bounce: well, sure. but you'd first need a jurisdiction that does away with the AML/KYC CYA BS and then you need a bunch with clue running the exchange
BigBitz: It's not an Exchange then.
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> there is no place for an honest exchange // i'm beginning to think that way as well
BigBitz: There is plently of room/place for an honest Exchange.
kakobrekla: there is no place for an honest exchange
mircea_popescu: nanotube well the recent "We will steal user's btc and deliver it to the usss" stuff is pretty much fucking the goat.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: why is bitstamp scammy? also, is there anything out there less scammy with non-piddling volume?
ThickAsThieves: i wont leave coin there if i'm not playing tho
Adlai: mircea_popescu: context. BigBitz seems to have a different definition of "scammer" than the rest of the channel
mircea_popescu: so you know, just because they're not quite as feckless as bitstamp, what's that do for anyone.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this "republicans are better than democrats" bs is neither rational nor something to ever consider.
BigBitz: but it's better than the clusterfuck that is Bitstamp.
BigBitz: I know they could be stupid by association.
mircea_popescu: the translation i mean.
bounce: well, fly after that "Ark A" that's leading the way
bounce: I hear there's an "Ark B" scheduled for launch in a bit. might wanna get on, eh?
kakobrekla: such variety. i want to get off this planet away from stupid people. BigBitz wants to give them money.
Adlai: BigBitz: i volunteer to translate. "don't trust bitfinex with your money, because they're potentially unwitting scammers through a combination of fecklessness and incompetence"
BigBitz: anyways... clearly there is no sane argument in reference to that, so, what's todays hot topic, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: "don't worry about fucking me, it's true i raped a girl last week but i washed all the blood off my cock so should be ok"
mircea_popescu: Adlai the thing is, the way the search is organised now, you click on the finds and it gives you the day's context
BigBitz: yeah mircea_popescu, I know that, but they claim (liars, potentially) that code is non-existant on their platform now.
mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in public)"
Adlai thinks improved history searching tools are better than requiring newbs to read up, since they can also serve forgetful veterans
kakobrekla: follow bfx users why not them
mircea_popescu: there's no middle road.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz looky, either you do your own research or you follow someone
BigBitz: I'm happy to move them - I just like to knoe some information/detail.
bounce: probably need to compile a couple dossiers. where's the intern?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves or maybe the same six months or who knows.
ThickAsThieves: i'd say that 12-18mos of logs is probly the requirment now, the discourse hasnt been as dense this year
BigBitz: I did say "I have some coins there"
BigBitz: kakobrekla well that's why I was asking. Feel free to educate me as to how they're inclined to scam.
mircea_popescu: but that does nothing for your derpy "arguings" or w/e you think they are.
mircea_popescu: you're jsut some derpy dude with nary a clue left around since the early days
BigBitz: Let's move on then. Since you can't articulate.
mircea_popescu: best way to learn is through reading the log.
BigBitz: ALL OF THE DETAIL.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu if that's your rationale then how can I argue...
ThickAsThieves: they claim bitcoinica code was replaced long ago
BigBitz: I admit their use of Bitconica code is that of retards.
mircea_popescu: some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in puiblic)
Adlai: for one thing, they're offering this fishy mining contract as a "beta" but taking real money for it
BigBitz: ( I have some coins there, I'm intrigued ;) )
BigBitz: OK so how do they steal / lie ?
BigBitz: is it because they use Bitconica code? :)
mircea_popescu: how do you know it even exists then.
mircea_popescu: yeah, "the one which was a usg front openly and from day one, totally legit"
mircea_popescu: BigBitz just because you don't bother to keep up ? https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=140484.0
ThickAsThieves: i partly suggest them because of my observation of price and which exchanges veer off the most
mircea_popescu: i guess yeah, there's just no way huh.
mircea_popescu: and if the price runs up, someone will have a lot of splaining to do, as ot where all the millions went.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes. they're out, and have a lot to repay now, our good friends in washington.
mircea_popescu: it is after all a real state they got over there, not some sort of fourth reich or anything.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> idk and i suspekt it wont be public << course it will be. they'll respond to the foia requests a month after the one month legal term. seriously. promise.
mircea_popescu: ascii_on_tour> and the tor gizmo scam being exposed, will 'wired' et al. make the sc4mz0r give the free publicity back? << "free publicity" only worth something on soem chains
jurov: so at least decrease the ttl pls if you expect such shenanigans in future
bounce: did you force dns over tor too then?
bounce: drop the cache?
bounce: or used a computer network with connections to usg at some point in their lives
BingoBoingo: Regulatory agency that gets coins is probably the one that complains loudest
Adlai: right, but the regulatory agency which gets the confiscated funds is probably the one in the jurisdiction where the corp is registered
kakobrekla: let them stupid videos of how usg has no fucking clue be public and be broadcasted even live
Apocalyptic: but afaik Nejc & co are still in Slovenia, as is the bank
Apocalyptic: <Adlai> aren't bitstamp registered in UK now? // they are for some time now
mike_c: any word on who the "regulators" are that will get those coins?
bounce: they're wording it like they like it ("our policies") and reportedly they're starting with the thef^Wconfiscating a month early
kakobrekla: probably to no-ones surprise at this point, the pressure on bistamp is coming from usss this time.
ThickAsThieves: he abandoned the blogfeed and such, said do it urself
ThickAsThieves: but i'm sure i'm not the only one wondering whats up
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, typo "and inists they"
thestringpuller: mats_cd03: kindle doesn't hurt your eyes with the e-paper
mats_cd03: there r too many options. kobo, kindle, kindle voyage, windows and android assorted tablets...
thestringpuller: "Google Chrome's connection attempt to qntra.net was rejected. The website may be down, or your network may not be properly configured."
mats_cd03: i'm in the market for something to read technical ebooks. sometimes with color. recommendations?
bounce: guess we'll have to learn to like mosquito soup then
thestringpuller: they are your new overlords
thestringpuller: ascii_on_tour: what would he have said if you said 'surrendered to the car'
ascii_on_tour: gave up << reminds me of a convo i once had with brother. me: 'worked all day trying to fix [car], and so bitten by mosquitoes that eventually surrendered.' — he: 'surrendered to mosquitoes?'
bounce: they've started closing accounts? their "final notice" promises 28 days, presumably from the 16th onward
ascii_on_tour: what's the deal with pankkake ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_on_tour: How goes the tour?
ascii_on_tour: no more penguirker either << wait what ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: https://8chan.co/player.php?v=/loli/src/1413326714301-1.webm&t=animated.webm&loop=1 << this is probably the most nsfa thing i've seen this month. <<< time to zero hdd
ben_vulpes: no more penguirker either, eh
BingoBoingo: SHould be able to self !up then
r3wt: Bingo Boingo: still authenticating
cazalla: or maybe that is the 7chan guy
kakobrekla: kickstart the above ^^
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2014 19:49:38; asciilifeform: the people who did that kickstart, for instance, are separated from their true motherland - the uranium mines - for so long as the money lasts them.
ascii_on_tour: ^ there.
mats_cd03: i cackled when i saw the 600k figure
ascii_on_tour: and the tor gizmo scam being exposed, will 'wired' et al. make the sc4mz0r give the free publicity back?
ascii_on_tour: 5210 x 2880 << that's one of the mac-with-lcd combo boxes, so extra $1k for comp that i haven't any use for. but i'm told that one can plug in an external cable.
bounce: why do I get the feeling that gaming kickstarter is its own business model?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: fuck them ?
jurov: and then matters one should not concern with at all.. you know
Adlai: Among the maxims on Lord Naoshige's wall, there was this one: "Matters of great concern should be treated lightly." Master Ittei commented, "Matters of small concern should be treated seriously."
mats_cd03: people in here take themselves too seriously
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=wangxinxi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wangxinxi | Rated since: Mon Oct 13 16:19:46 2014
mats_cd03: the touchpad regularly dies, so i have to run a script with the sleep daemon to wake it up whenever
ben_vulpes: p. sure everyone in here does that pretty regularly for their own projects.
xinxi: we just tried to understand each other.
ben_vulpes: lol what was going on there?
thickasthieves: xinxi, wouldnt ragnar be the one to exclaim so?
mircea_popescu: but i don't care about the warts.
xinxi: OK, the issue between RagnarDanneskjol and me was just resolved.
mircea_popescu: i suppose that goes a long way to explain it huh, as long as your fonts are a cm tall 1k or 5k px are all about the same
jurov: obv there are color rendition problems (esp. saturated yellow) but text is crisp, i'm satisfied
mircea_popescu: also 2880x5210 rather than as is
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: bounce: it's better than to not use it, <<< this is perhaps the longest endless discussion i don't feel like having. is it better to have loved a whore or to not have gotten the pox at all ?! etc.
kakobrekla: for the purpose of keeping chumps happy.
thickasthieves: would be nice to get a nugget of proof here and there
thickasthieves: its also why i pressed you about the article you wrote
thickasthieves: if you move they do too
thickasthieves: in practice, i agree, there arent
mircea_popescu: which is what the entire cause vs purpose discussion is all about.
mircea_popescu: except there are no ideals
thickasthieves: and hard to ever achieve them
mircea_popescu: but as far as any sane measure can be had, this is the only open bitcoin space
mircea_popescu: this has resulted in some bruised wot accounts, danielpbarron being perhaps the best example
mircea_popescu: anyway, re cultishness thickasthieves : the one datapoint i have so far is that b-a broke the cultish misinterpretation of how to use wot/ratings prevalent prior to its existence.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall the last time someone was required to believe something they didn't lol.
mircea_popescu: so a guy agrees, a guy doesn't agree, big deal either way.
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/16/the-difference-between-weak-hands-and-strong-hands/#comment-3386
thickasthieves: so that;s my theory for his leaving!
thickasthieves: particularly the post pankkake commented on
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: then bloggers could earn shares!
thickasthieves: i'm speaking for him, with no good reason, but my guess is he sees the extremism turning to cultism, turning to delusion
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: that's what the site says
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller on ?
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2014 12:13:49; ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell TheNewDeal <TheNewDeal> any response on that foia yet? /// since youve been singling me out, I wanna clear up that, while I did email them an inquiry long ago, I did not personally submit a FOIA request. I simply know of a couple netizens that did. You can expect news to spread fast once(if) it happens.
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2014 15:58:12; ThickAsThieves: "Just a USMS auction price discovery update: I contacted the USDOJ Office of General Counsel regarding my FOIA request submitted back on the 6th of July... and they stated I should see information in early August. They also stated they had a flood of requests for information on that auction."
mircea_popescu: (the wp-comment lines are in there legitimately, btw. the way trilema works is that if an ip has a previous comment spamlisted, further connections are rejected outright. so these are all spammers, and can be used as such)
kakobrekla: curious if they match up with mine.
mircea_popescu: there may still be some straggler legitimate users caught in a 404 through no fault of their own, but mostly it's bots trying to be all haxxor
thickasthieves: rithm www.therealaltcoin.org
rithm: make them die a horrible death and go away
Adlai: rithm: they're Altcoin prices, in whole numbers of satoshi
nubbins`: <+Adlai> right, but we're still trusting an IRC bot. what if somebody derps freenode after you've authenticated with gribble? << then you're fucked
rithm: what the fuck is ATC
nubbins`: then you're fucked
rithm: i usually do -N to get the lines around it myself
RagnarDanneskjol: xinxi - no offense taken - but NICE JOB workin in one more plug for the site.. you''re a pro
mircea_popescu: Adlai this is in the logs. search!
Adlai: right, but we're still trusting an IRC bot. what if somebody derps freenode after you've authenticated with gribble?
thestringpuller: in theory there could be another point of entry without sacrificing security because gribble auths via gpg
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no.
bounce: yes, and its operator, but it's a lot more convenient than gepoking the keyservers every time
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller certainlky.
Adlai: possibly stupid question about WoT... doesn't it rely on everybody trusting gribble? what does it offer over the regular PGP trust model?
thestringpuller: or just negrate SEC -10 "this isn't their world go home"
xinxi: i read the log
mircea_popescu: sorta like i'm going "oh, you're just the sec lawyer ? get a gpg we'll talk"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it means the idiocy derps who refuse to submit but like to pretend they're part of bitcoin hide behind.
assbot: Apple's new "chief of secrecy" is Stephen Colbert, who Federighi is calling on the phone right now... http://t.co/frFPi496fj
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/wjrothman/status/522801788685008896 << apple descends further into parody
thestringpuller: can we proxy the problem away like with mpex?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Appears so
nubbins`: guy in the middle has best hat
nubbins`: what the fuck does that mean?
thickasthieves: from the presentation apple is giving now http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/18244/DSC_0262.jpg
mircea_popescu: somebody send him the gpg contracts article, and perhaps read it to him too.
Adlai: "very large value transactions are typically secured by real-world contracts, long-established trust relationships, lawyers, and court systems." - chief scientist of the trustless money foundation
nubbins`: more than once, he allowed men to bring their wives into the exam room so they could read out the questions
Adlai had to help a shopper in the supermarket find the right kind of rice a few weeks ago, realized it was the first time in his life he'd met a truly illiterate person
Adlai: coding is the new literacy
bounce: you'd be that even if you could code, for larger projects. it's just easier to see when you're being led down the garden path.
nubbins`: you're utterly dependent on others
nubbins`: mircea_popescu this is the true detriment of not being able to code
TomServo: heh - I wonder what kind of numbers they're talking about in those accounts.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` problem is they couldn't trust an outsider.
nubbins`: anyway, i'm sure all these people running patched 0.5-0.6 would love a package maintainer
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nobody, but then again eulora doesn't claim to be "decentralised yo"
mircea_popescu: https://8chan.co/player.php?v=/loli/src/1413326714301-1.webm&t=animated.webm&loop=1 << this is probably the most nsfa thing i've seen this month.
bounce hasn't paid attention there
bounce: backdoors by democratic vote? there's an idea.
nubbins`: thickasthieves: at leas then you get to choose which backdoors you adopt 8)
mircea_popescu: gotta expose people to things they wouldn't seek on their own. it's the very point of rape in the first place.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, the problem being that the "more of the same" filter google uses is actually conterproductive to intelligence
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so then what exactly sucked ?
nubbins`: hire someone to sit down with 0.5/0.6, merge sensible changes from newer revisions, toss the cruft and backdoors
nubbins`: seems the simplest solution to suspicions of codebase being diddled, no?
nubbins`: regarding forks, why not just make S.BTCD and hire someone who's not a puppet to maintain the codebase?
nubbins`: put it in another chan if you want it
thickasthieves: cuz if they can, i just dont get why to change
thickasthieves: whether miners and nodes could do such things
thickasthieves: but i was more asking whether my specific examples work
mircea_popescu: they could just as well retire, because they can no longer actually contribute. but if they don't want to retire they can hang around as lolcow fodder.
mircea_popescu: to make it perfectly clear : no team that in any way includes any of the currently proscribed usg agents (gavin, maxwell, hearn etc) can ever make a fork. never.
thickasthieves: i'm not even talking about the fork aspect
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves the hard fork is a problem, mostly because they're trying to introduce a whole slew of 0days into the protocol itself.
thickasthieves: ok i have a question about this block size thing, supposing it stays is, couldnt miners just specialize if size became an issue? As in, big mining ops would filter big fees, small mining ops small fees. Then further extend this to nodes, where a node provider could make a custom wallet that automatically broadcasted the tx to itseld and the blockchain at large, and you pay a fee to them
mircea_popescu: you hated the old .bait ?
kakobrekla: posting a pic here and there is not same as dedi bot for vex and tsp fap to
nubbins`: webm is the new gif
mircea_popescu: that was a discussion about the discussion.
kakobrekla: as far as i understood .jpg will keep you as wide as the real thing. well maybe not .jpg, but a .gif.
nubbins`: i hope they find him and cut his dick off with a cheese grater
nubbins`: bomb threat asshole says he's going to recreate the montreal massacre
nubbins`: <+thickasthieves> this whole gamergate thing has been so disinteresting i have yet to read anything about whatever the hell is going on << i've avoided the whole thing until i stumbled across an article the other day about that sarkeesian woman
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> kakobrekla yes. which is why men are more pleasant company than boys. < next time you wannat a real fuck, flit through 3 .baits. its all the same, isnt it?
mircea_popescu: "Hi guys Decided to post this here to see if I could find more people interested in this project. I am Cruel-Cherry one of the guys making the game named "Project Cherry" (working title) A game thats about raping little lolis in cruel ways."
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kakobrekla: so only pussy makes one broader, not the dick?
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu what about them gays?
mircea_popescu: !up devthedev
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mircea_popescu: otherwise people get narrow.
mircea_popescu: i see it as an invaluable tool to keep the overton window wide enough so actual stuff of value can occur.
kakobrekla wonders if he is the only one to see that as noise
mircea_popescu: then you can self-voice.