TheNewDeal: securing finances is just part of the mo?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i dun thyink so. you see, it's by doing shit.
mircea_popescu: jurov well, ideally people on death's door aren't in the chair position.
mircea_popescu: jurov none of that, i'm thinking more of, have two co-chairs, then when one wants to go out they vote unanimously to add a third, and after 6 months the retiring one can leave.
mircea_popescu: draft a charter, then it gets gpg signed and that's it ? i'd donate
mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes would you two be interested in cochairing an ACTUAL bitcoin foundation ? dedicated to ~actually~ maintaining the bitcoin core etc ?
jurov: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2595277 << putin already saving oil companies from pension funds? happens rather quickly
mod6: I'll paste the entire thing, just a sec.
mod6: there was 2 very minor changes to your sed command in there that PinkPosixPXE helped me with. needs to be: sed -i 's/USE_UPNP:=0/USE_UPNP=/1'
mircea_popescu: i am serious, there's just no way to run a web server w/o it.
mircea_popescu: bounce nah, qntra is the only thing on quantcast.
bounce: though that'd be the wrong thing to compare with. the other 'bitcoin'-news services would be better to compare with
bounce: you got the same numbers but for log.bitcoin-assets.com, just for comparison?
bounce: mind the "us" part. that's only some large fraction of 310M people. there's at least as many people online in china, and europe again, and so on.
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo : didja see quantcast's "affinity index" ? wired.com 32.7x reddit.com 26.2x zerohedge.com 26.1x theverge.com 20.8x wsj.com 19.3x. made to own, that thing.
bounce: them 'merkins really can't keep their fingers out of anything and they manage to fsck up everywhere. not a new observation, but it hasn't ceased to be painfully true either.
mircea_popescu: "339,192 US rank. This site reaches over 858 monthly people" << holy shit, it's not fucking possible that 1k people reading you on a monthly basis puts you in the top 300k sites on the internets.
bounce: dunno what happened. any user-agent headers in the original?
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a good filter for the killfile.
mircea_popescu: o so basically the idea is, client autodecrypted and then appended it to email history as per usual ?
bounce: stupid s/w and clueless user. it's what you get when most of the userbase is clueless: the writers of mailclients will also be clueless.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: anthony di iorio, very memorably (because i've never seen this before), replied to my gpg-gram... in plaintext. and it included my original email. in plaintext. <<< ahahahh.this is like, what, built from the ground up with derpidity in mind ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: On a side note, I've noticed Roger Ver's bitcoinstore is not...around anymore? << well it wasn't really making all that much.
mircea_popescu: that was the first of since then numerous times putin shoved his cock in obama's butt.
bounce: not that that wouldn't have happened a bit later anyway, with the sharia-huggers
bounce: so why is this assad character so completely reviled, beyond resisting the arab spring thing?
bounce: they're police wannabe soldiers, not actual combat vets
mircea_popescu: seriously, that's not how it's done. these little bitches would get massacred if anyone seriously went at them.
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/gF4DefU.jpg << the best part is where it says "pantalla tactil" and "together we work for you"
mircea_popescu: othernubs` sounds legit.
othernubs`: maybe i should submit a bitbet about the war measures act being enabled again
bounce: not everybody has the guts to walk in rod straight with a campaign hat instead of a helmet and going "I love the smell of napalm in the morning", you know.
mircea_popescu: i suppose asking the brave&bold to crawl for two hundred yards is way too much huh.
bounce: dunno. police pretending to be militaree is all the rage now. has been for a while.
mircea_popescu: dude these schmucks are not trained or something ?
othernubs`: first shot took down a canadian soldier at the nat'l war memorial
mircea_popescu: sooo.... why military bases then ?
mircea_popescu: all they got is "How to Be a Devils Fan In Ottawa -- 2014-15 Edition" and "Tune in TONIGHT for "MAKERS: Women in War""
mircea_popescu: othernubs` https://www.google.com/search?q=bridges+between+ottawa+and+gatineau+all+shut+down&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=nws << totally.
mircea_popescu: and in general, when little bitches are asking for a thrashing, it's a good idea to give them a thrasing.
mike_c: isn't somebody making a good alternative implementation? why take 0.5.3 as the b-a client.
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> all canadian forces bases closed to public access nationwide << russians finally invading ?
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> so how long are we gonna diddle around here before one of us forks 0.5.3 and starts selectively patching? << not long.
mod6: so keep in mind that a lot of these packages got pulled successfully the first time. this is the second running after i bumped up the scrollback limit on the term:
bounce: the usg unfunded liabilities problem is mainly pensions, no?
mike_c: polish the turd?
bounce: probably would need to take the full tree and look at the diffs, backport the useful stuff and leave the cruft
bounce: a list of CVEs and other security problems in bitcoin would be useful
mats_cd03: time for canada to become part of the caliphate
ben_vulpes: it initially ended with :=0/d so as to rip the relevant line out. that'll still work.
mats_cd03: you made isis mad othernubs`
mod6: looks like there might be an issue with that sed command tho
mod6: so the debian source list generator thingy didn't put it in there that i need lines that tell me to go to just "squeeze" itself, not just "squeeze-updates" or w/e. will paste.
mod6: in other news... i think i fixed my deps problem.
Apocalyptic: wait they close bridges because of that ?
Apocalyptic: it may be handy to generate a private key outside of the bitcoind mecanism
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> othernubs`: i'm not even sold on importprivkey << how would you do this otherwise?
ben_vulpes: othernubs`: i'm not even sold on importprivkey
othernubs`: you suggest importing most of the additions in 0.6.0, but 0.6.1-0.6.3 are all just bugfixes
othernubs`: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html#fnr.20 << thanks for this write up, this would def. need to be patched in. <<< agreed, great writeup, altho evidence seems to point to 0.6.3 being the right choice
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mod6: and the apt-get lines in the start of the script failed because the sources.list didn't have the things it's looking for. so I manually added some more that I got from the deb source list thingy, but that didn't seem to help much. it's in the pastes, check the log.
mod6: created a vm of deb 6.0.10 or w/e and then just tried to run it directly without doing anything else.
ben_vulpes: at this point i'm running the node stock to see what happens
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: semantics indeed, but not the reddit-style attempted-argument-ender kind. rather the important kind that conveys significance.
mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me.
mod6: I might not be the right person to test this after all. *shrug*
Apocalyptic: *the next step
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, I guess the next would be to see if actually all the code changes reflect precisely what's been announced in the changelog, to ensure there is no stuff left out, intentionally or not
mod6: when testing this, i don't wanna to "hack" a bunch of stuff together. i'd like to do it in a linear manner so seeing what was required is simple. because I'm sure that I can just start pulling down packages on my own and get it to work. just was trying to keep it simple.
mod6: ben_vulpes: naw, gave up after the last paste I posted. i'd like to go further here, but need more time, and to somehow find the right source to add to sources.list so I can pull in the requirements correctly.
jurov: so.. where is the evil in 0.9?
asciilifeform: the best kind.
asciilifeform: illustrate in the margins.
othernubs`: actually on the fence about illustrating the entire thing, with a slight lean towards 'yes'
othernubs` notices that page 1 of the bookof bitcoin will be the entire contents of a file named COPYING
asciilifeform reads the actual ad and notices it's simply generic derp, nothing to do with operating systems in the conventional sense of the word
othernubs`: y'know, aside from the inevitble
othernubs`: i thought medium was the sort of site where literally anyone can publish?
bounce: wants to change the world. picks sucky venue to promote broken website. makes a splash, it does.
bounce: though that osfund.co website manages to fuck up harder. doesn't even render any content here, just the menu bar.
bounce: medium.com is such a craphole. like wired, but pessimised for the tablet.
jurov: https://medium.com/the-os-fund/rewrite-the-os-68fb43ddc95f dem movers and shakers and twerkers
othernubs`: cazalla:thestringpuller: "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock! <<< fkn degrassi, to this day i remember claude offing himself in the toilets, i think i was like 10 or 12 and what is this <<< my sides / my youth
bounce: I'd do exactly what I said I wanted the politicians to do: let the would-be goers go, at the price of persona non grata status.
davout: no, i mean the would-be goers
davout: what are you gonna do? cage them?
bounce: I don't care if maladjusted angry youths want to run away and make trouble in a war zone. I do care if they come back, recruit some more kids (to do the same), cause trouble, shoot some jews, what have you.
davout: meh, let them
bounce: because the fucks come back all shell shocked and violent
bounce: announce that loud and clear and everybody knows what the score is. "if you want to go there, you're dead to us."
bounce wishes the politicians would show some spine here. take their local passport, wave goodbye, declare them europe-wide persona non grata for all eternity. problem solved.
davout: it's because the news is full of teens leaving france to go to syria for djihad and whatnot
jurov: dunno what was then. maybe cia/kgb planted me false memories and whatnot
bounce: jurov: like this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/10/17/france_anti_terror_law_war_vs_internet/
jurov: chetty go on. they're listening
jurov: i don't know why i did not do more of it myself. only once tried SMB packed of death against neighbor's win machine flooding the ether with all kinds of windoze packets
jurov: heh all is ok then
jurov: davout any news? you said there's some stupid french law pending
cazalla: thestringpuller: "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock! <<< fkn degrassi, to this day i remember claude offing himself in the toilets, i think i was like 10 or 12 and what is this
bounce: AIUI they potted up their north sea gas proceeds, instead of giving it all away to the unwashed masses. gives them a bit of playroom.
mircea_popescu: they let norway split...
bounce: am I supposed to pity the fools now?
mircea_popescu: bounce sweden is kinda poor these days.
mircea_popescu: On Sunday, the Swedish media wound itself into a tizzy over a photograph of a man dressed in black wading into the water somewhere in the archipelago. The security services were dispatched to find the man, who turned out to be a pensioner named Ove, out doing some fishing. "I'm no spy, I'm a pensioner," he told Expressen. "You can tell that it's me [in the photo] by my straight jeans, and I usually have a backpack on."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: this suggests a novel attack vector: depress price strategically to drive miners out, <<< except miners don't go in and out with the price. the market is amortisation driven, they have the gear and have to use it, so they'll use it.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: it's completely wild to see how much the bitcoin network hashrate fluctuates. << you understand those aren't directly measured, but more like calculated after the fact ? it's normal variance, you're trying to guess how many times a coin is tossed by how many heads you see. well...
mircea_popescu: there's at least half a dozen of various derp groups, and they're all wasting oxygen & public moneyz.
mircea_popescu: cazalla seems not really. but the aussie "secret service" twerps are the better target there. i dun think anyone can point out to ANYTHING they ever achieved, since ww2 onward.
thickasthieves: i remember bitfury was very defensive when i asked how much manufactured mining power they represented
mircea_popescu: there will be the occasional reports from retired people, obviously. but otherwise, bitcoin mining ~==== fiat espionage.
mircea_popescu: only for the public.
mircea_popescu: why would people in power talk to the public ?
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really. /// well, what if we picture the future 10 years out? are representatives of large hash more communicative? or is there 'political' position on bitcoin technicals more known?
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mircea_popescu: miners willing to talk about their mining are either lying or motivated by something larger than their mining. which could be their own honesty, of course, but could just as well invalidate the entire premise identifying them as miners.
mircea_popescu: being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really.
thestringpuller: couldn't you just ask trustworthy miners like slush for the pool stats?
thickasthieves: <+othernubs`> let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce /// yknow a survey of large miners' and pools' sentiment on state of bitcoin dev, what versions they use, etc would be a great qntra article
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell nubbins I'm not familiar with the btc codebase, but is there any reason not to include diffs from 5.3 to n.m in the appendix?
ben_vulpes: well it's cost the future one night of my time.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no dude, it's a pos libtard venue astroturfing the shit out of the internet.
assbot: Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations
ben_vulpes: anyways, here, ether wallet lulz: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/22_technical-flaws-in-early-ether-wallet-implementations.html
ben_vulpes: ether
mircea_popescu: medium is a turdy pos on the level of coindesk.
ben_vulpes: using their considerable expertise in implementing a just-in-time (JIT) compiled version of the Ethereum virtual machine and making computationally-complex contracts a reasonably affordable possibility
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: now there's an interesting thing to put up someone's pooper
pete_dushenski: the question is how much rewriting is possible?
pete_dushenski: in the last 2 week alone it's ranged from 160ph to 370ph as per http://bitcoin.sipa.be
pete_dushenski: it's completely wild to see how much the bitcoin network hashrate fluctuates.
ben_vulpes: i'm too tired and too deep in unix horseshit to know what to say about ether anymore
pete_dushenski: i haven't tried their other equipment but it's priced to a point where i certainly have high expectations
pete_dushenski: went back to the store 5 months later and btc and the jacket's price had converged so it was only 1 btc. i went for it then :D
fluffypony: I should get another one
fluffypony: but I keep taking the packs out and using it for hikes and general travel
ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@abrkn/obtaining-and-offline-securing-ether-for-the-upcoming-ethereum-launch-157963b6a456 << so one actually downloads wallets from the etherfolk?
pete_dushenski: though i did get a pretty sweet arcteryx winter jacket at the end of last season that i'm looking forward to sporting.
cazalla: fluffypony, hopefully they get back to me but not likely
fluffypony: it's also $400, so there's that
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: I kid you not about the antenna - this is pretty much the best FPV video receiver antenna on the market, and it's from True RC Canada: http://www.truerc.net/canada/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30_32_40&products_id=217
fluffypony: cazalla: it's obvious how they're going to do it...you just have to hand over your private keys and they'll totally handle the rest :-P
fluffypony: famous around the world for its directional 2.4ghz FPV antennae
pete_dushenski: fluffypony hm did see that. afraid not. looks like i'll be in central canada around then...
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: I'm going to be in LA from next Tue till Nov 2nd, and then in Utah & Las Vegas from Nov 2nd to Nov 17th - any chance you're mosying on down in that vicinity?
pete_dushenski: "The FBI director James Comey's bid to have Congress kibosh default encryption appears to have publicly failed after senators said the proposal would be rejected." << uhuh
pete_dushenski: but of course smartphones are supersekure and everything and there's no way goog/aapl are letting those pesky feds get in the way.
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pete_dushenski: ya wasn't there a dogecoin mining botnet on android fones too?
pete_dushenski: "The researchers have found that it's possible to trick the Android app wrapping system so that an image can be wrapped up with malware, and delivered inside an innocuous wrapper app, which gets past both security apps and Google's Bouncer. The basis of the attack is a custom encryption package (which they dubbed AngeCrypt) that makes the malicious APK look like a valid PNG image file (other image formats work as
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pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/android_can_be_tricked_into_loading_malware_obfuscated_in_pngs/ << heh
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: 'cept for the rapier betwixt yer ribs
ben_vulpes: you make the baby satoshi cry
thestringpuller: GPG in the browser?
pete_dushenski: and i said we're doing pgp or irc. but he'd "lost his key" so had to make another...with kryptokit!
pete_dushenski: this was after anthony tried calling me several times, leaving voicemails about how he "didn't know i felt that way about ethereum" and shit.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller ya, everything vitalik and his co-derp anthony touch are utter nonsense.
thestringpuller: vitalik buterin is on the team? kinda figures "javascript in da browser"
thestringpuller: of a theory*
thestringpuller: hmm. it's ashame all the power rangers are senile
thestringpuller: "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock!
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller good for la serenissima, bad for usderpcorps.
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pete_dushenski: thestringpuller so ya, dump bonds = us raises rates to compete with market awash in dumped bonds.
thestringpuller: I forgot jgarzik was an advocate of GPG in the web browser.
thestringpuller: seems pretty easy to do in the modern economy
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller i'm well familiar with that one. i linked several other trilemas to make my case.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse. << their own rates? or just dump some us bonds and trigger us rate increase?
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thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com the problem of too much money
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a quarter bn in 2014 ? seriously ? all into shit ? << lol. tip of the derpberg.
pete_dushenski: and there hasn't been any anonslaught for the latest piece. but it's only been a few hours.
mircea_popescu: how's the anon onslaught ? you been made to repent yet ?
mircea_popescu: the noobs aren't really capable of handling the sort of requirements to dld a full chain.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to be perfectly fair : the bdb arrangement wasn't really tenable on the long haul. it had to be replaced with a better db.
mircea_popescu: the whole set of xxxx's and blkindex.dat
ben_vulpes: but if you supply the entire datadir, you can boot one install with another's blockchain?
mircea_popescu: you can't mix and match blkxxxx from one install with another's.
mircea_popescu: notrly, cause we know what's in the zero block
mircea_popescu: the client doesn't keep "blocks" exactly, it's messier
mircea_popescu: there is one caveat, specifically, that you must make a file named DB_CONFIG that contains a set_lg_dir database set_lk_max_locks 500000
mircea_popescu: so then nm, let it buzz.
ben_vulpes: i'm not concerned about the speed nearly as much as i am the thing working correctly with the network.
mircea_popescu: it'll take a few weeks, but what's the rush, and this way you get an authenti ccopy.
ben_vulpes: none that can't wait for the morrow
asciilifeform: eh, i suspect that many of us had one long before other
ben_vulpes: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu&start=5000 << mthreat wouldja be so kind as to expand how far back the search goes?
mircea_popescu: it is, substantially, but it's indexed differently for the latecomers.
mircea_popescu: am i the only one ?!
TheNewDeal: I've just seen up to block 315k on tpb, but wasn't sure what the file format was
asciilifeform: picture it being sent to earth of the recent past, that had all but bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: this is where docker starts coming in handy: instead of burning many hours on chasing down platform and architecture details to get the thing to work on os x, i'm leaning towards just running 0.5.3 in a VM.
ben_vulpes: i am considering bisecting the codebase for building on os x
othernubs`: i have a turkey kolbasa in the fridge
asciilifeform: code shrinks when a great fire is lit and all things that are vile and repugnant to the righteous are consumed in the flames.
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> how the fuck it is code never shrinks ? << Code does shrink sometimes. But not due to concentration on features or bugs. If it happens, it happens because the developer grows and improves. One of my favorite days was deleting 60k lines of code that I had written and replacing it with 100 lines. Simpler. Faster. Easier to understand.
asciilifeform: othernubs` picked up
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: now is not the time, i actually suggested the project not imagining it would be picked up so quickly
pete_dushenski: i meant on the blog.. but i see where you're going. i'll drop him a twit.
assbot: The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski << http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/ tell garzik i said they missed the boat.
mircea_popescu: MITRE Partners with University System of Maryland to Operate New Cybersecurity R&D Center for the National Institute of Standards and Technology ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and check out the cve link for details, going straight to an unmaintained dump page.
asciilifeform: but all the semantics of original must be preserved, to begin.
mod6: just putting it out there.
asciilifeform: lol they assign cve for unknown gotcha through unknown mechanism!!?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck it is code never shrinks ?