RagnarDanneskjol: is there a zip/torrent of all logs avail somewhere?
RagnarDanneskjol: talkin bout the old one
kakobrekla: a you speak of the carcas
RagnarDanneskjol: deedbot is actually up - in here under different nick - just the server it lives on failed security audit
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski oyu know, if anyone gave a shit about either gavin or reddit they'd just go there.
pete_dushenski: [–]gavinandresen[S] 26 points an hour ago Biggest misconception: That Bitcoin will Topple Governments and the Powerful. Governments will do what they always do -- they will adapt (well, the worst ones will fail, causing misery and suffering; maybe Bitcoin will speed that up a little, and mitigate the misery a little).
pete_dushenski: ok, ima give this qntra news thing another hack.
mircea_popescu: On 15 June 1961, two months before the construction of the Berlin Wall started, First Secretary of the Socialist Unity Party and Staatsrat chairman Walter Ulbricht stated in an international press conference, "Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten!" <<< nobody has any intention to fuck up bitcoin o.O
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9 <<< i like this shit.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> cazalla BingoBoingo derpndesk.com/bitnet-lands-14-5-million-series-funding-rival-coinbase-bitpay/ << and somehow in spite of all these "investement" nobody is buying the shorts pretty much.
assbot: Google launches support for Security Key, a simpler kind of two-factor authentication | The Verge
thickasthieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/21/7027267/google-launches-support-for-security-key-a-simpler-kind-of-two-factor
bounce: othernubs`, asciilifeform: how many actual code (C, C++, etc.) lines exceed 80 characters?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: i think that's all the catching up for now.
pete_dushenski: ;;rate asciilifeform 2 loper, maker, the go-to for infosec.
pete_dushenski: othernubs` twas overdue ;)
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 857.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.56 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s
PinkPosixPXE: Thanks thestringpuller and mircea_popescu :)
undata: eh, I'll get there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did say 'I've yet to make a pile' - suggestive of the usual lament of folks who despair of ever buying their freedom
asciilifeform: 'leave the mines' - live as idle gentleman scholar.
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone leaves the mines. part of why "big government" is so lulzy.
asciilifeform: not one in ten thousand shall leave the mines.
undata: as for me, I keep myself moving hoping to strike at the thing myself someday
mircea_popescu: but it props the economy! :D
decimation: this is a peculiar habit in the us: trying to find a 'technical' solution for a very human problem
mircea_popescu: "we have yet another version of bitcoin without bitcoin, choose us, because this works!!11"
ThickAsThieves: ripple is basically grasping for, Bitcoin for Banks, All the tech, none of the darkwebmunny
decimation: the us has plenty of high iq people, it's just that in general their efforts are misdirected into idiocy
mircea_popescu: who knows, perhaps it has enough criminals that they become a significant minority in the new world, giving it some claim.
mircea_popescu: its only hope now rests with the felons.
mircea_popescu: it's funny that the us lost the "innovation" war back in 2013, and then lost the finance war. no smart kids, no rich kids,
decimation: since usg is a dim and neglectful master, they get away with it
mircea_popescu: already convicted otherwise. better be useful.
mircea_popescu: the usg however, IS inherently incompatible with regulation.
mircea_popescu: try to not do that so you don't ned up like the 62c5186b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.197.24.107 retard.
mircea_popescu: "He then tried to pay with PayPal, and we unsuspended the machines. About 6 hours later the payments were disputed with PayPal as unauthorized and we then suspended again." << wow, carding too ?!
ben_vulpes: ya there we go
assbot: Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses"
undata: mircea_popescu: thanks for the write-up
thestringpuller: 1 btc may go a long way in the future ;)
thestringpuller: no leather bound LOTR style?
decimation: asciilifeform: as in soft leather cover?
asciilifeform: ^ this is not merely a printer's job; i can abide neither haphazardly broken lines nor miniscule print.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: undata da fuck do i care about their taxes.
assbot: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz - Book Review: Empire of the Summer Moon
decimation: http://squid314.livejournal.com/340809.html << "All of the white people who joined Indian tribes loved it and refused to go back to white civilization. All the Indians who joined white civilization hated it and did everything they could to go back to their previous tribal lives."
mircea_popescu: no, the chicks are way better.
asciilifeform: just the same as alpha centauri to me.
mircea_popescu: "Many people spent a big chunk of their lives investing in this dream and it didn't pan out quite as we wish."
decimation: asciilifeform: this is probably one reason why usg policy is generally to crush the poor and happy
asciilifeform: f poor but happy people makes them quite livid.'
asciilifeform: hat spoiled by these surly, scowling, raspy-voiced ogres and their flabby, overmedicated wives with voices like an unoiled hinge. When not aimlessly driving around, they sit in upscale restaurants, toying with their food and gossiping menacingly. They have long forgotten what it means to be happy and carefree, and their labored attempts at feigning enjoyment are painful to watch. You can be sure that the sight o
asciilifeform: 'This time of year, this part of Massachusetts is overrun by stampedes of shiny late-model SUVs with New York and New Jersey license plates. They are driven by various subspecies of the middle-aged well-to-do American Office Ogrethe lawyer, the doctor, the dentist, the banker, the lobbyist and the corporate businessmanthe people who are attempting to run off with all the loot. The majestic scenery is somew
mircea_popescu: clearly in the last place he'd ever be : his own life.
asciilifeform: generally there are no 'hobbyist spies' - they're called 'armchair generals' or something alike.
decimation: well, it's certainly the case that someone needs to have the 'big picture' in mind and issue instructions, I would think
mircea_popescu: just, not a bureaucracy. they need management tho.
decimation: "The Byzantines had good spies, but no intelligence bureaucracy at all. Officials involved in the management of espionage performed these functions along with other duties. They never had a bureaucratic hierarchy of intelligence and never thought to create one. "
asciilifeform: also the book is neato.
assbot: Articles: What the Byzantines Can Teach Us about Our National Security
mircea_popescu: they didn't have enough sense to make a wot.
mircea_popescu: decimation> everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types <<< only in places which are bored of living.
asciilifeform: 'dejanews' was a cesspool of pestilential spamvertising, the early 'google groups' was a breath of fresh air
asciilifeform: they did. briefly.
decimation: I remember when google took over the old usenet archives, thought they would make them useful rather than let them rot
assbot: Loper OS » The Performance of Lisp, or Why Bean Counters Need Bigger Bags of Beans
gabriel_laddel: decimation: It's by far the best I've found on UNIX. I've no LispM experiences and so can only imagine.
decimation: gabriel_laddel: yeah, emacs likes to claim 'self-documenting' but I find the quality of documentation to be pretty poor
assbot: I started to reply at length to the many misstatements in your message. I don - Pastebin.com
gabriel_laddel: wrong link above. apparently I recorded it by hand. I couldn't find the quote I had intended to post by googling, so here it is: http://pastebin.com/AnDwtySY from Emacs.
decimation: yeah them too
decimation: everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types
asciilifeform: ctional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.'
asciilifeform: ll be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because fun
asciilifeform: 'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences wi
asciilifeform: the future of u.s. taxation and criminal justice is probably the model of the 'traffic camera.'
asciilifeform: as if they needed money.
decimation: I strongly suspect that spending more money on nsa is going to be politically untenable for the near future
decimation: either they are really really bad at making chips, or they are really really bad at choosing what to stamp out
asciilifeform: decimation: it's laundry / merit-washing. we simply don't know the details.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that IBM had to pay $1.5 bn to get rid of their chip business?
undata: asciilifeform: regarding the format wars post, I've fantasized about choosing to build for the canvas tag and forgetting the rest of the browser entirely
decimation: exactly. And everyone has been told since they were little that execution is dangerous - which is on c-machines
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's true that the 'vision' of downloading and executing arbitrary code is exactly what the world needs
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems like a good idea on the surface, but in practice 90% of the web will be broken
asciilifeform confesses to being rather uninterested in ugly-as-sin www browsing
decimation: really? I thought one had to download from the crazy lisp package repo
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that the new emacs has a web-browser mode builtin?
decimation: The 'independent reserve' guys claim to use gpg signed email for customer support
asciilifeform: and chances are i'm not the only one.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck knows. i coulda sworn.
decimation: transactions are definitely stored in a Db * object, which appears to be the bdb C++ interface
asciilifeform: (can't speak for other folks)
asciilifeform: if not for the db crapolade, mine would be running on bare iron even now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you remember yourself, when telling the tale of why you didn't port it to msdos
asciilifeform: srsly what is this, anybody can grab the ancient source
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
mircea_popescu: do not even get me started. they're using qt for fucks sake.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I doubt it, that would be crazy << o yeah ? THE WALLET FILE WAS UNENCRYPTED.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history? << yes.
decimation: hashs check the website, fwiw
asciilifeform did not check the signature
decimation: asciilifeform: is that the 'satoshi' original turd?
ben_vulpes: still working through the changelog
ben_vulpes does not actually understand how the infinite layers of the modern v.n. architecture does it's nasty business.
ben_vulpes: was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history?
AdamIR2: I realise now you were talking about Michael Go, and his involvement with MMADX several years ago. I don't know the details of his involvement with that, but it is not connected with Independent Reserve.
AdamIRAway: Adrian Przelozny, Lasanka Perera and myself were the co-founders of Independent Reserve.
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway anyway, i think i get the basic idea. it's not bad or anything. get in the wot so bitcoin people have a direct point of contact and other than that, time will tell.
AdamIRAway: Sorry they haven't been to your liking, I will be happy to leave if it's not welcome.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's the trade gazette, what do you want. ppl gotta be able to answer.
RagnarDanneskjol wonders how long this infomercial for indy reserve will go on (also do they have shiraz blend?).. changes channel
mircea_popescu: ok so basically you and the prezelozny fellow made this thing and reached out for some consultancy work from finance and legal peeps ?
AdamIRAway: Myself, along with Adrian Przelozny are the majority shareholders of Independent Reserve.
mircea_popescu: so this thing has existed for the past 15 months ?!
AdamIRAway: Secondly, we aren't using any software from Admiral Markets or MMDX, not a single line of code, I don't know what systems they've used previously. Our systems have been developed in-house over the past 15 months.
AdamIRAway: First of all, I'm not involved in any waay with MMDX - I hadn't heard of them until you mentioned it.
assbot: Spending the “Help Stamp Out CVS In Your Lifetime” fund
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... I think you have the wrong idea about several points.
mircea_popescu: now my thinking is that you couldn't have spent very long making a dedicated platform, seeing how this just happened this year, so you're either reusing one or the other. i somehow doubt it's admiral's platform, so prolly im guessing mmdx's ?
mircea_popescu: yes. the context is like so : an old time forex broker with a kind-of mlm-y past that used to do metals and everything got together with a guy that had a company that was going to trade debt advertised then suddenly disappeared. they hired a coupla software dudes (you and the Przelozny) and a very clueless legal chick with no practice. in this context, i'm trying to figure out exactly how did said debt trading platform
mircea_popescu: anyway, since michael go doesn't seem on the menu, how did you get Admiral Markets's very own Lasanka Perera ? or what exactly is the arrangement there ?
AdamIRAway: decimation... Pwc will be auditing our finances, and we will make their report available. We are looking to engage them to audit our XBT reserves as well shortly. We aren't currently transparent day-to-day regarding our reserves/balances, but it is obviously something we will be looking to do shortly after our launch.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he'll be happy to pay his grocery bill with them.
BingoBoingo: AdamIRAway: Does you exchange handle shoebox in the mail full of paper money transactions?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, didja know that what actually broke the chicago mob was their ill advised attempt to muscle hollywood into shape ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla if you have a clue how to go through the aussie corp register, it's company code: 34149069910
asciilifeform: of their profits are being used to pay executive salaries this will have to be built at extremely low cost. Deficiencies in the softwrae will enable vast numbers of Americans to download Bambi for free, their ISPs will be forced to rat them out, and they will all get to see Martha's Stewart's cell in West Virginia first hand...' (greenspun. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/03/08/#a7726 )
asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all
mircea_popescu: "MMADX hopes to turn profitable in 2015. According to the presentation, its projected earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization for fiscal 2016 and 2017 are A$23.2 million and A$34.2 million, respectively. At that time, or before, the company could undertake an initial public offering, the presentation states."
AdamIRAway: 7. And again, this only applies to Australians. Because we are an open market exchange (not a brokerage), we are not obligated to charge 10 % GST on transactions, like other brokerages in the region do.
mike_c: PWC, the bitcoin experts! :)
AdamIRAway: 6. I think we are the only Bitcoin exchange in the world that is audited by one of the major auditing firms - PricewaterhouseCoopers
mircea_popescu: seems to have been "going to" in 2012 and then suddenly dissapeared.
AdamIRAway: 5. Australians can make BPAY Deposits (it's an Australian thing), but we convert this to USD at around 2.5 % better than most banks will. International clients can do a SWIFT transfer direct into our USD account. The other Australian exchange trades AUD/XBT, but we chose USD to provide greater liquidity.
AdamIRAway: 4. Most people, particularly Australians (but other nationalities also), can verify themselves online within minutes, usually without having to submit any identification documents. In some cases we can't automatically verify that, we can still verify manually.
AdamIRAway: 3. We have a very rich API. I realise other exchanges have this also, but not so in Australia.
AdamIRAway: 2. Rather than launch something quickly, we developed an enterprise level trading system over a period of twelve months and followed best practice in software development to develop a platform that we believe is secure, robust and stable. My own background as well as that of our CTO is in enterprise software development, and previously worked for many financial institutions in Australia.
AdamIRAway: 1. Rather than rely on a technology/IT focused team (which is my own background), we brought onboard a lot of the executive team and investors with FX Markets, Investment Banking and Finance background, which I think has helped in many of the decisions we have made, and connections that we have made, and gives better overall balance and credibility to what we do.
AdamIRAway: I realise some other exchanges do some of these things, but some of the ways I think that Independent Reserve is ahead of a lot of our competition is...
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway the idea was for specificity.
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... there's a number of things we do right, particularly compared with others in the Australia-Pacific region.
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah, i feel you. but should really be one paragraph at best. just the details.
asciilifeform: 'One Romanian hacker was lured to Boston by Secret Service Special Agent Matt O'Neill, who used the Internet to pose as a woman and invite the cybercriminal on a trip to the USA to enjoy gambling and romance. "He was quite surprised that I was the one meeting him when he arrived," said O'Neill, who worked on the case for months.' << lol, is anyone actually this stupid? even sp4mz0rs?
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway ok, so when you say last mover advantage/having studied what others did worng, what specifically do you mean ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that's an idea, i like to cover them just so i know if/when they close i have something to refer back to if they change their story at that point
mircea_popescu: check out the sudden security everywhere
undata: asciilifeform: they're going to make hacking even more illegal; you'll see!
kakobrekla: AdamIR you dont want to be there.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i imagine these should really be all massed into one weekly post or something. X, Y and Z opened. K L and M closed."
assbot: Independent Reserve - The Bitcoin Market
AdamIR: Thanks for the invitation and introduction cazalla.
mircea_popescu: this was the mechanism of the previous hard fork : .8 miners included tx rejected by the network, moved on a different chain.
asciilifeform: 'heighten the contradictions'
bounce: ``In August 2012 we first announced that we would downrank sites for which we received a large number of valid DMCA notices.'' -- they get flooded with bot-generated "DMCA notices". what do they do to make sure they're "valid"? looking at youtube, not that much.
ben_vulpes: and i never say the decimal
ben_vulpes: no it's totally in the transaction processing rules
mircea_popescu: nono, varnish the web cache
asciilifeform addresses the worms who people his future grave 'eh boys, you'll be lighting benjies with lit benjies'
cazalla: irc.oz.org #ir but i've invited them here
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well what protected the Wasp's bag?
asciilifeform: the 'martian bank' could be a literal martian bank.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat << if the universe favoured defenders of castles, rather than attackers, bitcoin would not be necessary
mircea_popescu: but as is, it's all the same thing, aka news.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know ther's really no diff the site makes. if commentary went to a special page you had to click for then i see it
mircea_popescu: !down TheKingOfCPU
mike_c: nothing wrong with this in a commentary, but I would also like to be able to read the un-slanted version.
mike_c: " the world's largest banks gathered together to hold hands and sing kumbaya in the hope that Bitcoin would be gentle"
mike_c: i don't mean to poop on pete, but his is the one i just read.
mike_c: should the news have as much of a slant as a blog post?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.7.1 << there
mircea_popescu: !up TheKingOfCPU
ben_vulpes: all i have is the github repo
ben_vulpes: does anyone in la serenissima have a copy of the bitcoin repository of june 2012 vintage?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Y Combinator: The American Idol of Venture Capital | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
kakobrekla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/31/y-combinator-the-american-idol-of-venture-capital/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: he ends with 'im sure we will be getting in more details as we get them.'
kakobrekla: but its been like days since the last one
mircea_popescu: all these planes keep crashing in russia ...
xanthyos: <@xanthyos> AND SB SAW MY PENIS, WHICH IS LIKE A GRANDMOTHER TO ME, SINCE MINE DIED
pete_dushenski: yup. no conflating variables there.
pete_dushenski: and i kept the contravex links to a single one ;)
pete_dushenski: lol there's a square bracket one too yknow
kakobrekla: shutthefuckup in this metaphysical conversation
asciilifeform: my father, as a private in soviet army, was trained, like many others, to take out 'silo' type missile installations with ordinary grenade. (how? jam the door by propping small explosive, e.g., grenade, under one rail. tricky bit is to get to the damn thing, across an ocean and under guard...)
asciilifeform: these were never designed to withstand physical attack by men (vs nuke)
asciilifeform: if you're a very special customer, they'll pump in sarin/vx.
assbot: George Michael - Spinning The Wheel - YouTube
assbot: GEORGE MICHAEL Spinning the wheel - YouTube
mircea_popescu: dogs loive music all the time, too.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well if you are mailing shit why get clean clinically presentd shit from the Internet while there's piles of shit Dairy farms are selling which has been stewing all summer.
mircea_popescu: just how the world works.
dr_love: I know a few people who I look up to, who have bad taste in art. I always wondered if there's a correlation of some sort
BingoBoingo: morgan-freeman_: How is your shit better than the shit I can by by the truckload at the farm down the road for a few dollars a ton?
morgan-freeman_: bounce: or they saw it today on producthunt.com
morgan-freeman_: bounce: just my friends :-) but I suppose some of their friends created the website
kakobrekla: letting a room from its owner at that time. According to Blaauw, Kamphuis seized on the image of the bunker as a marketing tool to attract Russian and Chinese clients who wanted a secure place to host their websites. “It’s time to put an end to the fairy tale,” Blaauw says.
kakobrekla: “It was all Photoshop,” says Guido Blaauw, general manager of the bunker’s current tenant, a company called Bunkerinfra Datacenters, which plans to turn the site into a data facility for corporate and government clients. The building was full of junk when Bunkerinfra started renovations two years ago. “It took us three months to clean it out,” Blaauw says. Kamphuis lived there for a few years in the early 2000s, sub
bounce: who're these friends of yours?
morgan-freeman_: bounce: I don't spam! my friends told me to put it on #bitcoin-assets and #bitcoin-otc - I've never seen these two channels so I tried
kakobrekla: e servers; no underground swimming pool. No Sven Olaf Kamphuis either.
kakobrekla: >At the end of a tree-lined driveway in the small Dutch town of Goes sits a hulking gray bunker, a communications center built by the Dutch military in 1955. Its 60 rooms are mostly bare save for a few relics, including a cinderblock-size phone and a giant board that used to record nuclear attack alert levels across Europe. There’s no sign of the high-tech nerve center depicted on the CyberBunker website: no racks of supersecur
morgan-freeman_: well, I don't know but there is only a horse manure as a choice.. once I saw an elephant shit on one site, but no bitcoins
kakobrekla: dr_love myea sort of. one more than others naturally.
dr_love: kakobrekla: ye, I like the way his movies aren't intended as message films. it's more like art, really
kakobrekla: dr_love : from him dead man and the limits of control
kakobrekla: nothing out of the ordinary list. kubrick and such.
gribble: Coffee Talk Table of Contents - Columbia Evangelical Seminary: <http://www.columbiaseminary.org/coffeetalk/>; UI Critical Thinking Handbook: Chapter Seven -- Theory: <http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/crit_think/chapter-seven-1.htm>; Topic tags for the tutor2u Economics blog: <http://www.tutor2u.net/blog/index.php/economics/tags>
dr_love: I'm just starting to discover him, watched the limits of control recently
kakobrekla: certainly one of the fav yes.
dr_love: mircea_popescu: is it off topic if I ask you what do you think of jarmusch, the filmmaker? any fav movies?
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mircea_popescu: ahhh. hey, am i the only strega fan here ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://sarademcutoti.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/424219_347892685293888_904705219_n.jpg
Diablo-D3: no proof it ever happened, they refused to provide it
Diablo-D3: I dont think the scam is still operating