BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: asciilifeform is old enought to come to his Loper position out of actual bitterness rather than n00b kid delusion, but still young enough to hope he has the decades to realize them.
TheNewDeal: should have questioned before revealing the answer
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: what was your guess?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: why
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: ~31
decimation: kakobrekla: where in somalia do you live? the mog?
jurov: kako ist the 0th bestest
Apocalyptic: Orban is expecting the blocksize increase ofc
ben_vulpes: i plead the fith
jurov: 1 is the penultimate number
Apocalyptic: they are not indeed
ben_vulpes: gotta wait for the shartup to come along claiming "zeroth best amazingth" i guess now
ben_vulpes: i don't think these are exclusive
ben_vulpes: "the first year"
jurov: ben_vulpes is weak in the faith
ben_vulpes: what d'you have for us, KayTheFlower?
assbot: U.S. accidentally delivered weapons to the Islamic State by airdrop, militants say - The Washington Post
cazalla: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/21/u-s-accidentally-delivered-weapons-to-the-islamic-state-by-airdrop-militants-allege/
ben_vulpes: !up KayTheFlower
ben_vulpes: puts us in the fifth year of our savior satoshi
jurov: what is the "first coinbase"?
ben_vulpes: can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe".
ben_vulpes doesn't actually know c - the horror!
jurov: In gcc 4.9, the new option -fstack-protector-strong is supported.
ben_vulpes: kinda looks like that's in there already, jurov
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, have you read the HARDENING section in the makefile ? I think there is one from 0.6.2, not sure before
jurov: oh that makes gcc to place a canary on the stack and crash if it's overwritten
ben_vulpes: jurov: what was the stack smashing you were talking about recently?
ben_vulpes: (as fine as the cpp bitcoin turd can be)
jurov: i dont understand. it's not ./bitcoind but something other?
ben_vulpes: i have no idea what's actually *in* the thing.
ben_vulpes: the compiler poops a binary onto disk.
ben_vulpes: no idea what's in the turd.
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, otherwise it seems pretty reasonable
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: But with moar Ikea furniture
TheNewDeal: knc the new bfl?
ben_vulpes: i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen.
kakobrekla: where theres any config?
ben_vulpes: in the makefile?
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i assume theres a default value ?
Apocalyptic: <ben_vulpes> so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable? // that i do not know, not a bash specialist
cazalla: they give each person a different address to send btc for their bro, surprised they didn't pump up the numbers to make it look more popular than it is
ben_vulpes: so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable?
jurov: ben_vulpes: just read the makefile and try whatever sticks. i remmeber having to, too
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1
cazalla: that poker BRO breakout scam has raised 36.33 btc so far, they must be disappointed
Apocalyptic: nukes it straight away (and yes there actually is (or was) 3 levels for that var in the makefile, 1,0 and - )
Apocalyptic: there is not
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: ;;later tell othernubs` just make one big scroll. turing machine needs turing tape!
pete_dushenski: "by breeding draft horses that ran on cultivated, nutrient-dense fodder, [Europe saw] substantially lowered transportation costs. This allowed the value of northwestern Europe's bulk transportation networks to radically increase and made it very nearly as inevitable that that region would be the pioneers of the industrial revolution."
kakobrekla: now only to cut the head off and we are done
kakobrekla: http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png
pete_dushenski: http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png
jurov: and brain stays the same?
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. << bitbet has a broken url
jurov: there is existent software for this, just some business mastermind to monetize it
jurov: as in, you can host spares for other services and vice versa to be switched quickly in case of ddos?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 4830.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s
mircea_popescu: jurov you're missing the key point of it, which is, no government gets a say in what code runs.
jurov: where you can control the whole machine
Apocalyptic: also to nitpick the prices you listed add up to $250n not $300 :)
mircea_popescu: well yea, $0 is the currently going price for that
mircea_popescu: seems a 29% yearly return is not the worst fate.
mircea_popescu: jurov a) how is 0.01 an hour the current going price ? b) motherboard 50bux, cpu 100 bux, memory 50 bux, hdd 50 bux. don't need a monitor.
jurov: Apocalyptic doesn't matter. even if the machine may be beefy, it is unpredictably intermittent
jurov: mircea_popescu: even if second satoshi came and enable doing it safely, would you yourself lend your machines to the cloud for $0.01/hour (currently going price)?
mircea_popescu: i'd have paid money to have the script altered so she gets run over by a bus.
thickasthieves: yknow i felt the same way about jackie brown
thickasthieves: lol alrighty then!
mircea_popescu: that's exactly her job in life, being fucked in the ass for bubblegum and then shot in the stomach and left to bleed in a parking lot.
mircea_popescu: i think the actor's an idiot that can't either act or sing, but that's okay : for one thing, so is timberlake. for the other : that's exactly the part.
thickasthieves: i guess thats the point
thickasthieves: but felt a little wanting at the end
bounce: n!pula then please. no pansy ' shit
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mircea_popescu: it's gonna be the ng'pula from now on.
mircea_popescu: here's an idea, how about we have a poll in fucking uganda about what the us dollar should be called.
Apocalyptic: it does seem they are trying at least
thickasthieves: like the denomination
Apocalyptic: the name that should be given to 10^-8 BTC
bounce: the kind of irony you get from that song
thickasthieves: omg this arguing for bits and ubits conversation makes me wanna line reddites and punch them one by one
bounce: 1615 L Street, NW, Suite 700, washington, dc. there you go.
mircea_popescu: (ie, the lowest form of wit)
mircea_popescu: well they got this fake "irony" which is mostly badly done sarcasm
bounce: ``The Pew Research Center\u2019s Journalism Project, founded in 1997 as the Project for Excellence in Journalism, seeks to assess the state of news and information in a changing society.'' -- that prefab tweet thing brought to you by these guys. party on! excellent!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume people are perfectly capable of transporting urls to social media on their own.
bounce has a bunch of that blocked in hosts, but they keep coming up with new SMRTness
mircea_popescu: tbh one of the things i like most about qntra is that there's no god damned "social media integration"
bounce: I'm like, "anybody click on that?" but [like] is a rather popular button too, no matter where you find the little fucker
mircea_popescu: "i know, let's pay bob from Consultancy DerpAces LLC a million funbux so he can write an AI expert system that'll generate the text our readers would have put out! Save them the trouble!"
mircea_popescu: like, if you were google, right ? wouldn't you be fucking impressed to see the same text from 50 profiles all the damned time ?
bounce: railroading, the new driver of discourse
undata: bounce: regarding repub/dem... anyone with a shred of intelligence has seen through it; however, those two parties have too much control over the election process to change anything
mircea_popescu: im sure it's all the win in social media.
thickasthieves: does U mean something otherwise?
bounce doesn't mention the slashes
mircea_popescu: who puts a dot in the url.
Apocalyptic: I was just merely showing a theoretical model where it does work
mircea_popescu: but not what they actually are.
mircea_popescu: which is how good theories are started, of course
mircea_popescu: cause it doesn't properly account for the world, just for what the theorizer'd like.
mircea_popescu: but it's not really a theory, more like a daydreaming, see ?
Apocalyptic: cause this all is "in theory"
mircea_popescu: you can do the actual math involved, see the probability of your building ending up on the larger surface at the end of it all.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, yeah, I assumed a simple, uniform, vertical translation as the movement
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, quantcast also seems to think thestringpuller is invisible
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites << Male 195 Female 9 shit's funny.
Apocalyptic: bounce, never I have seen the word "fixed"
bounce: that doesn't mean that a big large fixed magnetic field will magically cushion any and all vibration, which I understand was the point
Apocalyptic: afaik that was the topic yes
Apocalyptic: well bounce for the sake of the argument let's take the magnetic field generated by a simple solenoid
Apocalyptic: hence making the object go up or down relatively to the magnetic support, nullifying the eartquake (again all this in theory)
bounce: that means you'd be amplifying the whole thing
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object. // this is true but of no help to the argument, since if you can predict the amplitude/frequency of the "earthquake", you can impose the same variations on the intensity of the current generating your magnetic field
BingoBoingo: Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
bounce: if you dig a little deeper, see if you can't find the list of NSF grant numbers known to originate at the NSA
bounce: ``OMS is a trusted compute platform for developing and deploying secure cloud applications to collect, compute on and share personal data.'' -- apparently in the end it all hinges on "trust us, we have this centralised framework being trustworthy and shit"... again.
bounce: what's this "digital identity framework", other than a couple highfalutin' bullet points?
Adlai: wonderful headline inflation there
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Other oulets reported that already. I remember thickasthieves making fun of them.
assbot: MIT computer scientists can predict the price of Bitcoin | MIT News
bounce: start a bitcoin enterprise or something. then you can report on it yourself.
BingoBoingo: I mean there's the Gavin Q/A, people recycling yesterday's news, and... is anything else happening?
undata: modern neuroscience makes that "you" itself harder to define by the day
undata: talking about what's ethical in the present is hard to generalize
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's no ethical violation in the dead being dead, no matter how they got to be there, nor in the raped to be dripping cum, nor in any other thing that is. they're fine as they are ; being trumps fretting.
mircea_popescu: it automatically paints one as an intellectual failure of the english speaking school of idiocy.
undata: I was proceeding from the point about war
mircea_popescu: and confusing "was it ethical for this man to be kiled at he point in the past when he was" with "is it" is so fuckin dumb
undata: it's interesting that one could ask himself whether it's ethical to establish the conditions necessary for ethical reasoning, but only under the necessary conditions...
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> thestringpuller: where are you finding those dumps? I ended up writing a scraper... << twas in the chan like n times, but : bitcoin-otc.com/otc/
gribble: Dr. Dre - Keep Their Heads Ringin' - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbnf9qCmhI>; Why Figure Skaters Don't Seem Dizzy After Spinning: <http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/figure-skaters-dont-seem-dizzy-spinning/>; THE READY SET LYRICS - Spinnin' - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/readyset/spinnin.html>
thestringpuller: ;;google keep their heads spinnin
mircea_popescu: but it's nonsense. who the fuck thinks about "the future" lol. people in a warzone think about cunt, and maybe good cognac.
bounce: if everybody lives to, say, 30, then dies without fail, it's a fact of life
mircea_popescu: cuz he got to see his own death on average a lot closer than the average yurpean
mircea_popescu: that's why the classical, 19th century murican has the reputation of being uncouth and direct and undecourous in europe
mircea_popescu: if that is reduced significantly, the need for some forms goes away.
mircea_popescu: warzones are "unhinging" because the complexity of "society" is a function of the mean distance between individual and his own death
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ << this is incidentally great reading on the topic, albeit in languages.
mircea_popescu: their logic fails all the god damned time, mostly because it's not logic, self-supported, it's dreamweaving
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> imagine living in a world where logic can fail <<< that's life in a "social sciences" universe.
bounce: so there's no ethics to archimedes' mirrors?
mircea_popescu: makes no difference "what use is the sun to us", that's an ontological point not an ethical one.
bounce: "zomg rude!" -- some new guy with no clue of the local rules. << appears to be an american thing?
mircea_popescu: bounce it's irrelevant what it "does" at the level where ip is defined, see ?
mircea_popescu: misuse the words.
mircea_popescu: just, the fucktards that write about things they don;'t understand, when they're not busy husslking pete in his comment section,
Adlai: well there is a missing object. malice and benevolence don't exist in a vacuum, they have to be directed at something
chetty: isnt the difference between malicious and benevolent and mattr of viewpoint?
mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't need them "to function", because it functioning is not a layer 7 thing.
bounce: I ment that layer 7 still needs the lower layers to function, it doesn't float in air
bounce: well, try this on first: "tcp/ip" generally refers to the whole stack. supposing you really ment IP (layer 3, conventionally), then "app aware" (with app: layer 7) would be a bit of a layer violation.
mircea_popescu: you're not wrong or right, we're not there yet. just waiting for bounce to pick a time.
mircea_popescu: othernubs` o, you want fist in skull too ?
othernubs`: depends how far away the tower is
mircea_popescu: what's the time ?
mircea_popescu: bounce no, inasmuch as fist though your skull moves the matter of your skull around in one way, but MEANS in a number of different arbitrary ways
mircea_popescu: othernubs` i tell you, i love my gold ink cards.
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, it is begging the question.
mircea_popescu: you know, like obama, the us ally, was the first and perhaps the thickest cock to rape washington.
mircea_popescu: visited the man's grave, too. he was the first and the thickest cock to rape byzantium.
othernubs`: speaking of unobtainium, these metallic inks are getting us a bunch of jobs lately. offset printers can suck it
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xanthyos: also the bouncing of the building would put equal force on the ground and magnetically try to push away the ground structure even more
xanthyos: oh if the ground level changes that much there's no way a magnetic field could hold it consistently
pete_dushenski: lol these contravex commenters are getting angrier and angrier: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-3605
asciilifeform: say ground moves 20cm down and then 30cm back up, earthquake. or fell into a ditch. cancel that.
xanthyos: of course, a hacker could then simulate an earthquake on that building to the same extent of magnitude that the smartmagnets were designed to resist against
xanthyos: unless they were "smartmagnets" that could generate the inverse wave to the vibration to cancel it out in the same way that some car radios use microphones to cancel out road noise
asciilifeform: they are selling 'hope, chance,' chope, hange.
Apocalyptic: "and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object." that's assuming a magnetic field of constant power, right ?
xanthyos: that propagated vibration would be less than the vibration the building would experience without the field gap between it and the ground magnets
asciilifeform: nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, to be fair it's not the newton's law that is neglected here, but the fact that you won't get a magnetic field even close to be powerfull enough to support that weight
xanthyos: well there would have to be magnets in the ground to create the field for the building to be repulsed from in the event of an earthquake
asciilifeform: the leper's bell of retarded sc4mz0rz - a flagrant and malignant disregard for elementary physics
asciilifeform: 'theoretically raise a building off of its foundation during an earthquake, essentially rendering the natural disaster's tremors harmless' << newton's laws crying from neglect
Adlai will ask gavi what he thinks of the hardfork
mircea_popescu: Adlai there's not that much in a name.
Adlai hasn't figured out yet whether any of what happens on btcjam is not btcscam
mircea_popescu: no, he prolly realised that he doesn't need it or want to use it and it'll just gather dust
othernubs`: altho the clear panel is way cooler in person
othernubs`: pictures sort-of do them justice
xanthyos: but thanks for the offer
xanthyos: the lowest
mircea_popescu: it'd almost work as a parody of the redditard generation, except spacey is playing it full straight.
othernubs`: they're neat, i'll sell ya one
xanthyos: and it has a picture of the queen on it, so that's worth something.
xanthyos: apparently canada is adding plastic content to its fiat paper to make it less rippable. the fiat may not be backed, but reinforced paper will fool the masses
mircea_popescu: which in the grand scheme of things isn't really much at all. they've already fucked the goat in the public market long ago
Adlai: it'd be a little funny if all the devs agreed to the hardfork, got a working patch together, then went miner by miner and couldn't get a single one to agree to switch
kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol if you can put them in order i can include them online (before the log starts)
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision. // btw that was pretty impressive
othernubs`: ah, i forgot you can disable the backlight on this thing
mircea_popescu: their failure was signalled to them within minutes, and they obeyed that signal in an hour.
diametric: maybe i'm mistaken but doesn't the white paper basically state a hard fork will be required in the future to address scalability?
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision.
mircea_popescu: because money doesn't think all that much of code monkeys. and definitely isn't going to start taking their ideas of how to manage things seriously.
mircea_popescu: most bitcoin reads mp way before it remembers who the fuck this gavin schmuck is.
mircea_popescu: Adlai the "most people" argument is pretty much nil.
assbot: gavinandresen comments on I'm Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation. Ask me anything!
Adlai: gavin on the hardfork: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jw5pm/im_gavin_andresen_chief_scientist_at_the_bitcoin/clfns8j?context=3
RagnarDanneskjol: kakobrekla - sorry nevermind -apparently Azelphur has everything logged since the beginning of time. I can throw it up somewhere for whoevers wants it
chetty: You've long been a proponent of the "Bitcoin is an experiment" line of thinking. While that is technically true, so is "Gravity is just a theory". What needs to happen for you to switch from "Bitcoin is an experiment" to "Bitcoin is established"?
Adlai: miners are people too, and people don't always make the best decisions. even if they act rationally, they might not be aware of all the information about an issue.
mats_cd03: the only opinion that matters is that of miners.
Adlai: as much as the timecube's four days revolve around the WoT, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who have heard about the hardfork proposal haven't heard any competing argument against it
bounce: with enough hashrate on 0.6 (or whichever, maintained etc.) and staying there, hardforks are bound to fizzle. could try and talk to large pool operators.
Adlai: such a drastic change would definitely cast this issue (and others) into the limelight, until now it's been confined to a few IRC channels and blog posts
mircea_popescu: i'm all for it, the level of either cluelessness or desperation such a move entails is promising.
Adlai: "some people just wanna see the world burn" ^_^
mircea_popescu: this is sort-of like wanting to see what happens if/when the soviets finally decide to cross fulda ?
Adlai is quite curious to see what happens if/when changes such as a the blocksize hardfork get pushed to the reference implementation
kakobrekla: anyway RagnarDanneskjol what do you want in the zip? csv? sql? a puddle? daily files?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform saves the day
mircea_popescu: so "governments" will prevail, as fucking if there can even be such a thing as a government other than bitcoin ; and bitcoin gotta hide its misshapen form in the dark.
ben_vulpes: it'd be neat if he'd differentiate between Bitcoin the reference implementation which is bug-ridden and shitty, and Bitcoin the protocol which doesn't exist.
bounce: ``I'd rather not speculate in an open forum about the best ways to screw with Bitcoin.'' (Perish_In_a_Fire) -- aww.