BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's where the replacement fans live
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mircea_popescu: it's like reading a comic book written by the author about himself.
mircea_popescu: http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/TheIndividual << ahaha check it out, libertard wet dreams.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how big is the dos that is hitting qntra?
mircea_popescu: in fact, the "falling walls" story is exactly that
mircea_popescu: they had no such certainty.
asciilifeform: because at least the cathedral folks had some certainty that there will be a cathedral.
asciilifeform: at any rate, 'ozymandias engineering' is the concept where 'the one with the rifle - shoots'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Series where they had an invisible chiral ladder
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You ever watch 'Breaking Bad' particularly the episode titled Ozymandias?
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i rejected three entirely different designs (different as in the diff b/w dataflow and von neumann) that did not even bother describing. perhaps archaeologists (or the vultures) can get something from my notes. << Now you are touching my view of qntra realized. Not as "news" but as cabinet of microfiche
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i rejected three entirely different designs (different as in the diff b/w dataflow and von neumann) that did not even bother describing. perhaps archaeologists (or the vultures) can get something from my notes.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform wonders what is his craft, that married, because it isn't programming - he actually loathes it with a passion difficult to describe << You love creating. You're an artist. Of course you despise programming. You'll prolly shit on the first loper machine you create
asciilifeform: i know the legend
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform in the mines << As far as I can tell I am not allowed near the mines anymore
asciilifeform wonders what is his craft, that married, because it isn't programming - he actually loathes it with a passion difficult to describe
asciilifeform in the mines
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not one in ten thousand can leave the mines.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> point is - even a wildly optimistic figure for yield gives you... the salary of a very skinny engineer. << these are mostly kids trying to escape from the mines and not knowing how to ask
asciilifeform: 'what those people will say once go gets a concurrent garbage collector that no longer stops the world and has real time guarantees (currently scheduled for 1.5)' << wait, srsly?
BingoBoingo: Fact of the day: The original Ford LTD in adverisements boasted of having panty cloth seats.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Koolaid point of the Google language http://npf.io/2014/10/why-everyone-hates-go/
asciilifeform: point is - even a wildly optimistic figure for yield gives you... the salary of a very skinny engineer.
kakobrekla: not the owner
kakobrekla: building the pyramids in egypt wasnt practical.
asciilifeform: at the very least, not a single one of the several dozen gpu-mining trojans i have collected from the wild actually works if installed as intended
asciilifeform: heterogeneity of gpu (plus the need to install chip-specific driver) means that gpu is not a practical target.
kakobrekla: yeah my entry is in there.
mircea_popescu: maybe if you're lucky and they're all gaming stations or something.
mircea_popescu: same thing as if you're a "senior counsel" for the sec, or anything else.
asciilifeform: and monetizing for any other currency - risk yer arse.
asciilifeform: because actually monetizing all but the most astonishingly large chumpnet for btc has become virtually impossible.
BingoBoingo: Will do replying to them next.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably. This is probably going to turn into a lulzy kako screencap convo. I mean seriously though. Targeting the personal blog and not the mega news outlet for sponsored whatevers.
BingoBoingo: If this gambling site operator continues to court thedrinkingrecord for a sponsored post... At what point is accepting money for a labeled sponsored post worth it? 20 BTC?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fella with 100 names
mircea_popescu: and i honestly read the logs ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wait you know the guy ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the answer to "why would one bother to rewrite the much better flame warriors guide in shitty prose" suddenly comes into view.
mircea_popescu: "The number one problem with paranoid world views is the lack of proof on either side. Nobody can disprove once and for all any of these rumors. If you believe but one of them, step by step you will have to distrust your politicians, your government, the press."
asciilifeform: in ru world, a small-arms-themed derp is often told, 'file off yer sights'
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> given the fate of usd, the small coins continue to circulate largely through inertia of neglect. << prices in my area recently went to integer dollars for things sold by the unit
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BingoBoingo: Amazonfirehd: Neither.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i'm going to write an amazing article and pad the fuck out of it <<< /me settles down for this
asciilifeform: and other people do, presumably
mircea_popescu: well, cazalla is the editor in charge, BingoBoingo is his lieutenant and im here to fuck things up.
asciilifeform: thing is, the chinese in this respect do not suck. american turdmeisters supply the spec.
mircea_popescu: back when the chinese still sucked, 90s,
mircea_popescu: the dioxin infested field... not so much
asciilifeform: the zamac is very pure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: degradation of metal goods proceeded by a similar, if not entirely identical way as organics - not impurities as such (modern alloys are chemically superior to those of the past) but through using tech that ought not be used
BingoBoingo: Qntra shares really aren't a problem so long as they remain countably infinite
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: infinite shares with no plausible picture of how they are to be worth something <<< this is similar to the problem of marriage neh ? "woman can bring infinite children with no idea how they;d amount to anything"
asciilifeform: (the first person who told me that there are now small arms with zamac parts, i did not believe him!)
asciilifeform: incidentally, the mosins (and other items of the period) prove that, if one really wishes it, it is possible to mass-produce 'non-synthetic tomato' to some extent.
BingoBoingo: Olin brass has to butter their bezzel bread
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the non-soviet ones are ~$1/round
asciilifeform: probably mythical, but there it is.
asciilifeform: legend has it that stalin had the fuhrer's skull (what remained of it) as ashtray.
asciilifeform: 'That same year, columnist Drew Pearson reported that Representative Francis E. Walter (D-Penn.) had presented President Franklin D. Roosevelt with a letter opener made from the forearm of a Japanese soldier. This is the sort of gift I like to get, Pearson quotes FDR saying. '
asciilifeform: there will be folks firing mosins at one another long after we're forgotten, i suspect.
asciilifeform: we call them endearingly, мосинка.
mircea_popescu: the crown of teeth!
ben_vulpes: make a synthetic diamond crown of carbonized benjamins
mircea_popescu: cannons are indeed out of fashion, but for whoever ends up crowned : consider making your crown out of the extracted teeth of us congressmen, imf directors and so on and so forth.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Winchester makes them nao http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=607
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'the man with the rifle - shoots. the one without - follows him. when the man with the rifle is killed, the one who is following him picks up the rifle and shoots.' -- american film about stalingrad
mircea_popescu: but speaking of crowns : romanian king (prince karl of hohenzollern-sigmaringen) had the interesting idea of making his crown out of iron
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plus, afaik no one in usa makes the shells.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the paperwork will run you more.
BingoBoingo: Oh Mosins are still under $150 per in the US.
mike_c: read the next line :)
mircea_popescu: and like wsj, nyt etc, it's worth whatever the crown says it's worth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mike_c: wsj, like nyt et al is an organ of the crown. << so is qntra.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, you know how they announce job vacancies here ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: employees hadn't machines so armed << employees owned the shirts on their backs
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> yeah, but also like slaves they're worth w/e they bring in. << also this one
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> but idea is, if you own them, better keep them busy. like slaves. << oh god i know this one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform besides the point tho. negotiable instruments, like anything else.
asciilifeform: as i understand, their market values vary wildly based on geography
mircea_popescu: how much are ~5k zombie ips worth ? what's the current market value of a wordpress list like whatever, 100k or i didn't bother counting the new one yet ?
asciilifeform: i.e., the chumpers need to be busied somehow
asciilifeform: worth his time << chumpnet is like a truck - most of the cost of ownership, assuming you own it, is a fixed cost
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> over a ludicrously expensive plasma tv, the owner of the firm gravely proclaimed that the robot (nominally a sapperbot) shall be fitted with a rifle. << Wait employees hadn't machines so armed already?
mircea_popescu: there, that's a value of qntra approach.
asciilifeform: and that anyone who takes issue with this, should resign then.
asciilifeform: over a ludicrously expensive plasma tv, the owner of the firm gravely proclaimed that the robot (nominally a sapperbot) shall be fitted with a rifle.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: your reply to 'instazap' - as a young man, i had the 'fortune' to work in one of those small scamatronics firms scattered around wash.dc. they made (well, collected money from usg to make, supposedly) small robots.
ben_vulpes is now gagging for time to read the logs
mircea_popescu: and now i got you in the corner. either you argue with the libtards that c. maxwell is not a novel result, tho his work is
mircea_popescu: im talking of the guy's dad, see.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> kick everyone's ass on quality without worrying about making money << gawker was never great, but this is how they killed huffpo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i wasn't intending to (with what, ha.) just ringing the bell to possibly wake up folks who think they can achieve a new result by doing the same thing as was done for 100 years. <<< you know, the clerk maxwell guy, arguably a novel result, WAS in fact achieved by doing the exact same thing men have been doing to women for a hundred years.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ATM this inspires me to wonder about... the classic railgun. If the projectile is already a strong magnet...
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> yeah, but then i noticed there's actually two, and they're pretty close. /// of course, second bidder has something to work with
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: once q transforms into the kind of thing which is presently lucrative, it will cease to be distinguishable from the despised competition. << the idea is to transform things around it.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: ethics schmethics. newspapers have been funded by ads from forever <<< yeah but i find the entire goldline glenn beck thing pretty objectionable.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i think it can be nothing more <<< yeah, but then i noticed there's actually two, and they're pretty close.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The last one, new rifles are sold in us on essentially the same principle. "Inline" muzzle loaders that use shotgun primers.
mircea_popescu: devthedev: Bitcointalk: "Due to a recently-discovered flaw in the TLS and SSL protocols, you may want to change your password, especially if you accessed the forum using Tor." <<< what, tor isn't safe ? incredibru.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far the rennovated mosin is my favorite
mircea_popescu: incidentally : if any reader feels like building a botnet / expanding his botnet, you can probably hit the earlier linked list of ips. if you're carefgul going in you can probably blame whatever mischief on the original derp, too.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By this time next month Amtrack business will be booming. US air travel is on its way out. <<< can only go where there's track.
mircea_popescu: Freen0deAdmin: why do some names have a color next to them? ThickAsThieves: because racism << ok i lolled. because colonialism.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: you'll need woodchippers for the beggars though.
mircea_popescu: then beggar can talk to king dracula any time he wants.
asciilifeform: because the alchemists have learned to manufacture armies of beggars which carry on mischief as programmed.
mircea_popescu: sure, and at a bunch of unintentional other mishaps at that.
asciilifeform: it does succeed at preventing drunken beggars from ddosing the king, if nothing else
mircea_popescu: this is exactly how the us legal system works
asciilifeform: hence not the same animal
mircea_popescu: this is fine, but if you actually calculate the computational load you'll get more than the current star model
asciilifeform: and if no one there knows, n-1st
asciilifeform: he has to ask the nth circle
jurov: for documents you can use CDN and whatnot. problem is if they want to call your code
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller myeah
asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.
mircea_popescu: you're never going to escape the fact that a 3 person sitcom crew can fuck three different ways whereas a 4 person crew can fuck in 6 ways
mircea_popescu: what you described is hoiw to keep the network small
asciilifeform: i described earlier a hypothetical network that silently refuses to rout ddos.
mircea_popescu: ddos is an intrinsic property of the world, like bitcoin, like falling to your death, like the nuclear bomb
mircea_popescu: same thing here : the more people you add, the exponentially more potential connections in the graph.
mircea_popescu: nah, consider gravity. your potential energy increases with your height, but your speed of ultimate impact with the square of the height.
asciilifeform: ddos is a basic attribute of any system where strangers can impose a cost on you at little to no cost to themselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but the fact of ddos still being a thing at all, reveals catastrophically broken design at large. << not really, it just reflects a major problem of the world at large (the quare-linear problem, specifically)
mircea_popescu: (this, of course, excludes the wordpress stuff, which is about 90% or so of the entire thing, but also easy to filter)
ThickAsThieves: thus the bash wars of 2014 began
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ThickAsThieves: if i were on lsd all the time, how would i know i was on lsd?
nubbins`: the no revenue stream paradigm
nubbins`: will the articles be edited, or posted as submitted?
jurov: soon it will be the ultimate turing test
mike_c: just drink the fucking kool-aid already
ThickAsThieves: i want all the good words i can get tho
ThickAsThieves: the mp rule
nubbins`: like, quadruple the word count
asciilifeform: is the whole thing an elaborate joke that i'm not in on?
nubbins`: i'm going to write an amazing article and pad the fuck out of it
asciilifeform: which they will proceed to write in 'intercal' ?
nubbins`: and their delectable wares!
nubbins` prepares an article about the grocers
mike_c: geezus. There are no infinite shares.
asciilifeform: even if i'm not the target-anything
asciilifeform: infinite shares with no plausible picture of how they are to be worth something
asciilifeform: not certain how an amoebic pseudopod wins by emulating the organs of, e.g, mouse.
asciilifeform: mike_c: wsj, like nyt et al is an organ of the crown.
mike_c: yes. there are stages. stage 1: provide better news than others. stage 2: build enough audience and capital to send people to ukraine. stage 3: profit.
ThickAsThieves: there's a btc conference in Miami soon
asciilifeform was under the impression that some of the people here intended to make this item happen
asciilifeform: wasn't meant to be a specific hypothesis
ThickAsThieves: i dont think they know exactly what it is
asciilifeform: or will the 'news' be cut&paste just like everybody else's.
ThickAsThieves: and yes advertisers who exposure to the kind of person interested in that spectrum would advertise
asciilifeform: which one of you is planning to fly to, e.g., donbass (ukraine) and ask the soldiers if they're using btc?
ThickAsThieves: qntra provides content of a certain portion of the spectrum
asciilifeform: but imho those are the only kind of actual news (when genuine!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu objected to the examples i gave as 'scientific journal'
mike_c: yes, they will expect diminishing returns. i don't understand why this is a problem.
asciilifeform: no, the whole concept of a 'news' that is of interest to a gigantic mass of people without being pablum.
asciilifeform: i wasn't intending to (with what, ha.) just ringing the bell to possibly wake up folks who think they can achieve a new result by doing the same thing as was done for 100 years.
mike_c: um, then investing in qntra is not a good fit for you anyway
asciilifeform: the whole thing is an ad.
asciilifeform: once q transforms into the kind of thing which is presently lucrative, it will cease to be distinguishable from the despised competition.
asciilifeform: the only thing lacking, unless i'm mistaken, is people who actually want to pay for any of this.
asciilifeform: but qntra is meant to be a chopping block for them, not a cafe
asciilifeform: because they push scamz.
asciilifeform: who is to buy the ads?
ThickAsThieves: maaaybe you could estimate a value based on other mpex offerings
BingoBoingo: Well, the way I see it people bidding for s.qntra shares are going to be bidding for a percent of future revenue
mike_c: hehe. you think the bid was random?
mike_c: like all of my articles, they are mostly for me anyway. but i think that one stands up. i didn't cheat either, i was surprised how close my guesstimate came to that bid on mpex.
ThickAsThieves: i do appreciate the effort, but i'ma just watch and see
mike_c: well it does show you a methodology. if you don't like the assumptions, change 'em.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You know tat always consults the tes leaves
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe printed, I'm thinking where the noise is though
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or pedal? << Pedal, as in the pedal tones on a brass instrument
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mpmcsweeney: wait til the sick season hits public schools
mpmcsweeney: theyve already begun panic-removing people from planes
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: as if trains will not fall under same bureaucracy if the fuhrer wishes it. << No, being under the same bureaucracy is why the trains will run.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as if trains will not fall under same bureaucracy if the fuhrer wishes it.
BingoBoingo: I hope for another I-70 series
Kansascity: KC is just the cinderella team though
asciilifeform: (the former, a very special trololol)
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asciilifeform: ;;google the cause and cure of earthquakes
BingoBoingo: !up TheClitCommander
Freen0deAdmin: why do some names have a color next to them?
Freen0deAdmin: whats the purpose of this bitcoin room?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the point of a gambit such as drilled coin is to avoid being noticed. << Nah, you drill some coins to force a search for more of the same
asciilifeform: the point of a gambit such as drilled coin is to avoid being noticed.
asciilifeform: see also the tungsten-cored gold bars thread
asciilifeform: (these days)
asciilifeform: these things probably do electrical impedance / and/or acoustic profile.
BingoBoingo: Maybe there's 8 hollow nickles. 5 have just grease, 3 have porn
BingoBoingo: Maybe have a few "hollow" nickles, pack with proper density grease, soon you demand hours of inspector's time as they pour over pounds of nickles looking for an interestign one.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: hollow coins in real life fool no one if examined individually - given the way they are made, the ruse is quite obvious when seen from the edge. << Takes visual inspection though.
mircea_popescu: roughtly reads to me like a disertation on surgery written by waiters next to the hospital on the basis of what they overheard during their jobs would read if i were a surgeon
asciilifeform: it isn't a wiki in the usual sense
asciilifeform: the drilled coins?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it hits the uncanny valley for me
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mircea_popescu: !up TheBroker
asciilifeform: if someone suspects a diddled coin, and one is there, it will be found.
asciilifeform: at any rate, there isn't room for any locking mechanism, really