mircea_popescu: undata that's kinda why this is not the same discussion. you're thinking of the scratchpad. they're talking the exhibition.
decimation: of course you validate the signature
undata: ben_vulpes: sure, that's a fine value, but every time someone tries to reinvent VCS, they either produce something terrible or git
mircea_popescu: without signature, there's no code.
ben_vulpes: name of the game being dependency minimization.
undata: these are bizarre requirements
mircea_popescu: well ok, it could also be sung, or whatver. anyway, the central idea here is the signing.
asciilifeform: naked eye means - no tools other than apparatus capable of displaying ascii text - plus one which can verify signature.
asciilifeform: that the entirety of everything submitted by a contributor must be signed, every time, with his gpg key, and this fact be visible to the naked eye at all times
undata: then I'm off base; what were you saying?
mircea_popescu: i don't think you two are discussing the same discussion.
asciilifeform: why use 'git' then
asciilifeform: who the hell cares if it's simple
assbot: S.MG IPO succeeded. Other statements. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: cazalla btw shouldn't http://trilema.com/smg-ipo-succeeded-other-statements be in there ?
asciilifeform: yes, the pluses and minuses.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Breakout Gaming Fall Short In Attempt To Raise 10,000 BTC | Qntra.net <<< they shouldn'rt feel bad, minigames didn't manage 10k either.
decimation: it's amazing that there isn't a version control system with embedded crypto signatures
mircea_popescu: ima put kako in the bash nao
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read why and then think again. ten times.
asciilifeform: and then interrogate him.
asciilifeform: then arguably their external 'face' is the fellow in their private net who -will- talk to strangers.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument" < i can see how someone running v0.9 would set the string to 'ducky duck' but not v0.1.
mircea_popescu: nodes can implement their own private ip allows.
asciilifeform: in what way, then?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours <<< miner doesn't have to rely
asciilifeform: ask nodes their strings - also elementary
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument"
mircea_popescu: you shoulda seen the days of c wrapped.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may be old enough to recall the fucking relief php was back when ppl were stuck doining web-cgi
asciilifeform: it's intended to process strings << incidentally - 'SNOBOL'. i invite folks to read about it. the idea of dedicated 'string processing' languages is rather old, and has not really gone anywhere 'snobol' hadn't gone.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it appeals to the un crapolade
asciilifeform: (never heard of shitburial? it's when yer in a hole and they park a honeywagon, lead the pipe out, throw reverse gear, and... fill)
mircea_popescu: consequently, the incredibly idiotic shit it does is concentrated
decimation: I guess php has had a 'trial by fire' as the lingua franca of web devel
kakobrekla: except not < i think you are the most common in bash say last 5 pages
mircea_popescu: no dude, php is a lot more stable than ruby bs, then the ruby crowd goes around bitching about php
mircea_popescu: fucking scavenger culture. "o, nice car, is it the latest ford ? no, it's an old toyota civic with the crap thrown off"
mircea_popescu: this is getting to be more and more the way to go.
asciilifeform: nah it's just an ancient 'wordpress' with all the crapolade ruthlessly burned out
asciilifeform: reading the tale, it is easy to forget that it is about a soldier, albeit an unusual one
asciilifeform: it needs a fragile paranoia-state << these are not in any short supply
gribble: Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned - Goodreads: <http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what>; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn>; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2014 18:23:44; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: note that, for all the poetic license of the tale, it is very clear that wasp needs a support network.
undata: still there, rotting, but not gone
undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up
undata: why wouldn't I expect Americans to choose their own Putin
undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse.
undata: nah, I'm already on the list.
gribble: WASP - Lone Wolf (122 pages) - White Aryan Resistance: <http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf>; Wasp (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_(novel)>; One man against a whole planet: Eric Frank Russell's Wasp | Tor.com: <http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/03/one-man-against-a-whole-planet-eric-frank-russells-wasp>
thestringpuller: i have the pdf
gribble: Yellowjackets and Paper Wasps Yellowjackets and Paper Wasps: <http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/eb0643/eb0643.pdf>; Yellowjackets and Other Wasps - Washington State Department of ...: <http://www.ecy.wa.gov/pubs/97427.pdf>; Paper Wasps - West Virginia University: <http://www.wvu.edu/~exten/infores/pubs/pest/hpm7003.pdf>
BingoBoingo: undata: But what if the Sirians offer that strong voice first!
undata: if things start falling apart, they're going to beg for the first strong voice they hear to save them.
decimation: your friend is shot in the head, he calls for help, but the locals have already taken over the airport, no helicopters anywhere
decimation: things get ugly. a few bombs go off. You are ordered out of your apc into the city.
decimation: there's no air support, because comms are down. The 'locals' mostly think that the state should decide how things are run, not some ex-bureaucrats.
decimation: undata: think of it from the point of view of the lowly private. You are at Fort Hood, and wash dc is gone. Your commander has told you that the 'chain of command' has ordered you to 'take Dallas'.
undata: look, if you're going to present it as a given that the most effectively oppressive military complex on earth is about to disappear, you're going to have to justify that.
thestringpuller: we like to think so, but who is really pulling the strings?
undata: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work
thestringpuller: definitely but without a function chain of command the army is going to fragment into multiple "militias" in a serious disaster
undata: the US military is immensely capable of holding cities
decimation: 1.) "chain of command" orders military to 'crush' a city 2.) half the troops go awol, the other half are murdered by partisans 3.) "chain of command" no longer in command
undata: I don't think the head-body metaphor applies here
undata: the military would still have a chain of command absent civilian authority
decimation: who's control? I have no doubt that off-continent enemies will be taken seriously, but who's orders are they going to follow? Texas?
undata: none of which will be keeping control of the continent?
decimation: it has no head, and the various pieces will find themselves suddenly having bigger priorities
decimation: if washington dc goes under, for instance, there is no us military
decimation: thestringpuller: yeah such movies are probably less fantastic than usg's hidden 'plans'
thestringpuller: ^- is this why they make so many disaster movies about the USG going underground during a disaster and trying to reclaim power?
assbot: CONELRAD: Atomic Culture | Updates on the Arthur Godfrey Ultimate PSA Search
asciilifeform: http://conelrad.com/godfrey_2.html << entirely unrelated to anything. except perhaps the 'satoshi warning' feature of bitcoind.
decimation: asciilifeform: I think supermicro makes them too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, the only remaining manufacturer of ecc-enabled amd (specifially) boards is 'tyan.'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah a few $mil will be 'required' one way or another
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: theo de raadt has a microvax somewhere in his cellar
asciilifeform: chinese << forget chinese. nothing i - a peasant - so much as breathed on - will ever be crowned 'eal'.
decimation: BingoBoingo: I'm sure there are still vaxes running somewhere
asciilifeform: one of the sad prices we paid when switched to digital computers is the inevitable forgetting that we are playing with physical machines, and not mathematical platonic forms.
asciilifeform: all bets are off then.
asciilifeform: no need for the 74xx to melt - enough to 'get lucky' and reach a metastable state in one or more switching elements
decimation: yeah for instance if the chinese submitted an entry, no matter how open or impressive, it would never be adopted
decimation: who the hell knows what molten silicon will do
asciilifeform: the notes will remain extremely easy for some, entirely impossible for others - to get.
asciilifeform: a physical machine is not a theorem.
decimation: As I understand, the 'common criteria' eal levels are going away, in favor of even less objective scam-criteria
asciilifeform: decimation: the whole concept of 'formally verified' is a scam.
asciilifeform: and had the pedigree
asciilifeform: (what does this mean? largely, claiming to enforce the american scheme of 'security classifications')
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, handegg regular gameplay changes every year nao and Baseball hasn't had a real change since the mound was lowered because Bob Gibson
asciilifeform: aha green hills is still the only 'eas6' (highest usg rank) os.
decimation: BingoBoingo: except for all the subtle rules about when/where tackling is legal
BingoBoingo: Of the two 'Murican sports, "Football"is probably the one with the simplest rules to grasp.
assbot: XTS-400 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XTS-400 << interesting. turns out greenhills is not the only crown-approved turdphactory
BingoBoingo: Ah, well most 'Murican don't really get Baseball anymore unless their spanish is good.
asciilifeform: i meant, the game in general.
asciilifeform: yes i get that part - the only thing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By refering to Kimbrel as Sirian I mean as in from the Wasp, bowlegged with inhuman movements. Only way to describe the fucker.
asciilifeform: a great many cultural in-jokes and tidbits that seem obvious to a 'native' but utterly opaque to others.
asciilifeform: that's the catch really
thestringpuller: Get him nice and drunk while heckling the pictures.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd suggest playing the part of a Nationals or Baltimore Orioles fan next year, but given the proximity to District 1, dunno how you feel about anal probing
asciilifeform: i had the rules of, e.g., baseball, explained to me - on more than one occasion - and promptly forgot the next day.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Kimbrel is probably Sirian.
BingoBoingo: Mastery of Bullpen usage was how Larussa got the Cardinals two world series wins, but nao... Mathenaging...
BingoBoingo: Ah, I guess for context... back in 2010 Lincecum was called the "Freak" for seeming unnaturaly better than any other starting pitcher, but since then... He has more than regressed to mean...
BingoBoingo: Also odd things happen in baseball over time. In 2010 people would call prank if you said Tim Lincecum warming up in the bullpen, but it is happening.
BingoBoingo: Baseball fascinates me in how it seems to be the intersection of dice games and atheleticism
asciilifeform: other than scientific curiosity, re: what fascinates various folks so much
asciilifeform: stays in - in the sense that not once have i ever seen any reason to give a damn about it
asciilifeform: arena in the sense of reasonably strong containment
Adlai: did my gif get through earlier? https://i.imgur.com/srO11QN.gif <-- this may be the moment when i finally realized the importance of natural selection
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The San Francisco Giants getting fucked by a team with a fraction of their payroll.
BingoBoingo: I dunno about Yall, but I am watching Silicon Valley getting fucked with a frozen turd wrought of their own ethical lapses.
cazalla: this is just like when worm in rounders is asked how short he is and he responds "all the way"
asciilifeform: pinpoint - no. approximately tell if they're running hearn turd - yes.
asciilifeform: one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours
asciilifeform: decimation: seems like a question that ought to be answerable, at least very approximately, without their cooperation
thestringpuller: KC is bringing the pain.
BingoBoingo: Home RUN, Royals now up 7-2 in the 6th, 3.1 innings left.
BingoBoingo: Bottom of the 6th, two outs
asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting
kakobrekla: some other charts
assbot: Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes
thickasthieves: i still have all my bo cards, my brother collected ken griffer
assbot: The George Brett Story - YouTube
BingoBoingo: This is actually the person Lorde wrote "Royals" about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseNrUeSmXk
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: All I ask for in life is to see Giancarlo Stanton with a better team. Any team oher than the Marlins will do.
thickasthieves: i watched every single red sox game for a couple seasons when pedro was the shit, then never watched again
decimation: well there are a few canadian teams
gribble: Derek Jeter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Jeter>; World Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series>; Boston Red Sox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Red_Sox>
BingoBoingo: And Union was the deviant sport
cazalla: rugby? it's league! that would be like me saying softball is the same as baseball
BingoBoingo: The way the World Baseball classic works is usually the Whole United States gets beat by a small part of the US
BingoBoingo: Fuck this might be the most boring worls series
decimation: he was flying the first production model of the tbm-900, a single-engine turboprop plane
decimation: it turns out that the pilot of the 'zombine plane' that flew over cuba and crashed had asked the usg air controller for a lower altitude twice http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/doomed-tbm-900-pilot-twice-asked-lower-altitude
Pierre_Rochard: I’m looking forward to the new foundation & its ‘fork’
BingoBoingo: July's normally peak summer here, but... we never get consistent weather
cazalla: would be nice to have home grown ones in the winter
TheNewDeal: Anyone attempted to sell a call option on BTC for a cash trade. If so, how was it received by the other party?
cazalla: joecool, i pray our aboriginals don't find this out or they might introduce TSA here
decimation: "It contains about one-half the TEL allowed in 100/130 (green), though the amount is about 4 times what was in pre-1975 leaded automotive grade gasoline."
assbot: Avgas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: people bitch because aviation gas in the us still has lead
BingoBoingo: For the hell of it I may or may not have driven a tank of leaded gas winter of 2006...
decimation: lol they used leaded gas before that?
assbot: Opal (fuel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
kakobrekla: as promised i have setup a mirror for ze logs - http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com - hosting for the mirror gratuitously provided by mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: I feel gypped, the Kaufman stadium fountains appear to be off.
mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline
mircea_popescu: decimation so are the majority of irishmen
decimation: I have a friend who works in a hospital indian health service (branch of usg). she says the majority of us indians are drunks
cazalla: yeah, they lock the bowser at some petrol stations because they come in with a jerry can, fill up and leave without paying
mircea_popescu: who the fuck came up with this dumb shit.
decimation: they huff petrol? that's crazy
cazalla: decimation, they're not all bad, i had a good abo mate through school but once they hit 13, they just want to go lighting fires and breaking into corner shops etc etc sniffing a bit of 98 octane as well
decimation: cazalla: that's pretty much how it works in the us and canada too
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
cazalla: decimation, that's already been done and now they want compensation, the abos want to live off the land but government is determined to stop them no matter how much it costs
mircea_popescu: at any rate, that's what it should mean, regardless what they actuall did.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: that's what I thought but based on these numbers...($2491 for ~13mn shares doesn't add up to the published market value as it looks like the ask value is ~ 8 cents a share)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> best take people at their peak << Great value of a WoT system as here has is you can know what their bottom is
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: All officers and directors voluntarily agreed to the Company's redemption of an aggregate of 12,750,000 shares of common stock for an aggregate payment of $2,491. In doing so, the Company will have further flexibility in continuing to strengthen its balance sheet and ultimately add shareholder value. << could you help me decipher what is going on here accounting wise?
mircea_popescu: best take people at their peak
decimation: plus apologizing for forcing their children to go to school and beating them until they learned?
cazalla: more everything at cost to the tax payer
mircea_popescu: (the way "spam" works is you pay yahoo 100 bux or w/e, never get fglagged. dun recall right off what google is)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the reminder emails will probably get bitpay flagged for spam too
mircea_popescu: it just means everyone else is drowning in their own shit
decimation: the implication being that assange has accomplished little with his derpcapade
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net << for sure.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the sorrow in that "That's about as close as you can get with BitCoin." is delicious.
decimation: the c-machine is a mistake, but ganging multiple c-machines was an even bigger mistake
decimation: heh http://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/6.3.0SP3/neutrino/sys_arch/smp.html#SMP " Symmetric multiprocessing addresses the issue by running only one copy of Neutrino on all of the system's CPUs."
decimation: qnx was fun. did they ever have a multiprocessing variant?
BingoBoingo: The New Reno region mircea_popescu wants to playground eventually as new world hantaviruses, keep your distance from the mice...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Familiar with Hanta or any other new worls scourges?
asciilifeform: 'They are not the first to blame Ebola for an ancient plague. Scientists and classicists in San Diego reported in 1996 that the symptoms of the plague of Athens around 430 BC, described by Thucydides, are remarkably similar to Ebola, including a distinctive retching or hiccupping. Apart from that, many of the symptoms of that plague- and one in Constantinople in AD 540 -were similar to the Black Death.'
assbot: Did bubonic plague really cause the Black Death? - health - 24 November 2001 - New Scientist
asciilifeform: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17223184.000-did-bubonic-plague-really-cause-the-black-death.html << more interesting.
assbot: Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/julian-assange-bitcoins-blockchain-most-intellectually-interesting-development-in-the-last-five-years/
asciilifeform: about similar (in conceptual 'weight' rather than design!) to the unix described in 'lions book.'
asciilifeform: therefore closer to 'fits in head.'
asciilifeform: there's less of it.
asciilifeform: it is only less of a turd than other unix-likes because:
asciilifeform: there is nothing magic about qnx.
asciilifeform: actually it had connections, and, afaik, still runs on various 'if they told you they'd have to kill you' hardware - but not a going concern
asciilifeform: (their entire business model consists of 'we're rather like linux, but closed-source and nsa-approved, one hundred percent Aryan')
asciilifeform: qnx << a very interesting item, and i loved playing with it when young, but it was inevitably bulldozed by the age of no-you-can't-make-money-selling-close-os-unless-you-re-apple-or-microshit
asciilifeform: even the source doesn't fit on floppy
BingoBoingo: joecool: Whatever came before 10 and had wifi calling and the vibrating dildo function
asciilifeform: i explained the floppy
asciilifeform: any of the 29 (?) magickey holders can make you one & sign it
asciilifeform: shrunk binary-only thing is the binary.
asciilifeform: that never pulls - anything - off the net on its own accord.
bounce: then split it in a full build-everything-from-source thing and a shrunk binary-only thing
bounce: why'd you want to distribute the cc if you're going to distribute binaries?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age >> it does ? why would it ?
bounce: boost is a bit ludicrous, even for the c++ course
asciilifeform: if someone wants to try building a cpp preprocessor using tinycc - be the hero, yes.
asciilifeform: bounce: floppy << not for the whole orchestra, no. gcc alone, think! but to get minimal skeletal userland.
BingoBoingo: bounce: Well worse is when the company buys a floundering product and hides it to success like Intel did with DEC ALpha
bounce: then again, bb is floundering too. won't be the first time some company buys up something good for a bout of fleeing forward, goes down anyway and takes the good with it
decimation: 1.) blockchain gather/relay 2.) transaction accumulate/relay 3.) blockchain database 4.) own transaction receive/generate 5.) wallet crypto
bounce: well yeah I'm not too happy bb bought it up, no matter how good it'd be for them. qnx was a bit floundering though, that with everyone running off to leen0x and no real hardware incentive for what makes qnx special. just throw more hardware at the problem and it's sorted. (the beancounters think)
bounce: oh c'mon with the quoting
BingoBoingo: <bounce> qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed << Indeed, but way for a decent RTOS to ruin the last Mobile OS
bounce: they did a one floppy demo once (twice, there's the xmas edition) that let you boot a full graphical desktop plus browser
BingoBoingo: <bounce> for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser << QNX that Blackberry thing?
bounce: for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser
bounce: there's picobsd or nanobsd or whatwasit
jurov: i'll look into the mailman
asciilifeform is presently engaged in trying to collect the smallest (bitwise) possible bsd+gcc+etc combo that will build bitcoind 0.5-0.6