kakobrekla: anyway, the recipe is to say fuck you, go in the barrel and then if you like climb out of it while keeping the finger raised
mircea_popescu: best slavery there is.
undata: one minute god-kings; the next liberty
asciilifeform: (re: 'about fuckyou not the rich')
asciilifeform: ^ yes. just as freedom may or may not be about a hacksaw, depending on whether one is in prison, and of what material the prison is made (a pair of clippers may suffice for a savage rope cage, etc.)
mircea_popescu: meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave.
kakobrekla: for the most part
asciilifeform: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise << 'you go to war with the enemy you have, not the enemy you wish you had'
mircea_popescu: anyway, you;ll appreciate i didn't bring him up in the definition of "fuck you rich"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except his is the exact opposite of odd. his best is even.
mircea_popescu: but on anecdotic evidence, whether people believe that or don't is more of an indicator of whether the polis is on the upswing or downswing than anything personal.
bounce: then I'll take bestest
undata: mircea_popescu: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise?
mircea_popescu: well, the problem with "discussing the art of living" is diogenes. as in, discussion requires common ground. which isn't a given.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: co-authored with mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: s.nsa. first project is a small electronic device, 'cardano.'
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: all pertinent info is to be found on his site, do read the monthly proclamations if interested in the subject
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: to a very limited extent. (mircea_popescu insisted that i bill for the construction of the three-axis robotic platform for prototype assembly.)
mircea_popescu: and diogenes being woken up by all the ruckus, started pushing the tub he inhabited up and down and all around.
mircea_popescu: anyway, at some point the city was being attacked by the enemy, and so every citizen was running up and down trying to make themselves useful. to the "society", by which of course you mean polis.
mircea_popescu: yeah, guy famously got caught jacking off in the forum (roughly equivalent to putting pron tumblr pix in the serious #b-a chan) and when confronted said that his only regret is that hunger doesn't also abate by rubbing the stomach.
undata: reading the story now
mircea_popescu: undata well sure, but the problem with this is diogenes. you know the bath tub story ?
asciilifeform: was obscene price tag, for given qty, and they wanted auto-kitting
undata: mircea_popescu: I would never force anyone to live a certain way (provided it didn't encroach on my own) but I think it's essential to discuss ways to improve the art of living.
punkman: asciilifeform: assuming you asked them, how much did olimex quote for cardano assembly?
asciilifeform: even the comparatively smaller undertaking i'm presently engaged in - still doesn't come cheap. (i speak of the tooling which i have not charged to the piggy, but also of the fact that i cannot convert btc to usd even for those portions where expenses invoiced. as previously recounted here.)
mircea_popescu: that's what triggered the "wtf sjw is this"
mircea_popescu: undata how about "you don't get to say what should be interesting to other people" ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, if your bar is that, then you'll never be happy. takes a lot of dough, that project.
asciilifeform: the particular species of projects i engage in. not sand castles out of cow shit in bangladesh.
punkman: well maybe I'd rather live around the guy that minds his own business, his business being his farm, rather than around guy that has neverending stream of "projects"
undata: mircea_popescu: why live if you're a cheap copy of the "rich" guy next to you. Life is about projects, not piling up Hummers. Wealth fuels projects.
mircea_popescu: undata ok, but it's not very well expressed. what is the value ?
asciilifeform: i'm not sure i personally have ever held a day job which was a 'net gain for the motherland'
asciilifeform: i'd fear the mines if someone decreed that i must now generate wealth
mircea_popescu: how do you figure the people in the vid fit that theory ? they don't seem overweight.
undata: the american idea that the highest good is "eat as much as possible" whether the thing eaten is food, cars, etc.
undata: they gorge themselves on cheap "wealth" instead of generating actual wealth for the 'society' they're a part of
asciilifeform: they'll starve last.
jurov: i'd rather listen to 13yos than old farts
undata: because they're conditioned to be utterly insecure about whatever they lack, at no matter what level of wealth
undata: these are precisely the americans I hope starve first when their bank accounts no longer work
mircea_popescu: jurov no they have this thing where they make 13yos sing in front of the whole congregation.
mircea_popescu: well i dunno, seems to humiliate the kids.
bounce: to get back at the almighty or something?
assbot: The Woodlands - Texas' most celebrated master-planned community
undata: mircea_popescu: my folks live here -> http://www.thewoodlands.com/
bounce: isn't that like a requirement for teenagers? whine, at least 50% of the time.
mircea_popescu: plenty wrong with them being this dumb tho
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with all those kids living at that particular home, with their wives, girlfriends and offspring. it looks just about big enough.
asciilifeform confesses he didn't have the audio plugged in
undata: probably 25, still living at home driving the mchummer
undata: the guy in a black shirt going "you better not"
undata: or whoever the fat fuck standing by was
mircea_popescu: i doubt the truck's all that good, looked like a guzzler.
asciilifeform: specifically, wanting to see the idiot executed a la the 'bear jew' scene in 'inglorious bastards'
undata: coward wouldn't even go for a window, not that he could break one the way he was swinging
undata: that vid of the 16 year old brat attacking his new truck has me in stitches
wywialm: what is the exact multiplier of x.eur?
wywialm: i could "sort-of-replicate" option payoff trading on a spot market, each day buying/selling according to the delta (the difference being transaction costs and interest rate and noncontinuity)
mircea_popescu: really, it's a field that can take a lot more work, bitcoin financial synthesis.
mircea_popescu: well, you'll likely have to throw a bond in there somewhere.
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis you understand synthetic positions ?
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
wywialm: option out of a future and underlying? could you explain futher?
mircea_popescu: wywialm i supposew you could use the x.eur future ad interim
wywialm: ah, the standard way
wywialm: is there a way to change that status?
mircea_popescu: it's not terribly open to the general public.
wywialm: speaking of a plan, does anything happen on the options market in BTC? in particular, does the (possibly otc) option market happen?
mircea_popescu: btw, you writing a piece for the qntra ?
wywialm: mircea_popescu, good question. As you have not heard much from me, you can deduce that the repo otc business did not do well
mircea_popescu: just as well, maybe. the same way, i think not.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu You may want to consult someone who actually follows soccer though. I'll look into the stuff later, but I think actually playing in that league this year would have been possible
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: the drug dealer charters planes and shit
mircea_popescu: Vexual the whore. because she reuses her crack.
asciilifeform: unlike columbus/indies, just about all people have experienced freedom (in the sense of not having to work) - as children
Vexual: i guess the whore
mircea_popescu: Vexual speaking of which, who is the more eco-friendly ? the drug dealer or the whore ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, there's land where "the indies" were supposed to be, too. that doesn't mean columbus found india.
mircea_popescu: but that there's a world does not actually give the prisoner's notion of "freedom" any legs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prisoners may have different reasons to want out of the jail, but that does not make freedom a 'figment of imagination' - there is actually a world outside of the jail.
mircea_popescu: <chetty> kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe .. <<< she has a point, i've seen women cut foot for prada heels.
mircea_popescu: note that the reality of the longing for the idol is not in question, nor does it rub off on the idol to make IT real.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case' << but inasmuch as your argument rests on the "mental space" of the user, then therefore my observation IS satisfied, and indeed it's not a thing, but merely a figment of imagination.
mircea_popescu: so i submit the following bitbet problem to the group : http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/
ben_vulpes: either buy in lot of 12 for 240 odd bucks, or get stuffed.
ben_vulpes: dig this: my favorite mechanical pencil, the the PaperMate Logo II, is now basically unavailable.
chetty: I always thought it had more to do with being willing to live without whatever to the extent you would say $fuckyou to the boss, doesn't have to be money
asciilifeform: such that, e.g., you can lose 90% of the principal and remain fuckyou-enabled
bounce: that is the assumption anyway
asciilifeform: 'fuck you money' is a very real item for which folks have a very real longing - because in fact, it is simply the desire to be released from workschwitz and arbeit macht frei.
asciilifeform: to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case'
asciilifeform: well it has a meaning - most folks aren't bums, and possibly don't even inhabit a mental space where bums exist (other than in the vaguely 'doomy' sense that death exists for them)
mircea_popescu: but that's besides the point isn';t it.
asciilifeform: and most of the speakers are not street bums, and so aren't sitting on a floor one cannot fall through
asciilifeform: 'fuck you money,' if i recall, has the following etymology. the idea that if you came into $fuckyou, you could utter 'fuck you' to the boss at the plant tomorrow, and continue to live at least as well (consumption) as presently, indefinitely
mircea_popescu: possession being nine tenths of the law and all that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rat owns a rathole in the same sense she owns some sidewalk.
asciilifeform: does the woman?
mircea_popescu: neither does my fuck you rich bitch., what now ?
bounce: apparently "lords of the realm", perhaps II
Vexual: you know about the asthmatic lesbian?
asciilifeform: the expression (afaik, american) traditionally means - one who is rich enough to never work again, if so wishes
Vexual: ben vuples the java king
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance by pointing out to the street whore that IS in fact fuck you rich ?
asciilifeform: not as such, but at least suggest how the apparent unicorns are simply goats with horn glued on
mircea_popescu: fuck you rich is like "youthful healthy". only the sickly and elderly know about it.
asciilifeform: "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor << lol, in what way does this not physically exist ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "then it's hysterical"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell xinxi you submit it to cazalla who is the editor in chief.
mircea_popescu: undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated" << this is already a thing.
Vexual: the ones that go over my head i dont hear
mircea_popescu: ;;google "you are ugly, and your mother dresses you funny"
bounce: ancient nobility, of course. nouveau riche and such are party poopers because the insults go over their heads.
mircea_popescu: god-kings exist exactly in the same sense "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor.
bounce: the pill against people establishing themselves as god-kings is you establishing yourself as a god-king, while making fun of the others?
Vexual: so on a new chan you op everyone, and you were the las out
Vexual: tomservo: in the past its been considered bad form to leave without passing operator stautus to another
mircea_popescu: the pill against this, of course, is mp on rape, all that discussion about how the ignorant don't know what they're ignorant of and therefore can't make choices as to what to learn and how to learn it. which is why mp is so unpopular with this particular crowd of retards.
Vexual: you were holdring chanops on the undregisered #qntra
mircea_popescu: "i think lots of people confuse good hierarchy with bad hierarchy" to be followed by a) i am the one to establish which is good and which is bad, b) it's okay for me to use "does it recognise me as god-king" as a criteria of whether it's good or bad, c) the fact that i can and do argue against ANY hierarchy does not invalidate my methods.
nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse (natural concentrations of (power or wealth) that come from either being (smarter or more savvy or luckier or (starting with more (power or wealth or reputation)))) with (systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests)."
mircea_popescu: type two changes into type one around the third day mark.
mircea_popescu: in my experience beating slaves into submission, two types are clearly apparent. one is interested in stopping the beatings, and will change in any way necessary. the other is interested in arguing about how the beatings should stop.
Vexual: the dj sucke dharder
Vexual: yea i herd him on the radio
nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse natural concentrations of power or wealth that come from either being smarter or more savvy or luckier or starting with more power or wealth or reputation with systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests."
mats_cd03: i was poopin and forgot to fix the link
mats_cd03: irc on the pooper
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mats_cd03: 10:50:27 <+Vexual> it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently? << some asians lack the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme
nubbins`: rather not
Vexual: oh thats the whole story?
Vexual: okay, i wasn't born then, fill me in
nubbins`: all the inputs are from late 2010
nubbins`: check the inputs
Vexual: cops rode em till they got susies
Vexual: we have them here
kakobrekla: there is also bmw bikes :)
xinxi: but i did not sell it when the price reached $1700
xiando: I have no gold and neither do you xinxi
xiando: omg $1227 they are attacking gold
xinxi: yeah, they are quite different.
kakobrekla: > Initially he was said to live in Siberia, but with the Informbiro crisis and the schism between Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union his home was relocated to Mt. Triglav, Slovenia's (and also Yugoslavia's) highest peak.
xinxi: yeah, there are also many good girls.
kakobrekla: >In Slovenia the name Ded Moroz was translated from Russian as Dedek Mraz
Vexual: well the girls are a subset that like to be on tv
xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike.
xinxi: but many girls of them like money quite much.
xinxi: interesting, so the tv program is also quite educational.
Vexual: they are all so different
Vexual: but the beauties make it palatable
Vexual: well i like the discourse
xinxi: is it because of the beauties?
xinxi: haha, who do you like the most?
xinxi: are they pretty?
xinxi: do you like the girls?
Vexual: northern australia
Vexual: erm, im not sure, i was looking for the right word
RagnarDanneskjol: where do you buy vodka by the barrel
Vexual: nubbins`: ive got a barrel of the kremlin shit, you wanna do a label?
Vexual: this vodka went thru the carbon at about 10c
nubbins`: "The Dependopotamus is a paradox. She is an utterly useless woman with a high sense of entitlement and self-importance." <<< completely and utterly unlike the guy who wrote this article, huh?
nubbins`: "i'm a useless sack of camo shit who married the first woman who showed a passing interest, because my relationship choices are about as logically sound as my career choices. somehow, this is my new shitty wife's fault and not my own shitty fault"
nubbins`: each dependopotamus husband sowed the seeds of his own misfortune, yet presents his life as something that "happened" "to" him, rather than it being a direct consequence of his poor choices
bounce: there's better stuff to be read. see arrse.co.uk, say their wiki or the forum stuff about "walting"
bounce: so why bother?
nubbins`: because you know they're all telling the tales of their own sad, shitty, ill-thought-out lives
nubbins`: the authors of these "dependopotamus" articles are maybe the saddest spectacle i've ever seen
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance #56 Myths and Legends II: The Dependapotamus
nubbins`: http://terminallance.com/2010/08/06/terminal-lance-56-myths-and-legends-ii-the-dependapotamus/ <<< :(((((((
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jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k2zr0/coinbase_is_in_trouble_but_its_their_own_damn/
assbot: . . . and the Cross-Section of Expected Returns
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xinxi: oh, nice to meet another chinese people here.
xinxi: Meng Fei? you mean the beauty selection tv program?
Vexual: well he sent the foreign minister to apologise a week later
Vexual: he told the newspapers that hed "shirtfront" him; a violent football term for grabbing the opponent by the shirtfront with a twisting motion
jurov: currently he's involved in "on-going détente with various counterparts from other cultures, such as the Estonian Santa Claus (Jõuluvana or "Old man of Christmas"), the Finnish Santa Claus (Joulupukki or "Yule Goat"), and other Santa Claus, Father Christmas, and Saint Nicholas figures"
jurov: Дед Мороз is more interesting. pediwikia says: in 1928 Ded Moroz was declared "an ally of the priest and kulak"
Vexual: the image came to me
jurov: depends which one? dunno about the coca cola addict?
Vexual: i thought st nick was from the north?
jurov: amd Norway is funding some liberal NGOs around from the oil moeny
Vexual: the emPHAsis is all wrong
Vexual: point is, if he turns up without the beer it's one less mate
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Vexual: but a goats worth more than the money, just like a carton of beer here in oz, or a bitcoin
Vexual: oh they'll bet it alright
bounce: http://www.philosophicaleconomics.com/hard-money-deflation-or-economic-stagnation/ <- spot the flaw.
cazalla: Adlai: cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gocoin-gets-cozy-with-igaming-operator/#comment-138 <<< approved it, i'll have a think, too late here to reply and i'd bet others here can provide more insight than i anyway
Vexual: lost and never found cannot be the same
Adlai: so assbot can access its own logs, but it has lost the capacity to amaze itself
punkman: bounce, it's rather amazing how many tv shows revolve around cops
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
bounce: apropos of nothing, is there any evidence of secret agencies sponsoring production of spy fiction?
Adlai: latest chromium has an embedded pdf viewer, pissing me off. i used to click pdfs without worry, knowing that they'd get downloaded and i could process them safely later (pdf2djvu, open in vm, w/e)
xinxi: let’s see what will happen, if it’s really neccessary, i think then you can help.
xinxi: i am not sure whether it’s neccessary.
undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated"
undata: the tobacco industry should try 'unsmoked'
undata: great piece of propaganda from the banking industry, that.
undata: cazalla: oh the term un(der)?banked makes my skin crawl
Adlai: xinxi: it's not educational at all, methylamine synthesis yields a racemic product
xinxi: mircea_popescu - let me check the public offering first.
xinxi: then bored?
xinxi: it should be very late there.
xinxi: i guess most of you are from the US, right?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways with the dependopatomus I don't think the jealousy comes from them resenting what their actual highschool classmates had when they weren't in the service, but jealousy of what the hollywood version of the rest of their high school class ahd.
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