BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'ma bet the 3k u.s. hole in wall comes with 30k of debt tho. otherwise who would it be in them cardboard boxes. << Pasta base is reportely a hell of a drug and it is not a free drug
asciilifeform: i'ma bet the 3k u.s. hole in wall comes with 30k of debt tho. otherwise who would it be in them cardboard boxes.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so why 'squatter law' then << Because there are hole in walls that don't have addresses, quite a few near feria zone. Occupy, sign up for a power connection, and get an address.
asciilifeform: waltz the peru chick on that pnoje repair counter
asciilifeform: so why 'squatter law' then
BingoBoingo: They don't seem to. Couple older dudes appear to live in the back rooms of their larger kioskos
asciilifeform: do they have the u.s.-style wank where 'ohnoez you can't LIVE here, it's COMMERCIAL addy' ?
BingoBoingo: Can improvise a locking door for hole in wall and play squatter's law game to regularize the address
asciilifeform: but prolly not much moar so than the holes in wall.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these all look to be same type of item.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the broken dreams category https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/inmuebles/llave-negocio/venta/montevideo/venta-locales
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that dun look habitable either
asciilifeform: there was a shithole like that in the carriageway of the 19th c megablock asciilifeform grew up in. d00d fixed clocks.
asciilifeform: there is also that it loox like literally 4 sq. m. room, a la ru prison, no bed space.
asciilifeform: there is that.
BingoBoingo: Well, can sell rakes. But who knows what debts privious operator incurred with odd agencies that attach to the cell phone business
asciilifeform: and if you'd rather sell rakes ?
BingoBoingo: That's the buyer beware
BingoBoingo: No, that's a sale price, but you are stuck with the operating cell phone repair business
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma bet that's either a rent price , a misprint, or a bold lie
BingoBoingo: Well, there are also kioskos located away from foot traffic too https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457117648-local-en-venta-reparacion-de-celulares-quiniela-pilas-etc-_JM
BingoBoingo: Apartments of the same or smaller size as Pizarro habitation module have a list price of ~100,000 USD even for sale. Rent for 14,500 to 16,000 pesos.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i have nfi who and why would pay that for a 2room orc box << That's the ask. It's a sale not a rental. Gotta break some balls
asciilifeform: loox rather familiar.
asciilifeform: ( whether there'll be a third time, i have nfi, possibly thing has no moar life juice remaining to stand up a third time )
asciilifeform: from looking with the right magnifying glass, asciilifeform formed distinct impression that jp was raped by usg in erry hole not once, as ordinarily supposed, but ~twice~.
asciilifeform: was pretty concrete thing, rather than vapour as ordinarily presented in anglowank.
asciilifeform: jp was a hair's width away from picking up the torch that anglotardistan dropped, and anglos knew this, and so in late '80s they engineered an economic implosion for'em
asciilifeform: ( it dun help that asciilifeform's jp is ~on par with a kindergartener's. slowly works on fixing this, but it's a far backburner item and i dun expect to get far in the near fyootoor )
asciilifeform: all buried beneath the sands, even moar so than bolix.
asciilifeform: 'Before leaving this subject, I should mention that there have been a number of interesting LISP Machine designs done outside the U.S., particularly in Japan. For example, see [Hayashi]' << asciilifeform once spent coupla months trying to dig up these. and europistan's 'racal norsk' also. found ~0.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 18:23 amberglint: I found a couple more bits about the Ivory https://i.imgur.com/m5HvPHA.png https://i.imgur.com/QEzR2po.png
asciilifeform: pet : 'let's throw out THE OF' a : 'only if you write me a new one'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 18:15 mircea_popescu: i esp like the - , ! sendoff
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876522 << relatedly i have an old cruddy b00k in back room shelf, where spine reads 'THE OF' (some claptrap by b. russel, iirc, faded )
asciilifeform: did give him a door to knock on, if the former.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876420 lulz from the morning, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7TIRX/?raw=true
asciilifeform: 'Some lines have been removed or altered due to offensive language or for not relating to the topic.' rly? srsly?
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/there-are-channels-for-that/ << Daniel P. Barron - There are channels for that
BingoBoingo: Brazil's a sort of Germany. It's the first place to look for capital equipment to rent on the continent
asciilifeform: ftr mayakovsky had the presence of mind to eat ~his~ mauser when it dawned on him that things weren't playing out.
BingoBoingo: In other local business transactions... guess who from http://bingology.net/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#selection-271.0-271.86 is for sale https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457471764-venta-local-comercial-pocitos-alquilado-dueno-directo-sc-_JM
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/feds-issue-fines-and-cuffs-to-older-black-men-and-their-handlers-over-endorsement-deals/ << Qntra - Feds Issue Fines And Cuffs To Older Black Men And Their Handlers Over Endorsement Deals
BingoBoingo: In other news, the poor kiosk on the block was apparently a victim of walk in and walk out with something shoplifting for a second time this week
asciilifeform: ( or even ~whether~ to -- rly, become piano tuner just cuz i have this 1 piano that's out of tune.. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's a biz, there are folx who do it, i've talked to half dozen of'em last yr ( all in cn , 0 in latrine america ) -- but i dun presently know how to break into it
asciilifeform: ... and then you need customers.
asciilifeform: ( or rather, for recent crapola you'd need ion accelerator and other items that quickly take the buildup cost to 6 figs , even if bought 2ndhand )
asciilifeform: i kinda suspect that if there's a pro microscopist reading these threads, he's busting his gut laughing just like surgeon may have laughed at the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739725 thread
asciilifeform: ( it ~is~ possible to rent e.g. oscilloscopes. but by the time you do it, you'll forget why you even wanted )
BingoBoingo: Having a rebuilt caterpillar is usually a result of it being inconvenient to rent when it brings the most convenience
BingoBoingo: Or how often the road needs snow plowed
BingoBoingo: That part's harder to discern. Depends on how often the other tractors sink into the muck
asciilifeform: why would they do this
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it's rather like a 'caterpillar'. how many folx do you know who have own 'caterpillar' and dun work it erry day for daily bread. << At least 3 come to mind
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 23:13 mircea_popescu: but if i buy coffee grinder for factory, it is to work at all times, and girls will change their schedule to keep it going, not it to accomodate them.
asciilifeform: it's rather like a 'caterpillar'. how many folx do you know who have own 'caterpillar' and dun work it erry day for daily bread.
asciilifeform: i'ma leave this one to the experts.
asciilifeform: ( as i understand , it's a++ real estate, supposing you were to redditbag all of the bipedals )
BingoBoingo: They haven't quite locked her up yet
asciilifeform: just picture, if they'd kept the whore , the argentards might finally have keeled over and mircea_popescu would possibly be done by now bulldozing the ruins and terraforming like mars
BingoBoingo: If you gotta feed the Argentards soy, why not feed them crap while China's buying the good stuff
BingoBoingo: Sure, but they swing between "Make Miami in Ecuador" and "Make Ecuador Miami Again"
asciilifeform: i dun think they'd swallow a 'this is worth 500, rly, srsly' 'receipt' for it.
asciilifeform: i still can't fucking believe that d00d. 'my experiment requires 3 litres of virgin tears' 'hey al, i took 300 virgins and ran then rom-coms until they cried 3L, here it is in a mason jar' 'but! reasons!'
asciilifeform: ^ somewhere in the old thrds.
asciilifeform: had all the requisite backroom deals & all, but not the fist-sized benzyl xtal, so no dice.
asciilifeform: sorta how asciilifeform had 'the keys' in 2010 and had all the ducks lined up to run schwartz eotvos, and would have at least achieved some lulz if uncle al had not chickened
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you odn't like uruguay for the purpose ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 21:40 mircea_popescu: < kanzure> jrayhawk_: would you be willing to host a microscope? responsibilities would include keeping it plugged in and internet connected. also there would be an irc bot that controls where it looks. you'd also be pestered to load samples periodically. << did this 2014 idea ever get implemented ?
asciilifeform: the surplus units want 10 or so square metres tho, of decent climate-controlled floor.
asciilifeform: if i had the floor space, would just pick up surplus SEM, it costs approx same as ~good~ optic funnily enuff
asciilifeform: when using mounted slr, focus is solely in the microscope's optics
mircea_popescu: (this is not strictly about jpg. ~any~ image compressing/processing/fucking with the sensor data is dubious. even using such a thing as the camera's "soft" focus (as opposed to the lens-driven hard focus, some handhelds offer this internal processor-driven cvasi-focus) is a bad idea for this task. exact discussion of "whitening" and other such pattern-inserting nonsense from crypto)
mircea_popescu: the problem with the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876736 standard is that one can take relatively few chances.
mircea_popescu: it may look the same to you, and to anyone else. but if it flipped over a pixel somewhere you're looking at a potential man-year to find where the fuck.
SeanRiddle: When I starting posting pics I was hosting my domain at home and the big pics would kill my access. blogspot limits the max size, so I uploaded to wikimedia. Now I'm using a real web host, so I guess I could put everything there.
mircea_popescu: SeanRiddle why the hell would you use this batshit insane process. what's wrong with linking things like sane people, off your own domain and all ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 19:52 SeanRiddle: That's the lo-res pic. Wikimedia sometimes chokes on my big pics, and I have to upload smaller ones. Go down to the File History and there's a link to a 43Kx45K pixel pic.
mircea_popescu: re : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876662 what one ends up doing is curl -k 'https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/archive/4/44/20180902023042!Oki_m6283_metal.jpg/114px-Oki_m6283_metal.jpg' > sean.jpg (note the quotes because wikipedia is made by pedos who are also retarded, and includes bashes and shit).
mircea_popescu: the idea being that there's an absolute limit to optical microscopy due to quantum phenomena (hence the heisenberg reference, his original work as critiqued by bohr dealt exactly with this). however, these limits also depend on frequency, and from comparing measurements in different lights one can get some error correction.
SeanRiddle: I haven't. Fiji can do focus stacking, but I haven't tried that yet. I've got an XY table and I rigged a stepper to the focus knob, so I could take n pics at different focus for each tile.
asciilifeform: at any rate the q is answerable. (~if~ we had with what to look inside)
mircea_popescu: i will take my chances on these four deuces. "engineers", i know what this means.
asciilifeform: naturally designer gave the machine hints as to where to put what
asciilifeform: hence the 'ns' threads
asciilifeform: supposedly it was 100% machine-genned (possibly the 1st such ic)
mircea_popescu: a horse that goes 90% of the way to paris still can't make any part of stagecoach to paris.
asciilifeform: ideally you find the repeating patterns of transistorage and go straight to functional units ( granted this is only practical for bolix, 486, and newer, where there actually ~exist~ these units, as opposed to hand-optimized arbitrary transistorage )
mircea_popescu: yes -- nevertheless, it'd actually make fucking sense, as opposed to prayer-driven methodology.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is certainly physically possible to do it that way, but the recognition is at best O(N^2) so one'd need some rather substantial irons; and also correspondingly moar sensitive to specks of dust in photo
mircea_popescu: (the "tree massager" in question being another major moving part we lack, obviously.)
asciilifeform: and ~then~ ( and this is what we have, but su reversers did not ) you load the thing into a (fairly inexpensive) fpga and try functional tests.
mircea_popescu: if you were to attempt to do ~more~ machined reversing than merely "build me netlist", wouldn't the correct approach be to a) build binary tree of transistors and b) sick tree massager on it ?
asciilifeform: rather than 'raw netlist of transistor'
asciilifeform: what one does, is to try to determine the repeating functional blocks ( adders, shifters, srams, etc )
asciilifeform: the reason why the scheme is possible to do at all, is that the transistor is not the fundamental semantic unit of the device
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there any difference between the netlist and a binary tree of transistors ?
mircea_popescu: rather productive discussion.
mircea_popescu: the more we tal;k about this, the more it's evident what's lacking isn't MERELY x or y. we're lacking a buncha pieces here.
asciilifeform: would ideally be sumthing that doesn't blow 100 bytes on erry bit of the image like that htmlistic war crime does.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 19:24 asciilifeform: on other front, phf : on occasion of the most recent bolix thread , i went and looked again at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771955 artifact ; it is interesting that they provided 128 iron types, incl. bignum, but not a 'bignum of fixed N words'. i guess in '80s ~nobody was thinking of crypto at all. ( and i was prolly unduly pessimistic to the orig finder of $item, it is prolly 95% of what's needed for cycle-accurate clone.
asciilifeform: as it is, micrography only good as 'part of balanced diet' along with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876069 intel and the like.
mircea_popescu: i hereby dub one possible end result of this process "the bugbolix plague".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, gotta preprocess the thing to get a draft netlist (i.e. what's connected to what) and only then can walk the photos to search for barfolade
asciilifeform: fwiw in su they cloned ic's photographically, without any attempt to actually grasp the contents
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and for the puyrpose of fit in head, do you agree 2.4k pics with margins better than 600mb flatpile ?
asciilifeform: there is no escape from this.
mircea_popescu: maybe you end up with bugbolix machine, accurate to the collection of userland software bugs.
asciilifeform: all that presently exists in the wild is 1) small number of actual 'ivory' machines/cards, where could put cloned ic 2) the software/os stack
mircea_popescu: but i mean... you don't even have the spec against which to check this "works" ?
mircea_popescu: how do you know when they're done ?
asciilifeform: otherwise 1000 manyears.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they do sit with needle. but only ~after~, to correct obvious oopses in ocr.
asciilifeform: ( esp. considering that the transistors were placed by machine to begin with, so they aint in any human-comprehensible order like they are on z80 or 6502 etc )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's always machined, it's more or less impossible otherwise.
mircea_popescu: is the idea to do machined reversing ?
asciilifeform: in pro shops, they use microscope with stepper motor
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876669 << wouldn't it be easier to just present them separate ? not like people can't cat at home.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 19:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was this the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mp.gif thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he does : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix_ivory.jpg object dun look removable, but rather like it was inserted from other end
SeanRiddle: I can see traces on the pin side, making me think that the die bonds to them and the heatsink on top is the bottom of the die.
asciilifeform: amberglint: indeed, link is in the log
SeanRiddle: Looking at the package, I'm guessing the protrusion on the bottom would pop off, revealing the top of the die.
mircea_popescu: re argentine lulz, it seems there's an unadvertised trade war going on, in the limited sense that the us produces some soy the chinese deem too shitty to buy. better living through chemistry results.
amberglint: twenty of them were recently scrapped for gold...
asciilifeform: ( it aint even matter of cost; simply we're dealing with an almost-extinct animal. there's maybe a few dozen of these left in the wild, optimistically )
asciilifeform: if i had 5 or 6 of the 'ivories' i would happily give 1 to SeanRiddle , ftr. but currently must pass.
SeanRiddle: Heh - I was not told the value! Why not use a pro decapper? But you wouldn't torch that package.
asciilifeform: SeanRiddle: the link 404's
asciilifeform: SeanRiddle: just so you're aware of the orig subj -- the ic we were looking to see decapped is worth mebbe 10,000 $ ea. ( and at that, i have 0 guarantee of being able to find more . ever. ) i have a grand total of 2.
SeanRiddle: That one was a blowtorch decap, so some of the dirt is residue from the plastic encapsulation. I can clean that with HN03.
asciilifeform: ( and there are at least a dozen micrographs available )
SeanRiddle: I'm taking jpgs with the camera and then stitching those with fiji. It looks as good to me as using RAW, but a lot easier.
asciilifeform: SeanRiddle: is this the orig form of the https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Oki_m6283_metal.jpg item ? with dust & all ?
amberglint: asciilifeform: can you cut the picture back with something like imagemagick?
asciilifeform: ( what it also does, is prevent from loading the pic in sections, which is annoying )
asciilifeform sadly does not yet have with what to actually look at the photo
SeanRiddle: That's the lo-res pic. Wikimedia sometimes chokes on my big pics, and I have to upload smaller ones. Go down to the File History and there's a link to a 43Kx45K pixel pic.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i guess, if there's any hero waiting in the wings to cut teeth on some code... it's not THAT intricate.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876486 >> notbad, e.g. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Oki_m6283_metal.jpg , but still can't see individual transistors there, unless i'm missing sumthing
asciilifeform: in earlier days there were also folx stuffing strings into block hdrs, but dunno if this is still in fashion, and at any rate no longer doable if you aint chinese, to 1st approx
asciilifeform: costs whatever the miner fee is, plus epsilon for payload ( most of the current chinese won't mine a 0-summing tx iirc )
asciilifeform: hey didn't sumbody stuff in 'goldbug' virus from 1993 , and thereby trigger microshit's av
mircea_popescu: (by the way, since we're doing usg pretense & impotence : the bitcoin blockchain DOES factually contain child porn. exactly 0 anyone can do about this, which is why exactly 0 mention of this in pravda & co. much like exactly 0 mention on #metoo of all the "evil white men of patriarchy" that laughed @metootard all the way to the brothel.)
asciilifeform: ( then can encode txt as dest addrs )
asciilifeform: it's easier if you dun intend to recirculate the coinz.
asciilifeform: ( it wasn't obv from the link )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's several ways to 'add text' , aha , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490
mircea_popescu: your own "blockchain telegraphy" and a buncha "child porn in blockchain" antiqua are there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a small space in a tx to add some text.
asciilifeform: current mit is a kind of nursing home, as i gather
asciilifeform: ( somewhere on my hdd, there's a photo of shrobe walking across a stage holding up a 3620 , the kind in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51 , in his hands, 'looksy, first 'portable' bolix' )
asciilifeform: amberglint: he's 1 of the folx i've tried writing to, in past yrs, perhaps you'll have better luck than i
amberglint: asciilifeform: I'll try to ask Howard Shrobe about the layers, maybe he still remembers if he deigns to answer
asciilifeform: or is this 1 of those heathen 'blockchain info' 'append note to your tx' promisetronic thingies
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 17:27 mircea_popescu: btw Mocky -- teh bot dies through the following : often it makes so much stuff in one click it overwhelms its weight carrying capacity. any chance you can implement a fragmenter-if-overweight ? it's often enough to be a pain in the ass by now.
Mocky: "The other address has one notable transaction which is sent from 1JEWSxAgGhSFuNPHUAr13zftNLjYt5wZaS and 1MoSSaDDSStrRo53YjPaGcXiABAXfYuvEL. A dust transaction, it was confirmed in block 551895."
Mocky: The U.S. government cannot ban Bitcoin addresses" http://archive.is/jwoB9#selection-1777.0-1793.48
Mocky: "Still, a total of 6-7 transactions had been sent to the addresses by time of writing, some with intriguing transaction details. For instance, this transaction has an embedded message:
BingoBoingo: But yes, somehow they can afford reactor + crew from russia
BingoBoingo: Argentina claims to be exporting their whole soy crop to china. I guess they are trying to live off of whatever percent difference minus transport.
mircea_popescu: so what do they DO!!!! anymore!
amberglint: he shared them with people who are working on PDP-10 emulation
asciilifeform: could have the crown jewels, or not, nobodyknows.
mircea_popescu: eh, the red stapler guy, shit's always at his house. periodically they find a "traitor" fo this kind, had 9000 "secret" hard drives in basement.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dks ? made pretty convincing case that they aint at his house ( but whoknows )
mircea_popescu: amberglint best bet prolly hanging about when the dood what's his name croaks and buying the debris in his house.
amberglint: I wish I could locate the actual docs for NS
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876374 << item looks rather like 1980s era soviet collegiate campus.
asciilifeform: amberglint: they're pretty sweet 4core arm64 boxen; i assembled and engentoo'd with own hand
amberglint: asciilifeform: I'll consider it, thank you for the offer
asciilifeform: for photo-heavy / warez etc www, i'd recommend the rk
asciilifeform: there is !
mircea_popescu: wasn't there also a shared setup ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman presently uses, and BingoBoingo , and a few other folx, worx great
asciilifeform: amberglint: there's an unsold rk ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 ) machine at pizarro, waiting for somebody's sweet bl0g
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:47 asciilifeform: to be fair the company was not really a honest commercial co, moar like one of those unofficial usg research institutes, they proliferated under reagan and died with him
mircea_popescu: and people envied them for it and even considered defecting to it, and so on.
a111: Logged on 2015-06-25 07:05 mircea_popescu: "Our Solutions Leadership About Us Careers News Contact" who the fuck thought this is how you do it ? it's almost like the soviet butcher, "we're the advertising shop, we don't have publishers. fish is what they don't have in the shop down the street"
mircea_popescu: and wives that actually worked and banks that actually worked and suppliers and everything else that actually worked ; and very little of the soviet http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-25#1176177
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall that these folx had automation that actually worked.
mircea_popescu: remember back when they had folks who went to school ? "elite" husband-and-wife team could bake a great z80 game over a summer, and so on.
asciilifeform: However, the common way of measuring chip complexity is to count the number of transistor sites; this measures the size of the internal ROMs better. Using that count, this is one of the largest chip ever done, containing nearly 400,000 transistor sites. The chip was designed very quickly (it took about 9 months from the freezing of the architecture to the first prototype chip, using a team of only 4 designers).'
asciilifeform: 'Figure 24 show some statistics about Ivory. The size of the chip was about a centimeter-and-a-half on a side in the earliest version which was done using 2-micron CMOS technology. The first commercial version will be done in a 1.6 micron process and will be about a centimeter on a side, as is the TI chip. This makes it a very large, (but not impossibly large), chip to fabricate. There are about 255,000 actual transistors on the die.
asciilifeform: 'It is of tiie same complexity as an Intel 80386 or a Motorola 68030. Figure 21 is a photomicrograph of the chip (chip people always seem to need to show their chip pictures). The Ivory chip is more or less divided into three horizontal slices; the top is the datapath and stack cache, the middle is the control system, and the bottom is the memory interface. In the middle of the control system is a very large microstore, again compara
mircea_popescu: https://epdf.tips/silicon-processing-for-the-vlsi-era-deep-submicron-process-technology.html << notbad likbez.
asciilifeform: simply means there's 2 metal layer ( conductors ) .
mircea_popescu: all those delicious %20s, the unerring sign of computer iliteracy.
amberglint: here's the pdf: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bal19et85pwc5yb/Howard%20Shrobe-Exploring%20Artificial%20Intelligence.%20Survey%20Talks%20from%20the%20National%20Conferences%20on%20Artificial%20Intelligence-Elsevier%20Inc%2C%20Morgan%20Kaufmann%20Pub%20%281988%29.pdf?dl=0
asciilifeform: iirc phf ( and apparently nobody else ) has the actual pinout, but iirc it is on a tape or the like and he hasn't posted yet
amberglint: I can share the whole pdf if you want
amberglint: it's from Howard Shrobe's "Exploring Artificial Intelligence. Survey Talks from the National Conferences on Artificial Intelligence"
asciilifeform: oh hey the die size
amberglint: I found a couple more bits about the Ivory https://i.imgur.com/m5HvPHA.png https://i.imgur.com/QEzR2po.png
asciilifeform: ( prior to these, masks were drawn 'by hand', on room-sized film, with actual pieces of electrician's tape )
asciilifeform: item was 1 of the 1st ( if not ~the~ first ) machine-layout'd ic's, so it won't be as simple to re as the early 80s cpus
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix-1987-baker.pdf ( warning: pdfturd/scan ) has the only known die shot
mircea_popescu: стихи << does english even have "stih" ? certainly ro word, and afaik they have "diptych" and such later greek derivatives...
mircea_popescu: i esp like the - , ! sendoff
mircea_popescu: so the chip is what, 4mm or so tall ?
asciilifeform: my notes say that it is either '2um cmos' by vlsi co., or '1um cmos' (hp co) if later edition (not known which one we have)
asciilifeform: loox like top is au-plated iron thermal lid, bottom -- ceramic.
mircea_popescu: what do you do if there's multiple layers anyway ?
SeanRiddle: So the die's upside down, huh?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't you say amberglint's fellow is the decapper / comic dude ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think he's the comic d00d
SeanRiddle: A lot of the pics on wikimedia are 40Kx40K pixels
mircea_popescu: SeanRiddle is it a case you have high resolution photos and lack hosting for them ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 15:50 asciilifeform: http://www.seanriddle.com/sc1die.html << suggests that this is the case, the link to 'Here's a 17436x15128 pixel version (HD View on another server)' goes to some microshit site that doesn't actually load for me
asciilifeform: SeanRiddle: i tried to look at the high res samples on your www, but found only http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875711
SeanRiddle: I'm using Whink to remove the passivation layer and top metal layer.
trinque: deedbot's based upon that, usually reconnects, but it is looking like there's a case where it does not.
SeanRiddle: I can decap it and get pics, and if it's simple enough I can remove the top metal layer and get more pics, but someone will need to vectorize it to RE it
mircea_popescu: i kept trying to get a comic going, oglaf chick wouldn't do it, that midnight_on_mars dood with the http://pictures.hentai-foundry.com/m/MidnightonMars/435591/MidnightonMars-435591-Secret_Obsession_-_Overwatch.jpg too fucktarded to communicate...
asciilifeform: trinque: i can't speak for deedbot, but the ircbot code i put pehbot on doesn't autoreconnect at all
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 15:44 asciilifeform: amberglint: that's the basic litmus test. if comes, gets in wot, then ~possibly~ serious
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the alleged ic rev d00d
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a pity san fernando valley was all morons in the 90s. could have bought disney, turn it into slut educational tool.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i kinda got the same "oh, we're cluless, aren't we cute tho".
asciilifeform: 'where they cut off yer lips! if they dun like yer smile! it's barbaric, but hey it's home!'
mircea_popescu: jungle book was honest, in this sense. pillaged their own anglo narratives.