asciilifeform: aha those are the plus-sizers!
jurov: are theses sprats cryptographically signed?
asciilifeform: there is no substitute for standard sprats. none.
asciilifeform: i presently get my (and got the woman addicted likewise, when first met even) sprat fix from a german importer in wash. dc
mircea_popescu: really it's the can. black and gold.
asciilifeform: sprats (iconic canned fish, familiar to virtually all sovblok folks) started shipping with 'synthetic smoke'
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for a spell, eu banned smoked foods (!) - because 'carcinogen' - and then latvia, eu circa '04, got the sharp end of the ban
asciilifeform: they did for a while
asciilifeform: i still get these!
mircea_popescu: used to get the nice sprots too.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i had excellent seafood in caviar sauce.
kakobrekla: just saying the standard is poorly defined.
asciilifeform: a theoretically minimal bitcoinator will not fit in 'avg head,' no.
kakobrekla: still this is very arbitrary. can expect to stuff this in avg head and also on the other hand some people can digest some funky shit.
ben_vulpes: few things are certain even to those capable of reasoning about them. i must fumble in the dark making guesses. my guess though, is that some parts of it work.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as kakobrekla pointed out, this cannot be established - at least, quite certainly not given the extant turd.
ben_vulpes: if it does what it says on the tin, i find it a vastly more palatable meal than say a dollar
asciilifeform: when i say 'fits in head', i mean in the same way mechanism of doorknob, or kalashnikov.
asciilifeform: can fit a kg or two of cement there.
kakobrekla: their*
kakobrekla: 'fits in head' < meh, some folks fit 50k digits of pi in ther head.
asciilifeform: where's the beauty?
asciilifeform: although, i'll spill the one bean, that the point of my particular long-term 'fits in head' compaction for it, is to determine (for my own perverse pleasure) whether: it works.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: note that 'hops on the network and downloads blocks' is not necessarily equivalent to 'works'
ben_vulpes: it's at least an example of the desired process.
asciilifeform: if making 'cosmetic' change, can diff the binaries (after stripping debug crud)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: considering that this fix should not have changed the built binary one byte, you probably did not need to do the live-fire test.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: toss it in jurov's turdatron when the latter's ready.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz << i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks.
kakobrekla: > A single machine acting as a full node takes approximately 10 minutes to verify and process a 32 MB block, meaning that a 32 MB block size is near the maximum one could expect to handle with 1 machine acting as a full node < but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ?
cazalla: they don't say, i'll send an email
ben_vulpes: what are the stats of this "one machine"?
ben_vulpes: i'd like to have a thing that built a patch; booted the resulting artifact on testnet, mined some TN coins, sent them to itself, etc
ben_vulpes: surely there's more rigor possible than this.
ben_vulpes: i build the thing, and then boot it, and if getblockcount increments under my eye - it passes?
asciilifeform: satoshi's 0.1 does not include them
ben_vulpes: i have zero familiarity with the c ecosystem
asciilifeform: if planning to screw with the things those are testing - might want to
ben_vulpes: the test-bitcoin line in makefile.unix - is that where i should look for running tests?
ben_vulpes: you're the literate one...
ben_vulpes: whence the k tho
asciilifeform: gilding can be applied to the lily - later.
ben_vulpes: the same.
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone ever screened the pnSeed[] crap for known shitgnome ip ranges ?
jurov: then i'll report
asciilifeform: there we go.
jurov: Yes. then the patch above can be used: "A post will be distributed only if the PGP signature on the post is from one of the list members."
asciilifeform: barbarians should not be able to piss in the soup
asciilifeform: i simply didn't zap win32, left it for other folks
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: to digress, what's the rationale behind keeping makefile.linux-mingw?
asciilifeform: possible to have two attachments, plain ascii patch - and, second, detached sig of the former ?
asciilifeform: ideally, we'd have a patch and a collection of detached sigs of the plain ascii of the patch
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read << would a new tarball with sig attached suffice?
asciilifeform: this is why i was so preoccupied (see yesterday's log) with keeping them as small as physically possible
asciilifeform: jurov: also at some point we ought to have people sign off on others' patches, once they read
TheNewDeal: I apologize for the off topic questions, but does friedcat have a gpg key?
ben_vulpes: the network magic bytes for mainnet
asciilifeform: if patch was signed by > 1 person - their name(s) too.
asciilifeform: jurov: my suggestion was to have a plain-text view of the list (incl. patches that passed magic sig) visible there.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: string 'pnp' shouldn't occur in the resulting tree
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: point is not to simply disable flag, but to whittle down the turd bitwise
nubbins`: we should discuss this further
nubbins`: good way to find yourself on the wrong end of everyone else's cards 8)
nubbins`: TheNewDeal that's frowned upon
TheNewDeal: nubbins` do you ever see if people will trade and then play the dev card that confiscates all the resource of one type?
Duffer1: http://s102.photobucket.com/user/CelebrityCollages/media/ew-1.jpg.html the smuggler in question?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: 'there are good spies, there are famous spies, but no good+famous spies.'
TheNewDeal: what if you trick them as to which card?
assbot: Building all the major open-source web browsers | Grenouille Bouillie
nubbins`: http://grenouillebouillie.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/building-all-the-major-open-source-web-browsers/
nubbins`: while letting existing ones live out their remaining whithered days exchanging wheat for sheep
nubbins`: anyway, they eventually disabled new signups because it was too intense
nubbins`: it really sped up the game
nubbins`: there was this site, asobrain, had a brilliant and FAST knock-off java applet version
nubbins`: TheNewDeal catan!
undata: side note, the german doctor was a good film
undata: TheNewDeal: son of hitler, working in secret from Argentina
asciilifeform: put the fun in telefunken.
hanbot: #1 looks like it could put the fun in functional
hanbot: haha! where are the burning man btc gizmos anyway, i want a bitonkadonk
asciilifeform: i bet hanbot has a dual-machine bitcoin mechanism, with 'nintendo' on other side
decimation: people who insist on windows can use the turdmeister's bitcoind
TheNewDeal: did burnside ever get in trouble with the sec?
asciilifeform: this, among other reasons, is why to junk win32 port
jurov: ok, i have no problem with pty either
jurov: or if exclusively one client is wanted, then just pass pipe file descriptor
asciilifeform: why not just have the daemon (nonblocking) listen on /dev/ttyxxx (virtual) ?
jurov: i'd prefer another trivial piece that relays between unix socket and ttyS0 or qr reader or whatever
asciilifeform: idiots who want to eat from toilet bowl, can loopback the thing into a tx gen on same box.
jurov: you want to hardwire /dev/tty0 to the implementation?
decimation: we could count the number of cards it would take
decimation: surely there's some free reference implementation somewhere
ben_vulpes: also, not really in the scope.
undata: or is that not in the scope of this client?
undata: are you guys hacking the rpc bits out of bitcoind?
TheNewDeal: The people that I would drink and play these card games with typically arent the chess sort. Although I do play Catan with another set of friends, and we often drink while playing
asciilifeform: auto-equalization of strength, at least, in theory
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the only 'drinking game' that ever made sense to me was the chess set with the hollow pieces
asciilifeform: another game, invented by the same folks who brought us 'russian roulette' (imperial-era cavalry officers, bored out of their skulls) was called 'cuckoo'
TheNewDeal: true, did not know the story
asciilifeform: the 'correct' (honest) way to play was to pull trigger while spinning.
asciilifeform: the way it was built, the ratchet was not engaged when drum was spinning. a single round would settle to the bottom (opposite of barrel line.)
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: ever see 'nagant' revolver? the item 'russian roulette' was originally played with.
undata: asciilifeform: my stepdad used to fly medevac helicopters, saw more than a couple botched suicides that merely blew off the person's face
asciilifeform: there's a moderately-well-documented case of a (small caliber) pistol lobotomy.
TheNewDeal: you could shoot yourself in the head and end up like gage too
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asciilifeform: not really useful other than against self or a hogtied 'client'
asciilifeform: cazalla: nailgun does not have a barrel in the usual sense.
TheNewDeal: that's not what the talk was about
cazalla: TheNewDeal, you know that's not even an option here for if you used it on an intruder, you would need to explain "legitimate use" for keeping a nailgun next to your bed or in bedroom
jurov: give them microscopes!
undata: and they will spend it how?
assbot: GiveDirectly claims Aid system is broken and the most efficient aid system is ... giving direct cash to the poor using *new technology* . Should we mail them? : Bitcoin
undata: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k9v8q/givedirectly_claims_aid_system_is_broken_and_the/ << LOOOL advocating giving bitcoin to the poor
TheNewDeal: in reference to the talk about nail guns before, they would definitely be useful as a weapon for inflicting fatal wounds, and they can be purchased at your local hardware store. my opinion
nubbins`: asciilifeform what's the current line count?
asciilifeform: well - the spittoon is here. shiny, new, brass. spit away, gentlemen.
asciilifeform wonders if this escapade will progress much faster than one could reasonably expect, on account of people like jurov, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes - who actually use bitcoin 'in anger' - succumbing to the temptation to release some of their secret mods.
asciilifeform: but the canonical copy (to the extent this term makes sense here) should probably be distributed via jurov's turdatron.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: tooling question: when working on the actual c files, should i be working in a parallel directory and then diff -uNr original_dir my_dir > patch.diff?
bounce: blink got deimplemented to the point that people're reimplementing it with javascript.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> lol poor nano is running out of red ink and font thickness << there's always the blink tag
bounce: venue people's job to check all fire exits before the party starts and keep 'em open during, too.
cazalla: someone is blocking the fire exit
nubbins`: i swear that's me beside the bright yellow light
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: cazalla only the frequencies i don't really use
cazalla: well how much did they remove nubbins`
nubbins`: and the room fell silent
asciilifeform: frozen turd on lathe.
nubbins`: thestringpuller heh
thestringpuller: the turd is polished?
nubbins`: bitcoin foundation charter looks good, i may propose some minor changes when i get a chance to give it another read
asciilifeform: and the turd's 'GetPerformanceCounter()' actually uses unix epoch time on non-winblows systems.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: spitoon, rather.
bounce: re nanotube running out of red, bit of a sign the communication isn't working, so more of the same isn't really the proper answer.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> decadent rich << describes clients and their target customers quite well
asciilifeform: ah, and, is the turdomatic broadcast station ready? (jurov ?)
asciilifeform: layer of protection could be very useful for a lot of people in the future, the way things are going in most of the world. We do have the stripper for the S-64 that strips the hidden data from a StegoSaur file, but it really should go both ways."'
asciilifeform: '...since there're SO many Sega 64s floating around in the States and indeed, the world, there's probably many people alive today who wouldn't be if their governments could crack their secure messages. I'm told that at least two democratic revolutions were made possible, in part, due to PGP S-64. Right now, myself and several others are attempting to create a version of StegoSaur for the S-64. That one extra
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: cazalla well then, i got a confession to make.
asciilifeform: would be hilarious to port the 'red' half of bitcoind to that.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, fwiw, even if you were the biggest blackest nigger in all of the lands, i'd still come here each day and listen
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a mixed couple on the street
mircea_popescu: cazalla you'd prolly love argentina. basically their citizenship criteria is "are you black ?", and black people are stuck doing street vending.
asciilifeform isn't especially good at it either, and can't even remember how he was provoked into doing it
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "let me fly the plane! i've got like 20 sim hours!"
undata: anybody know how big the testnet blockchain is?
mircea_popescu: srsly, just because i can do most of the tasks one can do with a computer does not mean im particularly good at it.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, you're right, i imagine the few blacks that are here get a lot of white wimminz
PinkPosixPXE: 12:51 <+Adlai> why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though >_< << It says "Verify Balance at" (on top) then "Blockchain.info" at the bottom, for idiots I suppose.
asciilifeform: anybody else here built the test turd?
mircea_popescu: cazalla to recycle an argument from above, who is more likely to fellate a hippo ? people in the savannah, who get it up the ass all the time anyway, or people in new york ?
punkman: but other deeds might have html
mircea_popescu: notrly, it just gives responsibility to not breaking the page to the author of the message
Adlai can't tell whether "popescuity" is related to pope or promiscuity, or both
mircea_popescu: the thing copumpkin was asking for a while back :D
asciilifeform: over here, they give'em to folks who've gone bankrupt and lowered into pederasty on account of it
Adlai: i wasn't too near it ten minutes ago either
ben_vulpes: in retrospect that should be "ether distribution"
assbot: Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> but umm yeah... you're buying private keys. this is silly. << http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/22_technical-flaws-in-early-ether-wallet-implementations.html
asciilifeform: stun gun is that it gets used on me << in some u.s. cities, policemen are required to take a zap gun shot before they are licensed.
mircea_popescu: punkman that's how they already work ? brb!
punkman: mircea_popescu: could you put a gpg msg in a trilema comment without all the <br>s (say, inside a <pre> tag), want to test with bot
kakobrekla: <PinkPosixPXE> oh it's more of a "please do not load more than .1btc" request < or it MAY break under the weight
asciilifeform: how they could limit the balance << obvious! they watch the addr, if it's over limit - they pump out the excess, using privkey
Adlai: why does the damn thing say "blockchain.info" though >_<
PinkPosixPXE: very pretty, and I like the design
PinkPosixPXE: may be they'll go down in price over time
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I don't like the .1btc limit, but if i had one for novelty, eh..
mircea_popescu: so then ?
asciilifeform really still doesn't grasp the preoccupation with 'physical bitcoins'
PinkPosixPXE: I'll have to google more images and info to see better shots of the kialara coin, they look pretty intricate, and much more secure than the sticker holograms on the casascius coin
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship
PinkPosixPXE: wow those are beautiful... they put the Casascius coin to shame https://www.casascius.com/
mircea_popescu: my dead nigger storage bills would be a lot more mangeable if only that were the case.
asciilifeform: well, there are various folks living with 'pet' tigers, lions. famous joker with 7 tigers, was it, in brazil? i sorta assumed mircea_popescu's pets were similarly tame.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, men tend to hurt women and women can't really get themselves to kill me.
asciilifeform: lemme guess, they neglect target practice, maintenance, etc ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe it's the fact that women actually know how much fucking energy goes into making men, and don't so well manage to ignore it. or because they're emotionally clingy. or simply because that's how genders are hardcoded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: women suck at killing men << elaborate. doesn't the invention of light small arms sorta even the odds ?
Adlai: iirc it's the eventual evolution of other sandworms' shit, through little worms, to big worms
mircea_popescu: isn't the sandworm from dune essentially an animated shit ?
mircea_popescu: cause of the two foot schlong ?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NTTIAWWT | Jan 13, 2008 ... An acronym for "not that there is anything wrong with that".
Adlai: well, alternating drinks takes most of the bite out of the hangover, and gives the opportunity for a show
mircea_popescu: the border is ever blurring.
mircea_popescu: undata the guy trying to get you drunk ?
kakobrekla: are you complaining about the font ?
undata: there's this poutine cart here that's a good 3am last stop
mircea_popescu: well actually cabbage juice is the best fix.
bounce: though the standard fix for hangover is to just drink lots of water before going to bed.
mircea_popescu: gotta be the actual stuff tho.
undata: I wonder if they have that here
Mikayla: well I am a woman and I was in a gay bar so I don't think that was the case
mircea_popescu: the roofies ?
Mikayla: gosh I think it was the combination
Mikayla: why is alcohol the one thing a person nevers learns from?
mircea_popescu: his son is born as the son of the guy wioth the crown, and it can never can become quite the "whatever!" thing for him.
mircea_popescu: kinda why hereditary systems do not work, ever. while the founder can not give a shit about his crown,
mircea_popescu: if it becomes bijective the whole thing's condemned to ruin.
undata: mircea_popescu: "belongs to God" "the cause" something?
mircea_popescu: undata ah ah. well, it's unclear. i think for most people at the top of their pyramid it's abstracted one way or the other.
mircea_popescu: from the joys of debugging c : "I got a print in the middle of a loop and I discover it loops half the time returning pointers and half actual data"
undata: we were talking about the inherent need for humans to belong, i.e. slavery
undata: I thought about that after the conversation. Particularly, what happens when you reach the top?
undata: mircea_popescu: oh, in your definition is the "need to belong" reciprocal?
mircea_popescu: undata kinda the difference between friendzone and sex slave.
undata: there's a greater gulf between feared and feared-and-loved than most leaders seem to know