mircea_popescu: it could also be the difference between coding and idiocy
ben_vulpes: well this'd be the difference between a spec and an implementation, non?
mircea_popescu: the actual formalisation is, "the largest schlong I can take is ten inches, except 8 and 9 inches hurt and i sometimes take two feet"
mircea_popescu: and nobody even fucking knows exactly when and wherefore all the damned time.
mircea_popescu: the fact is that it sometimes DOES create 100mn+ responses.
ben_vulpes: "when i was your age, i got to work at 8, got off at 5, drank a beer, got on the train, went home and was at home. you poor fool answer emails lo unto 10pm"
ben_vulpes: your parents worked less than you and enjoyed their life more << i was just having this conversation with my father
ben_vulpes: oh god a giant trilema linking to other giant trilemas
ben_vulpes: "inside voice" is one of the more useful things to teach a dog: http://videos-f-16.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xfa1/10745249_1722322861325716_1685564917_n.mp4
ben_vulpes: interested to know where i went off the rails with that one
assbot: Notes on Increasing the Maximum Bitcoin Block Size (or, "Why it ain't happenin'")
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/25_notes-on-increasing-the-maximum-bitcoin-block-size-or-why-it-aint-happenin.html
decimation: lol luxury meant 'sexual intercourse' in the 1300's
mircea_popescu: all happened before the 1900 middle ages ? :)
mircea_popescu: speaking of romanians raping words (which is what they do) : patent in romanian means a type of pliers.
mircea_popescu: notice the -ierte. sexualised.
decimation: that's pretty much the same as german
asciilifeform: very interesting etymology, the germans.
mircea_popescu: only after a while it occurred to me that wait a second, not like these people could know that ?! wtf ?!
asciilifeform: call it gang rape, or 'rejuvenative cock therapy', same concept
mircea_popescu: decimation unless you both have equal armies, neither of you is signing any contracts.
asciilifeform: go try not paying the crown lease, err, property tax, in usa
decimation: re:mortgages << walking around london I was surprised to learn that this is less common, much of london is owned by the crown directly
asciilifeform hasn't much to add, because to him whores may as well be those wonderful creatures that leave in the 'sea chimneys' at the bottom of the ocean.
mircea_popescu: where they all got drunk on her money.
mircea_popescu: bezzle influence. they will charge a derpy usg bureaucrat 2k for an hour, and then take three dudes at some party
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, usa is one of the few places where the girls do pro bono work.
decimation: 'on the pain of death'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know the etymology of that term ?
mircea_popescu: so what, you'd rather pay mortgage ?
decimation: I'm sure there are high-class hookers somewhere in wash dc, but I suspect they also charge $$$
mircea_popescu: im sure there must be some nice ones too, somewhere.
decimation: I suspected that she resided in the neighboring trailer park
mircea_popescu: decimation seriously, it's unsanitary, this. take the world back, man!
decimation: once in my youth I intercepted a business deal between a hooker and a john using a scanner in the portable-phone frequency range
mircea_popescu: you'd make them a cardano ?
mircea_popescu: it's the duty of any gentleman to fuck a whore at least yearly.
mircea_popescu: listen, if smart people don't fuck whores, the poor girls are left with a very poor impression of maledom
decimation: the power of jesus compels me.
decimation haven't availed myself of their services
asciilifeform: i was informed the function is called 'happy-ending' here
undata: better stated, the only owned information is a secret
decimation: I've been told that many 'massage parlors' in maryland are in fact brothels
mircea_popescu: actually, better q, do they even have spas where you live.
undata: <well worn argument that bands will still make money if there are mp3s>
undata: and needing to ignores that many will just pay people they want to support
asciilifeform: specifically the quite.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 06:20:35; mircea_popescu: the power of jesus compiles you!
undata: owning information is not the only option here
assbot: ClubOrlov: Survival of the Nicest?
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/09/survival-of-nicest.html << obligatory re: downed pilots & their dignity.
mircea_popescu: bwahahh I GOT THE COPYRIGHT BITCH
asciilifeform: i've been advocating the stakeoilet for years!
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the ultimate girl toilet, what is all this "lift the seat, lower the seat" bs.
mircea_popescu: and suppose i have a toilet in my house that instead of the usual seat has a penis shaped stick to sit on ?
decimation: copyright enforcement is the unwanted bridge
decimation: I would use the bridge, for simple pragmatic reasons
decimation: If there's a bridge that you voted against and the gov't built anyway, would you use it?
mircea_popescu: and i mostly don't give a shit, either.
asciilifeform: lol - what was the trademark?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, and then legal rape.
asciilifeform: why would some nitwit ddos the #b-a log.
undata: maybe it's not the above, but something
undata: well, something which does more damage to the fountain the more people want the shit seems fun
mircea_popescu: but your point doesn't work, seeing how... there isn't a way.
undata: my point is there's always a way, and that fact doesn't necessarily stop good content
undata: he could pay once, then host it himself
mircea_popescu: cause he can't get the articles.
mircea_popescu: undata anyway, you're equivocating two things here. on one hand, you'll find exactly zero support here for the proposition that someone should make money off the writings of dead authors ; on the other hand, you'll find exactly zero support here for the theory that you should be able to play any computer game you wish without having to pay the company that made it anything.
asciilifeform: in the near term - usa is stage for 'demolition derby' of everything and anything - good, bad - which depends on the typical man on the street having spending money.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally : you know what "solid earner" died the exact death you describe ? buffett's "discount stamps"
undata: if only to kill the revenue of game of thrones-ing
mircea_popescu: undata they've not gotten anything intelligent done in 20 years. plenty of idiocy got done tho.
undata: they haven't gotten anything done in 20 years
mircea_popescu: see the famous case of that neonazi kid whatever his name is
undata: this assumes they can do anything
decimation: mircea_popescu: I'm sure there are bureaucrats that would love to do exactly that
mircea_popescu: here's a good one : it'll never happen that they'll send people to prison for fixing software.
undata: the us govt *made* tor
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how many of these "it'll never happen"s i heard ?
mircea_popescu: see the scabbard quote above.
undata: any more than they can ban tor
mircea_popescu: undata no. by acting as if the usg actually has some sort of power or importance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that being the only reason it still survives as a going concern.
mircea_popescu: undata well there's no problem with helping it along, but your proposed measures have the opposite effect ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not my perspective, though we don't disagree. in my view of the matter, they will be done in by the fact that the intersection of thinking people and copyright observers will become the null set.
undata: I fail to see the problem with helping that death along.
asciilifeform: the copyrasty problem will find its 'final solution' in a rather elegant, if traumatic, way. the various american 'industries' that form the brain & body of copyrasty (film, music, dead tree publishing) will be done in by the banal fact of their customers having nothing to spend.
mircea_popescu: cause the same fucking process can work again
undata: they're against pulling down copyrighted material
mircea_popescu: how did it become the case in us of fuckyou that you can be fined for using the internet ?
undata: right now there is a nonzero risk (in the US) that you get outed by your ISP and end up paying loads
mircea_popescu: undata it wouldn't do anything. you're basically saying, "carbon credits will permanently solve the eco whining". no, it provably won't.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
decimation: it's a weird quirk of their particular abbatoir
undata: mircea_popescu: an anonymous p2p network would permanently solve the copyright thing; those guys can always go after the seedbox hosts
asciilifeform: decimation: anyone ask them? (do you remember being asked? i don't)
decimation: asciilifeform: but the situation is even worse in the us, why do the 'thinking folk' seem to accept it as some kind of bedrock of civilization?
decimation: I'm not really sure how one could 'design privacy' while simultaneously expecting to correspond with whoever comes down the street
mircea_popescu: what the fuck would awk be if someone tried to rewrite it to include privacy ?
mircea_popescu: undata listen, you're misdesigning here. the "privacy" angle is not to be solved at the tool level.
asciilifeform: 'property rights' of the pissants << gotta understand the inevitable reaction when people move a property boundary. and especially when they move it, as if they owned the universe, straight through your brain, wishing to cut off half
undata: decimation: what would be wrong with some anonymity in the mix?
asciilifeform: ru folks (the thinking kind) collect warez as a matter of principle.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I feel the compulsion to collect them in case 1984 << you are doing a good thing.
asciilifeform: but in practice, there is iron resistance
asciilifeform: decimation: on paper, 1990s oligarchs sold even the pre-copyright-era (ussr to 1974) works to various pissants
decimation: asciilifeform: what is the ru copyright law? do they thumb their nose at the bern convention
mircea_popescu: but incidentally : i have for the past hour been writing on this piece
decimation: asciilifeform: mancur olson lived somewhere nearby. he pretty much came to the same conclusion
mircea_popescu: low calorie milk, greaseless oil, all the good stuff.
mircea_popescu: if you can do that, why stop there ? make round cubes,
asciilifeform: (who, it appears, believes that organized stampede is the answer. well, doesn't really believe it answers the puzzle, but thinks it wrong not to at least try)
decimation: how do you escape the factory and roam free?
decimation: asciilifeform: the concluding question being: in front of which chumpatron's maw do you wish to graze?
asciilifeform: or rather, a set.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform considere the case of the farming ants. are the ants intelligent ? no. are the teats of the bugs milked in time ? yes.
decimation: with monkeys bombarding them with poo
asciilifeform does not believe in free-range sheeple. or rather, is quite certain that they've been extinct since some time prior to, say, babylon. and the only kind of sheeple to be found today are in meat processing plants - which can only exist if there are eaters.
mircea_popescu: but this is evolving towards a rehash of the meta-nsa discussion we've really done to death
asciilifeform: decimation: why would such dignified folks show up in person. represented by idiots of the first kind, in nearly all cases.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt they exist at all.
decimation: why would they show up in irc?
decimation: I don't think they are involved here
asciilifeform: out of the other - the 'full spectrum dominance' folks who know exactly what they're doing.
mircea_popescu: maybe they should paint foodstamps in different colors
asciilifeform: there are two troughs.
decimation: it's interesting that they would go so far as to pay someone to attack sites
asciilifeform: nah that's on the stage
mircea_popescu: the world.
asciilifeform: when we aren't looking and the lights are out.
asciilifeform: i can't help but wonder what our little friends the gnomes chat about amongst themselves.
mircea_popescu: you just don't understand how the world works.
asciilifeform: pruning << the shitgnomes don't dare a hardfork. so they'll happily try a 'lossy softfork' - see how much functionality can be degraded (in this case, how much of the blockchain can be alzheimered) without hardforking.
mircea_popescu: and therefore MUST HAVE!!!1
mircea_popescu: they are like the usual assetions of the <del>socialist</del> five year old : they neglect everything except for what he wants.
decimation: the assertions he makes neglect a large pile of real-world costs
mircea_popescu: it's just not either brought honestly nor signed by its authors.
ben_vulpes: how would i get the size of an arbitrary block?
mircea_popescu: but as a general moral of the thing, one's best be careful to post on their blog trashing idiots like us* or else they risk appearing in victorious tweets like "oh noes, 5 economists reviewed this!!!", which is exactly how the empire works.
mircea_popescu: and if she did say this sucks, i have no way to know. which isn't consistent with the "smart" rating, sadly.
mircea_popescu: one that somehow forgot to come by and say "hey check out the derpage"
gribble: You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 00:45:23 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: She's smart..
mircea_popescu: ahahahh wait, she's one of the five economists ?
ben_vulpes: (just trolling - all the paupers have to)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Blocksize Economics | The Bitcoin Foundation
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell princesnell https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/10/blocksize-economics/ << what, you're collaborating with the empire nao?
decimation: ben_vulpes: just cause. I find it quite useful, the best personal organizer I have tried
mircea_popescu: as in sometimes they do, more or less impredictably so.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's kind of the intention, but it does not really work
ben_vulpes: side note about the 32mb number: andresen claims that as the largest message that can be sent in a single bitcoin p2p message.
ben_vulpes: integration with grep, ag, and the kill-ring visualization are pretty fantastic.
decimation: huh, thanks for the tip, will look into it
ben_vulpes: (mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4481/files#diff-c865a8939105e6350a50af02766291b7R605 << the first one, de-typo'd)
ben_vulpes: fuzzy completion in all of the places in which one'd want it?
ben_vulpes: but it's on the roadmap for 2015
mircea_popescu: decimation you can imagine his cold cold sweat once he finally figured out who exactly the "enthusiastic early adopters" were.
decimation: well, satoshi's original judgement was that these guys were pigfuckers, see ya later
mircea_popescu: and to think the guy went to princeton!
mircea_popescu: i mean it's ridoinculous, a five year old can smell the shit, yet supposedly pointing it out is somehow controversial and wildly speculative
mircea_popescu: decimation notice the typically usg sort of arguing involved.
mircea_popescu: but hey, i know, since we solved the blocksize through autopruning, we can make blocks one trilobyte long!
decimation: I like how on one had the sky is falling so we need bigger blocks, but on the other hand the sky is falling so we need a smaller blockchain
ben_vulpes: what is the actual serious problem?
ben_vulpes: cazalla: did you hear back from Conformal about the machines they used to come to their 32MB steady-state conclusion?
decimation: he has a complete version of openssl that will work with bitcoin, you can download the src.rpm and build for arbitrary unix
decimation: yeah that's the rhel bitcoin guy's point
ben_vulpes: debian and gentoo seem to be the choices.
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decimation: mr. yarvin had a post where he hypothesized that if there were a credible alternative to usg it would immediately crumble
decimation: yeah that's kinda true, except you would have the entire bureaucrat/media/faceless mass against you
mircea_popescu: decimation "I vote against this entire system and an immediate constitutional convention" <<< that's not on the ballot. you can actually convene one. like, right now.
decimation: I guess voting for vermin supreme would be the 'fuck you and the horse you rode in on' vote
mircea_popescu: <decimation> osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars << ahahhaha
decimation: kinda like the voter's version of nullification
decimation: I wish that there were an option on the us ballot for "I vote against this entire system and an immediate constitutional convention"
decimation: there's also predator and its 2 governors
decimation: this is a healthy development for their democracy, satan's world is on display
decimation: osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars
assbot: OpenPorts.se | The OpenBSD package collection
decimation: their packaging turd
decimation: oh yeah I am using the macports version
assbot: The MacPorts Project -- Available Ports
decimation: asciilifeform: is there a 'port' package for boost?
asciilifeform: once the toy os crap is junked, can 'have nice things'
mircea_popescu: why DID you think they're called "pencildicks" ?
undata: I mean, I've never stuck anything up there; could be great
mircea_popescu: undata the heel is metallic, but doesn't seem threaded...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's just the definition of "shoehorned"
mircea_popescu: the first time this happened chicks discovert it, i was like ew! and laughed at her. but then i forgot to say anything, so sure enough, next time...
mircea_popescu: with the pestle.
mircea_popescu: here's a funny story : i have a maid here. as maids do, she has decided on a sorting of items in my place and is enforcing it unless one tells her better. which is the great unknown and unsung power of the default.
mircea_popescu: a vm generally is possibly the way out.
decimation: I think a custom gentoo vm is the way to go
decimation: eh, it's the closest tool at hand
mircea_popescu: but apparently half the peons here are on os/x
asciilifeform recommends snippety-snip for the osx crap
decimation: I found that if you s/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/ the thing compiles (using macports g++-mp-4.7)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja even bother to read that thing.
mircea_popescu: decimation: ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? I find that there are weird linux dependencies in the irc code << i thought the irc code was out.
decimation: ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? I find that there are weird linux dependencies in the irc code
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/the-tok-o-capercaillie-or-the-herd-of-harts << mircea_popescu took delivery of some very potent smokables ?
asciilifeform: contains more or less the entire sop, other than the secret of how to operate jurov's turdatron.
mod6: lot of ideas have flown by in here over the last 2+ days, solid ideas that should be documented.
mod6: and more-over, all the steps/requirements involved in creating such a patch.
mod6: can someone take the time to create a document outlining how to submit a patch to said forthcoming mailing list?
cazalla: makes me wonder why mr hands didn't opt for a toy like that, must've been the horse itself
mircea_popescu: cazalla a preference of no labia is indicative of the pedo.
cazalla: seems most men prefer little to no labia but given one of the first i saw was a beat to shit jpg from a bbs, i would argue labia certainly have an aesthetic quality about them
mircea_popescu: Bomber with a bomb, off to kill you! If you're not an idiot, you'll shoot it down. Either you do, or it kills you! If it kills you, this brave plane, then he's a brave patriot and you're just as idiotically dead. On the contrary... well... it's a sore plane. Very sore plane. Otherwise, he died a patriot, flying a bomb your way, wanting to kill you. But lucky for you - you weren't an idiot.
cazalla: aren't they both?
asciilifeform: champions of synaesthesia.
mircea_popescu: it can ~feel~ the color!
mircea_popescu: they work wonders
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform similarly there's no substitute for salt pickles
mircea_popescu: jurov no, they're olphactorily signed