Mikayla: managed to find an angle without the eerie witch look
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja get the 'git' crud out?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i can drop me turd there
mircea_popescu: so the data is in, my .5.x copies from early 2013 do not match the shas of the stuff available for download now, but if you diff the source it does match.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also i seem to be the only one here (afaik) with a 100 % working build setup...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: what else do you want to do to the thing? << yeah this question scares me too.
asciilifeform: tor exe diddler finally caught in the wild
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: smooth and hairless like the ones posted?
asciilifeform: http://www.leviathansecurity.com/blog/the-case-of-the-modified-binaries << thanks to diametric
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i've seen fat guys with really big tits...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: Mikayla: your tits prove otherwise?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like this shit done, so six month from now i can get the damned book.
jurov: mircea_popescu: but the problem is, how to compute bitcoin address from it without exposing privkey to electronics
mircea_popescu: mike_c: argv isn't the best cross-process communication strategy. <<< this is true. and at least the best debugged anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didja read the thing ? it ain't cruft.
Mikayla: do you want clear quality to as the image?
mod6: to outline the foundations mission
asciilifeform: mod6: why we need the charter thing, again ?
mircea_popescu: so do it tomorrow in the sun, this place isn't going anywhere.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: Problem with btc options is the convexity <<< prolly the largest, right after "no actual spot"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: just do it how MP did it <<< wiser words were never spoken :)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal that's a different one.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla none of the previous girls died of face exposure so far.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla do you see the girls in the article ? they are clearly visible in good light. your thing looks is neither.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pi | Pi is an irrational number (meaning the digits never end or have a repeating pattern) that is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter...this ratio is a ...
undata: maybe a pi image could be built which would help with the "by hand" calculations?
assbot: Church-Turing Thesis -- from Wolfram MathWorld
jurov: btw this is actually good food for thought - is there a process one can cryptograpically safely *on paper* generate public key (btc address) from private key?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the shitgnomes glued it in, to learn how, read source
mircea_popescu: im going through the logs nao
davout: asciilifeform undata it's the best way to remove any kind of prng from the key-generation process
asciilifeform: davout, undata: rng is used at other times also.
davout: undata: dice + wordlist, use the pi to transform the passphrase into something you can send coins to
undata: asciilifeform: that however would do the idea in for sure.
jurov: Mikayla: because there is no official exchange rate
Mikayla: in the same currency
Mikayla: ben_vulpes they show different values
ben_vulpes: thermal printing's durable?
undata: ben_vulpes: oh hey, btw. I will at some point use a fresh pi and thermal printer to print some paper wallets, then destroy the pi
jurov: Mikayla how do they looks suspect? can you explain an example?
ben_vulpes: this is a pretty funny conversation given the previous conversations about noobs and bitcoin
undata: surely there's a trilema bootstrapping post
Mikayla: opening all the links thanks
TheNewDeal: I think bitcoin.org explains the differences
jurov: Mikayla: it's best to try them all
Mikayla: I would like to open a bit wallet but not sure about the links I see online. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance
asciilifeform: even the humble unix 'patch' utility - was not designed from birth for keeping the world small, 'fits in head'
asciilifeform: this is yet another case of compounding failure.
bounce: could argue it's an oversight in patch. for collaboration it's still better to show what's being done than to just say "stuff got deleted" ('yes, but what then?')
bounce: asciilifeform: by the by, you familiar with "patch -u"? though there's really no shortcut for "delete this file", you still get to see the whole of what is being deleted even if it is the entire file.
mike_c: if it gets hacked.. well, then you should create a new wallet for privacy.
asciilifeform: there is no reason for it, ever
asciilifeform: but the vs crap is gone.
jurov: and electrum can do the watching without privkeys, too
mike_c: the only thing i use bitcoin on windows for is watching wallets.
mike_c: perhaps there is no use case.
ben_vulpes: win32 stuff isn't necessary to run the thing under cygwin, correct?
mod6: someone could make a worthy ui to interact with the baseline b-a bitcoind. then qt is out of core, and lives in someother project.
thestringpuller: they could always use multibit!
ben_vulpes: if qt's nixed, the average user's nixed as well.
mike_c: mhm. perhaps the average windows user gets the fuck out of b-a, but kicking them out of bitcoin seems a bit much.
ben_vulpes: gets the fuck out of bitcoin.
mike_c: because what is the average windows bitcoin user supposed to use now? the foundation binary?
asciilifeform: so can we zap the win32 crap?
asciilifeform: one of you weirdos wanted the thing buildable under it
ben_vulpes: why even bother with windows?
asciilifeform: there is no reason ever to use it - for anything
asciilifeform: the ms vc liquishit is to be burned as well.
asciilifeform: first the basic delousing.
ben_vulpes: well asciilifeform if you're willing to perform the surgery do it. otherwise, it'll have to wait right?
asciilifeform: jurov: doesn't operate in expected way, no, then
jurov: if you snip off the blockchain so that it just relates transactions, then most of the complexity goes away
asciilifeform: so far, only those removals which do not require something built in their stead.
asciilifeform: what i personally would like is: the smallest subset of the satoshi turdball that will still operate on the network in the customary way.
jurov: yup. i am in, only it will take few days till i'll do the gpg-only mailman and assure myself it can go online
ben_vulpes: what else do you want to do to the thing?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this has exactly zero effect on the build - no sane person builds with those flags anyway
ben_vulpes: as much as i'd like it gone, i'd also like something in the wild before the stoolies attempt to fork.
asciilifeform: nah, the good kind of work. the kind for which arbeit macht frei leaves precious little time.
asciilifeform: there - signals
mike_c: argv isn't the best cross-process communication strategy.
jurov: asciilifeform: how do you want to communicate with the daemon?
asciilifeform: am i the only one who wants that thing gone?
ben_vulpes: at some point calling bitcoind cli args started talking to the json rpc api
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, jurov, ben_vulpes, decimation, (who else?) --- is there a reason to keep the json rpc apparatus in bitcoind ? imho all of its functions can be carried out by crafted command line arguments and parsing stdout...
TheNewDeal: Problem with btc options is the convexity
TheNewDeal: Theyre exremely useful for cash delivery
TheNewDeal: Ide consider going up to 10, for the right price
wywialm: re: quoting. i imagined that if usd is the currency at, say, CBOE, and they quote options in usd, and here the currency is btc, we should quote options on eur or usd in btc and in usdbtc exchange rate :)
wywialm: yes, i would - as i said i would even consider 60 days, but then it wouldn't be much of unit testing
los_pantalones: yeah, worrying about the width as a % of the underlying is not a bad way to look at things
TheNewDeal: If i were to write a call for a stock option. It would be quoted in stock/usd not the other way around
wywialm: now usd is approx. 0.002788 btc per 1 usd, if strike for put is 0.0025 then if usd is lower than that you pay me (usdbtc_rate - 0.0025) x notional_quantity, am i right?
thestringpuller: the above is all in USD
thestringpuller: or the opposite depending on call/put
thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: ( strike - market price ) / market price
wywialm: TheNewDeal, it would be the case if the options were on usd (that is approximately what i have in mind).
TheNewDeal: Would it just be the differnce of (actual - strike) convertes into btc at current rate?
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, Mikayla will be back tomorrow after I've explained process further
wywialm: i might ask in name of mp, if i'm wrong he certainly will correct me - the options were on btcusd exchange rate and thus delivered 1 btc.
asciilifeform: CPE being 'customer premise equipment' - the modem orifices in question
asciilifeform: rushed aside the serious espionage implications of having backdoors in CPE; believing that -- for whatever reason -- everyone has a right to choose what software is running on electronic equipment installed in their own home or office. Nevertheless, I am expected to appear in court in a couple of weeks...'
asciilifeform: 'During the police interview -- both in the "informal chat" before the official interview itself, and during that formal tape-recording grilling -- I was probed by detectives on topics quite unrelated to my arrest. In wholly irrelevant circumstances, I was grilled over my role in "unlocking" these CPE, and in my motives for doing so. Not in any way relevant to the accusations filed against me. In interview, I b
asciilifeform: dia storage devices, and paperwork was seized. The actual grounds for my arrest was cited as "harassment". This concerned a suspected fake news story that had been exposed on my blog.'
asciilifeform: '...This ELA technique is used to visually detect any conflicting compression levels in an "photo"; indicating composite fakery in an image... On 19 June 2014, in relation to discoveries published on my media fakery blog, my home in Shropshire was raided by six police/intelligence officers; only two of whom identified themselves. An undocumented quantity of electronics equipment, including modems, computers, me
wywialm: los_pantalones, TheNewDeal thanks anyway for your offers
HeySteve: k I am running a trial at the moment, fish eating it
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: I really want to do it if/when I get property in the country
The20YearIRCloud: Akron/Canton is run by the mob
The20YearIRCloud: But not as bad as detroit, and Ohio has a pretty great senate/house that keeps the rest of the state from turning into a cesspool.
The20YearIRCloud: It's been pretty close to there for a while. Cleveland is extraordinarily poorly managed
thestringpuller: The20YearIRCloud: you're from Ohio?
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: main problem with these huts is that the only industry for the occupants to work in is meth production.
The20YearIRCloud: BingoBoingo: don't bash our Ohio mudhuts. They're 10x nicer than what Europeans call 'homes'
TheNewDeal: Were going to flip the terminology
wywialm: yeah, of course you are right, i should "deliver" (btc settlement) the quantity in case of put
TheNewDeal: If i sell you the opportunity to purchase btc at 400, im selling a call
TheNewDeal: Yes, but give me the contract terms
HeySteve: there is Mikayla, picpaste or imgur work fine
Mikayla: unless there is a place where I can link such a photo to
mircea_popescu: Mikayla and we gotta be able to tell it's you, that's the whole idea.
wywialm: ok, TheNewDeal, what would be your price? would you deliver SEPA? let's say 100 EUR, strike 0.32 per 100 EUR, premium 0.04 btc?
Mikayla: if it's even still there
Mikayla: I don't have nude shots on the web?
mircea_popescu: "Has previously posted nudie selfshots on the web. You will be required to prove this by supplying a link.".
mircea_popescu: Mikayla as per a, link to your previous work, then i'll give you a string you can take your pic.
asciilifeform looks in here and it's... actually on topic! bitcoin, assets. rich folks playing mathematical games.
mircea_popescu: wywialm you gotta appreciate business people keep chicks around a special room for the sole purpose of sending out mail and keeping track of mail and taking the cock. and they are paid a salary, and that's then taxed.
mircea_popescu: what's a wire these days, like 50 plus whatever admin costs on one's side ?
TheNewDeal: Charge would be more than the fee
wywialm: i'd like to test if it is feasible have fiat delivered - that's why the form, i have not yet traded options on WoT that's why so small
wywialm: TheNewDeal yes
los_pantalones: first glance, too small for my interests but i'll look at the terms a bit more
wywialm: ok, then. for start i would buy put option, delivering 100$ unescrowed, as a sort of unit test, at 0.25 btc per 100$ strike, i offer 0.03 btc, matures in 21 days. is it ok, los_pantalones or TheNewDeal?
wywialm: TheNewDeal, you mean options?
wywialm: i can't see any reference to options or futures there
mircea_popescu: a nm then
mircea_popescu: i had nfi they do anything besides grains anyway
los_pantalones: but i'm not sure it's the contract you want
los_pantalones: they have a 12/31 expiry option, would fit your time frame pretty well
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: could've sworn i had others, but no dice, must've actually cleaned disk at one point
mircea_popescu: so i guess you can pay the 80 in btc at whatever current prevailing rate.
mircea_popescu: if only there was some sort of spot that wasn't a total fucking joke.
los_pantalones: alright, ty for the stamp of approval
mircea_popescu: o the spread. ic.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones interesting quoting, and he can pick whether he wants 60 or 80 ? :D
asciilifeform: unrelated - is the standard unix 'patch' util braindamaged, or am i? specifically, the ludicrously elephantine output when deleting files
los_pantalones: and where would you want to trade them ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this the school arguingit was really ebola ?
mircea_popescu: wywialm yeah but wanting someone to make a custom thing for you rather than just using something already in place takes you from a few btcs to a few thousand btcs volume you know.
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asciilifeform: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17223184.000-did-bubonic-plague-really-cause-the-black-death.html << linked this a few days ago
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: interdasting notion, but i'm taking like 3 things into production over the next month and can't handle the overhead.
mircea_popescu: wywialm anyway, talk to los_pantalones, he might write something but i doubt you'll want the premium.
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mircea_popescu: what do california, subsaharan africa and the poorest parts of india have in common ?
wywialm: mike_c, it's actually simpler than options on btc/usd rate. if you properly treat btc as the center of this financial universe, the usd and eur are foreign assets and they should be deliverd
kakobrekla: the worst part!
mike_c: and the customer service!
wywialm: i'll see the bit4x.com. kakobrekla: i'm precisely in the process of looking for such trustworthy person :)
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 18:12:54; los_pantalones: long puts, no matter the market
mircea_popescu: which somehow isn't in there it seems.
mircea_popescu: bounce google came up with the fucktarded idea of basically replacing their algorithm with a by-hand list (yeah, just at the top, which is like saying "just where it matters"). as a result, all sorts of shitholes like facebook, wikipedia etc are basically google spam repositories.
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mircea_popescu: i can understand caching an answer. but caching a nonanswer ? who the fuck is the bright excel spreadsheet that came up with that idea.
ben_vulpes: so yes then
mircea_popescu: and mireille d'arc is the hottie soubrette soumise from le grand restaurant
mircea_popescu: pierre richard got the derpy cool.
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mircea_popescu: it's really pretty heavy duty trollage of the gay community by mainstream hot topic teenagers. think about it, what if all the chicks in discos were really trannies.
ben_vulpes: "these kids have no idea what it meant to be gay even a decade ago!"
mircea_popescu: i dunno, but the complaint of all the actual faggots i know in the us is that "all the kids pretending like they're gay make life impossible"
bounce: as in happy. these are supposed to be happy stories.
mircea_popescu: jurov actually, trent the GAY bored math grad student hipster would be even better.
bounce: argl. s/ck/q/ but the damage is done now anyway
bounce: oh, stick me with the blame, why don't you
jurov: ;;google trent, the bored math grad hipster
mircea_popescu: the bored hipster grad student.
mircea_popescu: sorta like fuck-welfare, you get laid, govt picks up the bill.
mircea_popescu: well generally the women fancying the fuck were young hussies, the people owning the place/jools not young hussies, so it works out eh ?
mircea_popescu: allegedly womenz left the door unlocked because fancied a fuck. so then he;'d also rob the place.
mircea_popescu: that's the definition of hipsterism.
bounce: trent, the bored math grad hipster
jurov: another system would mess with my perception
mircea_popescu: pity there's not more hipser listening in on -assets, this could be the new bored math grad student trent
mircea_popescu: jurov still, i don't believe there's enough day to day humiliation for alleged females with cupsizes under c.
mircea_popescu: god's scale, because it allows you to integrate everyday important stuff like the atomcount on a planet.
mircea_popescu: anyway, logical scale, if you must have it log for fine-ness : 10**0 orign, then 10**1, 10**3, 10**5, 10**9, 10**13, 10**17, 20**21, then 10**29 and add 8 seven more times so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rounded corners therefore your argument is ivalid.
jurov: lol you remember the onscreen ruler app? with zoom function?
asciilifeform: in the apocalyptic dark future of kello kitty (TM) - the billion iPnohes may not power up, but they'll remain the same size... somehow people forget that the planet is cluttered up with a nearly-bottomless supply of objects of very exactly known sizes.
jurov: and i'm not convinced about inches, too.. everyone still has to check their size anyway before using it
mircea_popescu: me either.
mircea_popescu: i gotta see one of these beers marked in dl.
jurov: if i knew my feet are of size 27cm then i could measure accurately
jurov: that's just because there are entrenched foot sizes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is some value to that, amusingly, in exactly an end-of-world context. because you can measure feet and inches without rulers better than you can measure cms.
bounce: gives a good range and is still fine grained for the ones more often in use. not nonsense to me.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the use case is mostly not for your phone. you are in US and topping up mom's phone in mexico.
mircea_popescu: bounce talk about nonsense in standards, right. "oh, single digit then three digit. because fatlogic."
jurov: 10000 satoshi shall be named mircibitcoin and 100 popescibitcoin in the honor of...
mircea_popescu: basically, 1`000, 1`000`000, 1`000`000`000 is bullshit whereas 100, 10`000, 1`000`000, 100`000`000 is where it's at is the idea.
mircea_popescu: jurov thing is, since all of eu is basically supplied by a british and a french operator, france is good enough, just buy orange there.
ziggamon: bounce: not yet, slow launching now, here, on my personal FB/twitter and such. but I’ve gotten a few orders from around the world already and everything seems to be working. will be doing more promotion during the weekend
mircea_popescu: as discussed http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/#footnote_4_47551 because trilema, again a year ahead of public discourse in the space.
ziggamon: the goal is, with enough usage I’ll be able to negotiate better prices from the distributor, and eventually set up agreements with operators directly, only then will it be competitive with the kiosk
ziggamon: mircea_popescu: You are right about the fees. Use cases are sometimes people want to do it online and now they can. Fees are lower than equivalent services that take credit card. Also there is a remittance use case for bitcoiners.
kakobrekla: theres france
jurov: but then i'm 100% sure it doesn't have eu in the list anyway. there were such services before.
jurov: in the EU? that's not so easy
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jurov: mircea_popescu anonimity for the poor
mircea_popescu: ziggamon: its different for different countries. but markup is generally 10-20%. << what i don't get is, most countries have local shops that even give discount. why would someone pay a premium ? what's the usecase like ?
bounce: that was entirely true to form: they announced they'd do it. everybody assumed it'd be bodged all to hell and back again. they released it. someone figured out a virus for it. [x] bodging confirmed.
bounce has so far successfully avoided more understanding than to look away in a hurry as soon as anything like it comes into view, so can't help you there. so not sorry.
mircea_popescu: jurov does it have cell-aware goto ? so could you write a basic program in a 2d array that's the excel spreadshit ?