is headed because they have inventory
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Needhelp: If you read the comments, you should get both sides of the story. My bet is the last one in, someone is claiming it was after bet was determined, but the time stamps should show it was 38 minutes before the deciding trade.
Needhelp: Potential problem in the site with a finished bet. I think someone is trying to claim my bet is invalid in comments, but I think it is.
Needhelp: Thanks, are there any admins for bitbet here?
mircea_popescu: at which point he moved to actual ddos as opposed to wordpress reflect crud, which is being mediated in the normal manner.
mircea_popescu: that resulted in a ban for any node calling the fucking obviously nonstandard url
mircea_popescu: mike_c 90% of the attack was mitigated simply by using a html file for root, instead of the php. guy did like 3 blasts before figuring it out. then it did a blast in which instead of / he called /index.php?[randnumber]
mike_c: how are you mitigating the attack? big ip ban lists?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first ~2mn lines all carry the tell tale GET / HTTP/1.0" 508 7287 "-" "WordPress/4.0; http://autobg.eu; verifying pingback from 94.102.51.30 headers.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh, they really care nao?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wordpress was their last weapon.
asciilifeform: that is, if you process the output of noise apparatus as prescribed, you get the expected result; if you forget to, and call 'return(3)' as in the comic - not.
PinkPosixPXE: asciilifeform: For serious security, perhaps yes, but everything runs on hardware, it's just the software layer that interacts with how entropy is derived from teh hardware wether it's something you plug in or something you run on a server
asciilifeform: nothing new under the sky.
asciilifeform: ('inferior' is perhaps poor choice of word here. for cryptographic purposes. for, say, homework, where the run must be replicable - one must use prng.)
PinkPosixPXE: When the Mycelium Entropy is inserted into the USB drive, hardware-based entropy is harnessed to create a large, truly random, number. The random number is generated using a static RAM chip, which Holcomb, D.E.; Burleson, W.P.; and Fu. K. have proven is capable of generating “128-bit true random numbers.” This number is then used as the seed to generate a private key and corresponding Bitcoin
PinkPosixPXE: There's that new usb device called 'entropy' which is a usb coin wallet, that you can just plug in https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/mycelium-successfully-funds-usb-bitcoin-wallet-device-entropy-with-indiegogo/
asciilifeform: not hardware driven << a schoolboy can write his own 'mersenne twister', get the same inferior result, for no effort really.
PinkPosixPXE: it uses /dev/urandom, it's not hardware driven, it just pulls entropy through rng-tools software, rather than 'mouse input' or 'disk activity' etc.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: in the sense of 'it works better if you plug it in' ?
PinkPosixPXE: ignore the debian portion, rng-tools is something most OS's should have available
BingoBoingo: At the moment universe is headed to a hate death, because Wordpress's Matt Mullenwang dunno priorities
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PinkPosixPXE: from each other
PinkPosixPXE: hehe, well now the theory has changed to the "cold death" of the universe, as it's expanding at an ever increasing rate, and galaxies/etc. are moving further away
asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: tools that help increase entropy << what've we come to. as if the heat death of universe weren't arriving quickly enough...
PinkPosixPXE: ok, I'm not the only one struggling in that department ;P ... No offense intended of course
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit. << Maor concerned with shaming WP matt
PinkPosixPXE: I mean, there's plenty of hardware abounds, it depends what you want, want to use it for, and your budget/access to hardware
asciilifeform: pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit.
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Overheated to the extent that magic smoke
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, commodore-64 (and 128) had hardware noise. (in the 6581 sound chip.)
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Yeah, talking about specific hardware I cooked before trying to gen GPG keys using the NetBSD PGP implementation
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: I'd need more details, but essentially you can use rng-tools/rng to increase the entropy on a server. How it would be implemented for your exact use, would require more discussion.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: it used to sort by rating value... i figured sorting by rating total is a more informative first display... though ideally it would sort by 'total trust from nanotube' or something like that, but that would require writing some code to run those calculations in batch mode and caching them, cuz running every rater live would be expensive...
TomServo: Adlai: http://therealaltcoin.org/
PinkPosixPXE: or if anyone needs help with a linux issue, I can try to assist there
Apocalyptic: hopefully in a week we'll be at the new diff
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: It is the only way to play. C is supposed to be portable. If your kernel can't take SPARC or 68K I dunno if it is correct enough to live
BingoBoingo: thedrinkingrecord.com still abides nao that cacheing is reenavled
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: A Motorola 6800, hrm fairly old, you want to scale out and replace it, or change the setup how, precisely?
kakobrekla: Whats the ramble about?
PinkPosixPXE: I don't choose the OS's, I just build them, configure, and maintain them when they break while management snaps the whip
BingoBoingo: RH is on the naughty list for pushing SystemDeviant out
PinkPosixPXE: I really prefer rhel/centos, but ubuntu is ok too, we use a variety of flavors in our environment, but those are the main ones.
PinkPosixPXE: I just didn't want to jump into trading right away, but if that was the requirement for level 2/+v, wanted to check
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE as long as someone o nthe lordship list trusts you you're in.
PinkPosixPXE: I read the documentation, but I think I'm missing something
PinkPosixPXE: So to get level 2, I have to accomplish a few trades that go well and get in the ranking system, correct?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: but oh no, matt derpyweed knows better and has made "technical tradebacks" or w/e they're called.
BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Are you the reddit police?
nubbins`: what in the world are you into
mircea_popescu: may be only now scripts are catching up with all the funs.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The domain qntra.net qntra has reached its bandwidth limit (22195.78/20000.00 Megs).
BingoBoingo: For Srs, also first, best time thedrinkingrecord was Dos
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not that many week old sites get quarter gb apache logfiles after all. << Actually this is the ass end of week 2
mircea_popescu: in fact, that may well exceed the total logfile of all bitcoin newsites to date.
mircea_popescu: well anyway, consider these past few hours your baptism of fire ?
mircea_popescu: ppls are "wtf is he talking about. can't be." then later "oh."
cazalla: yeah i can see that, not login yet, gonna jump on windows and see what it is like there
devthedev: Does anyone know if there's a way to determine how long a site's been offline?
devthedev: I'm on the laptop
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Maybe gribble auth?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
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assbot: Anyone else see the humor in /moolah_io advertising zero fee trading to entice people into depositing before they shut down?
BingoBoingo: I kind of thought having the slave name on the listing would make people less inclined to feed me hate.
Apocalyptic: mircea, the DDOS is still ongoing ?
BingoBoingo: I dunno how much hate I have left to give, and I'm full of hate at the moment.
BingoBoingo: I don't surrender to motherfuckers who could arrest me, why would I surrender to people who merely DOS me?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Maybe, but atm they are just making my dick harder
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo perhaps ddoser is reading the lawgs
devthedev: BingoBoingo: Yeah, there's a ton of cloudflare resolvers that are pretty accurate. (Tried finding my server IP behind it)
Apocalyptic: devthedev, some mad "investor" ? poor consolation
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Server IP should be obvious, cloudflare bullshit is for mammilian potatoes
devthedev: Maybe someone discovered the server IP and DoS'ed it?
devthedev: You would think that they would at least keep the Moolah site online as the community's gathering info for our negative articles.
mircea_popescu: you get a condom, put the phone inside, then shove it in either the girl's vagina or asshole
BingoBoingo: At least Dreamhost admits fault when their shitbox plan sucks dick
BingoBoingo: thedrinkingrecord.com now DOS'd
devthedev: I always have this in the back of my mind, Lol <kakobrekla> you have a death wish?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Put one on the personal blawg http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3912903
mircea_popescu: devthedev "investors"
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks? <<< btw, you want data to write a qntra ddos piece or not really ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
devthedev: DNS hasn't propagated over there yet?
cazalla: you might have to forward your article to BingoBoingo devthedev, i'm unable to access the dashboard yet
BingoBoingo: Maybe two Moolah stories then?
devthedev: Okay, I actually worked with Moolah personally in the past.
cazalla: devthedev, i was going to write up the moolah story but you can do that one if you like, i have another one to work on
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks?
BingoBoingo: !up themediator
BingoBoingo: Yeah, now the new hosting is strong on plow
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
kakobrekla: punkman make a new user for the thing clearly
BingoBoingo: Also allegedly the other party is not a conservative, but the avatar of socialism incarnate.
kakobrekla: dobian then?
nubbins`: it's like they just rolled a bunch of word dice.
`jurov`: they will be implemented in php soon
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cazalla: hmm something is messed up then
cazalla: ok dns refreshed but i see old posts, not new ones, do you guys see the IS article or write for qntra on front page?
mircea_popescu: for the lulz : logs are... 135.53 MB now.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i recall the same thing, was kinda surprised.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nanotube could the defaults on viewratingdetail.php be sorted by time rather than by rate'rs total point count ? it kinda pointlessly emphasises a meaningless measure, as-is. <<< iirc this used to be the way it worked, and only recntly changed to sort by rater total rating.
mircea_popescu: otherwise everyone sinks in this mire of "creativity" and bullshit.
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be some enforced responsibility somehow, somewhere
thestringpuller: Oops the actual quote: "Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?"
thestringpuller: What is that saying, "Have you ever thought of turning off the TV, sitting down with your children and hitting them?"
mircea_popescu: if it were common knowledge there wouldn't be 100k+ broken wordpress installs all over the net.
mircea_popescu: the next best thing you can do for sugar, spice and everything nice, after owning some bitcoin, is beating your kids when they fuck up.
mircea_popescu: and it all stems from the boneheaded tolerance to idiocy and incompetence that has become part of western culture.
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the most immoral state of affairs one could imagine
mircea_popescu: the net result is that unless you're rich and powerful, you're fucked.
mircea_popescu: the net is full of crap, and instead of people urinating the mouths of crapmongers a la matt mullenweg and co,
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so click the linx
bounce: need a pingback sink then?
BingoBoingo: Oh is it the Reddit police?
mircea_popescu: jurov i dunno, but thanks. adding it all to the ping list.
bounce: you could try and condense the actual attack into a single paragraph. the paper and announcement are less than helpful.
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mircea_popescu: lol the log's 50mb
jurov: yes, but still better than letting cgi/php run for them
jurov: um... add some apache/nginx rule to weed out these pingback as soon as possible?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the site's online, it's being mitigated, whatevs.
Apocalyptic: the SSL lulz keeps on
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Adlai: tbh it's amazing that a business primarily focused on "payment" processing for the dogeconomy was able to survive this long
thickasthieves: the bell tolls
dub: another victim of success
mircea_popescu: "After 10 months as a high-risk startup in a volatile environment, Moolah has reached a stage where it is unable to continue operations in todays market. With rising costs and dropping revenue, and the loss of a number of key clients vital to the ongoing operation of the company, we are no longer able to continue functioning."
mircea_popescu: the universe is balanced again.
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Adlai: at least "If you fail to withdraw your funds before the platform is shut down on October 31st, you will receive an email asking you where you want your funds to go."
cazalla: just making backups before i nuke the old one and we'll see
mircea_popescu: 206.x is the new.
mircea_popescu: sucks to live in the sticks eh cazalla ?
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thickasthieves: http://cardozolaw.hosted.panopto.com/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=01b5be00-c8df-4688-a1dc-5302b6ca3c7e in Lawsky in 10m, the video feed has a chat function if qntra wants to ask Q's
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: i'm not part of the 'cash economy' in any way, shape, or form. but even if i had the skills and social connections to house and feed myself using paper benjamins, it is quite impossible to obtain industrial equipment and parts from overseas in that way. <<< yeah, which is why meth isn't a problem either.
jurov: what? you mean ascii to confuse some agency into believeing that NSA ordered the cardano manufacture?
bounce: wonder if buying chunks of laid up corporate tax evasion bezzle at a discount would be sellable to them corps.
bounce: if the fab is laid up there's lots of tax break leverage. but you'd have to be a big corp to really make that happen. you know, apple and their sea^Wocean of bezzle. they can't use it in the usa though, have to buy up something somewhere else.
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asciilifeform: jurov: recall my gravity well analogy. one gram of rocket fuel gets you nowhere nearer to escaping, e.g., earth or moon. a hundred tonnes - does. the gram brings you nearer to blowing out from the well only in the sense that it's one gram less that you must collect.
jurov: then, if you can't use btc now, how it will change?
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2014 05:27:15; asciilifeform: the pick'n'place cum pastelayer is the only cut to a 'gordian knot' - namely, can't have the boards populated at a genuine factory (prohibitive cost for small batches) - but can't populate by hand with acceptable yield (very fine-pitch components)
asciilifeform: bounce: this discussion is academic, however, because we can't afford the NRE that would be involved in having prototypes made in a 'proper' plant.
asciilifeform: jurov: i have made inquiries. they know about it. but no one, readily, yet works for coin. or, more importantly, can be trusted to carry out a contract with the white man without the strings attached to using fiat/usd.
jurov: one needs to get creative. these overseas people don't know about btc?
asciilifeform: jurov: i'm not part of the 'cash economy' in any way, shape, or form. but even if i had the skills and social connections to house and feed myself using paper benjamins, it is quite impossible to obtain industrial equipment and parts from overseas in that way.
asciilifeform: jurov: there are groups of deviants in nyc, etc. who are said to trade btc to and from usd in cash. but this is not very useful to me in particular.
jurov: i did not mean it as cocncrete advice, just that there are things i did not deem possible before
asciilifeform: jurov: having large cash holdings is a health hazard where i live. and it isn't like i can buy machinery from, e.g., taiwan, with it, either.
cazalla: i'm not gonna try and contact the guy, aus gov already kicked down a bunch of doors for less
cazalla: it's not but that twitter account was complaining about it at the same time
cazalla: plus given the host admitted to shutting it down, prob is legit, no donations yet anyway
mircea_popescu: the derp brigades on social media are something else i swear.