thestringpuller: and then you can send it here to have it bound
nubbins`: it's good exercise for the fingers
asciilifeform: i've bound an odd book here & there.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: afaik it has not yet been decided what ought to be between the pages...
thestringpuller: It would be leatherbound and you can also engrave
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: DO you want me to rip my openbsd cd's and upload them somewhere?
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who wants to mirror the proposed mailing list, will be able to do so at his pleasure.
asciilifeform: yes, that's the only work-like part of this proposal, yes
BingoBoingo: <jurov> so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script << I actually imagined set of books for the core an annumal supplement book of refinemnts
asciilifeform: since, at least in the mechanism i suggested, no message shall be ever published that is not signed, any reader can verify that the mailing list is authentic.
jurov: that will verify and apply them?
asciilifeform: the somewhere, incidentally, is a stable satoshi-based gizmo worth using as a base for rewrite (idk about other folks, i shall rewrite for my own pleasure if no one wants, once finished with current affairs) - and perhaps worth printing!
jurov: that could apply once we're close to the ideal
asciilifeform: static www hosting latest stable result of composition of gpg-signed patches from mailing list - yes, more yoga, but ultimately the Right Thing.
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 20:33:59; asciilifeform: i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect.
asciilifeform: at any rate, imho git is entirely the wrong pill here.
asciilifeform: git clone http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git <<<< wtf nonsense is this, that's 2014 bitcoind in there.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Go
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Mine any news yet?
undata: depends on what kind of business then
asciilifeform: undata: the internet solves that << if only.
jurov: TheNewDeal yes ====
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Yes
asciilifeform: i guess there's the elementary fact that a 70 y.o. head of a firm cannot turn into a 20. y.o. apprentice again
BingoBoingo: Buy truck, drive to panama, 4 digit number to move truck around the Darien last time I priced it.
undata: and bitcoin solves getting paid by them
undata: jurov: I would say maybe leaving behind business contacts has a cost, but the internet solves that.
jurov: then it goes up
jurov: there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ? << I thought it was just Ubuntu that only made a user account they'd turn into a super sudoer
mircea_popescu: i think the bar for thai citizenship is having sex with a trannie
asciilifeform: i've been informed that the usual excursions where people take pregnant women to usa, have reversed.
mircea_popescu: us citizens on army bases routinely get dual citizenship kids if they become pregnant and deliver
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone, really. germany definitely, if you were born there.
jurov: *Great Hungary to label the delusion properly
asciilifeform: at any rate, even if herr putin mailed me a ru passport as perverse birthday present, fat lot of good that would do. need a lot more than a passport to leave the 'big zone.'
asciilifeform: it was still swamped, against rules, and the people who did the swamping accounted for a large fraction of the bums which appeared during collapse
mircea_popescu: mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naive idea. they unplugged this, to avoid ru proper being swamped with the entire contents of kazahstan, ua, baltics, all the provinces
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you were born there. what more << ussr kaput
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I think the game was postponed
BingoBoingo impressed that Argentine citizenship merely requires two years residence and an income, true land of the free
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu "either you renounce ALL your laws or we burn you to the ground." << now here's a radical concept. probably the same one that was invoked at parliament hill today
mircea_popescu: you were born there. what more ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but you were born in odessa ? then you do have ru citizenship no? << lol! the whole city would've emptied in '92 or even earlier, if this were so.
mircea_popescu: i forget what this is called in us politics, but o yeah, "splitting the vote"
mircea_popescu: so as to create the illusion that there's no actual support for simple stuff like "either you renounce ALL your laws or we burn you to the ground."
mircea_popescu: othernubs`: i thought medium was the sort of site where literally anyone can publish? <<< medium is, essentially, the sort of venue created to give the impression of a #b-a to the 99% idiots who can't tell the difference.
mircea_popescu: it certainly couldn't be because the world sucks, right ?
mircea_popescu: year, really, i wonder why the fuck is it that the best kids that the us can produce want to go help isis burn the whole world.
mircea_popescu: undata the same obnoxious farts that create this "passport" that means no rights are also wondering why even a teenager if she has any sense wants to bomb them off the planet.
mircea_popescu: apparently you can void passports for truancy now, in the bestest america.
mircea_popescu: "Three Colorado high school students may have been playing hooky so they could run away and join ISIS apparently seduced by their twisted campaign of terror and hatred. The girls, ages 15, 16 and 17, never showed up to their Denver-area school on Friday because they were en route to Turkey via Germany," <<< much better chicks than any "feminist" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: bounce: I don't care if maladjusted angry youths want to run away and make trouble in a war zone. I do care if they come back, recruit some more kids (to do the same), cause trouble, shoot some jews, what have you. << how else do you expect the shithole to be fixed ?
mircea_popescu: france is dead, notjust ot them, to everyone.
mircea_popescu: bounce: announce that loud and clear and everybody knows what the score is. "if you want to go there, you're dead to us." << it won't work.
BingoBoingo: After that we just need a few super mutants and then New Reno
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo a yes, the $900k coin!
BingoBoingo: Has wallet encryption. You can "given them your last penny" to the extent they can see it...
mircea_popescu couldn't give less of a shit about whatever "star" the ustardians have produced this week.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes therealbitcoin.org
assbot: I was wondering when the rockstar economist Thomas Piketty would enter the climate debate... http://t.co/V2aOWzwWPQ http://t.co/vpt4SBE2w9
bounce: another interesting task: figure out what the db really needs to be doing then find well-tested code that can do it
mircea_popescu: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/index.html << check out kent pitman allll over salon.com with the "global warming" thingee
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo the only interesting one you're missing out on is "#181. Improved build to check dependencies using Gary's dependency checker." lol
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1502.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.38 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
jurov: okay i see, there's lot of new code not properly reviewed
BingoBoingo: Leveldb google turd does actually seem to be higher performance than the BDB oracle turd, but... yes consequences.
mircea_popescu: leveldb in and of itself is whatever, maybe not the first choice for a db. leveldb as implemented by hearn was an attack on bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The idea I floated last week was purple and orange, but cazalla reminded me colorblindness is a thing.
mircea_popescu: jurov the major code reorg that caused a fork. factual.
jurov: seems rather superstitious to me... but yes, starting at 0.5 and adding new stuff only after review is a plan
BingoBoingo: Also as I said last night, running the occasional 0.8.x node is polite...
pete_dushenski: so i'm guessing no spv will work on the bitcoin i ? so no more multibit?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: That is the literal reading of the Thermos bitcoin wiki definition of softfork
jurov: nubbins` an idea: what about making the Q more like opinion bubble?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, that they prevent people using newer software from making or recognizing certain transactions.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo that b-a is behind them?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Do you know what the truly beautiful thing about softforks is?
pete_dushenski: los_pantalones: just heard these guys closed 50mm << inching closer to that magic $bn
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: It is the favicon
nubbins`: i'd guess the favicon even though it hasn't loaded for me yet
jurov: the "menu"?
BingoBoingo: So... anyone spot the new qntra design++ yet?
mircea_popescu: the substitute head seems a good idea.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers. << except we use.... roman numerals.
pete_dushenski: time to chime in on the new bitcoin name:
bounce: which reminds me. there need to be automated regression tests.
BingoBoingo: Also www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/haunted-house-assault-lawsuit-786543
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mircea_popescu: "The HTTPAuthorized function in bitcoinrpc.cpp in bitcoind 0.8.1 provides information about authentication failure upon detecting the first incorrect byte of a password, which makes it easier for remote attackers to determine passwords via a timing side-channel attack."
mircea_popescu: quite. mp still recalls the profusely apologetic "we fucked up the init and consequently ppl got pwned" stuff coming out of the chief scientists
mircea_popescu: to defeat cryptographic protection mechanisms by leveraging the resulting PRNG predictability, as exploited in the wild against Bitcoin wallet applications in August 2013."
mircea_popescu: "The engineNextBytes function in classlib/modules/security/src/main/java/common/org/apache/harmony/security/provider/crypto/SHA1PRNG_SecureRandomImpl.java in the SecureRandom implementation in Apache Harmony through 6.0M3, as used in the Java Cryptography Architecture (JCA) in Android before 4.4 and other products, when no seed is provided by the user, uses an incorrect offset value, which makes it easier for attackers
BingoBoingo: I chaired the Science and Technology committee.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo indeed the sgt at arms
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha fucked him with the mace of office ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like the Seargent at Arms
mircea_popescu: who killed the unarmed gunman ?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Did he kill him with the mace?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: incidentally, this: http://imgur.com/a/8f0ge is the man who killed the armed gunman at the canadian parliament today
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Seems shady, 404 on the "how this works" page
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you were born in odessa ? then you do have ru citizenship no ?
nubbins`: amazing the effect this has on one's attitude and outlook
asciilifeform: came to see a sonic << if only. brought as a boy and ended up with no other citizenship just like parents (no automagic su->ru citizenship for folks who packed up prior to '94, if i recall)
bounce didn't catch where they were levying that tax, or what they were imagining the prices currently paid to be
BingoBoingo wishes for gas station gift card deniminated in gallons of gas rather than dollars of gas.
mircea_popescu: well in the same sense brent is 100 bux a barrel
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> you - which you. herr buffett can sleep when he pleases, likewise, i hear. << not so. not when the dow is ding ding dinging downwards.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> that hungarian "internet tax", 150 forints / gigabyte (or part thereof). that's .49 euro / gigabyte. <<< it's al ulzfest. the gb costs about 1 cent or so atm.
undata: bounce: trying to balance out the socialism, ok?
asciilifeform: undata: except that in usa and its colonies, the slaves derp on about being some kind of 'free' despite not even being permitted to sleep.
undata: then granted
nubbins`: 1992, the year punk broke
undata: asciilifeform: I share the distaste for merkuh, but... broad brush.
asciilifeform: the only 'early retirement' available to everyone is the 'last bullet retirement fund.'
undata: I suppose all 320mil of us work at McDonalds leaving only to go through the drive-through at Burger King in your fantasy.
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bounce: that hungarian "internet tax", 150 forints / gigabyte (or part thereof). that's .49 euro / gigabyte.
undata: as long as you're somewhere where the sun will wake you up
asciilifeform: at some point we'll learn the secret of adjusting the thermostat, so to speak, of the body - and then people will blast themselves to hell with free radicals instead of dying of fat. choose ice vs. fire death, yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there is some merit to this entire "sucks to be me" approach to obesity. while i have been catching on a little weight as an adult male, it's still mostly a case of, if i overeat my body just turns it to heat, usually on the spot.
mircea_popescu: one of the things in family folklore re my childhood is this one time when they got a large jar of homemade jam from up in the pantry where it was kept (why ?) and while discussing if to make it crepes or what
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was 6 << easy then
mircea_popescu: and then eat when hungry and so on. caesar's method.
mircea_popescu: yeah bitch, they do. nevertheless, ever since i can recall my process was to stay up until i was sleepy and then sleep until i woke up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wasn't an intellectual breakthrough of any kind whatsoever - but is apparently 'canonical' among the community of the Officially Sad.
bounce: stopped reading the thing. too wordy, going nowhere.
mircea_popescu is not impressed by this spoon theory.
jurov: git clone http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git just trying out the setup... works, but with mysterious 403 thrown for good measure
asciilifeform: ok looks like author pointed it out: 'What's the economic reason of making software fake of well-known chip instead of making new one under your own name? This way they don't need to buy USB VID, sign drivers in Microsoft, no expenses on advertisement. This fake chip will be used right away in numerous mass-manufactured products.'
nubbins`: TheNewDeal and i'd say "yeah, guy sent me btc, i sent him a poster" and they would not have any new information upon which to judge your character
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/6464LM2.png <<< check out this land where thermodynamics never happened.
TheNewDeal: I'm distancing myself from the forum
reggiesells: noob here, what the heck did you guys just do with those irc commands?
TheNewDeal: I don't see how it'd be worthless. In fact, if someone wanted to do business with me, they could literally ask you how it went
nubbins`: you want everyone to know you're a connoisseur, post some pics of your poster to the thread ;D
nubbins`: i give out ratings like candy, they'll be worthless
nubbins`: TheNewDeal, a man's gotta have criteria and you don't meet it, sorry
asciilifeform: gitian << first of all, want bsd - floppy disk image is what i'm playing with now - plus gcc, other deps - pre-baked. minimal size. second, what is this nonsense, it needs an internet connection?!?!
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Find news submit draft
nubbins`: TheNewDeal you know those are better ratings than i had for a long time :P
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!ce2d690b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.45.105.11 . User TheNewDeal, rated since Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014. Cumulative rating 4, from 3 total ratings. Received ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal
nubbins`: ;;ratingsystem getrating TheNewDeal
gribble: Error: The "RatingSystem" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "getratings" in it. Try "list RatingSystem" to see the commands in the "RatingSystem" plugin.
nubbins`: ;;ratingsystem getratings TheNewDeal
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!ce2d690b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.45.105.11. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheNewDeal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TheNewDeal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot TheNewDeal
gribble: You have not yet rated user TheNewDeal
BingoBoingo: ;;rated TheNewDeal
asciilifeform: (how did i make this inference? simply from the fact of the actual die not being a copy. which would have been the obvious explanation.
nubbins`: TheNewDeal, i'm very parsimonious with my ratings
asciilifeform: http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/FTDI-FT232RL-real-vs-fake-supereal << entirely different silicon. from this we learn!! that a) they copied it because usb id is charged for by rent-seeking scumz0rs b) winblows includes ftdi driver already. relationship with microshit. so chinese were forced into this.
TheNewDeal: hey nubbins` , good sir, can I get a rating for purchasing them posters :D?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is wallowing with the eagles? mega-lol though
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/8XqmkJM.jpg << ever read the infamous 'spoons' essay?
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#861596 << so what does he do? tries to cause the grief he intended to stop
bounce: well, there's these cheap chinese boxes that come without MAC assigned; somewhere on bootup it'll just make one up
bounce: they're apparently about to run out of numbers. so they tack on three digits for a net gain of one bit
asciilifeform: like domain names would be were there zero downward pressure on prices, and a single registrar.
bounce: (there was a guy that did exactly that, expressly for hobbyist purposes, but he got shot down, I think)
bounce: well, yes, they probably should sell, say, fractional VIDs (VID+16 PIDs or so) for a nicely small fraction of the cost
asciilifeform: they fake it because even if you implement a standard device class (e.g. HID) you have to fake someone's. or you fork over ~4k usd to parasite scum for a 'legit' id.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's like the previous one with some sed
asciilifeform: re: FTDI scandal - the real sc4mz0rz are the usb standard phoundation folks, who charge for IDs. the only reason any of this is happening.
bounce: I'm oblivious as to the drama that spawned this
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/TakeBack4chan/comments/2gsppl/our_plan_of_action/ << in other news.
mircea_popescu: DOUBLE DONGS SAVE THE DAY
mike_c: yeah but they didn't have symmetric two way pegs.
mircea_popescu: re-ethereum
mircea_popescu: seems like the old tihng again.
bounce: not that I paid attention the first time around, mind.
mike_c: sidechains! pegged to bitcoin! don't worry about the fact that it won't fucking work and the sidechains will collapse. we'll figure something out.
mircea_popescu: if someone makes a powerpoint they may be worth a fuck, but if someone makes a pdf its not worth your time.
bounce: ``The licence only allows use of the Software with, and the Software will only work with Genuine FTDI Components (as defined in the Licence Terms). Use of the Software as a driver for a component that is not a Genuine FTDI Component MAY IRRETRIEVABLY DAMAGE THAT COMPONENT.'' -- well, they did do and went covered their arse.
mircea_popescu: no, im just saying yours is the bad kind of tortured.
BingoBoingo: MagnusonMoss Warranty Act would prolly be the way to protect your bootleg usb chips in US court
mircea_popescu: you know, the same way "phenotypically divergent" does not necessarily mean an extremely skinny chick with extremely large tits and improbably long legs. it could also mean disproportionately large head
bounce: prolly not. tortuous to say the least. but lots of legal wrangling is exactly that.
mircea_popescu: my point was entirely that the first sale thing prolly won't take you far.
mircea_popescu: well sure it is, no argument there.
bounce: anyhow, I get where they're coming from but it's still a dodgy move.
bounce: not sure if it'd make sense to even put the defense on first sale, but worth a shot.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, it'd be funny if the first sale doctrine protected the owners of counterfit gucci bags.
bounce: by the time the driver hits the owner is the client, not the fake vendor nor the real vendor
bounce: and, hm, if the device proclaims to be vendor x / product y, then does the vendor have a right to say "but I didn't make this, this is fake. not my product" and set product id to 0?
bounce: setting product id to 0. didn't know they even had programmable vid/pid
bounce: actually bricking? oh dear. that is maybe a little too enthousiastic. but the poor chinese copies claiming to be ftdi then only implementing half the stuff and causing trouble that reflects badly on ftdi would tire me out, honestly.
los_pantalones: understood, ty for the clarification
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if i donate to the bitcoin foundation a btc and consider maybe donating another 100 in time
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones uhm... from what i hear the 50 mn reports may be grossly exaggerated.
thickasthieves: <+kakobrekla> blockstream has nice logo -- not bad, i'd have gone for less segments in the icon
asciilifeform: why the everliving fuck is usbid on any ftdi - genuine or chinese - reflashable inband ?!?!
mircea_popescu: i see the "3 year's experience" thing got a ++ ?
mircea_popescu is seriously considering expanding the derps. this is good shit.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones o no fucking way, they got like a dozen and they're all co founders and supposedly equally so ?!
asciilifeform: i like the 'kelvin' variant, but this is a matter of taste.
thickasthieves: you give it a name, and the first version is 1
thickasthieves: <+asciilifeform> ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers. /// yeah, see
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well, prolly not the same, but intel has "The latest Tweets from Francesca Hall (@FrancescaHRH). In the semi final heat for Miss England 2015 " to share.
thickasthieves: <+mike_c> hey thickasthieves, wake up and back me up. this things needs different branding. /// well i think the whole .0.0 whatever shit is retarded
mircea_popescu: i want some smart chicks that become experts in complex systems and chaos theory over a semester
BingoBoingo: Except each side chain gets their own deedbot?
mircea_popescu: "Francesca Hall Co-Founder Since joining Blockstream as team coordinator, she has become an expert in complex systems, chaos theory, system automation, and large scale organizational challenges"
los_pantalones: and had the same reaction
BingoBoingo: Wait, isn't sidechains just namecoin or any other merge mined thing, but without history?
los_pantalones: on the phone was told 'a bunch of people from bitcoin core dev'
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones so basically.. maxwell, wuille towards the end, and WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE lol
undata: mike_c: yes one way, but certainly not the only
asciilifeform: we aren't doing 'provably correct' or even 'fits in head' quite yet. just a reasonably sane janitorial job on classical bitcoind. downed pilot has to eat, whether the fauna have four legs, six, or a thousand.
mike_c: <+undata> in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes << yeah.. one way to break things is to add "fixes"
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Kuhn is the one who tried the versioning things with science http://www.amazon.com/The-Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-Edition/dp/0226458083