ttnews_: I'm a newb made a big mistake and longed at 348. I read a website claiming it could go to 320 or as low as 280. I don't wanna panic but then again i get the feeling like i should cut my losses then short it since the stock market did crappy
undata: ben_vulpes: you may enjoy the game Machinarium
ben_vulpes: they'll be right back.
ben_vulpes: for some reason i think asciilifeform would like the above linked video too
assbot: The Elephant's Garden - YouTube
mircea_popescu: this is the time when mediocre artists get to become stars, simply for moving faster than the average "talented" idiot.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ah in that sense. what i mean is, there's plenty of talent out there. whether the talent is in the wot or not about 1000x as much as a factor as how good stuff they got in their portofolio
mircea_popescu: not that distant. they just mispronounce some things.
jborkl_: so just the local dialect
jborkl_: excellent, picking up the language pretty easy?
jborkl_: getting into google news is the last part, but I have done everything needed so it should be smooth
jborkl_: I even got it down to one w3tc error. I have to leave one just for the hell of it
jborkl_: I am finally done with the website. I have fixed all my known errors, except the grammer :/ Those will never be fixed
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes cant reproduce, do you know whats the problem or fix ?
assbot: Fever The Ghost - SOURCE (official music video) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: this is one of the least understood parts, how all this will work.
undata: mircea_popescu: one could imagine further that a system of contracts among those operating the most important parts of the economy might prevent them from dealing with the "marked"
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2014 23:29:04; mircea_popescu: you know the story about how they kidnapped that chick, sent a ransom note,
undata: the guy is marked for life
undata: there's a backlash and he receives negative ratings from many
undata: mircea_popescu: in the future, should BTC engulf the old thing, I could see that being a requirement
cazalla: i would guess most rapists would prefer the woman dressed to begin with anyway
mircea_popescu: you and i might not give a shit, but all these fiat dorks have no choice and no option.
undata: mircea_popescu: I'm interested in your thoughts on the reputation destruction / exile angle.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: and the fact that a woman is naked does not give you license to rape her. <<< sounds like teach men not to rape, don't tell women what to wear, andreas would be proud
mircea_popescu: because i like circumlocution, it's instructive to the audience.
undata: nubbins`: hm, what if all the old code is replaced?
mircea_popescu: im saying, it's extremely unlikely any of the dead trees publishers will come compete with you, because their legal dept won't let them.
nubbins`: undata, sure, but the old code is still covered by its original license
nubbins`: you're saying replace the existing license with a new one, and then sue people who violate the new license? o.O
jurov: asciilifeform: mailman will display gpg clearsigned attachment inline if you rename it to .txt (and i don't ned to diddle code then)
mircea_popescu: and there's a foundation now, too.
mircea_popescu: maybe the public splaying of assholes like addison wesley is worth a dime off my pocet.
bounce: if you have the money and time to keep on litigating
mircea_popescu: when it's done you make another claim. on it goes.
mircea_popescu: bounce you make a claim, they make a claim. it goes to trial. sometime.
mircea_popescu: all the actual merits discussion aside, experience shows that a judge will protect literally anything, just gotta find the right judge.
bounce: he's not available to contest it and then you get into who has standing? (favourite usg tactic too. yes yes that's highly illegal, but nobody with standing to contest it.)
mircea_popescu: it was right there ?
mircea_popescu: "satoshi's name" ? what, and we've been looking for a name all these years because nobody read the code ?
undata: "his property was just sitting there, unguarded by razor wire!"
nubbins`: bounce iirc the original versions had satoshi's name
bounce: those copyright notices, though. do they have written consent from satoshi?
mircea_popescu: even should you imagine the place she's naked at is public.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that a woman is naked does not give you license to rape her.
bounce: what? it's public, apparenly publicised with the consent of the authors. no judge is going to protect these logs, no matter how much you spend on lawyers.
nubbins`: i'm just the printer ;D
mircea_popescu: or in other words, no, bitcoin isn't "open for everyone". bitcoin is open for everyone IN BITCOIN,
nubbins`: well, tell alf to cut COPYING from the book, i guess
mircea_popescu: sword cuts both ways. law abiding types will be fighing injunctions for twenty years before they can as much as print a fucking page off this log.
mircea_popescu: who are these "bitcoin developers" ?
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> what, it's on the interwebs, anyone can come publish it and sell the book ? <<< "Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software..."
mircea_popescu: not like aw is going to move out of the us just so they can derp with bitcoin manual.
mircea_popescu: here's a thought : the sword cuts both ways. the same asinine legal idiocy that can be used to hinder bitcoin exchanges can be used by sovereign bitcoin companies to fuck everyone non-immune in the ass.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how would they get a license ?
nubbins`: i don't anticipate a huge demand right off the bat, so it'll be best to handle it myself
BingoBoingo: nubbins` is going to have to get a web press before the end of time
mircea_popescu: dioceseofsthelena.com/?mke=Sale-Michael-Kors-Handbags.html << apparently helena is still a total posh slut.
nubbins`: no, i mean the people who bought it unseen didn't complain that it sucked
thickasthieves: maybe they just didnt buy
nubbins`: <TomServo> any interest? << I'm interested. Will it be another sight unseen deal? <<< probably same as last time, sight-unseen for preorder discount
mircea_popescu: maybe they should ask him anything.
mircea_popescu: two modes of the flux processor. pain and excitement.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=marv | "IT'S MARV" T_T phone call: marv : lets hang out other: eww why? marv: because marv gets lonely and has to do his job other: no marv : what the... bitch. by catttt ...
nubbins`: all i gotta do is ask the occasional probing question and generally fuck with the S/N ratio
thickasthieves: fuel up the tank boys, we gon save some munny ta-day!
ben_vulpes: that's so entirely not the point
thickasthieves: “I’ve been involved in about five standoff situations where, as soon as the MARV showed up, the person gives up,” Bean told the Journal Sentinel.
Apocalyptic: the first 100k blocks go like a brease yeah
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you're syncing the turd ?
xanthyos: Megacosm: join the wot, sell honey to these people for btc, no storefront, no overhead, no income tax
assbot: Wisconsin police send armoured vehicle to collect fine from 75-year-old | US news | theguardian.com
BingoBoingo: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/28/wisconsin-police-bring-bearcat-armored-vehicle-property-fine?CMP=fb_gu
assbot: What is the common thread connecting bitcoin WoT fixation, MRAs, PUAs and trolling? It’s quite peculiar how those cluster.
BingoBoingo: I kind of liked the pedestrian/industrial combo word
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i could've sworn i had a textbook with those insects on the cover. (algorithms??)
mircea_popescu: good catch there.
mircea_popescu: so what if the yare ?!
joecool: oh yes, they are
mircea_popescu: http://www.tripadvisor.it/Restaurant_Review-g194794-d1547813-Reviews-Ristorante_L_Etoile-Lido_Di_Camaiore_Camaiore_Province_of_Lucca_Tuscany.html << meanwhile the actual place.
mircea_popescu: http://gbcinternetenforcement.net/12-cv-9864b "oakley vs 100 does". now how the fuck did they get an .it domain ?
mircea_popescu: apparently it's dangerous to actually run an open spamserver on your domain name. i wonder how they did it tho.
asciilifeform: 'but greater scams have greater scams, for their chumps to go on; and greater scams - yet greater scams, and greater ones, and so on...
asciilifeform: 'little scams have lesser scams, at their heels to scam them; and lesser scams, have lesser scams; and lesser spams...
kakobrekla: is there no last flea?
mircea_popescu: can i do the somebody doing something while doing the somebody else doing the something else ?
asciilifeform: if the idea is 'shit we won't ever do' list - all the paper in the world would not suffice
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, no, "how to negotiate". pretty sure he's a clueless twit rather than the actual spammer
mircea_popescu: jurov it's either a dangerous idea or some dangerous ideas you know.
assbot: The Coinbase Blog — Introducing Multisig Vault - You Can Now Control Your Own Private Keys On Coinbase
assbot: The Storm That Was Fel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: joecool no. here's a guy trying tho : http://trilema.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90300
mircea_popescu: well that's because people build from the ground up with security in mind so never get owned.
joecool: wordpress can be secured fairly well, not too many do it though (involves ripping out wp-admin from frontend and a mess of other things)
mircea_popescu: diametric i don't think anyone tries to clean servers. reinstall is the only pill.
joecool: even the creator of timthumb doesn't suggest it anymore
joecool: a lot a of theme designers used it
diametric: joecool: quite possibly, the data i had was real world scenarios, so actual real world wordpress installations.
joecool: diametric: DNN would win most compromised in my experience, wordpress usually got compromised through crappy plugins (of which there are MANY to choose from)
assbot: Tomorrow Is Another Day
mircea_popescu: here's a bonus for jurov http://www.tomorrowisanotherday.de/overview/boys/#/
asciilifeform: statistically - christmas never comes for the goose.
diametric: at a previous job i had a decades worth of data involving compromised websites, and wordpress by far lead the pack in vulnerable and shitty cms
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the thing with bitcoin << well, halfway there. stokes appetite, yes. but can't satisfy hunger by rubbing stomach.
mircea_popescu: it's all been a "let the wife handle it" sort of whatever, while graham went on with "his real work" up until now.
mircea_popescu: from money and what poor idiots may get all the way to concordance mechanisms.
mircea_popescu: this is the thing with bitcoin. never before have been smart people motivated to consider a wide swath of issues
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.w3.org/Tools/Prog_lang_filters.html << classic decay of civilization. 9 of 10 links - dead. and most of the systems are for producing 'auto documentation' - that is, made for satisfying retarded management, rather than to actually aid in study of code.
mircea_popescu: https://www.r3.org.uk/ "R3, The Association of Business Recovery Professionals is the leading organisation for insolvency, restructuring and turnaround specialists in the UK." but meanwhile www.r3.org.uk/styles/list.cfm?id=221 nike blazar
mircea_popescu: http://www.ocmetro.com/ << orange county experts. meanwhile www.ocmetro.com/pp.aspx up their butt.
mircea_popescu: no argument there, just... you know
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: basic principle, you tell it how to tokenize a given language, the rest is concordance mechanism
mircea_popescu: esp given the low weight.
mircea_popescu: and why have a fucking email anywhere on the site ? not like you need to be warned when you got buttraped, because super-speshul and errything.
mircea_popescu: www.usapglobal.org/webalizer/low-concord-11s.html << the spammers thank the usap for all the free hosting/google rank
jurov: yes i did get notification for the first one
ben_vulpes: jurov: the unsigned email did not arrive, so i must presume your filter is doing *something*
mircea_popescu: cuz php is the tool for that job and ppl are too good for php ?
asciilifeform: i always wondered why there isn't just a gizmo that eats a source tree and craps out html where any keyword that appears more than once is hyperlinked
thestringpuller: ^- these are pretty good
rithm: there's actually some new appify thing that takes source code and make pretty .pdfs from it
ben_vulpes: those who wish to write messages to the mailing list must ensure that their messages arrive mutilated.
ben_vulpes: so what's wrong with a needle through which interested parties must pass their messages?
jurov: the body is only comment. patch itself will be always in attachment
ben_vulpes: forgive my mis/poor-understanding of the gpgmail thing, but...
ben_vulpes: how would they know...
ben_vulpes: what is the net column?
punkman: ben_vulpes: did you try the gpg multisig hack?
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://mpex.co/assets/s.wol-468F4AD0.txt what dfo you mean not linked ?
thestringpuller: the signed IPO's are not linked on MPEx.co
ben_vulpes: i'd really like punkbot to take in the raw doc and .sig files. but...whatever.
ben_vulpes: or not validating the same doc...
ben_vulpes: this not being able to sign the same actual document thing is downright irksome.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ...conceptually possible << do clearsigned copies of the contract from both parties per S.WOL suffice?
kakobrekla: i just had the best meat plate i had in years!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the smell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ip or what ?
mircea_popescu: prolly safe to email then followup
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: had an article I wrote last night. BingoBoingo said he'd be in "the office" in the morning. I guess I can just send to their inbox.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller didja need somethin' ?
thestringpuller: damn the editors are asleep
gribble: cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 hours, 31 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <cazalla> http://qntra.net/2014/10/mit-bitcoin-project-goes-live/ less than a week to claim the coins, i wonder if what remains will be pocketed by someone
jurov: upon seeing the result.. well, i quite stepped into something
mircea_popescu: johntraveller in that case you'd better get in the wot asap.
mircea_popescu: maybe they've not got to it yet.
johntraveller: and sit in my $200/mo apartment in china, slowly converting my british fiat into btc and planning business ideas that work once the fed’s printing presses stop spinnng
mircea_popescu: johntraveller http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets << also a good thing to read, as a primer on the technology that is the fundament of our superiority.
punkman: also, now there is http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/json and http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2i/raw
mircea_popescu: k so then it can just proceed with the bundles normally, irrespective of what happened to previous bundle.
mircea_popescu: consider the following situation : bundle 1 gets made, added, gets 1 confirm. bundle 2 gets created, gets added just as the blockchain reogrs.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, better to queue the made txn than this i think
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the people who think whitening does something ?
asciilifeform: 'any periodic noise that makes it through simply reduces the bits/byte number of the entropy and gets smeared out by subsequent whitening' << is he serious? gotta be trolling
mircea_popescu: punkman so what's happened to the bot ? dead ?
mircea_popescu: the whys and wherefores taking a leak on your girl is nice.
undata: "They also take issue with the assertion that fluid mechanics is unfairly neglected because it deals with "feminine" fluids in contrast to "masculine" rigid mechanics." << there are such feminists here in Portland
mircea_popescu: the idea that if you allow i dunno, the gardening club to be stupid the stupidity will sit there contained is beyond naive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i didn't think the irigarists were designing electronics. or... are they
mircea_popescu: lacan, you understand me ? the original "i cnat raed here's some words because words"
mircea_popescu: also famous for being the only idiot ~lacan~ threw out for being an idiot.
mircea_popescu: "because it privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are much more important to us"
mircea_popescu: understand, us college is unlikely to mention that, too busy talking about irigaray and the rest of the worthless fuckwits
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how are they to know ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they can crack open a copy of, e.g, 'horowitz and hill' (1980) - it doesn't bite
asciilifeform: rng << it is so easy to build a proper rng, the astonishing part is that there are not 500 people selling them for fifty cents.
mircea_popescu: diametric the original, gentlemanly internet is a fucking curse to the current internet.
diametric: mircea_popescu: its comically bad. basically they reused the popen feature when using -o with a pipe, when omitting the -o option and instead deriving it from the url..
mircea_popescu: open fucking source. a billion eyes, yo. then next you know, everything is a piece of shit.
asciilifeform: well, newly unearthed
mircea_popescu: diametric different i take it from any of the other 50 or so similar issues over the years ?
mircea_popescu: both strategies work, in practice. either proceed correctly or proceed gradually.
mircea_popescu: borther #2 doesn't think anything of this working for no good money bs, takes a loan, goes on a trading trip, a year later he's back, pays off his loan, has enough leftover to marry.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, something like this : two brothers, same age, both wish to get married. this takes money. brother #1 goes into an apprenticeship, money's not good, but it slowly adds up, one year later he's saved enough.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TomServo: ;;later tell nubbins` any interest? << I'm interested. Will it be another sight unseen deal?
johntraveller: imo moldbug’s most interesting writing is on the history of progressivism, and how it evolved from puritanism
mircea_popescu: and im not even sure what nrx is. this chick that follows these things pointed it out here, but i don't think it's been followed up.
mircea_popescu: i have in fact not followed either for any interval at all. these other guys do, maybe decimation is the local authority on yarvin. asciilifeform used to have a battleship or w/e it was called in his leaky snowglobe.
johntraveller: @micrea_popescu hello. yes, lots of good stuff. good to have my opinions of ethereum/altcoins/etc seconded
mircea_popescu: hello there.
thickasthieves: coinfire.cf went back online via bitcoinvps, now they are ddos'd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did, they answered (both guys), seemed reasonable enough, gave them a link to here.
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: and i vaguely recall that mircea_popescu was thinking of writing to them. no idea what came of that
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:16:56; nubbins`: also if anyone is curious, the following links may be of some use as a quick and dirty deed verification system:
nubbins`: didja see the links i posted yest?
assbot: 15th blown, other statements. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mod6: was just checking these things too see what was done recently. for instance, with s.bbet the IPO was clear signed by one party, and then that clearsigned doc was then clearsigned again by a second party.
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 you mean the Signed links? << yeah
jurov: mod6 you mean the Signed links?
mod6: was mp the only one to sign s.qntr?
thickasthieves: fwiw, i'm sensing a major disturbance in the force, re SEC letters, coinfire DMCA takedowm, COindesk waiving their hands saying 'these are not the sec letters yer lookin for'
assbot: What is the common thread connecting bitcoin WoT fixation, MRAs, PUAs and trolling? It’s quite peculiar how those cluster.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> punkman: would it be terribly onerous to get deedbot to certify that multiple documents signed by different people are in fact the same document and that all of the signatures verify? <<< this is not conceptually possible tho.
undata: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/10/28/bitbeat-bitcoin-2-0-companies-respond-to-sec-rumor-were-clean/ "He added that anyone who purchased newly issued XCP with bitcoin did so through a “proof of burn” method that renders the incoming bitcoin unusable, ensuring that no material benefit passes to Counterparty or its owners." << Regarding the recent conversation with TheNewDeal on BTC burn ->
ben_vulpes: and the parties should all deedify independently.
ben_vulpes: if each party runs gpg --output out.sig --sign --armor thing-to-sign.txt, you can run gpg --decrypt out.sig on the blob
asciilifeform: based on i-can't-be-bothered-quite-now-what
ben_vulpes: implementing the mailing list hack you suggested throws a digest error.
ben_vulpes: mod6 and i have burnt approximately an hour total trying to pretzel gpg into the correct contortions, and it's not working for us.
ben_vulpes: punkman: would it be terribly onerous to get deedbot to certify that multiple documents signed by different people are in fact the same document and that all of the signatures verify?
asciilifeform: this is going to turn into actual work quite soon (when we start snipping tissue that must be replaced, rather than merely cremated)
asciilifeform: let others claim some easy hunting.
asciilifeform: i've been saving the death of macos for last, such that we can determine that its removal does not bork *bsd
decimation: me neither
ben_vulpes: i did the s3 thing
asciilifeform: 'suppose every program can be shortened by a line, and contains a bug. therefore all programs can be reduced to one line - which does not work.' - ???
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these differ from last night's ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: let's mirror 0.5.3 there
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the patches just now published, specifically.