Diablo-D3: its because there isnt one
Diablo-D3: undata: well thats the problem
mircea_popescu: "they". who ?
Diablo-D3: so cyberbunker is just another scam
Diablo-D3: and theres zero proof it ever happened
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: they did a lot of research into it
Diablo-D3: someone called their local cops
kakobrekla: at least they admi it
mircea_popescu: ahem. shitheads.
mircea_popescu: After paying 8088.- euros to CyberBunker, nothing further was heard from the SWAT team."
mircea_popescu: "CyberBunker's lawyers later discovered that the police had indeed sent officers to the bunker for what they claimed was a routine check and that nothing out of the ordinary had taken place. When CyberBunker's lawyers suggested that the surveillance footage could be put online, the police department then quickly offered to pay to repair the damage caused to the fence.
bounce: that is the upside to "forgetting" to turn on your "advanced surveillance system" on your cold war bunker. "what, swat tried to raid us? didn't notice"
mircea_popescu: inside the bunker noticed anything unusual. The SWAT team did some further investigating, and appears to be making phone calls. Finally the SWAT team realized what occurred when City Hall attempted to breach the blast doors. Apparently recognizing that they had gone overboard on their raid, the SWAT team decided to go home.
mircea_popescu: e bunker with a battering ram. It must not have occurred to the officers that the blast doors were designed to withstand a 20 megaton nuclear explosion from close range. When the SWAT team realized that the door was not being opened for them, they throw flashbangs and take other actions to draw attention. The surveillance footage shows quite a lot of activity at this point. On the other side of the blast doors, no one
mircea_popescu: Once the SWAT team reached the bunker's blast doors, they 'knock' to announce their presence. It is unclear exactly what they say, as no sound is recorded from the surveillance system. CyberBunker is equipped with an advanced Intruder Detection System (IDS), however due to a testing drill the previous night the IDS system was accidentally left in the inactive mode. Two SWAT officers are seen to hit the blast door of th
bounce: cb3rob and friends are complete nitwits, sadly. claim to've snagged the thing "with sovereignty" then allows a bunch of idiots to burn the place down with a meth lab and on top of that lets the (soi-disant foreign) authorities in.
mircea_popescu: dr_love hence the "gem website" reference.
bounce: might be more useful to shoot for two of those connected to each other, and stick some fibre in the connecting tubes. maybe check if there's still copper in there and sell it.
dr_love: what if you fund it for it to be neutral EV from t0 with a little jackpot kickstarter fund on the side? you can surely make it back if you grab enough attention with the initial offering
bounce: that's positive, means presumably already optimised for sticking in racked gear, except probably not for the density and consequent heat required these days
mircea_popescu: is there one in kansas ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty much the only thing about a dc location is if it's on a ring or not.
BingoBoingo: Another interesting candidate for DC use http://www.missilebases.com/#!storage-depot-ne-kansas/c1d1o
mircea_popescu: dr_love you can still run it like BingoBoingo suggested, for no extra cost, if you got the "people" in question
mircea_popescu: they may just as well play dice in that interval for better EV
mircea_popescu: or else he wins other's money. to get a jackpot large you need a bunch of idiots to play a bad odds gamre for a long time.
bounce: "13 acres" parces size and "8200 sqft usable, underground space". seems like a rather small bunker for that plot of land. so essentially buying a farm with some stray concrete in the soil?
mircea_popescu: dr_love understand : either the player wins his own money (ie, risks 1 cent, may make 100 btc 1:10000 times)
dr_love: BingoBoingo: what's "exciting" in lotto is the huge, lifechanging jackpot. dice is much more real in that sense, so the conversion rate might just be bigger in lotto
mircea_popescu: should be more or less in the $100 range that you were discussing.
PinkPosixPXE: There are some BTC only vps providers out there that I've gleamed, but haven't dug in.. Would be interesting to look into, I've got all the experience needed, and a few others I know are vps sellers/resellers (not that I'd recommend many of them, heh.. but I just find their style a bit sloppy).
dr_love: mircea_popescu: so dice is the cutting edge in gambling, you're saying
BingoBoingo: jurov: Well... if he doesn't have any other way to spend BTC it might be their only way to avoid burial with him.
BingoBoingo: dr_love: BitBet only takes 1% and most people who bet there can math
mircea_popescu: buy 10gpps, put a rack in there, forget it.
mircea_popescu: so i dun get the question.
dr_love: *the best, most efficient wrapper
BingoBoingo: dr_love: Write a bitbet "Between XX/YY/ZZZ and AA/BB/CCC the sum of the numbers drawn in a powerball drawing will be Divisible by 37" put 1 BTC on yes, wait for people to take the other side when they do the math.
jurov: mircea_popescu: how do you imagine economic model of such hosting? if we put everything onnto one basked and then one ddos burns $100/week of bandwidth, who'll pay?
mircea_popescu: dr_love basically it's a marketing wrapper on top of a dice site. best work as a promoter then i guess.
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dr_love: mircea_popescu: player's perception? the jackpot grows huge after a few rollovers
kakobrekla: when one customer will threaten all the seven you got
mircea_popescu: in short i'd put bitvps down to poor management rather than poor fundamentals.
dr_love: mircea_popescu: when you need to buy a ticket to have a 1 in xxx,xxx,xxx chance to win the jackpot
dr_love: is there any value in a provably fair bitcoin lottery?
mircea_popescu: it's rare that you get the customers asking for you, usually people have to create markets
kakobrekla: there isnt much space
mircea_popescu: the idea that poor people have something to say boggles.
mircea_popescu: blogger that can't afford any but free hosting should stfu and turn the fries.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, people like the amateur ddos guy will be helping with this.
mircea_popescu: colocate in locked boxes, don't allow the dc or anyone else any sort of access to the boxes, kivm or whatever
mod6: yea, we need The Crypt like in cryptonomicon
mircea_popescu: if it's someone you trust then it's someone you trust.
mircea_popescu: then sell space.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while. < meh the only way you can do anything in this direction is to be another reseller
pete_dushenski: i did for a few years with the car industry.
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mircea_popescu: let's pretend like things are other things and stuff!1
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin won without the reddit doge derps trying"
mircea_popescu: "All those haters that come in here with economic models and charts telling us it's impossible; all the hit pieces penned by pros like Krugman telling us to 'grow up' - none of them really quite grasp that there could possibly be a group of people who have the audacity to sit around their hallowed poker table without needing to win."
mircea_popescu: good, stuff needs to breathe.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha didja run off with the niquette piece ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'm told the site was down but it was while i was sleeping. it was back up when i awoke.
PinkPosixPXE: I'm one of the Senior Linux/Unix Admins for a publishing company.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski did the 30mbps do anything ?
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo daniel "speeks" ? i'm not the only one who noticed this...
PinkPosixPXE: I will openly admit I am still learning, and new, but will try to avoid putting my foot in my mouth too much :P. I've combed over all the wiki's for bt-otc and bt-assets, and am going through the 6 months of logs as I find time.
kakobrekla: and natural balances of the assiverse were restored
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, that was my mistake, the joke was in poor taste, and I also misunderstood the ranking system a bit. Sorry about that.
mircea_popescu: and it was 600ish bitcoin they admitted to
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the no vol i'll include but this missing 100 and same deposit address i can find nothing of
PinkPosixPXE: Good, almost done, I had to jump in a work meeting to discuss the Bash Shellshock vuln, and repatching some systems.. But I gave BingoBoingo an update, and will be sending it off shortly. It's my first shot at this, so I hope it's not too egregious.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mpoe-pr told kraken pr to quit over their trying to paper over that incident.
kakobrekla: hard to keep up whats the latest problem
bounce: <mircea_popescu> all that's needed to put someone at a crime scene today is an old hairbrush, or a worn shirt, or anything. << oh yes. there was this mass-everything criminal, showed up everywhere, who eventually turned out to be a sloppy worker in a dna swab factory
mircea_popescu: ended up with ~100 btc in deposits they couldn't properly credit.
mircea_popescu: cazalla few months ago, they had this embarassing moment when they sent the same deposit address to anyone asking for a deposit address for a day or two
kakobrekla: fuck the deposits nice logo
mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, you can mention the time they lost customer deposits, too, round it all up, since it's there.
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cazalla: but i should've mentioned the non existent vol kraken has
mircea_popescu: whether you get paid or not.
mircea_popescu: cazalla but when you quote what the man says whle the man's puffing up his business, you are in fact publishing paid pr.
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla yeah but you see what i mean <<< not really, it's not a promotional piece, just quoting what the man said himself, i'm not too familiar with kraken guys though tbh
mod6: 'bout the same time.
mircea_popescu: o the guy quit, i recall
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how's the piece coming along ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ? <<< i thought i mentioned their low vol in the article, guess not
mircea_popescu: whether we're getting paid for that sort of thing or not, it's still paid pr.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ? <<< jesse's words, not mine, they did pocket some cash from investors, gotta spruce the japanese launch somehow
Apocalyptic: here's in #paymium at the moment, at least
mircea_popescu: what else is there ?
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mod6: mircea_popescu: way to hurt some butts in the USGavin trilema article. good read. :)
mircea_popescu: and THOSE caused them to blow up.
mircea_popescu: no, but they've had "we know shit and we have economists" dev teams
bounce hasn't really kept up there
bounce: those have variable-sized blocksize limits and that caused them to blow up?
mircea_popescu: if those things actually worked, they wouldn't have blown up.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "blocksize elasticity" and all the rest of the derpage is trying to turn bitcoin into whatever, xrp, nxt, whatever the hell.
bounce: was under the impression you were referring to a non-meta-game situation
bounce: to the point that fixing the points becomes its own game, and they're "fixed" in the sense that a happy few get to move the goalposts but they're not moving any less. they are pretty much guaranteed to be suboptimal, though.
mircea_popescu: how are either of those two examples of limits ?
mircea_popescu: so far what i got from your position is, "curious how the market adjusts the price of the oil barrel, but not what a barrel consists of"
bounce: hm? how, oh, aml/kyc stuff causes banks to be happy to kick clients out that cause regulatory headaches. why are banks supposed to be policing their clients again?
bounce: not that blocksize elasticity is automatically a good idea. it opens up an avenue for attack to push the smaller players out
mircea_popescu: that's actually the definition of mess.
mircea_popescu: well, curious how the car moves forward, but not realy upward.
bounce: curious really how the difficulty gets adjusted automatically but the size limit, implying a maximum number of transactions per second, isn't.
mircea_popescu: the worst part of it being that you know, he KNOWS about this place.
bounce: didn't really adress that, did he? not the only thing he glosses over.
mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, it's kind-of amusing to me that the Krawisz fellow KNOWS about gavin's ideas to reduce block propagation from a function of size to a fixed value
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/#c4170 << shit is this actually the player in question ?!
bounce: buzzwords and marketeerspeak, aka smoke and mirrors. what's the substance?
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nubbins`: if there's logic in that, i can't find it
nubbins`: i can send a flat-packed poster to nottingham for the same price i can send a dozen shirts to china
mircea_popescu: what they opine as to how either of those should work, well... i'm a believer in free speech just as much as the next guy.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here." << the only thing that matters in there is that they understand who is setting the conversation and establishing the winners and losers
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> in the end, current regs already do apply <<< ahahah what ?
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> someone is sane? << apparently it's possible
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nubbins`: didn't print the postage for that one at home
nubbins`: shipping is w/e the postage said last time ;D
nubbins`: $9.75ea for another 6
thestringpuller: we've almost sold them all I think 1 left?
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thestringpuller: well there was one where someone was wearing the physical shirt (i think it was your wife?)
thestringpuller: nubbins`: the shirts are well received
thestringpuller: i just saw that in the logs
nubbins`: so it seems like he said the whole thing, when in fact it was a comment on something you said
nubbins`: i think the <<< indicating reply wasn't picked up
nubbins`: "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here."
bounce: so what's going to happen is there'll be some toning down on this proposal to show heart to the community and all that, but we still end up with more rules than already required. and in a few years the whole thing becomes obsolete because unworkable. there goes the mark on history.
bounce: this goes even if it's the only possible choice. that it isn't, because the aml regs already make little sense and even more stringent rules therefore can only make even less sense.
bounce: look here, the guy's proposing lots of regs so he can make his mark on history. then he can do one of two things: more regs, recommending less regs. what he cannot possibly do is keep regulatory levels the same as federal requirements because that deprives him of making his mark on history.
bounce: it's the only way out, actually
ThickAsThieves: in the end, current regs already do apply
bounce: really don't feel like reading the entire circle thing. the headlines read reasonable but eg. the bit about aml merely says "aml doubleplus good. we happy to aml for you. you want even more aml than the feds, no good." which is a bit weak.
thestringpuller: oh and it links to the logs
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thestringpuller: http://bitcoinist.net/the-optimal-block-size/ << this article references Mircea
mircea_popescu: anyway, got a meeting. we can resume usgavin and the five fail dwarves discussion later.
mircea_popescu: bounce yup. which is why the "you seem to have omitted suckling my penis, son" is the right approach.
bounce: the regulators really don't care what they're regulating, as long as they can make you dance on their regulation strings. what are we regulating this thing for again?
mircea_popescu: fucking shocking, 5 "actual" economists found that agree inflation is a good idea, and if anything is naturally uninflationary, adding it in is the tits.
bounce: complete powertrip for the regulation peeps. "oh, new thing, money-ish. let's r e g u l a t e" -- and then just sit back and watch the companies affected fall over themselves to submit to not-even-existing-yet regulations
Namworld: Yes. They wrote what could be bought in single quantity. Opened boxed and unopened ones. Usually a discount for whole boxes and half boxes.
mircea_popescu: after which, they might matter.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who knows, maybe they learn to not pdf.
mircea_popescu: anyway, seriously, gavin and "5 ~actual~ economists", this is the "are we all wrong" astroturf consensus he hopes to go on ?
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't make sure he knows any better first, that's the culpable act.
mircea_popescu: he is opening his mouth, that's the voluntary act.
mircea_popescu: so, anyway. questions. "What makes you think getting the okay of five anon products of the US diploma mill has any bearing ? Bitcoin wasn't made by "economists"
Namworld: I found a food wholesaler in the middle of the city, industrial looking building. It's like entering some fish factory or something. Things look old, a bit unclean. Looks like a factory filled with supplies.
mircea_popescu: an economist wants to be an economist, 6 months on the logs and tit pictures.
mircea_popescu: they didn't make bitcoin. they don't get to join later on and get a seat at the table.
mircea_popescu: and WE won't admit this theory where "econoimists" matter.
mircea_popescu: the problem here isn't that gavin is trying to fuck things up, because he won't succeed.
mircea_popescu: because then he can give 5 names and make it look like he answered something.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no. that is pushing things the wrong way.
ThickAsThieves: "Who are the 5 economists?"
ThickAsThieves: and why did none of them cosign?
mircea_popescu: because out of the fifty billion idiots that are nevertheless certified as economists by the us paper mill
mircea_popescu: bounce that's not even it. is he genuinely proposing that the bar for corectness is finding 5 "actual" economist sto agree,
bounce: not unusual for scores of economists to be all wrong together
mircea_popescu: perhaps we "just don't understand how the world works".
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves amusingly, usgavin is pulling out the "your shit's not usg certified" card.
mircea_popescu: it may be fashionable AMONG IDIOTS, it's neither true nor important.
mircea_popescu: just as well you might be saying "the world wil not be sustainable if there's not more social justice"
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell DanielKrawisz "The real issue here is that Bitcoin is almost certainly not sustainable if the block size remains limited to 1 Mb. " << nobody agrees with this idiocy.
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mircea_popescu: "Coin Brief is Your Open Source for Digital Currency News, and was formed in April 2014. Since that time it has quickly grown, and is becoming THE hub for digital currency news, information, and tools." ooookay ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol what is that
thestringpuller: UGA is in Athens 2 hours east of Atlanta
thestringpuller: Football games there leave the city of Athens looking like the Greece Athens right nao
thestringpuller: Well you don't get the UGA behavior.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i was there briefly, it wasn't bad.
thestringpuller: Not saying it's fact, just plausible given my tenure at the plpace.
thestringpuller: But really, I hung out with a fraternity brother once who said he hooked up with a girl who didn't know she had a clitoris.
thestringpuller: most girls at tech don't put out until they are 22
thestringpuller: Yea the girls at Tech are feminist so that email didn't go down too well.
thestringpuller: "If the party is going good (a.k.a. there are a lot of open girls) try to escalate cause it.s awesome. Here is how to escalate: Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front. FROM THERE THE OPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED! You can make-out with her (tongue on tongue), you can stick your hand up her shirt (not right away though), you can go for a butt grab (outside or inside the shirts), or use your imag
thestringpuller: i'll get the leaked email
thestringpuller: Oh yea. One second there was 1 fraternity that was very "rape-y"
mircea_popescu: "Alright chods, some of you could use some help on how to mack and succeed at parties. Mostly pledges do, but some bros could use a review. For anytime throughout the party
If you are standing by yourself at any point, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!! If you are talking to a brother of your pledge brothers when there are girls just standing around, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!!"
thestringpuller: people don't know how to party there!
mircea_popescu: course it doesn't deal with cunt anymore except in the meta, but that's really okay for the demo.
mircea_popescu: they need stuff more like SOCIAL sciences, ie, talkradio. so they came up with this unfalsifiable version that's all yak, no actual anything.
mircea_popescu: well pua has a major disadvantage for your run of the mill usian : it's falsifiable, like a science.
mthreat: and i thought the matrix was real
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller apparently it's a thing. http://trilema.com/2014/please-take-your-pills/ << that's where i discovered it anyway
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thestringpuller: what are redpillers? people who saw the matrix and think it's real?
mircea_popescu: libertardian hello brother. are you here to help me turn the tide and breach through the oppressive injustice these ancap redpiller types keep weaving ?
mircea_popescu: they are a science, and hardly worth the effort given that w/e, it's just bash quotes
kakobrekla: thats the inherit property, cant get tired of it.
kakobrekla: meh, that voting system i did there was broked. and i fixed it 3 times and its still broked.
mircea_popescu: in other news, dji only down half a % today
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea. and then broke it. i still have my backpack they proxied from china tho.
thestringpuller: the frist one
thestringpuller: there we go
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mircea_popescu: Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role <<< welcome to mpex in 2011 :)))
mircea_popescu: Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?!?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: BUT the dynamism embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. Americas best days lie ahead.
mircea_popescu: education, work, everything the same. they don't buy shoes to have shoes, they buy shoes for the other people to see they got shoes.
mircea_popescu: *: Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration << details, details. it's the united states of methodical hypocrisy anyway, they don't get married to be married, they get married to get the paperwork.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah give the girl a chance.
mod6: << bah. anyway, all the real news is on irc.
mod6: find any real btc news on the net still
BingoBoingo: Ah, then now writing Housing market stalls as payments stop
thestringpuller: i can't find any real btc news on the net still
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wanna write it up ? or... make the woman do it ?
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kakobrekla here's your finders fee for the intel article