jurov: punkman what if i secretly extend the bundle and make a payment to new addy
TomServo: dignork: Just saw those, cool stuff. Might have to get one so I can resist the urge stepping up to one of these USRP beasts.
dignork: And apparently it should work out of the box with pentoo
dignork: TomServo: it should be easier with HackRF, the guy even made some decent training videos: https://greatscottgadgets.com/sdr/
punkman: I don't think it is, here's the implementation bot uses though: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blob/master/lib/bitcoin.py#L258
jurov: that's the question.
jurov: bitcoin solves it by using double sha256, otherwise it's solved by using HMAC
jurov: it allows to add data in the end and update hash .. but not sure it can ve exploited here somehow
jurov: punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key << ever heard of hash extension attack?
dignork: TomServo: I've got this: http://www.amazon.com/NooElec-Previously-Compatible-Packages-Guaranteed/dp/B009U7WZCA but the jury is still out. gnuradio is a pain to configure, but hardware is recognized: http://dpaste.com/093MJ7H
TomServo: Regarding the /. article?
jurov: or they'd have to make me a golden toilet new ones
jurov: re:ebama tent - my fkn hearing aids broadcast everything to each other
thestringpuller: I wonder if this huge push on sidechains is because the power rangers realize the blocksize ain't increasing anytime soon...
punkman: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/05/what-happened-the-the-mythical-undetectable-plastic-gun/
Naphex: then delivery it over several types of interfaces
Naphex: a enterprise node, hook into trusted bitcoin core nodes over P2p protocol. Index and cache the data
Naphex: yeah so the thing is..
Mikayla: I believe another banker died via a nail gun
thestringpuller: if you have a narrow hallway and a group of combatants is coming down it, you can just unload blindly and you'll probably hit most of them
chetty: <Mikayla> some movies they have a little too much ammo//some? a little too much? ,hah movies guns never run out of bullets
Mikayla: some movies they have a little too much ammo
Mikayla: oh I thought we meant the movie
Mikayla: pre The Walking Dead
thestringpuller: Random: The walking dead gave me nightmares, and I didn't even watch it.
Mikayla: What is the topic of today?
punkman: I read "coinscrum" as "coinscrotum" for a second there
punkman: "important to emphasise that investor assets are never held by Bullion Bitcoin in its own right: investors either hold allocated gold in their own allocated gold account, or they hold an identifiable amount of allocated gold bullion held on their behalf, or they hold an identifiable Bitcoin holding verifiable on the Blockchain"
Naphex: well i was the protocol is something that i was looking for, with asset servers. the cryptography its pretty simple
thestringpuller: Naphex: the comments are great
Naphex: thestringpuller: title should be enough :)
bounce: <mircea_popescu> " regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don?t do something very foolish" << in a sense this is an open invitation for some agency or institute or whatnot to step up. "bring it before us and we'll pass judgement", with suitable PR to suitably spin it up and answer the inevitable "you and what army?" questions.
mircea_popescu: <undata> but to what end, then? << you seen miller's crossing ?
undata: it must just be what things look like when they're unraveling.
undata: but to what end, then?
BingoBoingo: Eh, sometimes they are out to get you.
undata: our system just bloats like that, needs to create new bureaus and buy them fancy tanks and drones
undata: if I were conspiracy minded, I'd say they're preparing for that now with the militarization of police, etc
undata: I can't see the next 20 years going well for most people here.
undata: or rather, for show
mircea_popescu: well, like sex is no longer fashionable so the girl will claim she was "raped", just so the visit by two state employees to confiscate some contraband is called a "raid"
mircea_popescu: undata obama finished the reorganisation of everthing law enforcement as a homeland security sub.
undata: the country's going crazy
BingoBoingo: I was actually wondering what the market would be for silk thongs with the butt thread made of authentic Obama tis
mircea_popescu: hopefully they now make homeland security panties
BingoBoingo: Copyrastas, the panties broke trademark law or were counterfeit or something
BingoBoingo: At least until the datacenters running bitcoin nodes become nuclear powers.
BingoBoingo: I suppose that is also a concern. Maybe the current practice for the warrant canary lacks room for improvement.
mircea_popescu: so the person in question can be charged with conspiracy "?
BingoBoingo: I guess. I'm just trying to think of a verifiable deed sort of version that could be concealed from the warrant industry until triggered
mircea_popescu: once it disappears, irrespective of what the usg propaganda machine claims, it's happened.
BingoBoingo: Sign a message asserting that passing the balance between the two addresses fuctions as your warrant canary and GPG crypt the message to a few trusted parties that can release the signed doc if the behavior consituting the canary ceases
mircea_popescu: the law can not compel one to lie, and so as long as that statement appears, it's not happened
mircea_popescu: no, the way these things work is the company has a firm negative statement published. "we have not been approached to so and so".
BingoBoingo: It's definitely far from a robust system, especially considering a MITM could force delivery of the pre-canary image
mircea_popescu: this comic font business is neither passive nor unavoidable
BingoBoingo: The canary isn't a guarantee they haven't been approached, but it's being triggered should seem to be a guarentee they have.
BingoBoingo: Why, because they aren't Apple who has the press gloss over "The canary died because it became unecessary, not because a warrant came to kill it"
mircea_popescu: but they'd be legally forbidden from stopping hitting that button.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I would figure that to keep the server from displaying the comic sans image someone has to keep hitting the "We haven't been served yet" button.
mircea_popescu: all payments move to smaller units and the story ends
mircea_popescu: magic numbers are all equal. if 99.999999% of bitcoin were destroyed as you describe, the remainder coupla hundred btc will play the role of twenty million
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The header text on the libressl.org page is part of the jpg with the pufferfish. If the warrant canary triggers the header text becomes comic sans is my reading of it.
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> perhaps, or it's not worth anything to anyone any more << that's pure nonsense.
assbot: and the libressl warrant canary is... you guessed it, comic sans. https://t.co/bx6nNNg6Tn http://t.co/uWLw8ao6nf
undata: where the US govt subsidized people buying new cars, as long as they gave their old cars in to be destroyed
undata: TheNewDeal: for some reason that reminded me of cash for clunkers
BingoBoingo: Well, the remaining Bitcoins on version 1.0 increase in value and people wonder when Dr. Evil is going to dump those BTC he raised under the influence of ether
TheNewDeal: It would mean that there were at least some people who decided it was worth getting rid of their bitcoin to check out bitcoin 2.0
gribble: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/>; Can We Stabilize the Price of Cryptocurrency? - Connection Science ...: <http://connection.mit.edu/Iwamura-Kitamura201407.pdf>; Is Bitcoin a viable currency? - MIT Sloan School of Management: <http://mitsloan.mit.edu/finance/blog/?p=466>
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> well it's like this, you know at least some finite amount of worth was destroyed to generate new pile of shitcoin << Spz Dr. Evil burned all of the coins on Bitstamp to "fund" an altchain. What would that do?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> at least, that's my understanding, would like to know if it's incorrect. << there's other ways to verify too, but this one definitely works.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal so ?
mircea_popescu: <PeterL> are you familiar with the deedbot? << exactly.
mircea_popescu: but if you're trying to prevent the asshole from getting resources, why even consider the matter, just ignore it.
mircea_popescu: but you gotta decide which line you're going. inasmuch as it keeps the asshole from getting resources, yes it's better than giving him bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well, would you say that the best way to help your poor neighbour is to burn some soup ?
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> do you think that's true? << no, it's stupid.
decimation: so in your blob you put the chronological list of hashes for all deeds - user will be able to confirm that this blob was indeed put into the blockchain by deedbot
TheNewDeal: I think he also is going to add all the commands here later http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots
undata: then you have a private key
decimation: so if I'm reading that correctly, the list of sha256 hashes of all the deeds would allow one to 'detect deeds'
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 20:32:15; punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key
undata: decimation: you'd need something that indicates "this is a deed" and also has a magnet link for the whole signed message
decimation: so either: mirror deedbot or embed your magnet links to deedbot's signed blob
decimation: well, no the blob isn't
decimation: the website is just a pointer
decimation: it's in the blockchain
undata: they require some website
undata: decimation: that's what bugs me about a lot of these services
undata: turn the thing into a hash db with references
undata: I'm thinking you could implement something like a database index which is the distributed content of a given magnet link
PeterL: yes, that is the point of it
decimation: yeah doesn't deedbot write to the blockchain?
PeterL: are you familiar with the deedbot?
decimation: Yeah you would have to have some method of referencing the blob
undata: I've thought a lot about spending magnet links into the blockchain too
decimation: I think the conclusion was that you would make a blob and then put the hash in the blockchain somehow
decimation: undata: signing stuff in the blockchain was discussed a few weeks ago
TheNewDeal: I think it's somewhat novel, but I'm not quite the resident expert
undata: I'd actually like some feedback on the WoT in blockchain idea
undata: here's one thing I've considered spending into the blockchain
TheNewDeal: They say that burning bitcoin, or sending it to a bitcoin blackhole, is a great way to fund an altcoin
assbot: Ken Shirriff's blog: Hidden surprises in the Bitcoin blockchain and how they are stored: Nelson Mandela, Wikileaks, photos, and Python software
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal he's being difficult.
TheNewDeal: why wouldn't you just send this over to the testnet?
TheNewDeal: so you're proposing an extremely expensive twitter that would spit out a bunch of transactions on the blockchain?
mircea_popescu: "We also need to find the sender's address, so we know where to send the money. This is done by looking at the inputs of the original transaction. The transaction can have multiple inputs that are all under the control of the sending party. We just send everything back to one of the input addresses at random."
asciilifeform: 'closeouts and de-accreditations shall comply with the following procedures... Reset safe combinations to 50-25-50 and lock the containers.' << ahaha, default pw.
gribble: SIPRNet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRNet>; SIPRNet - Popular Mechanics: <http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-security/what-is-siprnet-and-wikileaks-4085507>; Siprnet: where America stores its secret cables | US news | The ...: <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/28/siprnet-america-stores-secret-cables>
mircea_popescu: you mean where private first class amanda stole all the data ?
asciilifeform: this, incidentally, is the bush-era document specifying 'obama tent' but also all chambers in which mega-top-dildonic-pleasure-secret clearance work is permitted.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in this particular case the best rebuttal is letting the guy do whatever he does after "setting sights"
mircea_popescu: maybe we should just publish a schematic, help these dumbasses self-rebutt
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/c84cd8e033cffae31806f8ad76b92cef/tumblr_nczqdtps5Q1qzaw65o1_500.jpg
asciilifeform: potentially-exploitable crash of unix 'patch' << repeating this in order to remind the turdatron folks of the gravity of their situation.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> ya know, over the past month i've been reading articles, there has been many fluff pieces that keep pushing this idea that bitcoin the technology is what is valuable and not the "currency" <<< yep. classic approach. "it's not the barrel that we're affraid of, it's the crazy shit stuck on all sides of rifle".
cazalla: an example, altogether, maybe i need some coffee
assbot: Innovation spaces where Oliver Bussman lives the dream
cazalla: http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2014-10-27/fintech-news-2-oliver-bussman-ubs?ea9c8a2de0ee111045601ab04d673622 is a example of what i said earlier, this guy drops bitcoin all together and just calls it blockchain. "Thats quite a list. The trend he puts at the top of his list is blockchain, the underlying technology behind Bitcoin, which he says is the megatrend with the biggest potential to bring change to the financial services sector
asciilifeform: and did you folks miss the potentially-exploitable crash of unix 'patch' i got the other day?
undata: love the JRE
undata: thestringpuller: I watched that one :)
BingoBoingo: Sheltering in Place: The S.NSA Story
undata: forgive the video
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why theft is not an acceptable source of evidence << it won't be a legal, but a vivisectionary proceeding. like us loling at the snowden crap.
undata: cazalla: he's a shittier Bill Maher for the internet, without even the redeemer of being funny
cazalla: ya know, over the past month i've been reading articles, there has been many fluff pieces that keep pushing this idea that bitcoin the technology is what is valuable and not the "currency", andreas kick this shit off with "blockchain technology" and now everyone is repeating this shit
mircea_popescu: the general idea is that nobody who gets involved into something like this in any capacity and on any side survives. period.
ben_vulpes: "death of the preivous hard fork" meaning the actions that brought everyone onto the same chain?
mircea_popescu: well, the death of the previous hard fork (the one gavin & hearn created) happened through the cooperation of the meanwhile defunct 50btc guild.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at some point, perhaps, a major mine operator will be pwned and his crown jewels throw to the mob. then we can study live code. << why would anyone do that ? it's difficult to trust the authenticity of a stolen thing, which is why theft is not an acceptable source of evidence in legal proceedings
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: actual - doubtful << if i ever have to create you as a character, i'll have you watching the special olympics and then mutter to yourself "i wonder why they're trying to act handicaps" << I imagine this scene happening with alf in a tent. No context is given for the tent until he gets up to take a shit and the view sees the tend is in an otherwise pedestrian living room and emblazoned with the messa
mircea_popescu: actually no, you're right, gotta follow their getworks
undata: I watched a video earlier of one of the younger Bushes, who's now Texas Land Commissioner
undata: oh, no, the next generation of garbage is coming up
mircea_popescu: it's impractical for the aliens to keep coming to dig holes where to dispose of the us consumer garbage.
undata: as for the second, *shrug*
mircea_popescu: undata: pretty ungrateful to call the guy retarded. << it's an act of love, you just don't know how the world works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: actual - doubtful << if i ever have to create you as a character, i'll have you watching the special olympics and then mutter to yourself "i wonder why they're trying to act handicaps"
asciilifeform blithers
asciilifeform: nah it's more a case of 'i'm a titled noble with certificate of anal virginity from the crown and nobody should criticize me'
mircea_popescu: direct application of "i have tried and therefore nobody should criticize me"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i just love how the krugman shitgnomes prattle on about the need for physical 'use-value' in currencies and then go on to bid on apple-1 pcbs and jackson pollack paintings << they are stupid and how dare you demand they be consistent!
asciilifeform gloats, blames the mice
asciilifeform: ^ anal orifice in the humble 'strings' unix tool.
asciilifeform discovers that there - apparently - are. and that he needs to feed its piggy even.
asciilifeform blows dust off mechanism to see if there are actually other people reading his site these days
mircea_popescu: which is why they're so attracted to software (it never fails)
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform is not equipped with the evidence needed to agree (or not) with 'it's mostly ok' << the problem with the mostly ok thing is that intelligent people tend to build but loathe to maintain.
mircea_popescu: " regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we dont do something very foolish"
mircea_popescu: anyway, you perhaps remember the history of how that plays out. after all, the tsar tried it.
asciilifeform: the sad thing is, i'm still fairly certain that yudkowsky didn't want to be a stooge.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that's about three days before the random shootings of anyone known to be associated with usg start.
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 16:45:02; asciilifeform: musk, mr y, some nameless folks from usg, will get together very soon and - if you're known to own a sufficiently large cluster of whateverthefuck - you gotta register...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: >Increasingly scientists think there should be some regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we dont do something very foolish. <<< like you know, turn everything on its head, making current arrangements obsolete
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: LOL. yes yes. voice acting subpar, but the last line in the clip is a communist patriot toasting: "To capitalism"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: terrible hackjob, loll
cazalla: any issue with akismet? nike really want to advertise their jordans on qntra
asciilifeform will laugh twice is this turns out to have been the tordiddler payload
undata: "the ransomware operator provides customer service and assistance." << that's rich.
asciilifeform: some pretty heavy 'the sapper errs once' action.
BingoBoingo: Working through logs, but belt fed mod may have also been something I mentioned in the past.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the shot chess.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the belt-fed mod?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: could've sworn BingoBoingo discussed this. << Not sure if I've discussed the shotglass as pieces variant in chan, but am familiar with it.
asciilifeform: there might actually be an english sub floating around
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: http://movieworld.ws/the-shield-and-the-sword-shchit-i-mech-shhit-i-mech-1968-2-x-dvd9
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but given things like obfuscated c competition << you were probably thinking of the 'underhanded c' competition.
ben_vulpes: aight well fiat corp requires oiling before shuddering into motion in the morn. i'll continue this with anyone interested at a later point.
ben_vulpes: q: what is the output of a "merge" in this scenario?
mircea_popescu: what, you though it's about the social media ?
mircea_popescu: what is the internet, but a vast training program.
thestringpuller: unless there is a lever pulling training program
thestringpuller: it seems asciilifeform is the only one qualified to be a release manager
mircea_popescu: this may require particular grips, depending on how the lever happen to be constructed. the hands will adjust.
mircea_popescu: no, the political goal is to allow people who are interested in doing things the right way at the levers where things are done the right way.
ben_vulpes: or political in the sense of 'forum'
ben_vulpes: is the goal (eg political) to find some poor usian schmuck to take on hearn et al and risk full audit of all things, stopping and frisking by every passing police officer?
ben_vulpes: choice for the technical role perhaps would be a better phrasing
ben_vulpes: trust the l2?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes technical choice ? these are all political choices.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: but how theoretically would i know what to merge?
asciilifeform: anyway handling merges as such - the physicalities of it - is not hard.
ben_vulpes: i've been staring at it and it's not unintelligble -- horrible, but not unintelligible -- but given things like obfuscated c competition i don't think i'm actually a good technical choice for the role
mircea_popescu: which is the usg diddle-ops arm.
mircea_popescu: and the people trying to hire you to review their code would crowd the shit out of the only buyer currently,
mircea_popescu: moreover, by putting the sexy back into reading code, it actually directly addresses the problem. currently people only read shit AFTER a bug was found.
mircea_popescu: my model will allow a specific list to be created. this was read in fact by 5468 people. these ones :
mircea_popescu: the entire "foss is better because read by millions of eyes" fetish needs to be put to rest already. opportunity does not equal actualisation.
asciilifeform has an inescapably 'rectothermal' image of 'pencildick' in his mind
mircea_popescu: between these two, the budged for recruiting pencildicks goes from constant to hilbert's hotel.
mircea_popescu: and i want the record of accidental "dropped on my toe" events recorder permanently.
mircea_popescu: i would like the difference between "dropped plate on my toe" and "fell on naked woman holding her heels while naked" to be obvious to the naked eye
asciilifeform: (and, for the record, when i suggested to ben_vulpes that he did not need to live fire, it was because it was a removal of ifdefs that were switched off, which, if done correctly, would yield a bitwise-identical binary.)
kakobrekla: given the up and down side.
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the only thing. "we print money, and you can pretend you just fell on her while your pants were off"
asciilifeform: so we have serious business here, and all the belts and suspenders - actually matter.
asciilifeform: the enemy's entire modus operandi is to always have 'honest mistake' alibi
asciilifeform: which you cant really tell if it was a good << hence the original discussion of why 'the sapper errs once'
mircea_popescu: in short : it makes the cost of nsa covert ops in foss go from O(log(t)) all the way up to P,N
mircea_popescu: the difference is huge, because when a bug like the numerous bugs in openssl/bash/etc pops up in the open
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the current X Y only so-called open source thing going on atm.
mircea_popescu: the thing i asked for is to sign on READ lines.
ben_vulpes: there's known state a
ben_vulpes: jurov's turdvendor's the canonical repository
mircea_popescu: testing is the one thing bitcoin needs more of
mircea_popescu: he did need to do the life-fire test.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: considering [blabla] you probably did not need to do the live-fire test. << stom motherfucking corrupting the youth!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks. <<< yay wd.
asciilifeform: anyway, as far as i understand, the whole point of having actual arses in the driver's chair (ben_vulpes? mod6?) here is to merge patches and maintain the 'True chain'
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ? << the idea is to stop these persnickety machienes from validating the blockchain at all.
punkman: also interesting is the address for 0x00, you can sent money to it but you can't spend it https://blockchain.info/address/1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh