undata: the short term benefit of enemies not learning the same rocketry secrets trumping the long term benefit of.... more fucking rockets
mircea_popescu: "Thanks for continuously debunking modern myths." <<< ahh makes me all warm inside. for what else is the scholar, if not the mythbuster.
Mikayla: he was pretty sick in the head
undata: I'm trying to find whether it's true that Hitler was going to kill his rocket scientists.
undata: mircea_popescu: maybe wanting them is one half of a dynamic system
mircea_popescu: undata but you see why you can't have them, right ?
undata: maybe the glorious leader can benefit from my unpestered creativity and we can come to some arrangement
undata: I have no desire to be the glorious leader.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> none.//doing the pestering
undata: mircea_popescu: we all die in the end anyway
Mikayla: the best. But not where I am.
decimation: I guess white folk in za have already been strongly selected, those who think there's no hope have already left.
undata: and otherwise, big fence, you're not coming in
undata: mircea_popescu: given "otherwise let the powers that be do their thing", I can likely implement the above in any moderately stable state
undata: mircea_popescu: the above is in no way fanciful.
undata: and the right to defend that smallish rectangle of dirt
Mikayla: fluffypony pretty much. Haha. You're like the Mexico of America. lol
mircea_popescu: fucking point of life, that's how we're even here in the first place.
mircea_popescu: right ? so, no. the problem isn't govt being deliberately evil.
mircea_popescu: soon enough the militias are making armies and withdrawing from towns for pure strategic reasons.
mircea_popescu: undata the following factor is involved : me and a buddy will kick your ass. you and four buddies will kick our ass. the 100 man militia kicks the 50 man militia, right or wrong.
mircea_popescu: undata the most developed warsaw pact country.
undata: mircea_popescu: how developed was yugoslavia at the time? what other factors (economic, social) were involved?
fluffypony: omg you're like round the corner from me
Mikayla: decimation I am a volunteer at multiple charity organisations and I'm a volunteer for the voting stations to stop corruption
undata: mircea_popescu: yes, militias tend to be drawn from the locale
decimation: like, you are going to live in your locked mansion and fear the populace while you change them?
undata: govts will just let the place burn
mircea_popescu: besides, cazalla's from there.
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I'm terrified of Mexico, despite people I know who still will vacation there. No thanks, I don't need to take the risk.
decimation: Mikayla: if it suck so bad, why not go to another country not full of child rapists
Mikayla: even if they're 60?
Mikayla: fluffypony but to do so much to someone just to rob them?
mircea_popescu: i bet all the "sodomised!!!" news items make it hard to get butt from one's gf.
fluffypony: plus I live there
Mikayla: here you get abused. raped. sodomised. killed. and they steal your phone.
mircea_popescu: the media is... well... a shitpile, as per usual. what's a guy to do to find out ?
mircea_popescu: now, i know about this hysteria first hand, because some of the safest places i;'ve ever been in are convinced hteir problem is "security"
Mikayla: they go on police reported numbers
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: yea, hehe, that's sort of how the nick evolved. Friends call me a variety of things like 'tinkerbell' etc.
Mikayla: "The rate of sexual violence in South Africa is among the highest in the world. Sexual violence is the use of force or manipulation to get someone to engage in unwanted sexual activity without his or her consent.[1] An estimated of 500,000 rape cases take place in the country, every year.["
mircea_popescu: to make perfectly clear, my issue here is this : if one knows (from the news) that a) X event happens and b) (the news) isn't reporting it frequently enough and c) )(other parties) aren't taking enough action,
mircea_popescu: Mikayla according to the news ?
Mikayla: But I am a volunteer at the voting stations so hopefully it'll change
Mikayla: here it's a norm to rape a 3 day old baby :( the person doesn't even care what disease they have :(
mircea_popescu: undata rapists these days use condoms.
Mikayla: at least with a gun the first shot has a major impact and quick
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, any weapon you carry can be used against you, it's an important thing to be mindful of, that's where the training to use it, and learn some self defense tactics comes in.
mircea_popescu: course the bitch of all time is that young women are exactly at an age when they're simultaneously a) unclear as to what they actually want and b) attractive. pretty much everyting about living things is made out of bottlenecks like that.
PinkPosixPXE: I worked at a datacenter, on graveyards for a while, in a rough part of town, and had to walk 3 blocks in the ghetto to a parking garage every night... I had a few scary encounters, and ended up carrying a stun gun at that point. The security gaurds could escort you only so far off the property too, so you just had to be on gaurd..
mircea_popescu: Mikayla you know, the weird thing they do here, is try to kiss girls. just like that, randomly. cause this is romanticised, and so...
Mikayla: it's unfair a person must live like they're in a prison
Mikayla: first time 16 and the homeless guy tried to make out with me
mircea_popescu: well, depends if she's the dependent sort of woman that lives as property of men or the independent sort that does not. for the latter your idea is scarcely a solution.
Mikayla: news - she was mentioned quite a lot in the news due to the disgusting nature of how she died and how long it took the find the culprits
undata: man... I am all for the revolutionary terror of women killing attempted rapists
Mikayla: and a person doesn't stay in prison very long - one of the reasons being the prisons are too full
Mikayla: the media reports very poorly
Mikayla: I'll take my chances of my dog killing the person
Mikayla: without dampening the mood here. There was a girl, around 16, gang raped by men and a broken beer bottle....
mircea_popescu: Mikayla hence "<mircea_popescu> Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ? to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest."
mircea_popescu: if particularly obnoxious, shoot out each knee, then each hip, then each shoulder, then call them an ambulance.
mircea_popescu: well honestly, if someone tried to mug me i'd rather shoot them in the shoulder than kill them.
Mikayla: you're meant to injure them
Mikayla: you can't kill someone no matter what they do sort of law
Mikayla: they won't ask me to put my dog down who attacked a man in my property
Mikayla: nah well the dog can't be legally punished
undata: Mikayla: sorry, the state obligates you to protect that man! he's just sick.
undata: first thing after the revolution, some goddamn sovereignty over one's personal property
Mikayla: and he kept saying there's a man in that bush
Mikayla: found a man hidding in the bush once
undata: but no, the streets aren't dangerous enough here to need that
PinkPosixPXE: They also go over all the legalities, and what you have to truly consider, and understand comes with using your weapon, or even pulling it out/unholstering it.
undata: mircea_popescu: maybe when the US falls apart I can just strap it
Mikayla: other bit of security is that I don't go outside at night
PinkPosixPXE: In CCW training they really push the practice of grabbing your firearm as quickly as possible, and defending yourself as need be. Always keeping it in a specific spot most convenient for easy access.. etc.. just depends on the situation though.. Home vs. My car on the bad side of town..
mircea_popescu: on the street tho... dubious at best.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, coincidence, rule of the universe, something in between...
undata: mircea_popescu: inside the house it'd take me about 5sec to be ready
undata: but I moved from Houston; Portland's less about mugging and more about the odd home invasion
Mikayla: they're meant for shooting
PinkPosixPXE: yea, they'll hold the gun straight to your head, but you better keep yours in a safe so you are a 'law abiding citizen'
mircea_popescu: weird, i thought the boers were all about gun slingin'.
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, I imagine the gun laws are much different
Mikayla: no idea why then guns are even allowed?
PinkPosixPXE: I do own a glock 19, and have a concealed carry permit, but I'd like to prevent intruders from even bothering, before facing the alternative...
mircea_popescu: so if someone tries it again you gonna smoke the mofo ?
PinkPosixPXE: Hope you can stay safe Mikayla, that sounds scary. Electric gate seem like a good idea, and dogs are great protectors, or at the very least alarm systems :). I should look into an electric gate, I want to setup a few security cams soon as well (despite living in a safe neighborhood, in my opinion, no where is truly safe).
Mikayla: It's the energy saving bulbs
mircea_popescu: lol well you do have perhaps the worst potato of a camera.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla get a wot account, i'll rate you, then you can self-voice and it be permanent.
mircea_popescu: the question as to exactly *how* assbot removes her voice is left as an exercise to the onanist.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless!
undata: they'll tear someone in half, but *for you*
Mikayla: I own a bitpull. have very high walls. electronic gate. latches on the door.
mircea_popescu: to judge by the media reports it's nothing but a rapefest.
mircea_popescu: Mikayla speaking of mob attack vibes, what's the situation there like, for a hot white gal ?
Mikayla: just the nail gun is suspect
mircea_popescu: they're just middleaged pencilnecks being bullied, essentially.
mircea_popescu: their "crimes" are entirely based on rules the government had no authority to make, and certainly has no authority to enforce.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve mod6 Mikayla i dunno, i kinda feel bad for the bankers.
Mikayla: Am I the only one who feels a conspircy coming on?
HeySteve: this trend is robbing the guillotines
HeySteve: hmm but if they compromise it somehow, he could squelch them with three words, like dorian story
HeySteve: if what they do is as bad as all that, perhaps satoshi will break radio silence again
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i do is the lesser part. the best thing gavin & co could do is fork themselves outside of this project.
HeySteve: but yeah, that's the long term plan
HeySteve: things here are still ok, if you don't turn on the news
mircea_popescu: lol what, you're living together ?
HeySteve: yeah got tired of chasing down the news, on hiatus
gribble: You rated user HeySteve on Mon Jun 23 12:50:37 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: cryptocoinsnews reporter..
decimation: so basically there was a whole pile of people who appeared-to-be-in-charge who were not, and security was effective because a small number were involved
decimation: "Much that went on in 3-US was not properly the business of Hut 3. Such questions, for example, as which individuals at American commands should be entitled to have access to Ultra, or what action should be taken on violations of security regulations at American commands-questions which on the British side were handled at Broadway Buildings-were normally handled in 3-US."
decimation: Hut-3 and 3-US was the US liason hut at Bletchley Park:
decimation: but I like the sentiment
asciilifeform: sorta misleading, considering that the turdball presently under consideration isn't maggot-free
mircea_popescu: then qntra can run a piece about how bitcoin foundation reverted a missatribution created by usgavin of the bitcoin scamdation, where it falsely attrivbuted bitcoin to an inexistent group instead of satoshi
asciilifeform: decimation: i haven't any idea what 'the bitcoin developers' are. presumably it's a mythical set that includes, even us.
mircea_popescu: it's... their corpse, right ?
asciilifeform: decimation: the patch removed crap that was ifdef'd out anyway
decimation: one item of note - it is amusing that the copyright notices suddenly changed from "Satoshi Nakamoto" to "The Bitcoin Developers"
mircea_popescu: !up TheShrander
asciilifeform: there were two manifests; one from stock tarball, one from just the necessaries (hand-deleted crud)
decimation: not that they will be needed for long
asciilifeform: decimation: chef could easily chop wrong carrot, might accidentally end up with the less-usg-flavoured kind
mircea_popescu: yeah well as the dead bodies clear it should be ok.
mircea_popescu: aite then.
asciilifeform: big advertisement for rectothermal cryptanalysts << i've seen worse. there's some fool driving around my town with '0DAY'.
asciilifeform: 'never show anyone your public key' << 'in the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces!' (zapf brannigan, 'futurama')
asciilifeform: decimation: 'secure' bitcoin branch, as well as the dependencies << lol, read his faq! usg linux!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Researchers Finds Malicious Tor Exit Node Adding Malware to Binaries | Threatpost | The first stop for security news
assbot: Hack the Trackers
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 366.50 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 3.49 TH/s
RagnarDanneskjol: hangin in there
mircea_popescu: prolly not the top priority atm
mod6: needs some updates, i also said i'd get rid of the coinminer stats too.
mircea_popescu: the p2pool thing
RagnarDanneskjol: should I check with anyone else? bingo.. also, whats the story
RagnarDanneskjol: yep - noone's mined on it since the 21st
RagnarDanneskjol: is noone using the p2pool anymore?
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 302.37 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
ben_vulpes: Bugpowder: on the topic of bezzlenomics, i'm amused that you have a small grant, lab, equipment and...porsche.
Bugpowder: err… buttcar.. No way that would have passed the censors tho
ben_vulpes: bitcoin anything on anything one owns - big advertisement for rectothermal cryptanalysts
ben_vulpes: haha oh man ripped up one side and down t' other
ben_vulpes: <PinkPosixPXE> re QR codes and exposing privkeys to the atmosphere: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/miller-s-lesson-guard-your-bitcoin-qr-code-1y5Uj8foQu~3Gn_qKclleQ.html << "never show anyone your public key" ya mhm bloomberg killing it again and again
assbot: Millions of devices vulnerable via UPnP - Update - The H Security: News and Features
mircea_popescu: there's linux upnp ?!
decimation: the most hilarious dependency (even on ascii's 0.5.3): UPNP
ben_vulpes: ah but wait qr libs aren't in the script on ch
decimation: yeah my main interest is that he catalogs the dependencies
decimation: asciilifeform et. al. it appears that this guy maintains a 'secure' bitcoin branch, as well as the dependencies: http://www.ringingliberty.com/bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder qntra and the bitcoin foundation.
Bugpowder: Getting the plate was an anti-climax
mod6: the license plate bracket?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shut%20the%20fuck%20up | It is the upgrade of "shut up" and is used mainly when you a... ... dsl: *ding* I think the microwave has just finished cooking that plate of shut the fuck up you ...
mircea_popescu: ;;ud fuck up the plate
Bugpowder: I was a bit faded when I ordered it and didn’t read the instructinos
Bugpowder: I fucked up the plate
mircea_popescu: (then again, generally i think bayesian stuff is masturbation for the uneducated intelligent.)
Bugpowder: Of course, why they would publish this instead of exploit it is an exercise for the reader. Probably they should’ve gone to Stanford.
Bugpowder: what I found interseting is that the primary pattern it found (Fig 4) was the exact pattern for my winning short term trades
gribble: User 'mod6', with keyid 721705A8B71EADAF, fingerprint 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 14 17:05:58 2011, last authed on Fri Oct 24 12:42:41 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mod6 . Currently authenticated from hostmask mod6!32ea73ba7c@rider.us .
gribble: The outlook is good.
PinkPosixPXE: re QR codes and exposing privkeys to the atmosphere: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/miller-s-lesson-guard-your-bitcoin-qr-code-1y5Uj8foQu~3Gn_qKclleQ.html
mircea_popescu snubs nose at song. o looky, chicky got electric guitar, not catching her fingers in the chords anymore even!
RagnarDanneskjol: yea they're cool chicks - just discovered them recently. pretty decent garbage rock
PinkPosixPXE: These girls are very enthusiastic about making their own money, and being independently wealthy
asciilifeform: tempest horn doesn't have to belong to the crown.
asciilifeform: and 3-5 of them are reading log here.
asciilifeform: there's maybe 10 worthwhile 'patients' alive.
asciilifeform: then can read a la phonograph.
asciilifeform: back to qr codes per se: who builds the reader with no stateful internals?
asciilifeform: it was announced with some fanfare, too. (who has the balloon link?)
asciilifeform: there's one flying not far from where i live.
asciilifeform: done with automatics, usable by chimp, approx. the size of iPnohe (minus receiving horn)
mircea_popescu: this is expensive. let them.
mircea_popescu: nobody's encouraging it. as long as it's there, people gotta keep tempest going.
asciilifeform isn't thrilled with the encouragement of exposing privkeys to the atmosphere, so to speak, by trivial optical export
mircea_popescu: the advantage of this arrangement is that it can be made easily and inconspicuously.
mircea_popescu: there do exist qr reader guns with reasonably simple internals commonly available.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the qr code is a legitimate optoseparator
asciilifeform doesn't see why qr code modem belongs in the already overcrowded rocket
asciilifeform waits for someone to say 'i keep all me coin in the iPnohe'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: your chronicles: 'importprivkey' is more or less inescpable (how the fuck can one do anything technological with the thing, lacking it?)
cazalla: i would not even lend them niggas a pencil
mod6: and if there is anything that's deemed "required", we'll be putting those things in. getting us to the baseline.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> even if it's the void set, still step 0. << so this totally could be a void set. but we'll certainly look at what changes are in here post v0.5.3->6.3 just to ensure that we don't miss anything (http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html)
mod6: yeah, i think you're right that any place that actually gives a shit about the bitcoind they run, probably made their own changes immediately.
mircea_popescu: which is by now becoming a major problem in waiting, because under the hollow pretense of the power rangers, the codebase is actually fractured to all shit.
mircea_popescu has serious trouble thinking people have actually used the stock braindamage for more than a few month before branching it off
mod6: we've dealt with it for 5 years, what's another 3-6 months?
mircea_popescu: even if it's the void set, still step 0.
mod6: then once we have our baseline... something that can be used, and we can feel pretty good about with not years worth of testing, then we start to implement these major changes. then we see the UI go away from core, the rpc commands, etc.
mircea_popescu: oh he has a point. step 0 : merge the stuff that's acxtually useful in.
mircea_popescu: i'm the first to say that the only practicable way to run this is as a two machine, serial connected thing, so that's not changing.
mod6: see, im of the opinion that we don't cut out anything. first we add.
mircea_popescu: that means the json crap stays for now doesn't it ?
mod6: you have some great ideas about changes that need to be made. and I really do think we'll get to doing them. bitcoin will be better for it.
asciilifeform: from the start
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about this for a principle : step 1, take all the stuff that can be taken out without therefore forcing different stuff being put in ; step 2 take out the stuff that needs replacement, sorted by the complexity of the needed replacement, ascending.
asciilifeform: (not the ecdsa calls - well, them too, ought to be redone - but the https idiocy. needs to go.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the discussion is if the json-rpc part is in the obvious crud or in the eventual crud group
asciilifeform: doesn't get any smaller or simpler than scuttling the obvious crud.
mircea_popescu: theoretical conflict of interest or no.
mircea_popescu: these are all valuable changes. just, i'm persuaded by your smaller steps approach.
mircea_popescu: they're much less apt than they pretend to be. but that aside : ineptitude of the enemy is no excuse to derp.
mod6: understood. i worry about these jokers.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> prolly a better idea to keep things sane and incrementally improve ? << this is the way it must be done. even though slash and burn feels so damn good.
mod6: that's plausibly only 8 weeks out. and we'd better have something to run by then. i don't wanna be chasing crazy changes down when we could have just gotten something simple running first.
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, and somewhat from experience : while the serial thing is a solid design, i suspect it's also a bridge too far
mod6: eh, yeah, these things are all great ideas. and necessary. but i think the best course of action is to get something up and working as a baseline with the most minimal changes possible so we have something to run when derpistan puts in the hardfork
asciilifeform just wanted a goddamned book he could take to the forest and go Hmmm with
mod6: yeah, but personally, i wanna start simple. and then work our way up to major changes.
mircea_popescu hires some lobbysts to sit on the standards group and prevent this evil.