mircea_popescu: lol "visual basic for applications". "c for seafaring vessels. java for flowing liquids. ruby for rings". what the fuck is a language for, applications, right ? what the fuck else, gramas ?
mircea_popescu: microsoft just heard there's this thing "emacs" that has these things "macros" so they put a brick in their thing with MCRAO written on it.
mircea_popescu: excel has "macros" in the sense people trying to emulate my sex life through jacking off have lipstick on their balls.
undata: mircea_popescu: the effort that guy poured into learning excel "macros" or whatever their called could've been spent on lvl2 php
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: cazalla: http://www.dailydot.com/crime/silk-road-murder-charges-ross-ulbricht/ <<<< cazalla this totally needs all the research you can throw at it. what the fuck is the story there, they got raped on the "undercover" work ? how ? why ? major point loss for the omni-impotent usg.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TDWTF | Nov 5, 2008 ... The Daily What The Fuck. A website containing random IT stuff that make you go WTF. Dear god. This bastardised site looks like from TDWTF.
bounce: there's plenty of those in tdwtf, no need to imagine.
mircea_popescu: YOU CAN NOT USE ANY CLI STUFF. THAT BRINGS VIRUSES AND OTHER TERRORISTS
mircea_popescu: the previous one broke when we upgraded from excel 10"
mircea_popescu: "your job will be to write another leveldb to excel 11.2.5 translation tool
bounce: yes, the original had "you will be our dba"; also implying probably the only dedicated tech guy to work with the eggheads in analytics
ben_vulpes: impling "the" db
ben_vulpes: "the" dba
mircea_popescu: bounce: "we're looking for a junior database developer. you will also be our DBA. we do big data and require tsql skills. we're active in 80% of the country's hospitals. we're an entirely microsoft shop." -- this advert frightens me. <<< omfg holy shit.
mike_c: not the only time it happened from that address.
mircea_popescu is now curious what ppl are discussing, loads up the logs
kakobrekla: i own the incoming address
mike_c: somebody had on their ledger two amounts they owed that guy and their code made two outputs in the tx.
ziggamon: the topup method is for most cases a direct-to-mobile, bitrefill sends a request to the distributor, who then sends a request to the operator, and the user gets a nice sms saying ”your account was topped up”
ziggamon: when the service determins it to be sufficiently confirmed. figured I’d experiment with that. currently it happens at one confirmation, will be adjusted depending on feedback, fraud etc
bounce: the saddest thing is that the SI has quite a neat system in place already, but nobody deigns to use it.
RagnarDanneskjol: 'Topup is delivered the second the transaction clears' - how do you characterize a 'cleared' transaction and what method/process is used to fill the phone account
ziggamon: fair enough. yeah, there’s been a lot of talk about that. not super happy about the bits word, but I do think moving the decimal separator makes sense
undata: or at least that's where there was a lot of rabble regarding
bounce: probably not a good idea to invent new terms in support of catering to the stupid, causing more confusion
mike_c: to me it feels a bit confusing. i look at the price list and it says "for 10 usd pay this bits" and I really don't know how much I'm paying.
ziggamon: will make it optional eventually. the actual invoice shows the price in normal decimal bitcoin
ziggamon: it’s different for different countries. but markup is generally 10-20%. each supported operator has a pricelist that can be checked through the ”supported countries” bar
ziggamon: bounce: it’s a distributor for now. If we manage to get usage we’ll go straight to operators, and then prices will be much lower as well
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: did you produce a blob of Satoshi's writings on the crypto mailing list?
jurov: mircea_popescu: jurov's blog is not vulnerable to the wp reflected ddos thing << cuz it's not wp
bounce: "we're looking for a junior database developer. you will also be our DBA. we do big data and require tsql skills. we're active in 80% of the country's hospitals. we're an entirely microsoft shop." -- this advert frightens me.
mircea_popescu: punkman basically desperation is what they're smoking.
mircea_popescu: lol and how are they going to do that.
punkman: I wonder what these eutards are smoking
punkman: (without paywall http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/23/uk-european-commission-eu-budget-contribution)
punkman: "Eurostat arrived at the €2.1bn figure on the basis of new methods of calculating member states’ GNI since 1995, taking account of previously unreported or under-reported black economy elements, such as drug dealing and consumption or the sex industry."
assbot: Beware the Chinese FX reserve fall | FT Alphaville
cazalla: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/01.jpg << me thinks is is like too fucking much to scrool through. but anyway. <<< it is but i'd rather scroll 10 images than click 10, pdf is included anyway :P
asciilifeform has not read the subs, not sure about quality of translation
decimation: the uncertain money supply contributes to over-bidding of assets
asciilifeform: but the real treasure - unlimited free time - makes ion beam workstation look like a 'dollar store' souvenir.
asciilifeform: other - healthier folks - to bathtub for burial in cocaine.
BingoBoingo sometimes forgets abused Usians aspire towards more than 200 square feet and a flush toilet in their residence
decimation: apparently the boring train station that hosts successful business is 'racist', because it doesn't have an african corner or something
decimation: most of that tax is paid by kulaks, to fund programs that assault their dignity and liberty
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah even with the tax breaks above, a person is going to pay at least 30-40% tax
BingoBoingo: <decimation> one can depreciate the house to $0 over 30 years << One can depreciate house to a liability within a day
decimation: one can depreciate the house to $0 over 30 years
asciilifeform: at any rate, no sc4mz0r, he, i've no complaints. house does exactly what was printed on the tin.
decimation: the reason why this works out (even if the guy is losing money) is that real estate is favored by usg tax code
decimation: the general business strategy is to spend nothing on maintenance and maximize rent
decimation: the problem with renting homes in the us is that 99.99% of the 'landlords' are just some other chump with the mortgage
decimation: asciilifeform: has your landlord bothered you about your various 'hobbies'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's the problem
BingoBoingo: I mean even if must live in the bay area, Oakland is a place...
mircea_popescu: both in the 100k range, nowhere.
decimation: I bet the ohio state university library is as good or better than maryland, but it's also not near any cheap housing
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> how many volumes in ru or de in the topology section of the largest academic library in ohio? << At OSU prolly a lot and you can walk them out the door forever
decimation: yeah ascii I bet it's cheaper to ship there than to dc
decimation: asciilifeform: there's this guy in akron who is trying to run a 'startup' https://tiny-circuits.com/blog/
mircea_popescu: decimation owning "revenue streams" is not so unlike owning women, the original... stream.
asciilifeform: how many volumes in ru or de in the topology section of the largest academic library in ohio?
mircea_popescu: i'd rather raise children in chiapas than ohio.
decimation: right, but then I wouingld have to drive an hour to do... anyth
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: "independently wealthy" affectation too often to count << not hard to tell the fake perpetuum mobile - it sorta grinds to a halt at some point...
BingoBoingo: Seriously thoug Ohio is a place. The20YearIRCloud does well renting mud huts in the wastes of Ohio
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess it depends on whether decimation means by dependents any 16 yo kids like in the youtube vid.
mircea_popescu: then as a sense of familiarity develops, more of truth can be let out.
mircea_popescu: plenty of blogs start on that basis, which assuages the author's mindvoices long enough to write something
mircea_popescu: pretty much every whore i ever talked to readily identifies it in the field as mere pretense.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how well it applies, but i have seen this "independently wealthy" affectation too often to count, both online and off. it is usually the carpace of the shy, socialy awkward, intelligent young male.
decimation: asciilifeform: I was thinking about this today, you are right. it's fantastically expensive to feed and house yourself in the us, especially with dependents
asciilifeform: 'plan was to make some money in Silicon Valley and then retire as an independent scholar...' << notice, mr mold also didn't much care for arbeit macht frei.
decimation: he might have had the unwashed masses who followed him 'go to his head'
asciilifeform: he had, according to his confession at least, what turned out to be a battery rather than a perpetuum mobile.
mircea_popescu: is this like "i don't eat anything for as many as 20 hours a day, so i'm therefore anorexic" ?
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: The Mencius Moldbug Babysitting Fund
asciilifeform: (his 'fuckyoumoney' was, he said, actually just 'temporarily fuckyou' and had run through. his dependopotamus had birthed.)
BingoBoingo thinks TempleOS guy is best OS crackpot guy of the crowd shipping nao
asciilifeform: can't set the bozo bit on a fellow so quickly, i thought, esp. one who somehow begged/borrowed/stole enough free time to actually achieve something tangible
asciilifeform: there are not so many of us.
asciilifeform: i eagerly and secretly learned his languages from the scant posted notes and the system sources.
asciilifeform: until i realized this, following the work was actually enjoyable
asciilifeform: decimation: but he certainly sat in comp sci grad school long enough to suffer the braindamage which produced those monstrosities
asciilifeform: decimation: i'm willing to believe him where he swore to me that he never learned 'haskell', 'ml', or the like.
asciilifeform: decimation: actually i must disagree. i followed mr mold's project since the day i ferreted out the semi-public dump where he kept it
decimation: having to learn runes to read beowulf is one thing, acting as some weirdo's bitch is another
decimation: plus, the intentionally annoying 'language'
decimation: heh. I just got a destroyer, and after rebuilding the code about 5 times I said 'fuck this'
asciilifeform: i'm sorta glad he did the escapade, because those were the easiest four-and-half btc i ever made
decimation: probably with mr. theil's cash
asciilifeform: i'm also still, for some reason, on their mailing list, and mostly nothing has happened there in a while
assbot: Facebook pays INFINITELY MORE UK corp tax than in 2012 The Register
decimation: I'm sure when they are done with 'stealth mode' urbit will be awesome ;)
decimation: maybe they are in 'stealth mode'
decimation: he's apparently gotten himself roped into the silly-con valley circus (again)
mircea_popescu: by the way, is yarvin still writing or lives in memory only ?
decimation: a fact highlighted daily by bureaucrats and their media minions
asciilifeform: 'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"applause. "O!"an ovation. "O!!!"the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"'
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: maybe as a mercy gesture the prisons stock high-mercury mackerel << Heavy metal poisoning is slow
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe as a mercy gesture the prisons stock high-mercury mackerel
mircea_popescu: the content ain't that important.
decimation: well, there's no doubt that there's a megaphone attached to his lips, but what does he actually say anymore?
mircea_popescu: the president can't fade into irrelevance.
decimation: and will thus fade into irrelevance like the president and congress
gribble: Sadly, No! » Fuck the Fucking Supreme Court: <http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/39909>; This Better Not Be the Beginning of the End for Beards - Jezebel: <http://jezebel.com/this-better-not-be-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-beards-894969588>; Supreme Court Facial Hair | Josh Blackman's Blog: <http://joshblackman.com/blog/2013/11/05/supreme-court-facial-hair/>
asciilifeform: except that one must appreciate the kind of monsters methodist/puritans are. e.g., not only are various measures taken to prevent inmates from offing themselves, but those condemned to death are on 24/7 'suicide watch'.
mircea_popescu: they recently heard a case about fucking beards.
asciilifeform when read about this for the first time, wondered if some 'lifer' inmate will file a 'cruel and unusual punishment' claim against the u.s. department of prisons for potentially extending his lifespan and thus adding years to his sentence without a judge's say-so
decimation: "There's been a mackerel economy in federal prisons since about 2004, former inmates and some prison consultants say. That's when federal prisons prohibited smoking and, by default, the cigarette pack, which was the earlier gold standard."
BingoBoingo still feels warm fuzzies about winning the S.BBET over S.DICE bet win
decimation: they trade tins of sardines
thestringpuller: "You hold up MPEx and Satoshi Dice as successful businesses, and give them valuation in the millions of dollars. I mean, seriously, what is there to argue? I've already provided you evidence and reasons as to why the utter nonsense you're claiming is evidence for your arguments is false and you just keep providing the same nonsensical arguments over and over. BFL has sold tons of hardware, that is verifiable proo
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Inaba is BFL-PR
mircea_popescu: anyway, inaba is the original bfl forum shill / organiser of the original "bfl will deliver" scambets.
decimation: even the server version
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "we".
thestringpuller: "My point was that I have run and continue to run successful business(s) on the Bitcoin platform and yet somehow I've managed to do this without WOT... again shooting your theory to hell and gone." << Don't know what businesses he is talking about.
Apocalyptic: so it's either the noob gets the 6 right or gets only a subset, if the cardinal of this subset is low enough it doesn't help in any way
asciilifeform: as i understand, one's kaishakunin would typically be a respected teacher, who approves of you enough to take the risk of embarrassing himself by chopping incorrectly.
mircea_popescu: i like this right 6 theory
BingoBoingo: <Apocalyptic> <thestringpuller> 6 months thing hasn't changed either // should be 12 maybe << Nah it is the same six months, test is picking the right 6
decimation: he's the guy who witnesses right?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kaishakunin&defid=1111214 | Samurai Who Performs Kaishaku During Seppuku. The Kaishakunin Used A Katana Known As A Dotanuki.
asciilifeform: respect as in 'i wish this person to do the privilege of being my kaishakunin.'
asciilifeform: when i read 'shall be delivered', i knew virtually nothing about the author -- but instant respect, of the deepest kind.
decimation: fyi there's an increased chance of a severe geomagnetic storm happening in the next week or two
thestringpuller: 6 months thing hasn't changed either
mircea_popescu: re-reading that, incredible how little has changed since Nov 15, 2012. "get in the wot, read the logs"
BingoBoingo: Well not with Thermos for sure, probably not with his successor
mircea_popescu: and perhaps 5k posts or so, i forget the exact count, is not quite equal to that guy's usenet count.
BingoBoingo: Eh, when you write off a venue like bitcointalk as worthless, best to stand by that decision unless something material about the venue changes for the better.
mircea_popescu: anyway, basically she's a naggum without the ulcer.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yeah but the woman was slowly going insane. and really, today's poor aren't actually worth it. << Also the part where you stick by saying cares about that venue are over has its own value
asciilifeform: and the immortal...
asciilifeform read them all many times
thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/so-you-think-youre-going-to-start-a-bitcoin-business-right.73270/ << that's a good one
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: I think issuers got their lists
mircea_popescu: yeah but the woman was slowly going insane. and really, today's poor aren't actually worth it.
BingoBoingo: So is Thermos still holding GLBSE asset lists hostage?
asciilifeform misses the mpoepr essays
thestringpuller: paid to by mp to educate the masses
mircea_popescu: that's the immortal gambit, isn't it.
decimation: being an asshole is bad pr in the short run, but it's great for making history in the long run (if you are right)
mircea_popescu: yeah, like that asshole teacher that flunks the entire class, which is unfair, because THE ENTIRE CLASS
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is funny because of all the forum derps going "oh, mpoe-pr hates everything!!1"
asciilifeform: but did, sadly, actually have the concept in head, and did nothing useful with it
asciilifeform must admit for the record that he did not know about nanotube's 'wot'
thestringpuller: "And, what is far sadder, fools invariably show up, ready to part with their Bitcoins on their own free will. They give them up in exchange for promises, backed by nothing at all." << timeless
decimation: as I recall, reading about stan's encounter and further correspondence on that post is what interested me in this channel
mircea_popescu: "my sperm got is how they invented spermicide, bitch!"
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> but did anyone go to jail, get fined by sec, etc? << no.
gribble: Seventeen Moments of Spring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Moments_of_Spring>; 17 Moments of Spring - 1/12 - 1/7 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzOma9Pyv8>; Semnadtsat mgnoveniy vesny (TV Mini-Series 1973) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069628/>
asciilifeform: quite the polar opposite, in most ways
asciilifeform: other than being a fictional hero
decimation: I can't find it in the logs, you mentioned him months ago
decimation: asciilifeform: what was the name of that soviet agent who was like 'james bond'
asciilifeform: obligatory - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 << my first excretion on the subject, inspired by glbse
TheNewDeal: all the talk about old people and namworld runs off?
asciilifeform: (unless they fail to play ball at some point)
thestringpuller: PatrickHarnett: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=PatrickHarnett&sign=ANY&type=RECV ; Kludge the banker: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=PatrickHarnett&sign=ANY&type=RECV
thestringpuller: and wow some of the names that pop up when you go back in time
gribble: User 'nefario', with keyid 28DD49E2A68F4B7C, fingerprint 03B47461C1E526576917215728DD49E2A68F4B7C, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Jul 12 02:17:47 2011, last authed on Thu Sep 27 07:05:00 2012. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=nefario . Currently not authenticated.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Nefario: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Nefario | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Nefario | Rated since: Tue Jul 12 22:55:49 2011
TheNewDeal: ok I understand James McCarthy took the hit for glbse, and got banished to his parents basement for eternity
mircea_popescu: decimation you can't register X "foundation" aganst the owner of X.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that'll be the day trademark enforceability ends.
asciilifeform: that'll be the day.
mircea_popescu: i even said in the log, a year or so ago, now it will be bought off a bankruptcy auction
mircea_popescu: bewcause the fucktards in question decided it's best to give it to a "safe company"
asciilifeform: who, if anyone, owns the meatspace trademarks anyway ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yeah ?
assbot: 1 results for 'the problem of enforcement' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+problem+of+enforcement
asciilifeform: !s the problem of enforcement
gribble: Scammer tag : Nefario, theymos, others known and unknown - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/>; Octombrie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/10>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
mircea_popescu: the only way to avoid this is being in my wot. which the derps in question are not. so therefore they do not exist.
TheNewDeal: did anyone else (like goat or theymos) get in trouble a la http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as/ ?
mircea_popescu: i personally don't give a shit. my thinking is, if im making a backloading hoe, i shall name my backloading hoe a backloading hoe. sure, someone may or may not exist figuring his hoe is THE backloading hoe. this does not interest me. if he has already built a "backhoe loading palace" or not, if and when i feel like building a backhoe loading palace, i shall call it... guess ?
asciilifeform: the current phoundation rolls in coin of mysterious (or not-so-mysterious) origin, this powers a certain amount of 'loud shout' idiocy
decimation: copyrast lol http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/24/remember_aereo_no_well_its_pretty_much_dead_now/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that is, the ridiculous meatspace org thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the name collision gambit - how far to take it? are we to carry on the entire papal court thing?
decimation: one might be able to pinpoint the generation of a new block
asciilifeform: what kind of secret, exactly, is the existence of a node ?
decimation: asciilifeform: I can think of a use for a collection of zombie nodes: discover other nodes and relay transactions
asciilifeform: there's a fat arse parked at rome already
mircea_popescu: no, we are going for the roman papacy.
mircea_popescu: without this, they have no motivation.
mircea_popescu: this is how derps learn. by finding themselves in a situation where the people they aim to impress laugh at their cluelessness.
mircea_popescu: the idea is for people to be able to go "i support the bitcoin foundation" and for derps to go oh, this thing ? and for people to lol superiorly at their cluelessness.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, creating confusion with the current bitcoin foundation is the best thing that can happen, short of the entire group of shitheads spontaenously combusting in a flame of shit.
mircea_popescu: the confusion thus created is positive. it's the confusion that precedes the move from sheer idiocy to sanity.
mircea_popescu: like for instance, when a 16 yo gets her first boyfriend, who is an alcoholic shithead,
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's good confusion and bad confusion.
asciilifeform: and is there a name, anyway?
asciilifeform: tripped the alarm?
decimation: I might contribute a patch or two if the ball is rolling
decimation: well, I like the idea of taking back 'bitcoin foundation', but I find it likely to confuse
decimation: last night it occured to me - what if someone took over a botnet and then used it to - create bitcoin nodes
mircea_popescu: and that specifically includes "the countries", ie, governments and their minions. it doth not include "the people" as such.
decimation: I guess the important part is that bureaucrats keep their jobs, not that owners keep their property
decimation: I can't see how normal people see this anything other than bureaucrats covering themselves, rather than doing anything in 'the people's' interest
mircea_popescu: the only crime is working for a government.
decimation: yeah, that's over the top
mircea_popescu: the cheek of them fuckers, anyway. so wait, governments hacking individual phones is a ok, individuals exposing the lies of governments is life in prison ?
decimation: yeah it's more american than the us
mircea_popescu: the uk is such a lulzfest by now.
decimation: I assume that's the phrase you were referencing mircea
decimation: did you guys see the uk law idea balloon? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/serious_crime_bill_computer_misuse_national_security_life_in_prison/
decimation: it certainly seems to me that any owner of the chinese copies has a good basis for a lawsuit
mircea_popescu: thus the hack makes the sane implementation null itself and fixes the checksum too, while the original ignores both operations because not two bytes involved.
mircea_popescu: decimation the original only writes bytes in pair. sane implementation write bytes as presented
decimation: but presumably the reimplemented devices are 'close enough' for the standard ftdi driver to work?
BingoBoingo: decimation: None of the clones are actual duplicates, they just "borrow" scarce usb id number