mircea_popescu: it's not an idle question on my part. there's actually reflected in the very history of the republic as logged, the case of some dude showing up years later to push ridoinculous claims. look for grubbles sometime.
mircea_popescu: so then what's v to do with anything
jfw: source tarballs, though there's a TRB too.
mircea_popescu: and so the customers who've paid and you've delivered code to, were they basically doing what's caled it consulting in the us, ie, outsourced desk jockey to skimp on the pension & benefits plan ? do they think they own the code you've delivered, for instance ?
jfw: Not as yet; first priority was to make it public, see if there was any interest
jfw: Yes, well server or other text-only usage. It is awkward.
mircea_popescu: so this'd basically be a server thing, by its nature, rather than a general purpose os
jfw: I would think it's 1, as perhaps the driver could be made to work with massive compatibility layers but then the distro wouldn't look much like it does now.
mircea_popescu: in case 1, you know for a fact it won't be possible to have gfx with your thing, it has to be thrown out / redone / the thing that can do gfx can't carry the same name as your thing meaningfully.
mircea_popescu: man 2 comes and says "hullo... i have anothe rsolution. i call it 'a virgin'. she's a bitch to get along with, but..."
mircea_popescu: you can't have children with a dog, it is necessarily out of the question.
mircea_popescu: so, someone says, "i want companionship in my life". this is the general problem.
mircea_popescu: but the q is, how would it go
mircea_popescu: dorion, interesting how these coincidences work out!
jfw: I've built a basic X stack (no 3d accel) on dynamic-linked musl, the biggest uncertainty to me there is whether it'll work static since it's module-oriented
mircea_popescu: so as a purely theoretical exericse, what'd gaining x support entail iyo ?
jfw: tweaking the 'menuconfig' is what that would look like as far as kernel components
mircea_popescu: this is what i'm asking, what's the extension process like
mircea_popescu: traditionally the problem with private distros is that one day someone tries to install int on some new hardware mix-and-match and it dun go
mircea_popescu: hey there.
jfw: dorion and I have a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
jfw: It's a Linux distro I put together, in a couple stages, based on gcc 4.7, musl, busybox userland, exclusively static linking
diana_coman: in other lolz, I contacted yet another local dc and the guy went to read my blog so I pointed him to the rundown on it; rather curious now what'll he do, lolz.
mircea_popescu: the republic can't be used in ANY OTHER WAY. eminently, it CAN NOT be used as ANY KIND of "how to stay stupid" guide. nor will this fundamental inadherence ever be capable of being turned around, "oh, mp is a meaniehead, stupidity is where it's at". nor ANYTHING other than the intended fucking purpose.
mircea_popescu: the point of the republic is for you to look at how stupid you are AND STOP BEING IT.
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, you agreed with then --
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:47:13 mircea_popescu: suppose you talk to both fellas here about the thing, i wanna follow along
mircea_popescu: so no, i won't sign off on these (or any other) guys' waste of time over random nonsense. because the thing that comes immediately after a putative "yes mp, ima do that then" is "make a plan, i want to read this thing", not "you lot, go do what he says". hence http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950068
mircea_popescu: so try and get off your nonsense horse for the like third time this year, learn how to meaningfully communicate AND DO IT, we might have something here. but in any case the something we will have will NOT be linear extension of the alf shit. i ain't ever again doing anything like that.
mircea_popescu: half-ass commitments, plausibly-deniable commitments & the whole charade of alfisms are no longer something i will accept -- for the sore experience of how poorly it works when i do accept them.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
mircea_popescu: and as to the "bois etc" -- is very well fucking earned. the logs since http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 ie a week ago are sorely missing a "trinque: yeah, I WILL DO THAT". or an equally clear, "no, i won't do that". this is what separates the bois from the men : FIRM committments.
mircea_popescu: what, it's only the republic when it pays, otherwise it's "mp's folly" or somesuch ? a lot less of this in the
mircea_popescu: as an aside, i very much dislike the ambiguous relationship to the republic, along the lines of "check out my son, he got 1st prize in drag racing" / "have you heard what your son's done, he got himself expelled!!!" traditional intramarital passive-agressive idiocy.
mircea_popescu: where's the "don't do all that" ?
mp_en_viaje: i really don't currently see the payoff for putting work into making it static
diana_coman: the additional thing there being also that some of the deps are really system dependent at least so far so they'd need to be extracted (if possible!) as static libs themselves and bundled up and by the end of it I'll probably end up with tmsr-os I suppose.
diana_coman: yes but where the fuck does one start from to figure out which parts are actually needed and how they interact?
diana_coman: and moreover, it checks to see which cs deps are available because part of issue with cs is that it doesn't even have a clear list of deps: it depends what plugins and what they want
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:47:54 mircea_popescu: so i suppose this is the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on a) how long to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long to move client cs on cuntoo.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: re moving cs I had a look in more detail at the situation there: there are 3k lines of autoconf script to start with; this looks for all sorts and takes care of various cases including differences (re where is what) between linux distros
diana_coman: this is why I didn't mention it earlier really; because there are still some things to sort out first.
diana_coman: basically they still need some time to publish now what they didn't all this time and only then we can discuss in more detail really
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: re "his clients", they are meant to write up and publish by this Sunday their existing business plan and whatever other related documents they have.
mp_en_viaje: crystal space was made in this manner. internet explorer (all versions) was made in this manner. the original firefox was made in this manner, and then retired in this manner. and everything .
mp_en_viaje: because for their sins computers were born after the capacity for serious activity died in the esltard. so it's all comicon all over, "this is some doodle i made please don't hate me" psychoweird.
mp_en_viaje: the problem here is that EVERYTHING -- meaning, ~~~EEEEEEVERYTHING~~~ is rather a "homework" exercise than any kinda serious effort.
diana_coman: heh, I doubt it's *that little*; anyways, I'd certainly rather see it in detail by now, yes.
diana_coman: having to write a full script is another
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-05 diana_coman: but at any rate, what's that Gales Linux exactly and how/in what way different from Cuntoo? where/what are your problems there?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: that's the thing, as I told him after my initial talk on this, the trouble is that it seems to be more of a homework exercise than a system to have.
diana_coman: because any new package one wants would require someone to write the script for it
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: from what I talked to jfw so far (he still has to write it up but there's a long list there of write-ups for him to do!), he made his own distribution with his own scripts for package building; he has it in production in that he uses it for his clients afaik but it doesn't seem to scale well the way it is currently
mp_en_viaje: in any case, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950560 << no, nothing could be further from good. you can't go about "doing the best you can" "by yourself" on a nonsense ill defined task like that. what are you trying to turn into, THEM ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950564 << my only take-away is that trinque does not want to own the tmsr os. whether this is because ye olde manaloning & etc silly habits of boihood are just that hard to break, or for whatever reason. i can't quite discern, seeing how he talks little and mostly besides the point.
ossabot: (trinque) 2019-11-03 trinque: need to do a bit of decrufting before I post these, going to wrap it up tomorrow.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-05 jfw: Gales Linux is a new distribution, not using Portage or other sort of auto-download and dependency resolution; it's got a set of package build scripts I've developed over time based on my own needs
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordinated by a single ...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-11 20:22:50 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950231 << since I've got the botwork already in flight on my end, what do you say you and lobbes tackle making cuntoo into a usable item for mp_en_viaje and diana_coman ?
auctionbot: Sell order # 1069: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. Heard: 1mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 UTC (83 hours 53 mins)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1068: Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 100 from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 UTC (84 hours 0 mins)
trinque: I am failing to find the appropriate links as yet.
trinque: the idea actually comes from earlier threads on infectious linux, and also on what a sane world would have instead of a web browser
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-11 05:55:28 spyked: hey trinque. reading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950058 followed by http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-10#1000026 leaves me a tad confused. is it that you want to pull out portage out of the existing bootstrapper recipe, or the other way around, or what's the general idea?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-10 08:30:28 diana_coman: they had a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950447 << see above. I'd like to know what folks want from the item before a single thing is done.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Already running as S#1074 on Auctionbot with the other servers. I don't know why this gorgeous thing hasn't gotten any bids yet http://bingology.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/trinquebeast.jpg Copper Heatsinks!
trinque: I'm thinking you and he could turn this into a proper consulting gig if they like what you produce, and I'm happy to manage / advise such an endeavor.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950231 << since I've got the botwork already in flight on my end, what do you say you and lobbes tackle making cuntoo into a usable item for mp_en_viaje and diana_coman ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-07 11:59:49 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505 << Proposal for the auction of your hardware.
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 4 days, 8 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505 << Proposal for the auction of your hardware.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/11/uk-police-punish-237-of-their-own-for-internal-breaching/ << Qntra -- UK Police Punish 237 Of Their Own For Internal Breaching
BingoBoingo: lobbes: In this case, please do not extend my auctions for this auction bot outage. I anticipate folks planning to bid near the end have already cleared their calendars.
BingoBoingo: The major difference seems to be that the cat offers a more humane end to the afflicted
BingoBoingo: They just don't want to see live bugs
BingoBoingo: Right, and in certain cases OP family of poisons are the best tools for their particular niches... But the Boeble... They don't care about niches, safety, of the fainest whiff of the stuff firing all the "RUN, ESCAPE NOW" neurons.
mp_en_viaje: well, the relationship between cognitive deficit and chronic op has been known since the 70s, post vietnam human experiments
BingoBoingo: I suspect more than anything Africa started seizing the culture in the 60s for a reason.
mp_en_viaje: "why are these bois so useless, to the point if you surgeried them into cvasi-girls they'd actual improve ?" "umm... granma house."
mp_en_viaje: then old bitches' nephew ends up with typical ustardian encephalopathy, also undiagnosed.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Its only incidental when the dork's agency is correctly discounted. Per their brainbox churnings, the cases I have seen are almost always intentional: "I want to spray my tree to kill bagworms" "Here is the Sevin, let me walk you to the safety glasses and respirators" Cartman: "Fuck you, It's my hot body! I do what I want"
BingoBoingo: In my observations, there are many unreported cases of chronic organophosphate poisoning case by failure to read the instructions. Old bitches don't have "idiopathic essential tremor", they decided to introduce slow release nerve gas into their habitation because they Doritos(TM)(R) in bed.
mp_en_viaje: no, most posoning ~worldwide~ is currently the result of incidental exposure of rando dorks to organophosphates in the "civilised" world. 5% of the per-capitas accounts for MOST of the occurence.
mp_en_viaje: both lobes reference ~the same "work"~, to boot! this will go down in history as "ustarded summarization", when the authors are so reliant on retarded readership, they will actually write bullet points in direct contradiction to the material with no care or concern.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, re the organophosphate holocaust, wikipedia is typically logical : "Organophosphate poisoning occurs most commonly as a suicide attempt in farming areas of the developing world and less commonly by accident." ; "OPs are one of the most common causes of poisoning worldwide. There are nearly 3 million poisonings per year resulting in two hundred thousand deaths. Around 15% of people who are poisoned die as a re
mp_en_viaje: the sore buttholes resulting from that "fuck you, it works" approach being how we ended up with being an engineers in the first place.
BingoBoingo: The Latina "amas de casa" have a similar fascination with bleach. Because "Agua Jane" kills germs they want to throw that shit on everything all the time, and they firmly believe they are indemnified by Señora Fatima herself that nothing bad can come from bleaching everything... except colored clothes.
BingoBoingo: "Cultural sensistivity training" start in Kindergarten and they still will not include "Read the instructions or die" in any curriculumn
BingoBoingo: This is also the same market that buys Diquat because "Roundup causes cancer!!!"
BingoBoingo: Of course that wasn't the historically precendented try it on the kids. It was just dumb old fucks too lazy to clean.
BingoBoingo: "I strongly recommend you stop doing that, and see a doctor. Take the packaging with you" "Fuck you, it works"
BingoBoingo: I am reminded of the couple of sickly middle aged to old folks who visited me during my garden center days, always raving about how effective the organophosphate "Anti-pest strips" they used all over their living spaces were.
mp_en_viaje: hence very anthropologically accurate if rather historical reaction : try it on the kids, see.
mp_en_viaje: no, actgually, that's kinda the problem : they have all sorta thing and they don't know what most of it is.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the outgoing government here has described the resignations in Bolivia as "un Golpe de Estado" as though that is a bad thing. Yes, the government got hit. What the fuck is wrong with a government getting hit from time to time?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Reading the penal code really helped to make a lot more sense of many of the lulzier local news items for this reason. There's so many edges shit gets caught on that in the US would almost certainly result in some sorta plea, consent order, diversion programs, etc that instead have to go through the motions and fail.
mp_en_viaje: and also per ro law the prosecution doesn'
mp_en_viaje: she figured out something's not right when they passed out hours later -- so she had to carry the kids three miles to the closest road to get them into a waiting cab to get them to the hospital, by which time one died, the other was comatose (died a few days later)
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other lulz (mostly for BingoBoingo 's civil law files) : woman here suspected her daughters might have lice, the rural school had some hygiene problems, so she proceeded to wash their hair with zootechnical tick repellent.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-10 04:36:49 mp_en_viaje: suppose we follow some kinda procedure here, there's first a leader, who commits to the damned project, and so on.
ossabot: (trinque) 2019-11-10 trinque: lobbes: go ahead and get a system built from the bootstrapper I released.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:18:58 trinque: the busybox item is interesting because I have some hope of actually eating the thing.
spyked: hey trinque. reading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950058 followed by http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-10#1000026 leaves me a tad confused. is it that you want to pull out portage out of the existing bootstrapper recipe, or the other way around, or what's the general idea?
lobbes: or to be more exact, I believe I've ruled out 'xmlrpc.php' being the culprit. Rather, the breakage happens once the values in the $commentdata array are shipped off to the "wp_new_comment()" function in "wp-includes/comment.php" (which then makes a call to 'apply_filters()')
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-04#1949410 << in updates on this front: I have traced the breakage to somewhere in the "wp-includes/plugin.php". It looks like it is the "apply_filters" function that may be mangling the url. More digging to commence tomorrow
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, no shortage of the sorta derps, tbh. they're divinely inspired to do whatever the fuck infantile nonsense and "the industry" should give them delicious schnitzels or w/e. that yodopopo w/e the fuck his name was sounded exactly the same.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in fiat governments can't actually back their claims https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/aduaneros-advierten-que-cambios-en-controles-de-contenedores-no-son-suficientes-2019119155624
BingoBoingo: Weev, Anglin, the Heartiste fucker who to this day hasn't fired up his own blog after Automattic booted him... It's a gimme crowd every bit as offensive as the WIC mommies crossing the borders that they bitch about
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950469 << It occurs to me that this sorta aversion to the local "nativists" wanting to socialism down here spoiled the Trump "hallucinated best friend" hangers on back in old country.
hanbot: mp_en_viaje lol pea-tree! of course by now "acacia" just connotes the extra-scary spike-spined horrors from backwoods costa rica.
diana_coman: bvt: that sounds quite great really ! re vtools though, wouldn't you sign those other vpatches you built on top or what's the thing there?
BingoBoingo: Well he was one of those "Let's try a figurehead from the mass of the population" experiments
mp_en_viaje never could stomach the dork.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, wikipedia dun know about the retiring yet lol
ossabot: (trilema-hanbot) 2019-11-10 hanbot: yeah, i think the best way is just bringing them with you through airports. in my experience customs @ santamaria has no cares and no curiosities.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema-hanbot/2019-11-10#1000045 << lol, recall that time i showed up with a pistol atop the luggage, explained to the contradicted inspector that "it's ok, it has no magazine, see ?", which he happily accepted while that frenchwoman who had just lost however many hundreds in expensive cosmetics "omfg, can't take liquids!!!" bubbled over with rage ?
BingoBoingo: ^ Updated. Evo Morales resigned +/- a couple minutes from hitting the publish button
bvt: also, update on the measurements: the rest of perf overhead was still coming from the tty driver, i had to resort a yet different fix for reading, however with keccak (i turned already present sha3 into keccak) i am currently stuck with a hand that manifests during early bootup, so i will the full writeup when i eliminate the bug; most likely, keccak would be feasible for both fast and good hashing.
bvt: diana_coman: i never signed all of the vtools vpatches. the only patches with my signatures are that of http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/vpatch-replacing-mktemp3-take-two/ http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/ http://bvt-trace.net/2019/08/vpatch-support-for-files-in-vtree-root/; the eta for a full tree can be this wednesday.
diana_coman: bvt: any eta for that vtools tree? I think I'll mirror it myself but I'd much rather mirror *your* sigs on *all* vpatches - can you point me to them please?
lobbes: ( my q's were related to my own skillset and not really the project as a whole, so I specifically decided to not ask them in #t )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-10 08:30:28 diana_coman: they had a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.
hanbot: thank you. i'll be looking for ways to "call the ships to port" this week also.
mp_en_viaje: nothing besides the commitment to doing something with it.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Comment waiting in your mod/spam hopper. I suspect the quantity of log links pushed it there.
hanbot: death's scythe, given the previous line's about ego-annihilation. i don't see what linking'd hurt tho'. who knows who'll find what entry point to the logs captivatin'.
hanbot: hmm. no, actually; i have local copies of pages i've edited less 1-3 of the most recent edits, yeesh. i just changed the paste & wot browser links today, for instance, but didn't keep the new text locally. i'ma remedy this tonight.
hanbot: for the logs: he's talking about http://thewhet.net/my-channel-trilema-hanbot/ fwiw --i don't think feedbot picks up new blog *pages*
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-10 04:43:05 mp_en_viaje: so no, 2k in 1920 very much isn't 100k in 2011 prices. it's AT LEAST A MILLION ; and "2011 prices" is purely an academic point anyway, because the sort of thing one could trivially buy in 1920 ~DOES NOT EXIST~, and therefore can't be bought for any amount of these 2020 "money" that very well fucking aren't either money or anything remotely like it.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950377 << There seems to be a soft consensus that had the derps everywhere stop and normalize everything at "2011 prices/dollars" for some reason. This is an endemic problem with the inter-LATAM comparative graphs. "Oh, we include data 1990 through 2018 but normalize to 2011 dollars"
ossabot: Logged on 2017-12-14 13:45:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don't talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste.
mp_en_viaje: ftr http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948686 item was actually http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2017-12-14#1751567 rather than the feb item there quoted, i discover preparing the smg report.
mp_en_viaje: but in the end, what you get is what you get, socialism only has one set.
mp_en_viaje: pretty much life as a micropayments crappy mmorpg, you can "get premium" consisting of... same-crap maybe slightly earlier than you'd be getting it anyway, or packaged in a different color or such
diana_coman: lol! fwiw there is also the predictable "hierarchy" within the shit with "end of terrace" being a degree of pride and so on.
diana_coman: those must be my "other type" ie still shitty but not as shitty as the other; one the nouveau rich and the other the nouveau poor, lolz.
hanbot: not to sully the grandeur of Mr. Bultitude
hanbot lived on "wilshire terrace", once. it was a hole in a concrete box with a street so narrow turning around in the car was 12 points, minimum.
mp_en_viaje: re terraces : the famous mr bultitude dwelled on terraces-something. it was 1880s lingo for nouveau rich dwellings, actually.
diana_coman: hanbot: quite; I suppose the "spreading like rice terraces " could at least be related too, lolz.
mp_en_viaje: when mining colony issues it's own i-cant-believe-its-not-money scrip, the thing's called... scrip
mp_en_viaje: thus therefore, the money of today isn't money either. because that's what money is predicated on, having a town somewhere issuing it.
diana_coman: they do manage at times to make communist flats seem great by comparison.
mp_en_viaje: TOWN. it means things. things such as no uppity morons, everyone on the street can read greek, etc. town, you know, urbanity.
mp_en_viaje: which is my point here, i want a house in town not a house in the pretentious wilderness of "civilised" england
diana_coman: and there are 2 main types, with the victorian terraces the shittiest thing possible (they were built specifically as cheap houses for newly "not-servant-but-worker".
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i do not believe the nicer houses theory. if there's a 3 level dozen+ bedroom house anywhere, it's going to be ensconced in fifty hides' land, not on a town street.
mp_en_viaje: kinda interesting historical character, gp and suspected (though never proven) serial killer, had coupla hundred patients die on him in a decade, of which the vast majority willed him the majority of theit estate.
hanbot: mp_en_viaje i kinda suspect bad writing in your excerpt..."he" borrowed 2k and bought, dun mean the thing bought was capped at 2k, who borrows the ENTIRE amount they need for purchasing real estate?!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-10 04:42:57 mp_en_viaje: now how the fuck is 20k 1920s pounds "equivalent to 100k in 2011 prices", considering that in 2011 you can not even buy, FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, that 18 bedroom house there ; all that's available is this "7 bedroom" eyesore, for over half a million pounds.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950374 - eh, nice rant and fine on money & figures; still, there are way nicer houses than that shit; "terraced" stands for shit around here but the original thing wasn't classed as terraced either so not sure why pick on that example.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-10 04:36:49 mp_en_viaje: suppose we follow some kinda procedure here, there's first a leader, who commits to the damned project, and so on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-08 03:00:59 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949938 <-- can't say yet whether that'd take 1.5 or 3 months, but... it was my understanding that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947274 is a pretty important item. either way, as I've said before, that plan ain't set in stone, any suggestions/guidance on priorities is more than welcome. I [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-08 03:03:38 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950067 <-- I'd really like to contribute to that, the only reason I didn't do it thus far being that there was always a pile of other shit to do
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-10 04:26:20 mp_en_viaje: so did http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 simply decay into the game of awkwardly waiting for each other ?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950364 <-- http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950234 ; also, I'd still like some feedback re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950228 ; is the new deedbot functionality still on the roadmap, or...?
mp_en_viaje: the only possible equivalent of 1920s £1 today is notional "infinity", about the same as the market price of a two inch tall naked fairy chained to a fuckstick.
mp_en_viaje: so no, 2k in 1920 very much isn't 100k in 2011 prices. it's AT LEAST A MILLION ; and "2011 prices" is purely an academic point anyway, because the sort of thing one could trivially buy in 1920 ~DOES NOT EXIST~, and therefore can't be bought for any amount of these 2020 "money" that very well fucking aren't either money or anything remotely like it.
mp_en_viaje: unless, of course, one realises that what passes for "a bedroom" in 2020 is the 1920s notion of a closet.
mp_en_viaje: even leaving aside the ~select address~ problem, there's nowhere in england such a thing as a select address can be had in 2020, as opposed to 1920 : the minimum price for the human dwelling'd have to be ~an interpolated~ (for lack of actual such items on the market) 1.5 to 2 million pounds.
mp_en_viaje: now how the fuck is 20k 1920s pounds "equivalent to 100k in 2011 prices", considering that in 2011 you can not even buy, FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, that 18 bedroom house there ; all that's available is this "7 bedroom" eyesore, for over half a million pounds.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in great inca lulz : "In 1929, he borrowed £2,000 (equivalent to £104,247 at 2011 prices) from a patient, William Mawhood, and bought an 18-room house called Kent Lodge, in Trinity Trees (then known as Seaside Road), a select address.".
mp_en_viaje: d assorted brainshit being the principal reason why he won't).
mp_en_viaje: and in general : the commitment to escaping management is by very far the best predictor of failure history has yet revealed ; with disavowal a major compounding factor. the "being an engineer" who "is not aware" he's deliberately fucking the records etc is absolutely never going to amount to anything (and his inept hindbrain voice whispering sweet nothings in the vein of "oh, challenge accepted", "nobody can know that" an
mp_en_viaje: suppose we follow some kinda procedure here, there's first a leader, who commits to the damned project, and so on.
diana_coman: they had a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
mp_en_viaje: so did http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 simply decay into the game of awkwardly waiting for each other ?
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/11/reading-ossasepia-logs-or-my-jig-is-up/ << The Whet -- Reading #ossasepia logs, or: my jig is up.
BingoBoingo will be back, on the day's 4th change of clothes. Getting "dress for the job you want" taken care of today.
BingoBoingo glad to see the auctions are getting early bidding.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1064: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1mn from diana_coman. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 UTC (140 hours 33 mins)
mircea_popescu will eschew the "you're mammals, stop trying to mate like angler fish already, femparasite bois!" article for now, though it's becoming quite self-obviously a major part of the problem of this supposedly civilised world.
mircea_popescu: i'm not making it impossible by observing its impossiblity ; you're making it impossible by the way you go about things, because fantasy is a poor substitute for ~anything~.
mircea_popescu: you were never as important as you think yourself. i don't mean, here. never, anywhere, your mother didn't think you as important as you think she thought you, nobody you ever met, including the stupid cunt you're attached to
mircea_popescu: wtf is some guy going to "convert" you into, me becoming blind ? holy shit the contortions of self-defensive imbecility.
mircea_popescu: it's not the case "mp thinks of people as furniture". mp has a lengthy history of ~permitting people to choose~. people choose, sometimes to be furniture. like you chose, systematically and repeatedly, to be furniture. as you are are still choosing, as above. it's not my fucking fault you ~aren't~ more than a sofa -- it's your elaborately constructed self-identity. stop mixing me into it, i didn't make you what you are,
mircea_popescu: it's not the case that "mp can't have partners". it's self-obvious that mp can, and does. YOU are NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ONE. it is on you, you're the bad part of the apple.
mircea_popescu: and in other diana_coman lulz, asciilifeform now thinks somebody wants to "convert" him. hey you! you didn't fucking leave, ~you got kicked out~. for being a moron. part and parcel of the very substance of that being a moron is your utterly ridiculous relationship to reality. stop tryina fucking retcon the past into something more amenable to your howling idiocy.
mircea_popescu: but no, i don't expect you to do all that by yourself. ~TALK~ to people why the hell won't you ?!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-09 02:56:16 ave1: which was hard for the lam part, but seems impossible for the p part for now. Because (a) php is an interface to almost all libraries on the system and (b) the configure scripts constantly find gcc based libs on the system plus (c) it uses gnu clib specific tricks.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-09#1950332 << i very much would like a ~reduced~ php. the item suffers from classical millenialtards improveitis, just like everything else. it was fine in 1994, since then they've fucked into ridiculousness.
mircea_popescu: i confess it's the most boggling aspect to me at the moment, whence this tendency to mentally compartimentalize the republic. if it's a shitty influence, why bother with it. and if it isn't a shitty influence, as it damn well isn't, then why not USE it for all it's worth.
mircea_popescu: odds are, there's more people here better informed about those matters than anywhere else you could have access to. why eschew all that ?
ave1: which was hard for the lam part, but seems impossible for the p part for now. Because (a) php is an interface to almost all libraries on the system and (b) the configure scripts constantly find gcc based libs on the system plus (c) it uses gnu clib specific tricks.
ave1: it's all consuming at the moment, but so far as I can see the future should be better halfway next year
ave1: I've been snowed under with other work
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:40:32 mircea_popescu: an' that leaves of the human hands ave1 an' mocky thoroughly unaccounted for.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 5mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (163 hours 30 mins)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 5mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (163 hours 29 mins)
bvt: not that it takes a lot of time, i guess i just never properly noted it down. will do after the measurements
diana_coman: my frozen snapshot in the starter_v is a press only up to vtools_ksum and I think it's time for an updated version really
diana_coman: bvt: it occurs to me that you actually added some vpatch(es?) to vtools eg support for files in vtree root ; do you have /mirror the full tree somewhere?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-08 06:39:24 mircea_popescu: lol dorion, nice pile of lulz you got there. diana_coman has the details, but in very general : gotta take it easier, man. it's just... it's the internet, you know ?
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950249 << heh, I half expected that, thanks. I acted on bias to share the lulz and laugh now rather than be silent about something of potential importance and cry later.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1069 created by BingoBoingo: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. Opening: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 UTC (167 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 1mn 168 Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1068 created by BingoBoingo: Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 100 ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 UTC (167 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 100 168 Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066 created by BingoBoingo: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 5mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (167 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 5mn 168 Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1065 created by BingoBoingo: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 5mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (167 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 5mn 168 Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1064 created by BingoBoingo: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 UTC (167 hours)
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 1mn 168 Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
BingoBoingo: And now to fire off the auctions:
BingoBoingo: The hate the country has for the city's eaters here well exceeds the anomisity present in the Chicago/Illinois split
BingoBoingo: The Cubans do the thing here where they send their slave doctors to compete with local medical specialists. The 45,000-ish pesos a month unspecialized primary care physicians make here is more than enough to set the bozo bit on work in the medical field.
BingoBoingo: Except the Partido Socialista who declares Oslo worship
mircea_popescu: practically the same thing
BingoBoingo: The FA groups do Miami worship while claiming Havana worship
BingoBoingo: Explicit Miami worship is more of a thing in the old, rather dead Partido Colorado. Uruguay's original take on Tammany Hall.
mircea_popescu: and everyone's supposed to not notice the miami worship / vhs america theme ? what are they gonna do fi they win, build a time machine and go eat with reagan, the last time the us mattered ?
BingoBoingo: Well, the way the coalition is split Partido Communista is blue color workers in State enterprises, Partido Socialist is White Collar workers in State enterprises, Mujica's MPP (the largest block) is pichis and mommies.
mircea_popescu: "oh, our hateful idiocy is not hate" "whynot ?" "because... ours" "but you're nobody" "judge things on their merits!!!"
mircea_popescu: oddly, it never occurs to them that all this time they spend trying to spread their hate could be better spent doing something useful.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: THe graph graffiti is mostly a thing in the transition barrios, a bit around Centro, and incredibly common in the outer barrios. Here in the "go to work" barrios with comemrcial activity they stick mostly to hammers and sickles
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Historically over here they were proud of high "literacy" rates for dubious definitions of literacy.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Their campaign logo however is a fast forward symbol in "red, white, and blue" because everyone knows those are commit colors. People put that work sticker on their fucking WORK VEHICLES (i.e. delivery motorcycles)
hanbot: BingoBoingo frankly i'm surprised they've the wherewithal to label x and y. must be a little less samba north of the river
BingoBoingo: hanbot: These are graph covering shit like "expenditures per child", "education funding", etc. They graphs are NOT however "education outcomes", because ~5 years ago those sunk below Para-rotary-guay's
hanbot: BingoBoingo are they supposedly graphs of something in particular (lemmeguess, progre-ss), or just the usual preoccupation with erection-arrows?
BingoBoingo: I've been taking a half hour each day to check the Commie melt down in the local papers. Central Committee had to tell their militants to stop calling the opposition "fachos, conservadores, y rosaditos" because it's sinking their own likeability. Now I may be naive, but it seems a large portion of the FA would prefer to throw the presidential race this cycle so they can derp and strike for 5 year and generally parroting the Argentines.
mircea_popescu: building the "empire of science", because what are orcs for, if not to mindlessly parrot whatever lulz mother inca got assraped with.
BingoBoingo: They then pat each other on the head about how they are some sorta sophisticates for polluting the scenery with bad graphs instead of bad art.
BingoBoingo: Because part of the local commie election propaganda is... Painting graphs on undefended walls. The sort of bad graphs that ignore inflation happened, etc
BingoBoingo: In a local fuss from earlier this week, derps commissioned some of the murals of the sort they commision here, all of the associated commentary was... "Next week they'll just cover it with either hammers and sickles or their damned graphs"
BingoBoingo: Sure, the computer's normally working for you, but when else do you really get to stress the machine on something satisfying? Games bogging down the computer are frustrating, compiling is... something, but a bunch of tar commands... nice to see something made with nanometer precision and operating at gigahertz need take the time to handle shit that matters.
mircea_popescu: it's a social game, some old bitty bidding three clubs at her bridge club isn't treasonable thereby