asciilifeform: and no need for bdb, boost, turdolate on other box
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gonna meld pinentry in there too ?
asciilifeform: the correct solution is that (now unix-only) turdcoind will listen on a tty. serial tty.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform mod6 actually, could it be made to work so as to simply spit specified streams as it runs ? << not 100% positive but it seems that some of the debug stuff almost does that when turned on fully.
mod6: they're all rpc args it looks like
asciilifeform: mod6: check out what the command line cmds actually do in 0.5.3
mod6: so slashing out rpc coudln't have possibly been that easy. but it compiled and ran fine, it seems, just no way to get info without re-adding these options as command line args. that might take some time.
asciilifeform: i suppose i should've thrown that in there.
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform is actually rather sure that 'boost' itself leaks. << oh shit you know what that's prolly it.
mircea_popescu: get in the wot, eh.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: tried building the turd from earlier? << got started, ran out of bandwidth in dive bar
decimation: the other day I was testing a pile of python code that was driving hardware, and I wanted to just skip X lines
asciilifeform is actually rather sure that 'boost' itself leaks.
decimation: I like the templeos guy, he has a fixed number of lines of code for his project, and wants to make it smaller
asciilifeform: because the only genuinely curative pill is: fits-in-head.
asciilifeform: i always hated the emphasis on those
decimation: that guy who inspected the toyota embedded computer had a whole lecture on code coverage/testing/complexity tools
asciilifeform must note that there is only so much turdsmithing he is willing to do without a good reason.
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mike_c: i think we ended up in the same ballpark
decimation: asciilifeform: is that a picture of stierlitz in the upper right of the anti-soviet-portrayals-of-hollywood image you linked? if so, hilarious
mircea_popescu: because the contract is written that way
mircea_popescu: the share is designed so as to work an interesting way.
PeterL: feedback loops make it hard to get a good number for the future
mircea_popescu: for instance : the more popular/relevant/powerful it becomes, the more likely it is to attract share buyers, authors and income. all three.
mircea_popescu: course i think the most interesting thing in there will be the nonlinear effects due to the numerous feedback loops.
mircea_popescu: PeterL "Then in 10 months there will be 1`000`000 shares and the share number will be inflating at, if the paper makes 0.1 btc profit that month and the shares trade at 10 P/E, then the price will be 0.000012 per share. " << something missing in there ?
mircea_popescu: the logics in here are fabulous.
mircea_popescu: thats anywhere near sane. These sick dirt-bags had wires twisted in their heads, and they were frustrated, but they werent Muslims."
mircea_popescu: "A lot of people follow their own faiths. Most were indoctrinated since birth. That makes it very easy to believe the dogma. Yet, how in anybodys right mind could they, as an adult, suddenly be told that the magic man in the sky says you need to start wearing a dress (even though youre a dude), put your face on the ground five times a day and pray, and oh yeah, kill all the non-believers? Not happening to anybody
asciilifeform only really hot and bothered for one patch (beyond all the chopping) - split off private key operations to $redacted machine connected via optoisolator.
asciilifeform: as in the seed nodes
asciilifeform: them
asciilifeform hopes that folks have the sense to think about the merits of the approach, rather than simply start doing it
mod6: hehe forgot that the host i'm on is new. needed the libs that ben_vulpes listed in his script.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tried building the turd from earlier?
asciilifeform: nowhere. watched the film clip
jurov: gotta go, tmrw waking early and afk most of the day
asciilifeform: then - hunt gremlins.
mod6: yeah, im havin the same problem.
asciilifeform invites everyone still awake to read patch, see if 'chef chopped the wrong carrot'
asciilifeform: there we go.
jurov: now they are identical
asciilifeform: what more useful thing could there be, than correct instructions.
asciilifeform: i have, as some may know, other projects
asciilifeform: or simply in a mail-to-other-folks process
asciilifeform: jurov's gadget, if he follows this suggestion, will be such that patch can be mailed to it, and if signature (must be detached, because gpg mutilates the plaintext otherwise...) passes, includes patch in a build process
mircea_popescu: anyway, why bother with a ban ? let him be ground into either a shape or nothingness.
mircea_popescu: remarkable, the guy's patience.
jurov: any trick how do i clean the sources to leave only what's in manifest?
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'chicken', if built, should produce a binary bitwise identical with original.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, it was there.
WhiteCrane: is it possible to get bitcoin money the ski mask way?
asciilifeform: ^ the gods love a joke
mircea_popescu: can't we put some pngs in there or something ? .o files ?
mircea_popescu: these soviet jokes...
mircea_popescu: bounce nah they pay into it five bux or w/e each time they get a ss check, and then get a loan once a year to replace the washing machine or w/e
ben_vulpes: it doesn't help, but not having the intake hole hurts.
jurov: to bellyfeel the serenissima
asciilifeform: say mr putin drops 10000 btc in the piggy
mircea_popescu: generally the idea is to spend none, or else with very high roi.
mircea_popescu: bounce so that people who don't have the time or the skills to contribute can still contribute.
bounce: "there be dragons" is maybe a little weak in this context.
mircea_popescu: jurov the cockfest rules clearly say that no foundation can grow past 3 members unless it involves a good looking woman.
ben_vulpes: i'll just sit here and have the culture attached in my lap please
jurov: we need cultural attachee then... any nominations?
mircea_popescu: generally, once there's a pile of money, stupid ways to waste it can be devised.
mircea_popescu: The Soldering Soldiers - Anal Annealing Volume 8
ben_vulpes: mpex's paid enough to the worthy ladies already
mircea_popescu: what's that mean, keep ear on pubis to detect internal queefs if and as they happen ?
ben_vulpes: treasurer's duty's to audit the booty
mircea_popescu: no, but bang the wedded whores.
ben_vulpes: wed the banging whores?
mircea_popescu: widding the binning wars!
mike_c: just trying to win the bidding war
ben_vulpes: you're in the big zone mike_c :P
ben_vulpes: nfi really either
mircea_popescu: maybe pay chicks to do lapdances for coder ppls reading the scipt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe buy you a complimentary book copy of the code ?
jurov: can they ask from treasury, too?
mircea_popescu: o, stan's work and the foundation are unrelated
mircea_popescu: except if they order more than you got, in which case you throw an exception
mircea_popescu: well they order it and you pay it
jurov: moment i want to have a clue how we eventually switch to dispensing from the treasury
asciilifeform: then i can be responsible for drinking it
ben_vulpes: if there are donations, someone must be responsible for said donations.
ben_vulpes: ...to the forum
ben_vulpes: jurov and i bring a pm regarding treasury duties for a theoretical -assets foundation
Duffer1: they will eventually i'm sure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the joke being how your " kick off 'bitcoin' tree" is genesis-y
mircea_popescu: make sure you include adequately quotable quote in there.
asciilifeform will kick off 'bitcoin' tree by posting manifest of subset of original tree with turdlets snipped. anyone who wants to determine that these, in fact, came from original tarball, can do his own homework.
mircea_popescu: lol "o let's sell all these <<confiscated>> coins"
mircea_popescu: the practical problem, that is.
mircea_popescu: i srsly don't see the problem with a patched diff.
asciilifeform: that any system where the 'patient' sees a blurred boundary between the trivial and the absolutely impossible - will produce the learned helplessness.
asciilifeform: everybody's read of the old experiments with the dogs, the electrically-boobytrapped floor of the cages, and 'learned helplessness'
jurov: ok, so script then...
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asciilifeform: with one of them 2MB?!!!
assbot: Modern medicine and the benefits of democracy pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/modern-medicine-and-the-benefits-of-democracy/ << this piece is guaranteed to get you thinking.
asciilifeform: if we have a meg of extraneous turd in a diff, then we're in 'infinity' in the one, two, three, infinity hierarchy of being.
asciilifeform: short as in - not much more than levenshtein distance between the trees.
ben_vulpes: people committing binaries are also using Github or other tools that paper over the horror.
asciilifeform: what do the diffs end up looking like?
asciilifeform: 'don't commit binaries' - where do people keep bitmaps? up their arses?
ben_vulpes: "diff and patch can't handle binaries. so don't commit them, duh."
mircea_popescu: yeah you don't understand how the world works.
asciilifeform: don't believe? search the net.
asciilifeform: incidentally, there's a larger lesson here. folks have been using 'version control' gizmos for so long, that approximately no one even notices that 'diff' is broken.
asciilifeform: on their own hides.
asciilifeform: did not expect easy. in fact, undertook this exercise partly from ulterior motive to demonstrate the sheer amount of braindamage.
asciilifeform: or no sane man with skin in the game will use it.
asciilifeform: no manual monkey business, nothing specified 'in human language' other than 'run this like so.'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, others: you must appreciate why this is necessary. it is direly important. our patch set must start with a known, traditional tree, and end with the end product.
mircea_popescu: there's some derivatives tho iirc.
cazalla: i mean, i could masquerade of having some understanding and write something up but i'd rather not
asciilifeform: without having to specify the contents!
cazalla: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/BTAgent-cpe-backdoor.htm <<< this shit's pretty insane. cazalla i think we want to show some support ? <<< BB better suited to these leads
cazalla: jurov: cazalla how is cryptomoneyexpo different from all the other chumpferences? <<< it's not, it's a bunch of friends using bots to fill up their habbo hotel to bang coinfire outta 10k
cazalla: mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: cazalla: http://www.dailydot.com/crime/silk-road-murder-charges-ross-ulbricht/ <<<< cazalla this totally needs all the research you can throw at it. what the fuck is the story there, they got raped on the "undercover" work ? how ? why ? major point loss for the omni-impotent usg. <<< please to be sending tech/law leads to BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: just want to remove a dir with binaries, and have the resulting diff file reflect this fact
asciilifeform: and who will agree to run them?
asciilifeform: or rather, its contents
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i just want the cursed thing gone
thestringpuller: asciilifeform you are good at the turdisms...do you have a list somewhere?
asciilifeform: diff -uNr does not zap these
asciilifeform: trying to include a zap for the entire qt dir
ben_vulpes: the binaries
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do they have common suffixes?
pete_dushenski: they're everywhere!
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu speaking of commenter "expertise" : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/#comment-3870
asciilifeform: without crapping in the output
mircea_popescu: (du-te-n pizda ma-tii, go in[to] your mother's cunt)
mircea_popescu: oral stage's the first.
asciilifeform: show me the programmer who's passed anal stage
jurov: thestringpuller: you know, anal stage
mircea_popescu: "i dunno... kiling you and fucking your mother again, maybe this time she spits out something functional"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform just a bag of shit passed round'nround << what's with the obsession with poop?
assbot: USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/#comment-109197 << gotta love all this "expertise"
mircea_popescu: not like the chairs have to spend it. it can end up like fcuking princeton, owning a billion dolars in investments.
mircea_popescu: bounties i guess ? i dunno. mostly to satisfy the people who would like to contribute but have no skills/time to offer.
mircea_popescu: to differentiate from the scam currently masquerading as a bitcoin "foundation"
mircea_popescu: a promise should be made for accounts publishing at the least
ben_vulpes: if there's a budget, something can be said about it
mircea_popescu: otherwise seems pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: community growth and development, under the general principle that if and
jurov: options between x.eur/mpexbtc are doable. but no one is willing to put his balls into there
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the idea is for people to be able to go "i support the bitcoin foundation" and for derps to go oh, this thing ? and for people to lol superiorly at their cluelessness. << fwiw i can see it.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal notrly.
mike_c: <+asciilifeform> but - i do so hate the sea of ifdefs. << totally agreed on this.
TheNewDeal: Mp as far as the shitty spot price goes, couldnt one set up some actual usd deverable calls/puts at certain prices to protect against a rigged signal?
asciilifeform: but - i do so hate the sea of ifdefs.
undata: mircea_popescu | mike_c only thing going to the moon is undata. << maybe I'll luck out and Elon's overcompensating
mircea_popescu: "Evidence of media fakery that implied corruption in the local health authority and indeed in NHS England. It was one of many similar fake news stories - viz the engineered "Mid Staffs Crisis" used to provide the pretext for rationalising and closing health facilities across the country."
asciilifeform: want raw block device access for weaning the thing off bdb? tough
kakobrekla: mike_c i see what i did there will fix.
asciilifeform: no reason why someone suicidally willing to take responsibility for the inevitable, can't add winblows support
asciilifeform: just preventing him (or rather, his chumpmeister) from fucking us
mircea_popescu: mod6 it does that if you use the calendar.
asciilifeform: thing is, we're not fucking the noob
mod6: so speaking of n00bs. can we add a link to the log.bitcoin-assets.com page that takes a person to the first day of logs availble?
mike_c: but i'm done defending the noobs. i'm not a complete noob anymore, so fuck 'em.
mircea_popescu: sarcasm is generally the lowest form of wit, but when addressed to people who openly admit not having a clue so therefore not being able to catch it it's just irredeemably stupid.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: Usagi will open one for you, just send him a,pm << dudes you gotta stop with this "sarcasm" directed at noobs.
mircea_popescu: chewing food seems more for the very sick.
gribble: Grier, D.A.: When Computers Were Human (eBook and Paperback).: <http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7999.html>; When Computers Were Human: David Alan Grier: 9780691133829 ...: <http://www.amazon.com/When-Computers-Human-David-Grier/dp/0691133824>; The Age of Female Computers - The New Atlantis: <http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-age-of-female-computers>
mircea_popescu: wtf is she and what is she doing there naked.
TheNewDeal: The $900k coin days?
mircea_popescu: well the power rangers, but i have little faith.
asciilifeform: anybody ever bother to valgrind?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also on the list of surgeries : motherfucker memory management holy shit omfg.
mircea_popescu: mike_c:the only thing i use bitcoin on windows for is watching wallets. what about that case? >> i dunno, pipe grep ?
mircea_popescu: mod6: someone could make a worthy ui to interact with the baseline b-a bitcoind. then qt is out of core, and lives in someother project. << a good idea, but kinda what armory will end up being
mats_cd03: sounds easy. there are only a thousand exit nodes, no?
asciilifeform: other suggested experiments
bounce: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (1% of Full)
mircea_popescu: mike_c only thing going to the moon is undata.
mats_cd03: remember kids, examine the checksum before install. esp with tor involved.
mike_c: listen you pack of elitist fucks, bitcoin is for the masses and dogecoin is going back to the moon.
mircea_popescu: davout yes, but the activity of 2011/2012 is based on the state of the world previous.
davout: mircea_popescu: "mike_c 2010 is not 2014." <<< you weren't there in 2010
mike_c: yes, that i agree with. i thought it might be nice to have some wallet software available to the lower tier that doesn't phone home every time you open it and lose your coin everytime SSL gets probed.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: and yes, that particular circus trick is trivial, and the node operator is quite dumb to be caught so easily. come on, first pillage, then burn. patch exe only after typical usage pattern in captured packet stream! (indicative of luser - 'facebook', etc.)
mircea_popescu: running a sorta-secure one is delegating the vote.
mike_c: running a bitcoin wallet is not being in the senate.
mircea_popescu: in 1700 you could be a senator by being a farmer in the us.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fuck em, the ycan have their five btc together and do whatever they do with it. it'll be like the 192.x.x.x ip space
asciilifeform: though, fat lot of good, if the n00bs get poetteringed instead...
mircea_popescu: why, SWIFT takes people off the street ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c: because what is the average windows bitcoin user supposed to use now? the foundation binary? << the average bitcoin user is welcome to get fucked.
mircea_popescu: <davout> asciilifeform: the answer to this question is less obvious than it seems << spoken like a tru frenchman :D
kakobrekla: the fuckin noise hole on this chick...
davout: asciilifeform: the answer to this question is less obvious than it seems
TheNewDeal: No. The answer is no
asciilifeform: davout: does washing matter if there is no one to smell ?
davout: mircea_popescu: "because satoshi was the sort of idjit that ran his workstation on windows" <<< did it even matter that much before bitcoin was invented anyway?
asciilifeform: i'd like to plant the tree of 'koraktor' book of src, so when i actually have time to do the deed with it, it's there.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla either way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, washing the code in bleach to get winblowze off is a good idea.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/24/the-greatest-men-arent-necessarily-the-happiest-men/
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes just claim the downed pilot story and move on.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller goo pm!
ben_vulpes: i'm pretty sure i only ever claimed to fuck around with the tools in us 'college'
mircea_popescu: i know. it's like the darkest deepest secret of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: why even bother with windows? << because satoshi was the sort of idjit that ran his workstation on windows.