mircea_popescu: fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once << fuck 4 weeks ? i'm throwing a conniption fit in the third motherfucking day
mircea_popescu: im sure they'll do fine o.O
mircea_popescu: anyway, after the entire "we're built with security in mind from the ground up and also please everyone send btc to this address and we'll sort it out later" adventure, and then lying about it...
mircea_popescu: bloomberg isn't as well kept as the wot.
mircea_popescu: nah, just go to some people that aren't mp offer them .1 btc for whatever and you're in.
kakobrekla: yeah well, the only reason they are on bloomber is because of <h1>forex</h1> on frontpage.
mircea_popescu: yeah. but i never really wrote about it because well... that'd be the end of days, mp mommy blogger.
kakobrekla: > Now available on Bloomberg Terminal due to customer demand < just love this, 'all seven users wrote to us that they heard of bloomberg sometime someplace'
mircea_popescu: TomServo are you setting me up ? yeah, i know, i got no kids bla bla. but i speak for the romanian school of psychology, pre 1990 god damn it. i know shit.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Is there a trilema article handy detailing your child rearing tips?
kakobrekla: but it sez FOREX on the front page
kakobrekla proclaims itself for CEO of the CEO association
Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role
ThickAsThieves: so gs can nurse the teat
ThickAsThieves: get mom n pop to ignore their investments a bit longer
ThickAsThieves: so my guess is this week wall st's party line will be that everything's okay, markets recover XX% of what was lost last week in a few days, then next week new lows
bounce: oh, they're going through with it? could've had your own chip fab and gotten 1.5bn in the deal too
assbot: China may be hacking every iPhone user in the country – Quartz
ThickAsThieves: "China got its first official shipments of new iPhones last week, but a new report from web censorship watchdog Great Fire indicates Chinese users may be facing an unpleasant surprise when they try to connect to Apple services at large. As of last night, the Chinese firewall is blocking all local connections to iCloud.com, redirecting those connections to a dummy site designed to look
ThickAsThieves: “The Bank of England has identified a technical issue related to some routine maintenance of the RTGS payment system and has paused settlement while we resolve it,” a statement from the Bank said.
BingoBoingo: punkman: See the logs
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1958.96 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 2.02 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s
assbot: Thanks to all who notified us of the /hashtag/mintpal?src=hash coins. https://t.co/nH85upTbMW We are vigilant on not let them pass through /hashtag/Bitstamp?src=hash
asciilifeform: wind river << no mention, it seems, of what they shipped to be condemned to the penalty, and to whom
assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable
asciilifeform: http://www.shareable.net/blog/the-exterminators-want-ad << epic crackpottery
fluffypony: the worst I ever had in my entire life was this crazy hayfever where I hardly left my bed for 4 weeks and my nose poured buckets
fluffypony: if he means it came on quite suddenly and then lasted 10 weeks...well damn, son, I'd be in ICU
fluffypony: over the past ten weeks
fluffypony: "Many apologies for my personal absence recently and the drop in communications it has contributed to. Unfortunately I have experienced my own period of illness, which came on quite suddenly, over the past ten weeks."
cazalla: anyway, that's qntra downunder signing off, another beer and zzz, i'm sure qntra US and A will be on soon
cazalla: bounce, my parents never taught me :\ chetty, sorta have to be helpful with a 9 month old, least in my limited experience, can't cook his own meal or get the titty ready
chetty: kids won{t communicate unless they need to, are you over helpful?
cazalla: yeah, i've read to my son almost every day since he was born, teach him basic sign language as well but he just turned 9 months and is yet to use it, i've read the bright kids usually pick it up sooner
assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable
cazalla: "Affluent parents talk to their kids three more hours a week on average than poor parents, which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7
assbot: Poor kids who do everything right don’t do better than rich kids who do everything wrong - The Washington Post
cazalla: those and port jackson sharks bite cunts all the time
assbot: 'It's Not the Shark's Fault': Aussie Teen Surfer Laughs After Shark Bites Her Leg
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 2345.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 8.00 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s
mircea_popescu: nethash back then was just about 25 ph total. like fuck they bought 1/5th of the network and nobody knew.
mircea_popescu: if they bought in march...
cazalla: plus they claimed to have sold old hardware and rent out 10% or 15% of their own hashing power
mircea_popescu: there's not enough in that.
cazalla: here we go "One such customer is the Australian stock market listed Digital BTC6, which purchased mining hardware from BitFury in March, May and August ((March and May purchase was a $2 million investment, August was $1.3 million.) of 2014.
mircea_popescu: anyway, see if the russian mobster puff daddy guy is willing to give you an interview. you got at least 10 decent q's to ask him in here.
mircea_popescu: either they're lying about the bitcoins incoming, or they're paying a 5-10% to rent hashes.
mircea_popescu: they didn't get gear to mine 6k bitcoins in 3 months for 2.5mn from bitfury, that's certain.
mircea_popescu: do they list 7.65 mn in assets ?
punkman: "Envato expires cash deposits automatically after one year as a small percentage of users leave money in their account for long periods of time and cannot be contacted. Unfortunately Envato cannot be responsible for holding cash for indefinite periods"
punkman: "We're just sending you a courtesy e-mail to let you know that the funds you deposited into your Envato Market account some time ago are about to expire."
mircea_popescu: cazalla well no, since they filed and etc it's solid news.
cazalla: and not much news around today either
cazalla: so is it problematic to continue posting about them? i'm not claiming what they published is legit, it's more just to cover what they claim until such time it's proven to be a fraud
gribble: Bre-X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bre-X>; Bre-X $6 Billion Gold Fraud Story - Business Insider: <http://www.businessinsider.com/bre-x-6-billion-gold-fraud-indonesia-2014-10?op=1>; A Lode of Lies: How Bre-X Fooled Everyone - Washington Post: <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/canada/stories/brex051897.htm>
cazalla: the company never gives specific information as to whether they mine on their own or part of a pool or how much hashing power they have
mircea_popescu: aha aite then.
cazalla: it is published on the asx so just as good
cazalla: anyway, i'm not claiming it's factual, they are and it's what they submitted to asx, i find it interesting to follow this lot though
mircea_popescu: weren';t we discussing a month or so ago the unfortunate affairs of a puff daddy promoter, ended up in jail for fraud ?
mircea_popescu: i like the brick and mortar way this is going.
cazalla: well the zhenya guy apparently is russian mafia
cazalla: they've done a few million dollar deals with bitfury, so they claim anyway, i don't know who is jewing who anymore
mircea_popescu: they mined 240 blocks in 3 months ?
mircea_popescu: not through that entire mintsy bs, "allowing people to add their computers" to the... world's largest first and best exchange nobody uses
mircea_popescu: cazalla i dun get it. how exactly they earned 6k btc ?
PinkPosixPXE: but he doesn't seem fond of the idea
PinkPosixPXE: well if you all want to compete, that's fine too. But I'd secure the 0.1 for mircea_popescu
PinkPosixPXE: except, it's not a competition, you just get the 0.1 BTC
mircea_popescu: ;;rate PinkPosixPXE -1 Sure, there you go.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you've missed a lot in the logs.
nubbins`: they're actually still updating everything
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1BTC if you throw me some rank, you can send me pictures of your titties as well, with a string of text written on them. ;)
ThickAsThieves: hehe maybe good tool to practice overtaking btc then
ThickAsThieves: someone sold down the mkt tho
ThickAsThieves: <+mats_cd03> lol dude operates a mixer. /// probly part of the trap
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assbot: Big increase in surgery to mend flesh tunnel earlobes | Life and style | The Observer
cazalla: "Now one of the fastest-growing cosmetic procedures in the UK is repairing stretched earlobes." hilarious http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/oct/19/cosmetic-surgeons-repair-stretched-earlobes
BingoBoingo: Oh a quack made the local paper http://www.bnd.com/2014/10/18/3462222/guest-view-could-ebola-patients.html?sp=/99/174/
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10604.10 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10497.70 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 21.55 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s
mircea_popescu: fucktarded kids thinking they're going to get rich.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so there's at least three different parties attacking, seeing how it went from 60 to 50 then to 35
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9946.92 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 34.78 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s
mod6: there are some here (not sure if this is what you're referring to): http://atc.blockr.io/charts
mircea_popescu: who had all the nice atc graphs ?
mircea_popescu: "o, we're too special to mine helpfuly, we gotta be smarter than the britches allow"
BingoBoingo: And they were also non-responsive
mircea_popescu: anyway, a bunch of smartass miners are going to hurt once their coinbases finally mature.
BingoBoingo: Pity the Pool's was
mircea_popescu: the ispace assholes was the thing that "didn't work" and nobody was answering, back when we were looking for a pool, was it ?
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8600.13 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 49.11 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
diametric: what makes it docker is the whole management infrastructure around it
kakobrekla: <mike_c> ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out < my thought was its the 60th guy
diametric: asciilifeform: now if you're relying on docker to be a jail for the purposes of security, than that alone isn't ideal.
mircea_popescu: seems kinda clear. who's going to spend a coupla btc to get it back out of the hole ?
diametric: asciilifeform: docker's purpose isn't security per se. an escape can be irrelevant. if anything its a nice system for compartmentalizing your system and preventing the pollution of your filesystem with random libraries needed by a single application.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10149.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 61.45 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s
mike_c: somehow i misunderstood based on bingo's continued involvement and the renting of the hashpower.
asciilifeform: if i recall there was some vague rumour of an escape for it.
assbot: Logged on 20-10-2014 01:16:57; kakobrekla: <Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping
mircea_popescu: diametric maybe it was my question, originally. ie, why would you add more to the list.
diametric: asciilifeform: is there an incident that started the discussion? all i see here is a lot of "using docker insecurely is insecure."
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << twas on trilema months ago neh ?
asciilifeform: log works again, see there.
undata: asciilifeform: that only fixes the one that's a "feature" if I recall
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10658.51 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 63.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s
asciilifeform: i would utterly do this in their place.
mircea_popescu: no amount of thumbing nose and general pretense is going to help. mpxxx will drive usgxxx anything out of the market. period and full stop.
asciilifeform: i still can't fathom why they're not having their muppets push the 'all this derp is because they really broke rsa in the '90s' angle.
mircea_popescu: here's the scoop : if the usg does not standardize good crypto, mp WILL. and the result wil be that mp's standards will drive the nist out of the market.
mircea_popescu: What if the terrorists hear about fast secure crypto? Yikes! Similar to constant-time story. Dont standardize good crypto. Discourage use of good crypto. If the good crypto persists, try to bury it behind a huge menu of bad options. Advertise cryptographic agility; actually cryptographic fragility. Pretend that this agility justifies using breakable crypto.
asciilifeform not entirely surprised to discover poetteringisms in: 'mplayer', 'firefox', a number of other packages
asciilifeform: gotta keep the s-boxes around, or regenerate on demand. tertium non datur
mircea_popescu: Almost all AES implementations use fast lookup tables. <<< o, what ever could be the problem with lookup tables wink wink
mats_cd03: i do my best not to think about the dongs that have been in my wife
mircea_popescu: undata> wouldn't... *using the thing* collect the data relevant to judging its performance? << YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS PUTIN!
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8253.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 60.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s
mircea_popescu: it isn't, and they get caught all up in that process as if it were something.
mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing. << silly thing to put a price on. sort-of like making teens think losing their virginity is a big fucking deal.
kakobrekla: <Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping
asciilifeform: this is, to an extent, a rerun of the anthrax thing.
undata: asciilifeform: "On October 10th, the FDA has granted emergency use authorization to three screening system called Ebola Zaire Target1, which was also developed with help from the Defense Department" << BioFire just isn't in the in-group, I'd wager
undata: "The FDA may not authorize the use of a diagnostic test before reviewing data about its performance in detecting Ebola virus in human specimens and determining that the standard for authorization is met."
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 16:25:38; asciilifeform: (SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors)
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 16:21:08; asciilifeform: when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks
Apocalyptic: yeah... the guy is back again
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8174.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 52.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.69 TH/s
assbot: Dallas Hospital Had the Ebola Screening Machine That the Military Is Using in Africa - Defense One
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 15700.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 47.27 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.75 TH/s
jurov: i'm sure they will include some ddos functionality into systemd bery soon
jurov: it's revenge for us bashing the systemd
ninjashogun: (for the record, I just have this one.)
ninjashogun: I mean other WoT nick?
ninjashogun: Do you guys know what his other WoT rating was that he referred to?
ninjashogun: anyway this is what I wrote MP on the subject - http://pastebin.com/VHQ4XyzA (via PM just now)
ninjashogun: I was just referring to the bottom lines. <fivezerotwo> im just trolling you dude <fivezerotwo> we're being paid to troll you (and then he disconnected)
mats_cd03: i appreciate the contribution to drama ninjashogun
asciilifeform: is it - what owner paid? what the 'fence' will get, on the blackmarket? what the fence will pay you?
asciilifeform: rather like trying to come up with value for stolen painting.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in light of what i previously explained about botnets, it is difficult to calculate the actual value of a particular 0day.
jborkl: So, there are two companies going btc belly up I have never even heard of
mircea_popescu: <fivezerotwo> so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes <fivezerotwo> mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this << i suppose this is the ultimate endorsement or something ?
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> "Nefario" was STILL around? << yes, the "foundation" scammer group is looking after its own
ben_vulpes: jurov: i'm just trying to build 0.6.3 the way it seems to want building
kakobrekla: space missing in the last paragraph before 'Set'
fivezerotwo: don't worry, there are plenty of less protected targets ;_;
mats_cd03: youre a cool dude for messing with people that lead public lives on the internets
Namworld: I wasn't aware he was staying in the space when he axed GLBSE.
fivezerotwo: mats_cd03, later ;; kakobrekla digitalocean does at some point, but they are one of the more resilient hosts
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's usually how they come when i'm involved.
mats_cd03: immutability is one of the design mitigations in docker
undata: ben_vulpes: system config should be built into the OS, and each act of changing it should leave a snail trail
mats_cd03: http://www.acsac.org/2010/openconf/modules/request.php?module=oc_program&action=view.php&a&id=69&type=2 << the honeymoon effect and the role of legacy code in 0day vulns
undata: mircea_popescu: You can make changes to a docker by hand, then make an image from that. It's better to stick to your Dockerfile, but you don't have to.
mircea_popescu: undata how would a script "understand the system state" once you actually need it to do so ? (ie, you no longer do)
mircea_popescu: it comes from the cloacal opening of an intestine.
undata: mircea_popescu: docker does run the risk of merely snapshotting the wad of mess and saying "ok, this wad worked, kind of" rather than actually understanding system state
mircea_popescu: even better for "managing system state" would be making the system simpler.
undata: I like docker for managing system state; I'm asking what the security value add is above just using the VM directly.
mircea_popescu: no, that was the question.
mats_cd03: and if you have a competent sysadmin it does actually make the developers job easier
mats_cd03: 18:29:29 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm, <<< trhen why even bother ? am i dense ?
undata: honestly though, people would just assume it was a sign of the end times and double down on irrationality
xanthyos: i'd love to see the demand for food and fuel plummet
undata: an actual outbreak of ebola in the US would be good for this country, though completely unlikely.
assbot: Let Them DIE!!! - YouTube
xanthyos: i gotta tell you i've always been a liberal but the way the left is handling this ebola thing as a race issue makes me fucking crazy
xanthyos: is that from the desk piece halfway through an episode of bill maher?
xanthyos: the "law" of torah
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE so is that you in the pic, actually ?
xanthyos: the chabads anyway
xanthyos: the jews seem to be more interested in tradition and ritual than ethics
PinkPosixPXE: My dog only gets to IRC on days of the month that are prime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the 'method' idea is possibly lifted from the jewish tradition (where you are not, in fact, asked to believe in god, but to simply carry out the program, as i understand.) << errything's lifted from judaism.
mircea_popescu: and so... fingerprints ? lol. but they're being replaced with "dna proof". which IS more selective,
mircea_popescu: in any case, most of the stuff justice relies on to function is actually broken and couldn't stand scrutiny. ironically, the older it is, the more apt it is regarded by the amply conservative mechanism of justice ; yet the more likely to be flawed irretrievavbly
mircea_popescu: part of the reason is post structuralism and deconstructivism. the other part is the internet.
mircea_popescu: bounce: all good and well to want to avoid societal collapse, but to pretend biology would willingly accomodate you there is maybe a bit much. the judge's answer thus is a good measure of the quality of the judicial branch << you have to understand that pious fraud was a lot more fashionable in 1914 than it is today
mircea_popescu: *: bounce thinks the amount of "security" around POTUS is both its own show and another sign that el presidente is not in fact in control of the government faculties <<< doh.
mircea_popescu: bounce: engineers do, make, fix, etc. thinking starts maybe once the tech is widely deployed and cannot be put back in the box. <<< yeah, it's not the job of the engineer to think.
mircea_popescu: now, they'd just make us richer.
mircea_popescu: one of the numerous categorical things bitcoin is doing is making such ploys impossible. pre bitcoin, they could have tried to squeeze the market.
mircea_popescu: bounce: rather transparent ploy at that, but succeeding << not succeeding in any sense
Escu: the combination, please my |Master.
Escu: forgive me my wanna be master, can you give me other combination?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: only because no one yet has the audacity to list usg payola as 'profit' << ahaha this'll be fun
Escu: the text
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm, <<< trhen why even bother ? am i dense ?
mircea_popescu: please share your obvious with the group, it's in short supply.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no. and wtf is "pink posix pixie" supposed to mean ? that she's not pink in the middle like normal women, but on the forehead ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "People like to call books and films and videos "software." They are not sophisticated." << care to explain ?
undata: so you're saying there's no future for me with Elon, eh?
mircea_popescu: it's the original one night stand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point. people that hit themselves in the head with a hammer don't write on the accdent report
asciilifeform: the idea was specifically to show that existing btc protocol is isomorphic to a 'proper chat'
undata: asciilifeform: then you have a positive opinion of using the blockchain for information storage?
undata: asciilifeform: ah yes, I was merely focusing on the social behavior
asciilifeform: undata: the idea, as described on my site, is deadly-simple - no need for server, you 'speak' by sending btc to an address. others 'hear' by seeing what was sent. if the channel owner (owner of privkey to address) decides that you are persona non grata, you never see your coin again. otherwise, it is sent back after a while.
asciilifeform: that is, will operate precisely as intended while the latter does.
bounce: from the country that brought us fearsome defamation laws, two kinds of online porn blocking, jail penalties on refusing to hand over your passwords, and, oh hey, anti-social behaviour orders... sure it'll happen, and it'll get used too.
undata: asciilifeform: then what is?
asciilifeform: undata: not the point
undata: your post makes me think about paying for "infractions" rather than per message
BingoBoingo: Breaking Opterons do do things they were never intended for
asciilifeform: and yes, it was actually intended to be an os running on off-the-shelf x86-64 hardware.
asciilifeform: that was the original subject, yes
undata: bah, close enough on the domain
undata: asciilifeform: interesting chat concept on the front page of that site; is it yours?
asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8478427 << gotta love the shitgnomes repeating their mantras of 'it was an accident111!11', 'security is impossibly hard!', 'never roll your own crypto', and other tiresome disinfo.
mircea_popescu: the free radicals ?
bounce: won't somebody think of the free radicals?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: how are you to fight the usg thusly? << clearly, one who "does not understand how the world works", the highest honor said usg can bestow upon people.
PinkPosixPXE: Best I could find, no video/recorded broadcast on the H2HC site or anywhere for that matter. :/
PinkPosixPXE: I've searched far and wide, only a pdf version of his slides, I imagine they were just markers for him. But the commentary in the thread, specifically the first user, bullet points some of the main topics.
mircea_popescu: ah i guess you meant the comments huh.
PinkPosixPXE: Here's a decent thread that provides some of the cliff notes, and main points (based on some of the viewer's/reader's interpretation) : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8478427
PinkPosixPXE: it was from the H2HC convention
PinkPosixPXE: I've looked, there's no video that I can find