mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from wqhat i understand the problem is that they didn';t copy bug for bug. in that they write even bits, the original does not
decimation: asciilifeform: if it's an exact duplicate, how do they differentiate it from legit chips?
asciilifeform: simple enough best, so there was no real need to make electron micrograph and laboriously reverse the mask
asciilifeform: decimation: if the chinese had simply copied the die, as folks often do, the vulnerability would be no surprise. but instead they reimplemented the thing bug-for-bug.
asciilifeform: and, afaik, no wp pin on any of them
asciilifeform: !s the air seller
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 22:05:36; asciilifeform: http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/FTDI-FT232RL-real-vs-fake-supereal << entirely different silicon. from this we learn!! that a) they copied it because usb id is charged for by rent-seeking scumz0rs b) winblows includes ftdi driver already. relationship with microshit. so chinese were forced into this.
asciilifeform: who said to keep it there, lol
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 513.11 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
nubbins`: last authed 08-13
asciilifeform: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=RECV << never authed?
mircea_popescu: no idea what the 502 guy is about.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lawsky i mean. the ny derp.
Apocalyptic: western europe too, (the nodes are chosen randomly so we don't have the same ones probably)
mircea_popescu: how can these dorks live like that.
kakobrekla: >Amen to that, entirely too many assholes in the cryptosphere these days. The entry barrier is no longer access to coins, or ability to mine. It is being able to deal with all the children and pricks that think they know it all and that their ideology are law.
BingoBoingo: Oh reddit agrees with mircea_popescu now, kind of https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k3jpe/lets_not_be_dicks_to_victims_of_bitcoin_theft/clhzgbd
fivezerotwo: Heh. Oh, I have another job now, but I'll be back at Qntra soon (^.^)
BingoBoingo: fivezerotwo: What, do you not like the new favicon?
mircea_popescu: one of the unsung heroes of bitcoin.
gribble: You rated user sturles on Sat Oct 29 01:49:37 2011, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: coupla deals over pp.
mircea_popescu: then it... evaporated.
bounce: also, git allows for generation of patches that're relatively easy to send over a ml then feed'em back to git.
bounce: <asciilifeform> which miners contain ftdi ? << no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if the typical USB miner's USB interface is exactly that. then again, maybe best leave that to miner programs.
kakobrekla confesses he misses nefario and prolly some others.
mircea_popescu: thing of it the good way : that much less log to read.
TheNewDeal: but they will remain mythical in my mind
TheNewDeal: someone once sent me a text file of the SD ipo
TheNewDeal: The pre-log logs
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal "this" ?
TheNewDeal: going to need a meme for this. It's not in the logs?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well honestly, back around .3.x the atmosphere was quite different. i dunno who or why would not patch when satoshi said patch.
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal idk there were several efforts made so far in that direction by various entities and i dont think anything came out of it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: it was the sort of mandate that only Satoshi or what USgavin wishes he was could push
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The story if I recall correctly was Satoshi said upgrade nao, and then later told everyone the patched vulnerability in pay to ip
mircea_popescu: am i entirely off base in my belief the habbo hotel thing is pretty much the last remaining, well known and well advertised child porn marketplace online ?
nubbins`: you will regret scrolling to the bottom
mircea_popescu: well good then
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> oh, also i nthe stupid pile : there used to exist a way to send coins by ip. it was a no-verification "tell me an address" special message. << killed in 0.3.x series. one of Satoshis later acts
TheNewDeal: kakobrekla has anything come of the pre-log logs allegedly held by Azelphur?
mircea_popescu: oh, also i nthe stupid pile : there used to exist a way to send coins by ip. it was a no-verification "tell me an address" special message.
nubbins`: i hope there'll still be enough to fill a book ;/
nubbins` cheers the continued gutting
asciilifeform: i know there were such.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also, was there a special command line thing to add ips ? connect and addnode persist in newer iterations
mircea_popescu: and is addr.txt still there ?
mircea_popescu: also, was there a special command line thing to add ips ?
asciilifeform: this one here's one of them hollow glass dildos
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mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin was written by the retarded
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asciilifeform: the 'randomize order in a deterministic way' thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just meant the timestamping.
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mircea_popescu: and btw, someone has to fix all the fucking magic number fest in the node discovery mechanism
asciilifeform: most of the planet, i suspect, has never seen a 'legit' winblows
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> does anyone give a rat's arse about builds other than 'unix' ? <<< makefile.osx is a steaming shit heap in 0.5.3 anyway. i'll offer a working one in the future if there's demand
bounce: though if you're going to toss qt then perhaps there's a case to drop the whole windows thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about it, they're prolly running pirated windows, too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and we are to help them?
bounce: the windows build is a mingw build, no? kinda useful to be able to build that from linux
mircea_popescu: certainly not outside the capabilities of the us, and a fine reason why stock bitcoin is not safe anyway.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the node discovery mechanism is a fucking hole of the first degree. all an attacker really needs to do is take control of the "last resort" ips and then supress "normal" peer discovery.
asciilifeform: does anyone give a rat's arse about builds other than 'unix' ?
asciilifeform: 'Oh that will not do, said Milder to Moulder / Oh what will you do then said Festel to Fose / Great guns and great cannon said John the Red Nose ... '
asciilifeform: what'll it be then
asciilifeform assumes everyone here has a copy of the src
mircea_popescu: o the fallbacks ?
mircea_popescu: course at some point it had a bug where it kept a hash of the signature and so you could change the message around if you had an older key.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov was it you who was making the mailing list gizmo ?
midnightmagic: hrm. there might be a k-of-n threshold split key now, it would make sense.
thestringpuller: theymos
midnightmagic: the key is held by gavin. satoshi still has it. i don't know who else. I don't think anyone else.
bounce: oh, nag people. oh well. guess I'll have to keep at it here then.
bounce: you need a keykeeper? what's the key do?
Apocalyptic: I've read from many sources thermos has it, but it could be wrong
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it was sirius not thermos no ?
mircea_popescu: that emergency messaging thing was more of a "let's bake a p2p messaging app into the core because you don't know what will happen and it may be needed."
mircea_popescu: a lot of questions i can answer atm i couldn't even properly form in 2011, and im sure im not the only one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a lot of this stuff is you know, "just in case"isms driven by the fact that a few years ago bitcoin was entirely a novel concept.
mircea_popescu: not particularly useful. i can live with my current key being used but would rather not and am definitely not making a different one.
asciilifeform: what use was there at any point for it?
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I guess there's no much use to it nowadays
asciilifeform: nubbins`: key for the mechanism which enabled bitcoind to nag users with warning text
mircea_popescu: no_imagination oversimplified. i mean... it's in the stuff you read, as short as it gets.
asciilifeform would rather it not be him. when he is killed key will fall into enemy hands.
no_imagination: mircea_popescu: read some of your stuff. is it fair to say you value BTC as a store of value and the rest is secondary?
asciilifeform: re: bitcoind liposuction: who's for nixing the 'alert' gizmo?
mircea_popescu: this is the imagination institute. welcome.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. <<< well they call anything "quantum" these days.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit, this linux thing is really not used by anyone, is it ? took until 2014 for someone to mash the prtscr key ?
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mircea_popescu: wow look at that, jurov's blog is not vulnerable to the wp reflected ddos thing
joecool: oh book on mobsters, i haven't managed to find a copy of the book that came out a couple years ago about samsung
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu speaking of travel plans, some close friends decided to GET MARRIED on the same weekend as the third conference. so ya.
pete_dushenski: maybe india'll be on the 2015 list
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu quite possibly. haven't been there yet to see
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The bathrooms.
pete_dushenski: i wonder where in the world bums shack up in public schools, hospitals, and other public buildings.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:i kinda suspect where bums sleep is indicative of societal notions << ya the libraries vs. banks discrepancy is telling.
joecool: artifexd: hm? i had used ibm and then lenovo thinkpads exclusively, up until today
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave. << beauty.
MosesEX: LIKE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TAX IT
MosesEX: DOES THE IRS OR FERDERAL GOVERNMENT HATE BITCOIN
MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin yes or no
MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin?
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: You said you had questions. Ask or you get the !down again.
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: They both suck.
MosesEX: those who die from ebola is because they were ordained to die from it
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kakobrekla: dunno not the vagina expert and lampelina is in bed.
asciilifeform: though i'm told that once in a while, when the planets align, an actual product is made on 'kickstarter'
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pete_dushenski: ^must be the same raymond from that trilema comment. everyone loved him too!
BingoBoingo: <artifexd> kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it. << apmd -C
kakobrekla: colors, the root of all evil.
pete_dushenski: jurov lol tis a theory.
artifexd: kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it.
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pete_dushenski: first things first: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/23/the-trade-offs-of-feminism/
midnightmagic: "It's about the same likelihood as that you would get spontaneously quantum teleported by tunnelling through solid wall, that's why such things just don't happen." <-- this is incorrect
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asciilifeform: 'FTDI's own web site says their chips are used in medical...'
BingoBoingo: Skipped those after first one broke in hours. The tiny trackpad used as a micro trackball was very functional though
asciilifeform does not own one, but recalls seeing photos, there's a normal 'blackberry' and an nsa board sandwiched under the battery
asciilifeform: afaik the only 'top seekreet'-approved Pnohe is 'blackberry sektera' (sp?)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, this is the one NSA approves of for gubmint work
asciilifeform: 'all but the laziest man' are now making 'avoid 3v1l surv31l4nc3111!' turdicles.
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kakobrekla: anyone want these atc i have ? maybe mpif takes em?
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mircea_popescu: xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike. <<< that's a whole new dimension to the entire "fuck you rich" discussion.
mircea_popescu: lmao these logs... nubbins` using cohen as an argument ?!
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IHB_: thanks for the mircea. last time i was in here was when i living in bangalore. you just published your response to the SEC and it was great.
mircea_popescu: so it turns out atheism is a non-prophet organisation.
mircea_popescu: yeah they have
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joecool: it's different than zombie process in other nix
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hadn't they implemented kill ?
bounce: stuck different from stuck processes on other unix?
nubbins`: force quit kicks ass over whatever the fuck you do in windows again
asciilifeform: also easier to do this with non-apple gizmos, where there is not an elaborate boobytrap chipset in there, to try to keep you from 'jailbreaking'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ask enthusiasts if there's any i/o support for it
mircea_popescu: incidentally, can you format the ipad, run debian on it ?
joecool: chinese killed the thinkpad though
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you can almost pretend it's a 'sun' or other weird ancient unixlike
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can perhaps guess what they were like, by the fact of having to ask the question
asciilifeform: two closed turds, and you'll use the one with no shell, no posix, no modern build system?
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> microshit-free. < id rather be apple free than ms free given only those 2 options. call me retarded or whatever dun care.
asciilifeform: ^ the busy signal in a u.s. pay phone (if you can still find one!) -- costs 0.50, and you'll find a 'nickel' in the coin return tray.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller here's one for you : what concert costs 45 cents ?
asciilifeform: that's literally the only thing going for it.
mats_cd03: better than the red delicious
asciilifeform: miners << is there any actual reason why an arbitrarily large miner should not choose to appear as a large number of arbitrarily small ones, from the network standpoint ?
mats_cd03: and they are godly
mats_cd03: anyway, on the subject of fruit
mircea_popescu: you dunno what the enemy is until mats_cd03 steals your .2 btc
asciilifeform: if the only enemy is ddos
mircea_popescu: not that safe to be a miner out there.
mircea_popescu: these are real problems derps are trying to solve.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: how one would even arrive at the idea of miner connected through tor?
mircea_popescu: don't knock it, it's what they use to make hambuger meat.
kakobrekla: well you control the privacy
midnightmagic: I just don't trust the coin control nor tx selection to pull the most-private from the unspent list is all. It is a bit more work to make decisions about it though
midnightmagic: mm.. dunno when they were introduced. it's been a while.
mircea_popescu: no he has a point, you can just make your own tx and forget the stock selection code
asciilifeform: 'A visitor received this implanted, false message today, promoting the market of certificates of authority and encryption. HTTPS fetishists are trying to coerce us into using the crappy security gambit. Ignore HTTPS monotheists. Online security promises are hokum. This is admitted on sec discussion fora. Pushers of HTTPS, Tor, crypto, secure drops are David Blaines.' (cryptome.)
jurov: 15033115709f0eb55674ebf5e79208bfb05a5745 bitcoin-0.5.3-linux.tar.gz << sha1 of the turd form there
kakobrekla wont run bitcoind without the 'coin control' patch
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole thing was a debate over whether it should be earliest or latest that still works. apparently earliest won
asciilifeform: what was the turd in 0.6 that made us stop short of it ?
punkman: also bums love to sleep next to ATMs, and they all have some kind of card that will open the door
asciilifeform: at any rate, just about any magnetic card with the right number of tracks (was it 3?) will open the gate.
kakobrekla: implication is that it must be the bank's < we also have such setups with but no such implication as atms are compatible over all banks
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2014 01:00:26; asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
undata wonders if the translation will butcher it
asciilifeform: banks 24/7 << story. where i live, you can walk into the vestibule of a bank (where the atm often lives, on 'bad streets') using a magnetic card. implication is that it must be the bank's - but this is false.
mircea_popescu: "the fact of acting outside any reason or motivation"
The20YearIRCloud: Around here they're on lockdown outside of normal business hours
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: are banks over there open 24/7, or access to parts?
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undata: I can't see how it could be any other way.
undata: mircea_popescu: again, anyone speaking about anything intends for the listener to be influenced by the content.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many social studies chicks fuck bums because they're bums.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: library is heated in the winter, cool in the summer, no one hassles the poor bomzh to buy anything
kakobrekla: guard the safes yo
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud amusingly, bums here mostly sleep in banks.
asciilifeform: (the figure above)
The20YearIRCloud: asciilifeform: is it that way around the world? I know it is here - bums everywhere at the library
undata: if only there were some way to cheaply stockpile and grant access to documents.
asciilifeform: i give the library tidbit as an example of what, in my mind, 'not living as rat' involves
mircea_popescu: like, the sort of people churning out "science" about stuff.
asciilifeform: 'once there was The People, terror gave it birth... once there was The People, and it made a Hell of Earth...' (kipling?)
asciilifeform: bounce: they used to at least let people into the libraries without membership (though could not check out books, or read - the now all - electronic - journals.) but the bums began to nest there.
mircea_popescu: be rich or stfu and work, science is not for "the people".
mircea_popescu: <undata> another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy. << only for the utilitarian/methodist/usretardian school of thought.
bounce: "free" as in part of the crushing tuitition debt package deal
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean it never is, i mean the noun is outside the domain of availability of the adjective. like a circle can't be heavy, 2d figures have no weight)
undata: another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy.
asciilifeform: (the university kind, that idiot college fauna get into for free)
undata: *everything* is stated with the implicit underlying statement that the worldview in which the statement was made is true.
undata: obviously someone thought it worth writing about the barrel or you wouldn't be saying so.
asciilifeform: here's a random example of what it costs to effectively think about problems in the physical sciences, without a Crown license.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the problem wih that approach is that it's literally indistinguishable from the tack of the 16yo kid in the video.