thickasthieves: this sounds a bit like the colored coins conversation ;)
thickasthieves: well the trying t be different, i thought, was to eschew now-common problems in news
mircea_popescu: the blog is the superset of the written word. tom sawyer is a badly implemented blog.
mike_c: they have categories. same difference.
mircea_popescu: yes thickasthieves. the issue is as follows : no matter how much fun you'll have, there's more people making more people having more fun than you out there.
thickasthieves: there's also an ironic conflict of interest for 3 owners in writing
thickasthieves: but the inflating shares bring issues
mircea_popescu: bounce so they can't report on derpy stuff like moolah or w/e ?
thickasthieves: i think doing it for the equity is great
thickasthieves: you put out a carrot and then say, oh dont worry about that
thickasthieves: they also wont be worth striving for
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves he means that by the time there's 10bn, a few more added won't make a difference
thickasthieves: so they stop diluting?
mike_c: they dilute in a geometrically decreasing fashion
mike_c: they don't constantly dilute
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> no, they constantly dilute except for active writers. << clever
mircea_popescu: no, they constantly dilute except for active writers.
thickasthieves: they constantly dilute, except for core owners
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> womenz can not be owned!!1 << the line is that humans cannot be owned, and it's only spouted by those who've not realized they're owned
thickasthieves: i'm having trouble seeing the value in S.QNTR shares
mircea_popescu: well yes. so there yo uhave it : any way you go about things you're going to be selecting something.
thickasthieves: factually i took a shit at the same time too
mircea_popescu: what do you contest ? the link ?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves looky. factually the btc bottom happened. factually the dow movement happened.
thickasthieves: this is the same as the wot concepts, the including footnotes and source links concepts, etc
ben_vulpes: relatedly: why do guys derp on about PMS and not about the ovulation?
mircea_popescu: the reason accuracy is a concept at all is that news can't ever be correct. which is why estimates are accurate and calculations are correct.
TomServo: I'd like to see qntra stick to the (published!) facts, personally.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "fuck me" it is that time of the month, yes
mircea_popescu: the word is news.
thickasthieves: lies are lies, wherever they are communicated
thickasthieves: are you saying 'they started it!' ?
mircea_popescu: that's what's so attractive about the newsman job. you get to rape a bunch of people's heads.
mircea_popescu: news, dood. doesn't ask you anything. it just puts the burden upon you to make room for it in your gestaalt as it were
mike_c: seems stylistically like a piece for the opinion page.
mircea_popescu: i dunno thickasthieves, let the editor figure it out neh ?
asciilifeform: nd I felt the secret influence of an idea that the two were destined to live and die together.'
asciilifeform: 'The exhibitor, Professor Faber, was a sad-faced man, dressed in respectable well-worn clothes that were soiled by contact with tools, wood, and machinery. The room looked like a laboratory and workshop, which is was. The Professor was not too clean, and his hair and beard sadly wanted the attention of a barber. I had no doubt that he slept in the same room as the figurehis scientific Frankenstein monstera
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thickasthieves: but i suspect there's a reason it aint done this way
thickasthieves: i mean i like the idea n all
TomServo: Oh, you thought you were milking the cow? We don't have a cow.
mircea_popescu: annnnnnd next time, before thinking about fucking with the bull, think about the horns.
mircea_popescu: i'm not sleepy and there is no place i'm going to
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bounce: "who is the zombie now, mister moviegoing fan?"
mircea_popescu: the one thing any entertainer in the world would pay for, would be a memory zap device.
TomServo: of course, not when you can 're-imagine' and resell the same POS.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the apple emulator ban is an instance of a much larger and more interesting phenomenon.
assbot: Apple KILLS SUPER MARIO. And Zelda. And Sonic The Register
asciilifeform: speaking of apple -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/09/apples_kills_super_mario_and_zelda_and_sonic_bastards
Apocalyptic: thickasthieves, the picture is priceless
asciilifeform: somebody really doesn't like the schneier piece? or was it the crown jewels catalogue circa '03?
asciilifeform: in other news, 'cryptome' appears to be under heavy ddos.
asciilifeform: apple was kept alive to play 'good cop' to microshit in the '90s, yes.
mircea_popescu: !up TheBroker
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mircea_popescu: <penguirker> New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-register-man-hunts-insufficiently-random-nonce
mircea_popescu: they
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: amd hired away most of the original dec alpha team. but not all.
mircea_popescu: "Of note is the 3.2GHz Pentium 4, coming in competitive with the G5, but significantly behind the Opteron and Athlon 64 systems."" << i wonder if these two share tech.
mircea_popescu: like saying you enjoy the feel of 17yo pussy giving way or something
mircea_popescu: easy enough fix, just bring back the mp education system. examine the kids aged 7, 11, 15 and 19. kill a tenth each time.
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-register-man-hunts-insufficiently-random-nonces-blockchain-info-wallets-vulnerable/
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: in which otherwise functional humans can end up seo experts, also.
asciilifeform: actually, the dogfood mechanism being selective for born seo experts is not a necessary hypothesis
mircea_popescu: because all the seo experts of his time were dogfood by age 6
asciilifeform: and probably could not even imagine synthetic food, etc.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, seneca lived 94 years just as well as buffett or w/e
asciilifeform: jurov: nah, i think the y2k crap has all been snipped out by now
mircea_popescu: the current day progressive averages all that out and comes up with o wow, "life expectancy has doubled"!!!1
jurov: asciilifeform was there a "damage from incorrect date calculation", like in my household insurance?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, one of the major pillars of the fallacious theory of "progress" is exactly this. back in 1700, a bunch of retarded kids that should never have lived died before being 21.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform statistics is perhaps the hardest thing for the monkey brain to grok << +1
mircea_popescu: harder than crypto, tho the fonts of difficulty be well related
asciilifeform: i'm not particularly interested in the chances of having died while 5
asciilifeform: if you never lived, you're not part of the equation.
asciilifeform: ussr did not calculate life expectancy using the retard formula
mircea_popescu: if this happened in the us, too, it'd be a much better place to be.,
asciilifeform: and the ones not underwater - are one wave away from being under
mircea_popescu: no, because 100mn europeans and 80mn usians are a tiny sliver of a 600mn population in their 30s
mircea_popescu: well sure, plenty of people in their 30s are underwater
asciilifeform: both, either.
nubbins`: i had a prof get overcome once when a student presented a surprisingly succinct proof in ring theory
asciilifeform: well normally the 'problems' generator is used very sparingly, because most folks lack $maxint
mircea_popescu: only thing i ever heard an excited mathematician say was
mircea_popescu: other than problems.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one can theoretically try this in usa, but it will cost $maxint. and at the end of the day can end up 'having problems.'
mircea_popescu: so in the end i only overturned the dumbass "regulation" they had invented in the first place.
mircea_popescu: and so they dropped it.
mircea_popescu: and in a dispute with the romanian immigration service five years ago or so, they brought this objeciton in court, specifically, that i can't sue them before i do arbitration
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are SOP today, for things as mundane as telephone service.
asciilifeform: 'arbitration' in usa is a term where the folks who fuck you over with the contract specify that you agreed to use tame judges, of their choosing (who are not in fact judges of the crown) in any dispute.
mircea_popescu: gotta love these people.
mircea_popescu: o the arbitration thing
mircea_popescu: maybe im behind the times, this was a 2000s event
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform umm well you need a better contract then
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asciilifeform: and these have held up in court, too
asciilifeform: the particular contract i saw specifically waived the right to sue anybody for anything.
mircea_popescu: gotta help the enemy breed loyalty after all.
mircea_popescu: that's why you name the people in question. see if they're willing to lie for the bank or not.
asciilifeform: why would they need to 'lose' paperwork.
asciilifeform: so the paperwork will state, box sat in good order until such-a-date when god disintegrated it with death ray
mircea_popescu: see the beauty of it all ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to the box contract in all extant u.s. banks, they can simply 'lose' the contents, and max liability is a joke number
mircea_popescu: bounce> and on top of that, they'll let any old law enforcement take a look-see but should you die, may or may not let your executor in << if they do you can sue, and they will settle.
asciilifeform: the weakest link in the system is the automatically the value of x in 'x access-controlled.'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: that's called - vault with rectothermal (or, hammer drill...) access control.
bounce gets the $5 wrench
nubbins`: i guess i'm actually imagining it, because the nebulous thing in my head right now isn't really a picture
mircea_popescu: devthedev in theory, a newsite's ability to earn should be a function of the content it holds.
devthedev: I'm slightly worried about the Qntra shares. If the amount of S.QNTR shares double monthly wouldn't the revenue have to double as well to keep up with the inflation?
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asciilifeform: the chumpers line up to get boxes, etc. not out of legally-enforceable promise of correct function, but - from faith.
asciilifeform: the fiat bank, as at this point even a child knows, is what we in usaschwitz call a 'faith-based institution'
bounce: and on top of that, they'll let any old law enforcement take a look-see but should you die, may or may not let your executor in
nubbins`: "actually, i guess i'll have a seat while you find the fucking sheet"
asciilifeform: and further down, a few 100 lines.
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 16:11:44; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything.
mircea_popescu: you get all the advantages of marking it as valuable with none of the downside of accessibility or deniability.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: read the treasure thread
mircea_popescu: !up devthedev
nubbins`: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: !drown the dev
nubbins`: !down devthedev
nubbins`: ;;down devthedev
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nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot devthedev
nubbins`: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only group where giving the impression is actually the substance of the profession.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: nubbins`, everyone's too busy reinventing the wheel to take the time to describe the one already in use << this guy is veering into prophetic.
mircea_popescu: jesus who;'s that vocational school reject in the pic ?
nubbins`: srsly, they call it castellano in .ar?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: they can't use satoshis
thickasthieves: they should just use satoshis
mircea_popescu: soon it'll be "users are advised to upgrade to openssl 0.9.8obamakilledthejews"
nubbins`: xinxi: the text i quoted earlier was from Robocoin
mpmcsweeney: for sure - just pointing that element out, its a sticky situation nonetheless
mircea_popescu: use another one.
mircea_popescu: OpenSSL 0.9.8 users should upgrade to 0.9.8zc. << best fucking part. what do they do when run out of minor versions ? use a letter. and when you run out of the 27 motherfucking letters ?
nubbins`: thickasthieves in the guy's defence, he waited six months before his emails even started to turn snippy
nubbins`: xinxi in here, i mostly just modify the S/N ratio. in meatspace, i print things
mpmcsweeney: the part where he pretty much implies that they cant refund the customer until they sell the unit, thats no good
mircea_popescu: "This issue was reported to OpenSSL on 26th September 2014, based on an original issue and patch developed by the LibreSSL project. Further analysis of the issue was performed by the OpenSSL team. The fix was developed by the OpenSSL team." << gotta love the seething anger.
mircea_popescu: whether SRTP is used or configured."
nubbins`: "I want to first acknowledge that as with all bitcoin companies, we are working extremely hard, drinking from a fire hose and solving problems, stabilizing the platform AND continuing to improve every day."
thickasthieves: yeha i'm not defending them so much as leaving the door open to both parties being asses
nubbins`: thickasthieves TBF the robocoin replies were brutal
thickasthieves: heh they do have hm chairs on amazone whaddaya know
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: october, the OFFICIAL breast cancer awareness month << i think in some us states it's illegal to get breast cancer out of wedlock, or on any other month.
thickasthieves: other than robocoin's shitty numbers, i dont think this while consumer ripoff report is all that convincing anyway
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: vexual using tor. imagine << it's easy, he just went over to the tor ip and proceeded to push keys until he was let in.
mircea_popescu: how about you get with the times ?
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mircea_popescu: <TomServo> "I talked with the Guardian editors about publishing the manual. In the end, we decided not to, because the information in it wasn't useful to understanding the story." << lel
BingoBoingo: I'm probably going to have to replace the fan it the laptop again. This time I'll probably buy 5 or so
nubbins`: hit up one of the local office furnishing places, fuck staples
thickasthieves: they also dont know how to use hyphens
thickasthieves: fwiw, the first words on the dealer website: "Welcome to Workscapes. Workscapes is a woman owned business."
BingoBoingo: Remember those couple years when Intel was out of the CPU speed competition http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/03/10/15/1251233/pc-world-apple-g5-gets-trounced-by-athlon-64?sbsrc=thisday
ben_vulpes: then order
thickasthieves: no herman miller on there
thickasthieves: theyre just too busy for my business today
thickasthieves: i got turned away at the herman miller place
BingoBoingo: Well find something and then make it news'd
BingoBoingo: realzies: http://qntra.net/2014/10/vietnam-prosecutors-reject-charging-bitcoin-traders/ << Interesting to see the Prosecutors recognize of tool of great use in their personal business
asciilifeform: 'tenser, said the tensor, tenser, said the tensor. tension, apprehension, and dissension have begun.'
asciilifeform: Bruce Schneier Censored by Snowden Censors << wat. backwards headline. s is one of the central snowden censors, afaik.
assbot: SO YOURE SAYING MY POODLE IS HEARTBLEEDING FROM SHELLSHOCK?WHAT THE FUCK IS EVEN GOING ON
nubbins`: background theory + nuts and bolts + examples
BingoBoingo: Fall is indeed the season for drama
Apocalyptic: danielpbarron, it's not only that, they are trying to reinvent a better wheel, because they know better
Apocalyptic: heh kako, at least move to ms-dos then
Apocalyptic: neither has debian
nubbins`: anyone able to link good articles about GPG contracts? (aside from the one on trilema)
xinxi: the session id cannot be used to login.
Apocalyptic: xinxi, did you code the page yourself ?
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
kakobrekla: xinxi in the faq, the first question is 'who are you' which is encouraging, but the answer is written for 'what is this'
Apocalyptic: I don't see the relevance regarding who do you display this to
xinxi: sorry, currently no. there are many expiry dates and a few assets. it’s going to be a lot data.
xinxi: I am very happy to see that there is some liquidity in my site now. If you need a fair market to trade bitcoin options, you can come. https://coinut.com
nubbins`: october, the OFFICIAL breast cancer awareness month
TomServo: "I talked with the Guardian editors about publishing the manual. In the end, we decided not to, because the information in it wasn't useful to understanding the story."
Vexual: vuples the mexican is good too
Vexual: k is the ninth letter bit i call him ben10
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the miracle of professional photography eh ?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ah heh, this one was his avatar on the forums for a while
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Vexual: i wouldnannah said it otherwise
mircea_popescu: lol another dude named jared ?
jurov: and the benefit isn't so big
jurov: ikr. but some setups have bigger mess potential, other ones less
ben_vulpes: "first to the gate"
mircea_popescu: so send your plaintext over https to a server, which then gives yo ua safe token for your correspondant
mircea_popescu: more power to them
mircea_popescu: "Since August 1st, 2013 iGolder is no longer accepting new accounts and balances can only be redeemed. During the past years, we have been recommending Bitcoin more than our own payment system. We believe in physical gold ownership, and developed iGolder as a mechanism for people to acquire physical gold by trading with one another."
ben_vulpes: <`jurov`> yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr" << not at all, just import all the keys and verify all the sigs at transfer.
nubbins`: last address i had for him placed him in the usa
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mircea_popescu: the recent soup of holes
punkman: mircea_popescu: my shares to be sent to jurov whenever the board pleases
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mircea_popescu: <`jurov`> yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr" <<< this may be a better idea, run your own fund i guess
`jurov`: punkman thing is, it isn't coded yet. so far we can just make a deed about the loan with above conditions (14 day redemption)
punkman: `jurov`: I had pretty much the same idea, was gonna ask
Vexual: this is like when my car bacfired out the front of the meachanics shop and they thought i had a gun
`jurov`: and then empty accounts don't pay monthly fee
mircea_popescu: i know. but i mean, issue it in his name/gpg key, and require that in order for a third party to benefit, there must be a deeds registered, signed assignation
`jurov`: i'm trying to figure out a way for poor qntra writers to have their shares, too, while avoiding freeloading
mircea_popescu: not to mention it motivates him to finish the deeds thing already :D