assbot: Logged on 20-03-2014 01:13:02; decimation: In 1897, there lived 345 000 Germans in Ukraine, that was 4,2 % of the population. In 1911, there were 419 000 Germans. ... In spite of it, Germans played an important part in the Ukrainian culture life. Until 1914 many professors at Ukrainian universities were Germans.
asciilifeform: when do we get to hear about the micro-germanies of argentina.
decimation: well, many were rounded up and forcibly moved by the post wwii allies and stalin
asciilifeform: there were fully-functional german hamlets in, even, kazakhstan
asciilifeform: actually quite a few remained there until '90s
BingoBoingo: I saw enemy at the gate...
asciilifeform: there were once such germans in ussr, too.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2014 05:53:18; decimation: there is actually a small Germantown in America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_German
asciilifeform: there are supposedly towns in usa speaking a kind of fossilized 18th c. german.
asciilifeform: http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf
decimation: the germans in the us were basically cowed by the english into giving up their past so that they wouldn't be suspect during ww I&II
asciilifeform: decimation: this is abundantly clear in the mentioned book
decimation: vonnegut was pissed that his father failed to bring him up in German culture, and dropped him in "one language English only" americanism << "But no, absolutely not – it was almost perverse, I think, that my father would cut me off from the past in such a way. And I think Germans are the most American of all people; [Dwight D.] Eisenhower was as American as a McDonald’s hamburger." http://www.hanknuwer.com/vonnegut.html
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The problem though is support can be more dangerous than the enemy << this is very true. french resisters had an ambiguous reputation with the foreign secret agents dropped in the field.
asciilifeform: very similar theme.
asciilifeform: see also, required reading, 'mother night' (k. vonnegut)
decimation: heh yeah I half expected the book to end with the man dying at the end of the sights of a Terran space-marine
decimation: BingoBoingo: oh you mean the book duh. I like cylinder 22
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, the one with a phone built in, Cylinder #22's third most important companion
asciilifeform: ask them.
asciilifeform: and what fraction of the pencil pushers - devil knows
decimation: asciilifeform: so at least %15 of the pa state police are hunting for this guy?
assbot: Eric Frein manhunt wipes out speeding tickets, citations - The Morning Call
BingoBoingo: decimation: Point is with the wrong support suicide mission stays suicide mission
decimation: I liked "the wasp", it was amusing
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> hitler, stalin - never. << they were popular.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, as Mr. Yarvin said, revolutions are when random adventurers seize power for their own ends
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You finish wasp yet?
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 23:45:36; asciilifeform: t, shops, warehouses. The crowd has - a correct instinct. It would like to destroy the city - the citadel of power of the political and economic kind - the root cause of its travails. The crowd is stopped in its tracks by those who have plans for the city hall, for the presidential palace. We will not stop the crowd.' (Limonov, 'The Other Russia.') - translation mine.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 23:45:36; asciilifeform: 'Take a look in History, flip through her pages. The first action in revolutions of recent history -- the erection of barricades. They'll smash the cobble stones of the street, dig them out, and block off the road with them. They'll stop cars, buses, fill the street with bricks. And also they'll attack, plunder, raze, and put to the torch the city hall, administrative buildings, presidential palace
decimation: as I recall, the leaders of those who overthrew the czar immediately began using his fancy boats, palaces, etc for their own private benefit because "they were for the people"
asciilifeform: there are definitely elements of a 'forbidden city' wank fantasy also.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect for the second half that they don't think of themselves as evil - they think that those who would wish them ill as evil. they are just trying to do good, you see - they are just "in the loop"
assbot: Sneed: Whats the secret to Valerie Jarretts security detail? - Chicago Sun-Times
decimation: http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/30214722-452/sneed-whats-the-secret-to-valerie-jarretts-security-detail.html
BingoBoingo: You know... In the current jurisidtion... No one gives mayor joe trouble, inspite of the populace probably being moar aremed than DC's
asciilifeform: even the subjugated pederasts of natoworld.
asciilifeform: and half - these folks know that they are evil incarnate. and that more or less the entire planet wishes them ill.
asciilifeform: i'd say, half of it is 'the boot stamping on the human face forever' - sheer pleasure in herding the peasants, sticking finger into their anthills,
decimation: asciilifeform: I've seen lafayette park closed just for 'quitting time' for white house people to walk away without having to touch the smelly tourists
asciilifeform: notably, no one announced 'the fuhrer is progressing'
decimation: my understanding is that the press 'takes turns' filming every movement of the president so that if he explodes or something they will have the film
asciilifeform: (does one have a legal right to resurrection once shot by the goons?)
asciilifeform: there, interestingly, was a camera crew from some local rag
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hitler, stalin - never. << But those preceeded the Kennedy Fuher
mats_cd03: 'convoys' are the worst
decimation: george will has a story about obama's visit to his house when he first came to town. apparently the secret service told the neighbors that they weren't allowed to walk on their own lawn
asciilifeform: they will close streets, restaurants, etc. for blocks.
decimation: like, can the president cancel 'freedom of assembly' where he wants?
asciilifeform: this was the first i ever saw one alive.
decimation: asciilifeform: I have witnessed similar 'convoys' in wash dc. It's amusing to see how the "sovereign people" are so easily herded away from public areas
assbot: Inside the President's armored limo | Autoweek
decimation: asciilifeform: re: ambulance << yep: http://autoweek.com/article/car-life/inside-presidents-armored-limo << "What's in the trunk? Extra weapons, a separate oxygen supply under the president's seat and emergency medical equipment, including bottles of the president's blood type in case the ambulance (one always travels in the motorcade) gets cut off."
decimation: http://www.hcn.org/issues/106/3348 << "Vincent, chairman of the Sierra Club's Environmental Quality Strategy Team, says the Army should invest in technologies that will be useful to private companies, rather than wasting time and money on incineration: "It is unconscionable for the military to be investing in dead-end technologies that nobody else wants." "
asciilifeform: decimation: french method also works (sink to the bottom of the atlantic, with 1kg trotyl per 1kg of shell)
mircea_popescu: decimation: pre-iphone there were a variety of hardware devices, post-iphone there are only iphone clones <<< this is because current crop of ruminants are idiots, believe in the myth of "the best"
decimation: every molecule is precious when it comes to the environment!!
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: I was speaking with a fellow who had to rube-goldberg engineer a crazy 'biologic' breakdown system for mustard gas, because the envirocultists refused to allow simple incineration of the stuff << Disolve in vegetable oil, emulsify with albumin, condiment that passes spec in Ohio
mircea_popescu: but that's the approach. burn it in pure oxygen
decimation: asciilifeform: I was speaking with a fellow who had to rube-goldberg engineer a crazy 'biologic' breakdown system for mustard gas, because the envirocultists refused to allow simple incineration of the stuff
BingoBoingo: First stint of grad school best parking place for plastic car was near med school body storage. Smelled freon often, formaldahyde yes, bodies... never. Curse of the USA is its surface area.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: My girl still claims her ex had a 3 inch penis or something. << these exist.
mircea_popescu: on my way to school in jr high (i walked, bout a mile) i went on a road that went by the medical school's campus' crematorium
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The one my father visited cautioned against too well built coffins. The wrong wood and wrong body can take up to a week.
asciilifeform: main danger, as i understand, is that their combustion will: create a visible plume of smoke. or, the ultimate catastrophe, 'auschwitzy' smell.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 500 lb. body causes fire at Henrico crematory << one time i spent an evening reading cremator manuals (for no particular reason. happened to stroll by a modern crematory on evening walk in new street, was curious.) every manufacturer has special instructions for the peculiarly fat 'clients.'
BingoBoingo: Uterine cancer. If the pregnancy goes ectopic and they become a uterine cancer... They ought to be punished early so as to not become a child
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo take heart in the secure knowledge that never was there a shortage of sexual congress where there were healthy men and young sluts present. and while the young sluts were never in question, bitcoin generated plenty of healthy men.
BingoBoingo will prolly pick up the next OpenBSD CD's... wishes OpenBSD saw the wisdom in an actual fundraiser so Bob Beck could code and not disappoint the firsted biggest donor
decimation: linus and his wot are pretty much the only thing standing between 'linux' and 'redhat hat kernel!!'
decimation: yeah, basically they don't want the users to have an easy way to expose how buggy their shit is
decimation: heh unfortunately no " Key, I'm f*cking tired of the fact that you don't fix problems in the code *you* write, so that the kernel then has to work around the problems you cause."
mircea_popescu: the because is that they made it deliberately spammy and unbootable, because they don't want that flag.
mircea_popescu: and you know THAT is not the because.
mircea_popescu: decimation did he tell them just how fucking drunk the whores of their mothers must have been to fuck the donkeys that fathered them ?
BingoBoingo: I just file support tickets and frontline support derps about how they don't see a DOS
BingoBoingo: Well, the site goes down, but it is shared hosting on dreamhost still so it doesn't get more expensive for me.
decimation: lol https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/415 << the systemd people tried to get Linus to accept a patch where the 'debug' kernel command argument would be silently removed from userspace, because it would trigger systemd spamming errors so badly that it wouldn't boot the system
BingoBoingo: No, they don't
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No fault in pankakke. Just seems busy and the "run old working software" party line seems to set him off.
BingoBoingo was actually excited about Scientific Linux 7 until he saw them bring in systemDevil from upstream
mircea_popescu: what is the fault we find here ?
mircea_popescu: dude i dun see it. so guy did some work at some point, then got busy or w/e, dropped the code
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's gone rogue? But not friendly to us. I think something about pete jsut rubs him the wrong way.
BingoBoingo: And might as well boot all the hardware
BingoBoingo: NetBSD because he knows he can't beat Theo in a profanity war
mircea_popescu: whoa w3ho made the scoopbot ?
assbot: Ts’o and Linus And The Impotent Rage Against systemd « IgnorantGuru's Blog
decimation: http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/
PeterL: sorry about the spam, I'll get it working in a different channel
ben_vulpes: booting is the first edge case
assbot: The problem of claims pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
scoopbot: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-claims/
assbot: Slavery : the best thing for you. No, seriously. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: "However, de Tocqueville came to the opposite conclusion: that in few places could one find ‘less independence of mind, and true freedom of discussion, than in America’. Trusting that the system was fair and just, Americans simply gave up their independence of mind, and put their faith in newspapers and so-called ‘common sense’."
decimation: pre-iphone there were a variety of hardware devices, post-iphone there are only iphone clones
decimation: precisely. what is interesting is that we see the same pattern of action that we saw with the iphone
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, poettering/rh basically wants to cut down the number of distros so they can be an Apple
decimation: redhat wants to make an osx clone for the desktop, and a virtual machine distribution for servers
decimation: I don't see so much evil behind what redhat/poettering is doing as much as just steering the boat toward their interests
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, make sure all packages work with other init systems too.
kakobrekla: well there you go.
decimation: apparently debian is going to 'discuss' the possibility of getting rid of systemd again https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00001.html
kakobrekla: PeterL if you are going to do it, make the syntax 'New blog post on $sitename by $author: $url"
BingoBoingo: !up drawingthesun
thestringpuller: any beavis and butthead fans
assbot: Beavis & Butt-HeadS06E141 - The Mystery Of Morning Wood.avi - YouTube
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sounding | The practice of inserting plastic or metal 'sounds' (long thin and very smooth objects) into yours or someone elses uretha. Ultimately leads to str...
BingoBoingo: Similar to how OSS is the best *nix sound server
ben_vulpes: thanks, thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: so i'm not a a c professional by any stretch of the mind - where do the obj/*.o files come from?
Namworld: Bingo... I already saw the term docking... so when I saw that sound docking, let's say I got a picture of someone inserting his penis inside a speaker. And not an advanced form of docking ._.
BingoBoingo: I mean seriously, if I want to get drunk on flavor x, why was I tainting the experience with extra water from the vodka?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking.
BingoBoingo: I kind of doubt Debian is going to have the pubkeys to verify Ubuntu packages
BingoBoingo: Don't they have a signed tarball?
BingoBoingo: Why not just rip the source from Sun/Oracle?
BingoBoingo: Oh after 15 minute reprieve thedrinkingrecord is down again
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well the Slacks to Khakis transition happened for a reason...
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TomServo!sewandsew@airportsecurity.junktouch.org. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TomServo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TomServo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TomServo | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:39:46 2014
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking | docking. The act of placing the head of ones penis inside the foreskin of another's penis. David and Patrick enjoyed docking immensely because of Patty's ...
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docker | Nickname or brand name for pants, usually the orginal khaki color. Dockers brand is Levi Strauss & Co's business/casual line, marketed to middle-aged, ...
BingoBoingo: What about the real Unix based Macintosh operating system A/UX
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Oh, its back nao
assbot: Facebook drones the size of jumbo jets to soar 17 miles up - Telegraph
thestringpuller: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/11120639/Facebook-drones-the-size-of-jumbo-jets-to-soar-17-miles-up.html
gribble: thedrinkingrecord.com is down
BingoBoingo: ;;isup thedrinkingrecord.com
BingoBoingo: So, looks like the Dosing started already tonight. Bingo Blog is under
BingoBoingo: !up themediator
BingoBoingo: So it looks like the great excessive bounty of tomatoes is going to end tomorrow. It's supposed to frost. Probably ought to pick the green ones and fry them.
BingoBoingo: I miss having pankkake on our side http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/18/nlcs-ended/
ben_vulpes: hardly just a receiver then.
Adlai is wondering whether any part of scalpl counts as 'patentable' under this new precedent, ie, more than just adding a computer into an existing practice
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Because it takes further fucking around in the lower courts for a few decades to see how it will actually be interpreted. And eventually another case if 50 years to address the matter again... Provided the institution is still there to address it in 50 years.
ben_vulpes: "This time it was encrypted but it was possible to determine the position of the transmitter and the reciever." << how would the latter part be possible?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: RSA pen & paper << about the same as muscle-airplane. yes, possible.
xanthyos: i want to get maryjane in the wot but she doesn't even currently own a laptop, just an android phone
kakobrekla: xanthyos if you read them you will know :)
xanthyos: http://www.heathershumaker.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/ITSOK_cover-Final-May-199x300.jpg
kakobrekla: maybe he got the idea from buttstamp
mircea_popescu: if you search the log you'll see he got called out numerous times.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal ^
ben_vulpes: slowly heating's supposed to do the trick
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
assbot: Police: Another ambush suspect sighting reported
BingoBoingo: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d04c674377a644cc9270cadaedaf4893/police-another-ambush-suspect-sighting-reported
TheNewDeal: didn't have a significant presence in the wot ? http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=burnside
TheNewDeal: yeah and other stuff https://sites.google.com/site/surfcapitalmgmt/security-research/btctc---amc-pt
decimation: wasn't that related to the asicminer stuff?
assbot: CDC Officials Confirm They Gave Second Dallas Ebola Nurse Permission to Fly Even After She Called to Report Fever | TheBlaze.com
decimation: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/15/cdc-officials-confirm-they-told-dallas-ebola-patient-it-was-ok-for-her-to-fly-even-with-low-grade-fever-report/
decimation: I feel sorry for those whose god is usg - he constantly stabs his followers in the back.
chetty: <decimation> well, if a westerner becomes infected, it's on them to make arrangements to prevent further transmission//yeah that nurse did a good job flying to and from ohio
decimation: not that there's any way of enforcing that, what with the health-care related welfare and whatnot
decimation: well, if a westerner becomes infected, it's on them to make arrangements to prevent further transmission
bounce: which means that just about any ban is useless from the start
decimation: mircea_popescu: indeed. but even then, they could make exceptions to whatever ban they make
mircea_popescu: so obviously washington can't just tell these people to gtfo
mircea_popescu: that's kinda the problem tho
bounce: too many westerners "helping" there as is
decimation: so obama needs to make the argument why one extra obola death is worth having, given the ease of avoiding the possibility
decimation: right, which is my point about the 'quarantine' . it's not like the us is making any money off of liberian trade, quite the opposite
bounce: ``Although workers' wages in Africa are lower than almost all countries in Latin America, [banana] production costs remain relatively high. This is mainly due to the lack of adequate infrastructure (road networks, communications and maritime transport) and variable quality due to climatic issues.''
mircea_popescu: cocoa will grow fine a dozen other places.
mircea_popescu: bounce wait, the one thing those people will be remembered for is... a plant ?
mircea_popescu: if the discussion was a proper, "well, do we burn it to the ground or just forget about it", the sanity of embargo would emerge
assbot: List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: so "cutting ourselves off" ? how about there's no good argument against simply burning it to the ground.
decimation: the ancestors of detroit?
decimation: most 'people' who live there have already found means to leave
mircea_popescu: can anyone name any thing, of any type or kind, that ever in the history of humanity came from west africa.
mircea_popescu: what's the loss ?
decimation: cazalla: probably would be simpler to reverse-engineer the code
decimation: well, then, that puts things to rest
assbot: Weekly Address: What You Need To Know About Ebola | The White House
decimation: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/10/18/weekly-address-what-you-need-know-about-ebola
decimation: who recovered, right in the Oval Office. And I'm fine."
decimation: "Second, Ebola is actually a difficult disease to catch. It's not transmitted through the air like the flu. You cannot get it from just riding on a plane or a bus. The only way that a person can contract the disease is by coming into direct contact with the bodily fluids of somebody who is already showing symptoms. I've met and hugged some of the doctors and nurses who've treated Ebola patients. I've met with an Ebola patient
decimation: chetty has a point. at the root of much lib-tardism is the redefinition of concepts against natural law
chetty: anything they can just take whenever doesn't really qualify as private property does it?
chetty: well first off what private property is there?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> i have no idea why they don't just out and confiscate private property.//they do all the time
mircea_popescu: do it all in one go then restore order
mircea_popescu: well yes. even the greeks have this noted down : if you're going to murder, rape, pillage your own polis,
decimation: do it all at once, rather than one at time you mean?
mircea_popescu: they learned nothing from history ? do it in one go.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why they don't just out and confiscate private property.
mircea_popescu: from what i see the quality of health services decreased abruptly past decade.
decimation: right, which is why the 'triumph' of her generation is obama - who gave us slightly more health-centered welfare
mircea_popescu: hardly any ideas there.
decimation: mircea_popescu: people like her run the 'ideas' side of usg
decimation: the 'wasp' model is more-or-less a pointless suicide mission for a lone wolf
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla did the dev kid ever send you a submission ? <<< a couple but i believe he's moved on
mircea_popescu: ie, telling bureaucrats what they should be shoulding and how they should be shoulding.
bounce: it was the looks that did her in
mircea_popescu: books and teeth, what more could one look for in a woman. spatial motility and whatchagot there.
kakobrekla: if someone cant open the lawgs ping me
mircea_popescu: either a bullhorn or a clip pad thingee
mircea_popescu: this shit probably works, in the us of a.
mircea_popescu: "Confidence: I was not lacking in confidence beforehand, but add a bullhorn and I became superhuman. It was like having a gun, except better. Walking around with a bullhorn gives all the authority of a gun, without any of the toolishness or danger of it accidentally discharging in your sweatpants. People just assume youre in charge and defer to you."
asciilifeform: just like soviet partisans did (this aspect, naturally, was not emphasized in the children's books.)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: note that, for all the poetic license of the tale, it is very clear that wasp needs a support network.
mthreat: kakobrekla: the search.b-a crawler is one
kakobrekla: to anyone who has any parsers or whatever on bitbet or any b-a service i suggest pming me your ip to get on the whitelist
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's an everybody-with-brain playbook
ben_vulpes winces at the memory
ben_vulpes: oh the core
Adlai: if you like bad movies, you must someday watch The Core
mircea_popescu: dude this sounds like the worst movie ever. i'm watching it.
mircea_popescu: l just get into it: This movie is bad. Not offensive bad. Let me repeat: NOT OFFENSIVE BAD. Bad bad. This is the Battlestar Gallactica of comedy. The plot is hackneyed and worn out and executed poorly. The characters are so boring and mundane. There's no character development. There are attempts at it, but it falls flatter than William Hung's face. Remember that William Hung reference folks, because it's as obscure and
mircea_popescu: This movie was absolutely hysterical. Remember when Alan accidentally gave his friends roofies thinking it was Ecstasy
oh Sorry about that, I was accidentally reviewing "The Hangover," which is what "I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell" is without the funny, wit, good writing, and personality. I want to do a compliment sandwich with this movie, but the reality is that I cannot give any because there's none to give. So I'l
mircea_popescu: I had a chance to hear Tucker Max talk about the movie at a screening and he seemed quite confident that it would surpass Wedding Crashers as the highest grossing comedy of all time. After seeing the movie, it became quite clear that he was completely delusional.
mircea_popescu: but i tell you, it's just the kiss of good management that makes things look that way.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know "attax" failed when people start suspecting they're self inflicted based on the end result.
mircea_popescu: because that's kinda how this went, with me being my own teenaged son. total mindfuck on the poor professionals involved.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, you ever had to do a highly qualified job while the boss' teenage kid sits right behind you going o let me drive the plane let me let me!!1
mircea_popescu: totally my bad thestringpuller BingoBoingo
assbot: I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell (2009) - IMDb
mircea_popescu: myeah. male kids seem naturally inclined to convince themselves that the stick's to be avoided.
bounce: so go teach at the local highschool?
mircea_popescu: maybe the problem here is that i don't spend nearly eno0ugh time with teenaged/young adult males. so to me all sort of shit's funny that most everyone else has had it with up to here
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: ah yes, the winblows which no one runs.