ben_vulpes: it's late and i'm banging my head against the opaque mess that is the amazon key-value store.
asciilifeform: rather than simply assuming that i don't smoke crack
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes who ever said the best cooks aren't men!
ben_vulpes: hey it's a little warty but here's what's cookin: http://therealbitcoin.org/
undata: the python thing being implicit vs explicit
undata: mircea_popescu: I've said before in regards to software architecture that inherent is better than explicit (in response to the python thing). Yours is much better said.
decimation: good point. I guess the radical approach would be to murder all humans
mircea_popescu: the fix degenerates (water can say break the dam and flood you, which is worse an outcome). the radical approach can't degenerate, because it has not where to.
mircea_popescu: so, if a river bothers you, building a dam is a fix. making water a physical impossibility is a (very) radical approach.
mircea_popescu: what i mean here : anything which is ulterior ontologically to the problem is a fix. anything that is anterior ontologically to the problem and is incompatible with the problem's existence is a radical aproach.
mircea_popescu: they can't.
bounce: they're the tool of big corporates and patent trolls, exactly the opposite of protecting the small craftsman
mircea_popescu: exactly the same thing.
mircea_popescu: this is to me an interesting thing, because it's an exact reprise of the craftsman vs entrepreneur arguments that raged in the early modern period, resulting in the ip laws in the first place.
decimation: I was reading the fincen letter to bitpay
mircea_popescu is nonplussed with the retards squirming around the edges of bitcoin failing to point out that "hey sec, mp's cock isn't going to suck itself, get busy"
decimation: these usg regulatory letters are hilarious
ben_vulpes: (theoretically, ofc).
ben_vulpes suspects checkpoints are the dumb thing here
mircea_popescu: i don't see a problem with their going away.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm more inclined to hack the checkpoints out.
ben_vulpes: (also i'm assuming that you're not trolling me and saying "yes they'll mine in the sense of hashing loltworotlzlzlzl")
mircea_popescu: you'll have to hack the checkpoints in
asciilifeform: esp. in the middle of a connection.
asciilifeform: 'must give the option of shooting self in head'
asciilifeform: bounce: recall the 'null ciphers' in ssl et al
thestringpuller: these people exist?
ben_vulpes: if i spin up two bitcoinds and use cli arg '-connect' to point them at each other, can they mine?
thestringpuller: dude these comments are just
mircea_popescu: he probably doesn't think windows is a feature that should be removed either.
asciilifeform: hn << notice how the circus has all of the obligatory clowns, acrobats. including the inescapable shitgnomes pushing 'keybase' etc.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 seems about par for the hnourse.
decimation: that which can be synthesized without reference to sensory experience
mats_cd03: top comment conflates gpg with pgp, ten odd comments in a useless discussion about key exchange and comms over the same channel, five comments by a bunch of fucking dummies talking about key signing parties, and a few pumping keybase
thestringpuller: if there were text book example for "The Case of Too Much Money" this would be in that chapter.
decimation: they are very important people you see
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: and so they keep pouring money in. << 55 employees and purchased for 19 billion?
mircea_popescu: and so they keep pouring money in.
mircea_popescu: i mean watsapp lost money ? heh. all these derps only survive exactly on the myspace ticket : old people like ted turner have nfi what's what online,
mircea_popescu: i would be very surprised if the "top 10" blogs actually get any reads at all.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how anyone even uses any of the sites in the gawker empire of crap. and incidentally tech crunch or mashable are exacly the same shit : exactly 0 comments, no content, just a bunch of pointless, flashy page elements.
asciilifeform: in usa (?) they recently put out a film purporting to be a riff on his epic 'futurological congress'
assbot: BOOK REVIEW: The Star Diaries by Stanislaw Lem (1971) | Republibot
asciilifeform: decimation: It soon became clear that nobody there was actually against << http://www.republibot.com/content/book-review-%E2%80%9C-star-diaries%E2%80%9D-stanislaw-lem-1971 >> grep 'eleventh voyage.'
TheNewDeal: thestringpuller : oh isn't that speeshal
assbot: I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex
decimation: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ << "Recently, there was a thread on Reddit asking – Redditors Against Gay Marriage, What Is Your Best Supporting Argument? A Reddit user who didn’t understand how anybody could be against gay marriage honestly wanted to know how other people who were against it justified their position. ... It soon became clear that nobody there was actually against
mircea_popescu: kinda the job of internet nobodies, innit ? "i saw x thing on google trends now i'm going to write about it in a vain but strongly held hope that mayhap the association may benefit me"
undata: the two people have nothing of note in common
undata: mircea_popescu: the writer is trying to cast himself as part of some team which Thiel brings some kind of social progress honor to
mircea_popescu: i mention it all the time!
undata: apparently trying to make the same idiotic point
mircea_popescu: undata wait, you disagree from experience about the gay fitting, or you're shocked and surprised that thiel may actually take your peculiar payment ?
undata: shit, I was scrolled up. That was from the Thiel article
undata: "Like the immigrant Jews who created Hollywood a century ago, a gay investor has no way to fit into the old establishment." << pffffffff
mircea_popescu: because all romanians knew of slaves was through the arabic slaves of the medieval turks.
mircea_popescu: (it's негр, for the record)
BingoBoingo: I mean Gawker particularly calls people out on harassment yet they wrote: http://gawker.com/335894/peter-thiel-is-totally-gay-people
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just amazed that in the battle ov Redditors vs. Shitty Journos, both sides are losing so profoundly
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Gawker toxic to advertizers: http://adland.tv/adnews/gawker-toxic-brands-who-partner-them/1291467968 << this is quite true, and not just of them.
assbot: Gawker is toxic to brands who partner with them | adland.tv
BingoBoingo: Gawker toxic to advertizers: http://adland.tv/adnews/gawker-toxic-brands-who-partner-them/1291467968
TheNewDeal: land of the free - is that sub-saharan africa?
BingoBoingo: I still only have that one front door visit from the feds
mircea_popescu: no, but in an amusing development every noob in the space has started pretending they got one too.
sxejno: so mircea, arsenic aside, but still on the topic of toxins, have you heard any more from the US SEC or whatever other agencies?
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, i live in the world's capital for arsenic poisoning
gribble: PharmAthene | Bioscavenger: <http://www.pharmathene.com/product-portfolio/bioscavenger>; The Center For Catalytic Bioscavenger Medical Defense Research: <http://usamricd.apgea.army.mil/apps/ICDU54/>; Army Seeks Development of Bioscavenger Prophylactics for ...: <http://globalbiodefense.com/2012/04/09/army-seeks-development-of-bioscavenger-prophylactics-for-chemical-nerve- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: jurov nah, some hemoglobin clears through kidneys, but most goes to the colon
mircea_popescu: (shit cleans arsenic out of water throuigh roughly the same chemistry arsenic poisons live humans)
decimation: actually 'clean water' in india is quite dangerous, owing to the deposits of arsenic in the water
nubbins`: etc etc, "Other information that you feel is relevant"
mircea_popescu: so i'm watching "nudist colon y of the dead". there should be an award for this level of forced humor
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what, the officious class action ?
nubbins`: the OFFICIAL class action lawsuit
assbot: CAVIRTEX Class Action Lawsuit | The official class action lawsuit against CAVIRTEX
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao these dorks
mircea_popescu: it'd go a lot further if it read "three out of four black adults ate on average a pound of shit in 2013"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i have nfi why the libtards keep going with the "x many people nobody gives a shit about have no access to clean water"
asciilifeform: crackwhoring, codewhoring, every other depravity - sure.
asciilifeform draws the line at coprophagia
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well Whatsapp is a premium value loser for USG because of the large non-USian user population. Maybe ISIS has an account there.
asciilifeform: i will not be massaging code to fit in this mess either
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform can't picture these folks 'capitulating to reality' even after they're hogtied in the drowning barges. <<< this because they understand how "the world" works.
jurov: just wrap the text before signing?
mircea_popescu: of the losses lol
decimation: of the gains or losses?
jurov: subscriptions now work.. and the above problems are prolly better to sleep on
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/mit-bitcoin-project-goes-live/ less than a week to claim the coins, i wonder if what remains will be pocketed by someone
jurov: better set up the line wrap
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000001.html well..not exactly expected outcome
decimation: oh, I can totally see them capitulate if it means they get a nanoslice of power in exchange
asciilifeform can't picture these folks 'capitulating to reality' even after they're hogtied in the drowning barges.
jurov: btw.. what if someone takes your chicken.asc and uses it to spam the list?
BingoBoingo searches for conspiracies positing Matheny responsible for killing Taveras
BingoBoingo: Reason #8 to follow sports, Provides context for evaluating other pursuits one follows for the sport of it.
mircea_popescu: what if they replaced orlov with yarvin
decimation: it's obvious he will be used as a figurehead that will represent yet another cause that deserves a usg teat
mircea_popescu: let him get in the wot.
mircea_popescu doesn't really care one way or another.
asciilifeform: the way osama did.
decimation: like, the constitution wasn't powerful enough to constrain bureaucrats, so maybe a constitutional remedy will fix it?
mircea_popescu: people get these fixed ideas.
asciilifeform: for some reason - they often oblige
asciilifeform: the future of asking people nicely to shoot themselves in the head, however, is bright!
mircea_popescu: the current problem of teh nsa is that future roi on baby exploits is dubious at best.
asciilifeform: 'The site has headlines such as "Why The Future Of Anonymous Browsing Lies In Hardware," ' << lol! even after 'kickstarter' threw out the turd?
asciilifeform: operator's hands suggestively obscure the functional unit.
mircea_popescu: note that the surprised face is midway :D
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the internet, a) http://41.media.tumblr.com/d4a5ffd152980a413abf7f1d0f0abdd8/tumblr_n7n6vtIcBA1r59r91o2_500.jpg b) http://36.media.tumblr.com/dbd4d9a1b348445e33f187f8f22741e8/tumblr_n7n6vtIcBA1r59r91o1_500.jpg c) http://41.media.tumblr.com/3c946b3d4bb98b0e1b4427b178f706ca/tumblr_n7n6vtIcBA1r59r91o4_500.jpg
decimation: asciilifeform: reminds me of the first Stierlitz episode where he receives the enciphered message on shortwave
BingoBoingo: decimation: Nao Internet bans the war!!!
bounce: oh sod off. what's with the spamming of that stupid picture?
nubbins`: subunit-of-the-month
asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
jurov: srs, i now wonder what the dude that made the patch and supposedly maintains it, what he uses it for?
jurov: just i thought i don't need to scan all the (nested!) mime parts
bounce: properly decode the mime encoding crapola? quoted-printable and all that.
mircea_popescu: so then, emails can only be sent to list as base64'd signed matter.
mircea_popescu: then decode check etc ?
bounce: 7bit ascii, line lengths within 80 cols or so. otherwise you end up with encodings and wraps and whatnots.
asciilifeform: possibly these will have to travel armoured and rsa'd to turdatron's pubkey
mircea_popescu: ... and thisis how jurov ended up rewriting the lighbulb.
mircea_popescu: bounce i guess i best get my carwhip fixed then.
bounce: we more or less are, yes. except that those paper-driven things actually did stuff with the control codes and could produce accents in just 7 bits
bounce: well, no, there wasn't. forget the cr and the thing'd just sit there and beep. forget the lf and you'd eventually cut the paper.
asciilifeform: there was no line break retardation going in!
jurov: in kmail there's option "wordwrap at column:", guess it can be set in most editors
nubbins`: ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR
nubbins`: CLRF IS THE STANDARD NEWLINE
asciilifeform: jurov: let me try again with another gizmo
jurov: aab1f8ea8c7f131ff69dfa3b9437ba35531018be760132dd6373f41a591f6382 bitcoin-bitcoin-v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz << asciilifeform this line got split in the email
nubbins`: also if anyone is curious, the following links may be of some use as a quick and dirty deed verification system:
jurov: indeed the signature does not verify
BingoBoingo: bounce: Whatever it is if it doesn't stop by the 6th I might have to find it.
bounce: in that case, might be, oh, "gigabit" powerline things. the faster they go, the higher up in the spectrum their noise goes
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev (^^) but turdatron not added yet!
bounce: so? think wifi for streaming or even video repeaters using the same ISM band
BingoBoingo: Noise somewhere around is fucking up the reception.
bounce: because watching sports is your neighbourhood's preferred way to waste time and it obviously needs wireless to (re)transmit the signals
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Watching the game on broadcast TV.
mircea_popescu: Greetings. Sir or Madam. I am Mrs Aminatu Mariam, from South Sudan. I want to invest in your country Azibaijan and settle down there with my
nubbins`: punkman i grabbed the file via curl instead of copypasta, all checks out
bounce: such a person would get a bunch of negrates and drop below the threshold for giving ratings.
mircea_popescu: not the best way to behave as a new guy.
xiando: but if it is a freshly created wot account then I am probably way wrong
xiando: then I could negrate mircea_popescu and hope he gets upset and negrates me?
xiando: I am just guessing here, but if I rate mircea_popescu 10 bought what SEC doesn't like from him ten times and SEC sends out nastly letters like they did the last few days
Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: exactly. Joining WoT would bring the skeletons out. Best for him to try to discredit it from afar
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard why the fuck would he do that lol.
BingoBoingo: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: you would not neg andreas, if he negged you for trolling ? << Andreas has other sins
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/2BNFP71.txt < the line in the middle is not page title, if thats what you meant
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> that said, focusing on those on the fence about registering may be a better approach than chastising those who are very reluctant (as they would get a negative rating right off the bat) << i doubt anyone'd care enough to neg them, unless they did stupid shit
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 487.45 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
Pierre_Rochard: that said, focusing on those on the fence about registering may be a better approach than chastising those who are very reluctant (as they would get a negative rating right off the bat)
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user ktorp: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=ktorp | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ktorp | Rated since: Tue Nov 13 20:06:45 2012
cazalla: Pierre_Rochard, they won't ever register and yet someone like kyle torpey is now preaching bitcoin + pgp but isn't even in the wot to begin with
Pierre_Rochard: preaching to the choir cazalla, I’d just like to see the damage to their nick if they ever registered in wot
mircea_popescu: so does the internets work or doesn't it ?! i'm confused.
kakobrekla: >We're sorry for the confusion, it does appear that this was an inbound attack and we've removed the block on your server. I've also given you a $10 credit as an apology for the inconvenience.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Text source or details? Kind of assumed golden toilet crypto equiptment goes to space for both sides so the USians and Ruskies can plot on the subject of stabbing the other faction first in case relations become sour...
mircea_popescu: just as i pasted the live feed link, they said "need to secure area cause there was crypto gear on board."
mircea_popescu: rounded to the closest cent.
petahash: its based on the exchange rate
elementofone: JUST GIVE ME A LINK AND I WILL READ IT THEN BAN ME OK =)
elementofone: is there a dollar to bitcoin ratio on bitcoin?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well pieces prolly cover a good area around the pad. Made it up a bit before going boom.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck am I able to get through to it no problem ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, lied mislead... strong signatures could have made all of the difference.
mircea_popescu: you know they lied, you read it here what, a week ago ?
asciilifeform: not a dns diddle either
mircea_popescu: Load Averages: 0.55 0.41 0.65 << the server is neither under heavy load nor actually split from teh interwebs.
BingoBoingo: bounce: Reading comments on different articles about the change everyone with a linux background seems conviced OpenBSD is shooting itself, when really there's different ways to make machines do things.
BingoBoingo: Looking into actual uses of them in ports it seems HP bios reflash utility was one of few examples.
BingoBoingo: bounce> openbsd apparently dropping loadable kernel module support, so far without announcement. huh. << Not many actual uses of them in the first place.
asciilifeform: crypto gear << yes, they use block cipher. (at least, this was officially proclaimed at one point. used to be DES, even. not sure about today)
TheNewDeal: probably just canada with their cups and strings internet
TheNewDeal: I'm not getting trilema either
mircea_popescu: jurov Oct 21 16:41:51 <mircea_popescu>kakobrekla : i see your lulz and raise you my lulz. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/qntra-bw.png << it's there.
asciilifeform sat in traffic jam, waited for rocket, didn't see it - then read #b-a and found live camfeed of it burning
BingoBoingo: As matter of record I would like to advance as evidence Google News sucks the point the WKMG in Orlando was the only hit for the term "Nasa Explosion" within the past 12 hours.
BingoBoingo: I call dibs on the USG Bezzel Rocket explodes qntra piece!
ben_vulpes: the throttling!
TheNewDeal: could have been the first bitcoin node in space?
kakobrekla: just as i pasted the live feed link, they said "need to secure area cause there was crypto gear on board."
mircea_popescu: seems decimation flew a drone there anwyay!
mircea_popescu: i think there's some diddling involved
TheNewDeal: can neither confirm not deny?
cazalla: TheNewDeal, something is protruding from that area
mircea_popescu: too much sjw-ing, too little abject prostration in thanks they've somehow not been killed yet, for no apparent reason.
mircea_popescu: or maybe the asswipes get to learn that they're being done a favour by being allowed to advertise, not the other fucking way around.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, it could be anyone. after all, woman's not in the wot.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/#comment-109313 << check that shit out. <<< how do you know it's not his wife but him.. "not a bad guy"
mircea_popescu: both answered, buncha stuff, seem reasonable enough guys. i sent them a link to webirc
TheNewDeal: And for the record : this was a joke directed at mikayla, and two lines later I stated I was only kidding "19:29:01TheNewDeal:Usagi will open one for you, just send him a,pm"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Other than Sealand and the Hutt River Principality... I don't know of any that really come close.
mircea_popescu: heh, i missed the important line ;/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alchemy. whose fault is it that the entire field consisted of it. afaik. (any successful micro-sovereigns in 20th c? of the ab initio variety)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mkay, so i got as far as page 67. i fail to see why any of this drivel is either important or useful, and especially the conflation of "country" and "territory" seems idiotic.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/e05942fb8be37747399f8b05b0e0398e/tumblr_n9x5cgrCxJ1th1e66o1_250.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu reads books linearly, lol. choked on the alchemy, missed the chemistry. (2nd half of item.)
BingoBoingo: Found on reddit, so harder to tell if authentic. Fucking Amateurs!
asciilifeform: iirc, chocolate plays important role in the lives of zoophiliacs...
chetty: what passes for science these days connects dots that don't even exist, but I got to admit sometimes the answers they come up with are fun
chetty: yeah but now you guys have another excuse
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: results - and from this comes strength; the fight now turns, from a draining, futile floundering - to a merry, wrathful clobbering of a dying vermin, who with us - men - has nothing whatsoever in common. But it all begins - with nonparticipation.' (Беркем аль Атоми, articles. translation mine.)
asciilifeform: this is the kind of thing that will die because it must, and because we have blasters.
punkman: " As with binary signatures on text documents, a cleartext signature is calculated on the text using canonical <CR><LF> line endings." << wtf does this mean
mircea_popescu: it stays with gpg in about the same reason bitcoin stands with the derpitude coming out of the scamdation.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's the "standard" tho.
asciilifeform: who the fuck wrote this << lost souls
punkman: so there's a lot of ways to make dupe deeds
punkman: "Also, any trailing whitespace -- spaces (0x20) and tabs (0x09) -- at the end of any line is removed when the cleartext signature is generated."
nubbins`: who the fuck wrote this
punkman: "The signature is calculated over the text data with its line endings converted to <CR><LF>."