mircea_popescu: then .5.3
mircea_popescu: pick among these according to which bias (early, late) you want
mircea_popescu: othernubs` you'll never get there. but anyway : 0.6.3 most recent acceptable ; 0.5.3 i guess, earliest acceptable.
asciilifeform: othernubs`: picture if you were sending the damn thing back in time, to blaise p. for implementation on a gigantic Pascaline, or herr babbage, etc
othernubs`: Apocalyptic, i'm attempting to guide the conversation towards stating what is and isn't desired in the codebase
Apocalyptic: what's the issue with 0.5.3 ?
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job <<< nubsy has antennae, and they're tuned for danger!
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3 << ok, so 5.4
othernubs`: let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce
othernubs`: that's the question
asciilifeform: that was the whole enigma
asciilifeform owns one of these, treats it as a mildly retarded linux box with defective wm
ben_vulpes: another reason this damn platform's doomed
asciilifeform: picture it's being sent to the past, for your ascension to godhood
asciilifeform: next we become great sculptors. we buy a mountain of marble, and decide what's in there that we don't want.
mod6: it's in the pastes.
othernubs`: so we'll split the difference between 0.5.3 and 0.6.3, go with 0.5.8
mod6: ben_vulpes: so the main issue was the deps so far. i went to the deb site and it gave me some to add to the sources.list, but didn't seem to help. i can try something different tomorrow if you have suggestions.
ben_vulpes: but when you're taught that the right solution to all problems is to do it by hand, with the tools handed one by authority, unlearning that is hard
ben_vulpes: well, consider all the things i've been unlearning
asciilifeform: even winblows user could handily pop the dos shell and 'bitcoind sendtoaddress .....'
asciilifeform: i never really grasped what the gui was for
ben_vulpes: i still depend on the qt client. need to come up with a workflow that works for the 0.5.3 client.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: let's put another way, lowest version you would be willing to use for daily life.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: although let's be clear, i was just browsing the release notes. if there were breaking changes merged in since then, this'd be a lulzy way to surface them.
asciilifeform: 1.20 dollars a day << ehehehe - no. not comparable figure with usa 1.20/diem. ro didn't have to pay rent, had no ruinous tax, cheap non-synthetic food even in the depths of collapse
ben_vulpes: <othernubs`> ben_vulpes, speaketh << nothing strictly necessary post 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: this is no figure of speech either. in 1992ish, plenty of romanians working for the state made ~1.20 dollars a day
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decimation: lol. yeah according to idiowiki they are about #8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
mircea_popescu: see, these things happen but don't last.
decimation: for awhile they were under Portugal
decimation: yeah it was the sane move. russia has a sad economy but enormous natural reserves, they should price their money like kuwait
mircea_popescu: which is actually the major bargaining chip with the eu, not stupid produce import bans
mircea_popescu: this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse.
mircea_popescu: trade deal (that circumvents the US dollar). In comparison, the US is a dead man walking: unless it can continue rolling over trillions of dollars in short-term debt every month at record-low interest rates, it won't be able to pay the interest on its debt or its bills.
mircea_popescu: Financially, Russia's position is so solid that even the three Western credit ratings agencies don't have the gall to downgrade Russia's rating, sanctions notwithstanding. This is a country that is aggressively paying down its foreign debt, is running a record-high budget surplus, has a positive balance of payments, is piling up physical gold reserves, and not a month goes by that it doesn't sign a major international
decimation: to paraphrase mr. yarvin, every asset must pass through the bitcoin-hole
mircea_popescu: no, the solution is purely monetary.
decimation: well, I guess the law of bankruptcy handed down from the ancients is that debt is senior to equity
asciilifeform: and has contacts there.
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. <<< happened a month earlier as well, no one bitched http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/
asciilifeform: the folks in his wot - do.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't have the specific knowledge ot discern.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything can be obtained from "the internet". obviously. knowing what to obtain however...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i have about the same amount of use for the information as a chimp does for pentium
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone want to bet on whether the stock or the bond market will take it in the ass ? thatr's the major debate in washnington atm. stocks are basically the young libtards, bonds the old ones.
mod6: perhaps the script should throw a line in /etc/apt/sources.list
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can tell me anything you wish, but he IS a kgb puppet. there's just no way he could have figured this one on his own.
mircea_popescu: the Federal Reserve is fresh out of magic bullets and faces a choice between crashing the stock market and crashing the bond market. << this is exactly correct by the way.
decimation: so did most of the captured germans
mircea_popescu: t lots of conventional forces right in the heart of Europe)."
mircea_popescu: "For example, it is known that after the end of World War II America's military planners were thinking of launching a nuclear strike against the USSR, and the only thing that held them back was the fact that they didn't have enough bombs, meaning that Russia would have taken over all of Europe before the effects of the nuclear strikes could have deterred them from doing so (Russia had no nuclear weapons at the time, bu
asciilifeform: 'Full fathom five thy father lies; of his bones are coral made; those are pearls that were his eyes...'
asciilifeform: this is precisely what i mean when i say that one thing or another costs $maxint
mircea_popescu: well, there's the castle, and the rock upon which it rests, and the province in which the rock lies...
mircea_popescu: like trying to evaluate the weight of the stone around a man's neck who's chained to the castle wall.
mircea_popescu: more importantly : if the various cds, swaps and futures unwind, that's a notional .5 to 100 quadrillion dollars gone
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mircea_popescu: this for a number of reasons, chief among which : the reported figures doesn't and hasn't for decades included all sorts of figures.
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, there's practically infinity outstanding.
mircea_popescu: dude, trust the enemy to give true to life portraits, it always works.
undata: and they have a fiddly definition of what counts as debt
mircea_popescu: "You'd think that Obama has already overplayed his hand, and should behave accordingly. His popularity at home is roughly the inverse of Putin's, which is to say, Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much. He can't get anything at all done, no matter how pointless or futile, and his efforts to date, at home and abroad, have been pretty much a disaster. So what does this social worker turned national masco
decimation: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ depending on how you count there are about $100-$250 trillion in outstanding liabilities
mircea_popescu: yeah, 900bn is the us budget shortfall
mircea_popescu: or was 900 the fiscal deficit
decimation: now the us runs a net trade deficit of >500$bn per year
mircea_popescu: yes, 1980 was before "everyone goes to college" and before "we'll outsource" and before all the rest of the crap.
mircea_popescu: so then.
decimation: they were shit, plastic gimmicks
decimation: but in 1980 usg was a net trade creditor to the world
decimation: the problem is that it kinda worked for the backwater Caribbean drug runners it was intended to hurt
asciilifeform: correct side, conventionally, is the one with the chixxors & coke, rather than fleas and reddit
decimation: somehow ever since the late 70's and early 80's when the aml stuff was made law, usg has gotten used to the idea that it can just make transacting money illegal as it wills
mircea_popescu: there is no correct side of tinted glass.
asciilifeform: organisms with simple nervous systems, they are; while on the correct side of the tinted glass, will continue to think they are 'someone.'
mircea_popescu: just, you know, us bureaucrats do not manage to comprehend they're nobody and need to stfu when actual people are talking.
mircea_popescu: i can now leisurely transfer moneyz from washington to tehran, just hop it off swift into russwift via the national network in any of two dozen different sattelite states.
asciilifeform: anyone care to see the turdlets in?
mircea_popescu: decimation the us. it literally killed aml bs.
mircea_popescu: this, by the way, is factual, and incalculably fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: There were even some threats to cut Russia off from the SWIFT system, which would have made it quite difficult to transfer funds between Russia and the West, but what these threats did instead was to give Russia the impetus to introduce its own RUSSWIFT system, which will include even Iran, neutralizing future American efforts at imposing financial restrictions.
mircea_popescu: seems the way current bureaucracies are interpreting the "ideas are soldiers" thing is very pedestrian seo : "narratives are soldiers"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform were you looking for "The American behavior throughout this succession of defeats has been remarkably consistent, with the constant element being their flat refusal to deal with reality in any way, shape or form." ? :D
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mircea_popescu: guy made some allegations of theft, fraud and embezzelment, died in custody without having been charged, a week before the one year (seriously ?!?!?!) term he could be held without trial.
asciilifeform: the public face of what happened
mircea_popescu: seriously, that's what happened there ? o.O
mircea_popescu: viduals who were labeled as human rights violators. Russian legislators responded with the Dima Yakovlev Bill, named after a Russian orphan adopted by Americans who killed him by leaving him in a locked car for nine hours. This bill banned American orphan-killing fiends from adopting any more Russian orphans. It all amounted to a silly bit of melodrama."
mircea_popescu: "At that time the stakes weren't very high yet. There was much noise around a fellow named Magnitsky, a corporate lawyer-crook who got caught and died in pretrial custody. He had been holding items for some bigger Western crooks, who were, of course, never apprehended. The Americans chose to treat this as a human rights violation and responded with the so-called Magnitsky Act which sanctioned certain Russian indi
mircea_popescu: nobody really knew if they're any good or not.
mircea_popescu: it was crucial originally, to ensure against an at the time unknown nsa.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't terribly useful by then.
asciilifeform: wasn't irc sync phased out then ?
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure he was here in the first days.
TheNewDeal: RagnarDanneskjol how long back do these Azelphur logs go?
mod6: so maybe that version should be bumped up in there, unless I'm missing something.
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othernubs`: 0.6.3 seems to be the winner
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine. << Wait, then what was the purpose again?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ?
othernubs`: so before i fully dive in here, is it worth asking what's the most recent acceptable version?
othernubs`: TheNewDeal, how do you think ive had +v all day ;D
Apocalyptic: btw mircea, just had a chance to read the usgavin trilema piece, it's stunning
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=othernubs%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=othernubs%60 | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014
othernubs`: ;;gettrust nubbins` othernubs`
asciilifeform: where'd they put nubbins` ?
mircea_popescu: what happened there again ?
gribble: Nick 'othernubs`', with hostmask 'othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'othernubs`', with GPG key id F961A901022D2AFB, key fingerprint 66839483B86EB0955618740DF961A901022D2AFB, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: ;;ident othernubs`
mircea_popescu: save it for the 2nd edition.
othernubs`: are there any useful BIPs we're missing out on?
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, The20YearIRCloud any renters yet ?
asciilifeform: who else, i wonder, wishes for one of these
othernubs`: yep, the forums would eat this book
mircea_popescu: also, nubs had decent success with the posters iirc
Apocalyptic: othernubs`, nevermind, was gonna compare to the last commit on 0.6.2 which somehow showed me to be in 2011
Apocalyptic: <othernubs`> if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3 // funny thing is, last commit on 0.6.3 is Jun 19, 2012
mircea_popescu: The True Book of Bitcoin
othernubs`: compact disc took most of the basic colors
othernubs`: the blurple book
mircea_popescu: The Pink-Violet Book of Bitcoin ?
assbot: 1 results for 'triple power over the forces of hell' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=triple+power+over+the+forces+of+hell
asciilifeform: !s triple power over the forces of hell
othernubs`: the ____ book
mircea_popescu: you know, just like, "what % of gas station are selling the new gas ?" "dunno, but what % of cars use it ?"
decimation: over time the distros will be convinced
mircea_popescu: but the notion that .9 is "bitcoin" is laughable on its face.
mircea_popescu: usgavin can make usbitcoin, or they can have gavin & mike's extra special bitcoin-identical flavouring "i can't believe it's not blockchain"
mircea_popescu: decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated << no. the name is bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes? << last hard fork was to .4, so technically anything. but i'd say a .6 something'd be the best choice.
mircea_popescu: after all, if usgavin wants a fork, he can have a fork, what's the big deal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pipe << popular in usa in certain circles, in the '70s, i'm told
mircea_popescu: namely, eulora, btc, there';s a lot of work to do, and it's paid.
asciilifeform: othernubs`: see ubiquitous 'lions book' that we're imitating: http://v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf
othernubs`: all the news that's fit to print and none that's not
mircea_popescu: othernubs` well ?
mircea_popescu: I READ THE LOG!!!
mircea_popescu: othernubs` sure, how's that go ?
othernubs`: if anyone's interested in being immortalized in the thank-yous, let me know
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, it's the hustling of hussies.
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mircea_popescu: gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pipe%20cleaning | The act of having sexual intercourse with a woman while she is having her period with the intention to help her "clean her pipe". <<< actually, there's a special cannula procedure for this
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Well if you get this set up I may eventually want a copy.
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, almost sounds like you're footing the bill :)
mircea_popescu: omfg hussling the nubbin!
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Well.. you gotta think centuries instead of decades
joecool: othernubs`: could you do a building wrap with it?
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Just think of all of that longetivity though...
mircea_popescu: jesus the things hard drugs do to people.
mircea_popescu: lol @the silbert thing and generally bitpay's derpage. seriously, they think they're going to compete with us as a closed source usg-agent ?
mod6: the only fork should be rolling back to pre-powerranger derpitude. too bad about atc tho.
mircea_popescu: the future's not ours to tell...
decimation: it also has nice smith-sewn double binding with soft leather
mod6: ben_vulpes: in the sense that "this looks like it works" :}
mircea_popescu: othernubs` i was also briefly in publishing.
ben_vulpes: mod6: lol "functional" as in the programming style or "functional" in that "kinda sorta mebbe works"
mircea_popescu: weird world, the us.
mircea_popescu: and, exactly like described in the quoted thing, idiots and imbeciles on reddit will congratulate him for "having saved" bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the funny thign is that it'll fail, and he'll still bitch and pretend like he's involved in bitcoin
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Ah
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assbot: USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mod6: i can't believe that pinwheel said he was still gonna hard-fork in the AMA (thx for readers digest qntra) even after this: http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/ | I suspect that he reads trilema too. lollerskates.
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform the paper i've got in mind is almost precisely double the weight of standard white bond paper, acid-free, archival quality, semi-gloss finish, 98 brightness
decimation: my good bible is printed on very thin but weirdly strong paper. thin paper is nice, in the sense that it tends to lie flat
TheNewDeal: I am catching up the logs, which is why I brought it up
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well it;s in the log, but anyway, guy goes "we're doing x with a b c and d". since b worked on x' 5 years ago and x' went nowhere after initial enthusiasm, a reasonable probing.
TheNewDeal: Gotcha, was curious why the connection was established
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform? << i have no idea. he said no. one of the guys he lists as associates was involved with it.
othernubs`: you have any other paper of known make to compare it to?
ben_vulpes: pull the latest from cascadianhacker.com if you'd be so kind
joecool: i have a copy of that around, is there a way to test?
mod6: ben_vulpes: <+mod6> any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
asciilifeform: just the pieces necessary for function.
asciilifeform: ideally this should be precisely the kind of paper found in the 1st edition of kernighan & ritchie's 'c'.
mod6: any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: What are your printing specs on this looking like?
decimation: lol syntax highlight the m4
othernubs`: asciilifeform, you want the JSON code or no? i'd deem it crufty unless you particularly want it
asciilifeform doesn't buy even half of mr. bush & co.'s fairy tale either.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well in the 80's Bin Laden was a CIA asset
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decimation: don't tell me orlov is a 'truther'
decimation: " The Americans invaded Afghanistan because the Taleban would not relinquish Osama Bin Laden (who was a CIA operative) unless Americans produced evidence implicating him in 9/11—which did not exist. " lol orlov
ben_vulpes: nail that sticks up gets smacked down, as the nips say
BingoBoingo: othernubs`> decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats << Pool ops rarely run "stock" parts
BingoBoingo: <othernubs`> 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer << Occasional 0.8.x node may be considered polite in allowing certain SPV clients connectivity.
decimation: nothing other than voluntary disclosure I guess
TheNewDeal: like the bitfunder ukyo?
mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for putting that script together.
decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated
decimation: I like how the old releases are marked 'obsolete'
asciilifeform: i'd sorta like all the gui-isms snipped
othernubs`: there's instructions for both
asciilifeform never once in his life used the qt ver
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: qt not necessary to interact with majority of nodes
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to share your 0.6 patch set for the paper codex?
BingoBoingo: patches to the bdb conf because... Hearn sucks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The earliest is going to probably be 0.4 or late 0.3.x series
othernubs`: asciilifeform, looks like /src/qt has been there since late september 2011
decimation: that's a good question, and should be answerable. Don't the clients identify with a string?
asciilifeform doesn't recall seeing it, possibly he never bothered publishing
decimation: does he? is there a repo?
kakobrekla: if its for masturbation only, then prolly 0.1 is a better call
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe I recall wrong but I think the switch from wx widgets to Qt happened ~0.3.X-ish
asciilifeform: when exactly did the worthwhile patches end...
othernubs`: asciilifeform, there's a /src/qt/ anyway
othernubs`: is there an easy way you can tag which files you'd like?
BingoBoingo: Wait, there's two nubs nao?
asciilifeform: othernubs`: wait 0.6 is qt already
mircea_popescu: kay the flower ?!
asciilifeform: othernubs`: out
jurov: hi othernubs`
ben_vulpes: guessing after the reveal
BingoBoingo: I saw them in your comments