cazalla: mircea_popescu, he has a sponsor in cody wilson by the sounds of it, http://qntra.net/2014/11/cody-wilson-the-bitcoin-community-has-sold-out/
punkman: cazalla: there's a typo missing, Arse News
mircea_popescu: you strike terror in the heart of wankstream media
punkman: kakobrekla: maybe add link to deeds. on other pages
mircea_popescu: that's quintessentially why it's called the hustle. because you fucking hustle. if it were an office job it'd just be, the office job.
mircea_popescu: they have to suck a lot of cock for that foot of sidewalk. it's not like somehow magically it's not a sidewalk anymore between 13:30 and 14:25
mircea_popescu: take a tour through the red light district, sometime. the hookers are out whether there's johns or not.
mircea_popescu: the exact fucking antihussle. i wonder what the fuck dope dealers are doing, because i find it hard to believe argentine junkies all keep a stash.
mircea_popescu: saturday night tho ? ZERO! i don't mean, most of the fat ones with good business didn't bother, leav ing just a few of the sketchier, hungrier fellows. no, i mean exactly zero. as if saturday night is not a time. not part of the world. does not exist.
mircea_popescu: these argentinian dudes are so fucktarded it's hard to put into words. so there's a few streets in the financial district where literally 100s of derps hawk "cambio, cambio!" trying to get some paper benjies for their locally-printed toilet paper. all day long.
punkman: thestringpuller: ^ give it a try
mircea_popescu: also in the news : jeffrey robinson is a fraudulent grant eater that's spent 100's of thousands off the public treasury and has yet to produce anything of value.
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mircea_popescu: given that i have like 2lbs of chocolate right here, which i just bought today, it's a wonder we're not the fattest people online.
mircea_popescu: including the literal.
mircea_popescu: if anyone ever googles this idiot : there are better ways to flush your money down a toilet.
mircea_popescu: get lost. we really don't give a shit either way.
mircea_popescu: what is the schmuck's name anyway ?
ninjashogun: <ninjashogun> I realize that you also are careful about your online footprint so you will appreciate this. I think I didn't realize that it's a publicly-indexed log at the time.
ninjashogun: <ninjashogun> hi - could I ask you to remove my full name from the logs. I have been open about what it is and it appears once or twice in the bitcoin-assets logs. I realize that this ecosystem is very different and that people here don't believe in traditional startups, but I have investors doing due dilligence on me, and it is uncomfortable to come up in google results.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yeah, sure. crack it on the countertop.
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mircea_popescu: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_OVtOM-JqUfA/SdISYu2icDI/AAAAAAAAIPQ/puqOfJnQkfA/s800/ZN_Emu3.jpg << this is emu-lating, for the record.
xiando: you'd be mostly paying not to have anything more to do with them imho, if you just want one for the night then there's plenty at the local bars
xiando: perhaps if you're hosting reddit (even then it seems like a lot)
xiando: $102000/year for hosting, uhm exactly what do they claim to be hosting there.. facebook? google? yahoo?
mircea_popescu: by looking at what scammers claim as part of their scamtext, you can guess what the general sea of idiots imagines is going on.
jurov: there are jsut two tables, patches and sigs
punkman: cooked some ribeyes from the americas, debugged while digesting
punkman: on another note, punkbot is alive again, yay
kakobrekla: the reasoning: only close bets make it to bitbet and humanity is mostly a fail
punkman: I had theories!
mircea_popescu: well what is this "all history shows property X so therefore future will too" ?
punkman: kakobrekla: I ran the backtest on more recent bets, ALLNO was negative
gernika: cazalla I like the background given on investors and founders involved in the startups covered. Don't have a specific example in mind, but I like the digging.
punkman: hmm, missed the block
punkman: the punkbot
mthreat: the house is for sale, I expect to see it on BitPremier soon ;)
mthreat: going to Bariloche tomorrow, and should pass through Villa la Angostura, by Hitler's supposed house there
mircea_popescu: fucking pleasant weather.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying all naming conventions are the same to zooko's triangle.
mircea_popescu: with respect to choice and stability ? yeah they are.
bounce: even so not all games are one and the same
mircea_popescu: gernika on a more serious note, this is a problem familiar from game design. you can either have choice or stability, not both. systems that are to any degree stable only achieve this stability by denying choice correspondingly.
mircea_popescu: now you understand how the world works. unlike putin!
mircea_popescu: o, that's just how the world works!!1
mircea_popescu: then that's anti-rape. rape seems to be this thing where you think you have no options at first, then later you realise that you did so you go and denounce the fucker.
gernika: It's the sort of trust that you think is trust at first, then realize you have no other options later.
gernika: So what is the term or concept for forced trust in third parties?
mircea_popescu: which is why the entire democratic blabla about "social contracts" and whatnot is so laughable.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/PnsGiZ2A <<< dude... this is just what i do. i save the people who save people from FIRE
gernika: I suppose in my mind I conflated being forced to trust certain third parties (my "elected" representative, my bank, the Federal Reserve) and voluntarily trusting random ebay sellers.
mircea_popescu: now, fucking could consist of the girl getting another cock and the guy getting another cunt to sit and watch them while they do it.
mircea_popescu: now, in this comic, trudy cooper makes the excellent point that resources are scarce, whereas trust cheap.
mircea_popescu: gernika let me illustrate the problem of trust and the limits of the universe to you with a risque comic.
gernika: I have seen discussion of that on Trilema, I believe. Doesn't that arrangement depend on a trusted third party? The creditor?
mircea_popescu: that's why international trade happens on the basis of locs and so forth.
mircea_popescu: are you aware that trade as-is is credit-supported so people don't actually need to put up even the actual value of the items ?
gernika: But you don't need to. The seller puts the value of their item in btc in escrow. The buyer puts double the value of the item in btc in escrow.
mircea_popescu: the problem are all the edge cases. did you catch that discussion in the logs, as to what localbitcoins is vulnerable to ?
mircea_popescu: if that's what you mean best call it escrow, because the bitcoin crowd (esp here) is highly technical and the nash reference sends people mentally exploring large swaths of math theory.
gernika: Well, an escrow that doesn't make any decision in the event of a dispute except to say both parties are out their escrow.
gernika: successfully. It would work like this: Alice wants to sell her gold for btc. She puts 1 oz of gold worth of btc in Chad's basket. Bob puts 2 oz. of gold worth of btc in Chad's basket. Alice gives Bob her gold. Bob refuses to give Alice her 1 oz of gold worth of btc. Chad threatens to throw his basket over the cliff. Bob reluctantly give alice 1 oz of gold worth of btc. Chad gives everyone back their stuff from the
gernika: mircea_popescu So in a case where two parties have no information about each other (which is essentially the same as when one party is in the WoT and one isn't, or when one party wants to do a trade they're not rated for), a nash equilibrium allows a way to incentivize both parties to complete the transaction faithfully by forcing both parties to risk the value of the item being traded contingent on the trade being completed
mircea_popescu: that takes it in the ass.
mircea_popescu: i seriously think that comic pretty much illustrates the mental process of the libertard us female. she has a little girl that grows up to be a man
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/delivery/ << bwahhah chetty, were you asking about the mothers ? there's the mother!
assbot: the Weird Woman
mircea_popescu: gernika it seems to me the wot is already generating it's own equilibrium, not clear to me what you mean by "nash equilibrium based exchange"
gernika: mircea_popescu Would a nash equilibrium based exchange in THAT case be of use? Or would it nullify the donation to the wot?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 in fairness, i dun think it's sluttiness, i think its simple use. you should see the chicks here, it rained two days ago, it was like... i dunno, 18 instead of 23 celsisus ? COATS! shivering! everyone destroyed omg it's so cold.
mircea_popescu: because in practical terms, they DO have no ratings, for that level.
mircea_popescu: gernika the situation being exactly equivalent to when they first joined the wot, had no ratings.
mircea_popescu: gernika exaclty, and in wot-terms he makes a trust donation to the wot and to his partner.
gernika: mircea_popescu So in order for someone to get rated for a more valuable interaction than they have ever participated in before, someone else always needs to take a risk, correct?
mats_cd03: things overheard last night: 'we should find some MIT guys, they're, like, going to rule the world. but, really!'
mircea_popescu: which is why people who pretend to trade but aren't in the wot, and ESPECIALLY people who pretend to raise capital/issue equity but have no experience whatsoever are suspect.
mats_cd03: altho there were plenty of freshmen walking around
mircea_popescu: gernika well, one could put the time in to build himself and steal some, but the idea is that he wouldn't really manage to steal more than what not stealing is worth on a discouinted basis for him.
gernika: mircea_popescu Ah ok. Got it. Didn't think about how people would evaluate the WoT differently for different magnitudes of transactions. It actually does help with the long con problem. So one could do 50 1 btw transactions, then steal the last btc, but that's about all. Yes I've read what-the-wot...
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: just to make sure we're on the same page here, have you read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ?
mircea_popescu: basically you're saying "if people weren't using the wot how could their actions not impact the wot'. well... they already don't.
mircea_popescu: gernika the case you're proposing is already out of scope, because the wot is intended to be used with middle transactions. so if alice trades 100 btc a month for two years, trusting alice with 200 in one go is okay. trusting her with 5k is absurd,
gernika: mircea_popescu for example, Alice builds up a good reputation in the WoT. Then in some large transaction Alice absconds with Bob's BTC and fails to deliver the goods. If the same transaction were instead executed in such a way that if either party fails to deliver, both Alice and Bob would lose an amount of btc equal to the value of the item being purchased, would that then prevent Alice from sacrificing her WoT rating to
mircea_popescu: so they offer this service, "drop off your kids for an afternoon and get five double cheeseburger mchappy meals"
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how thw world works. "mom" would like a place to drop off the kid while she does "other things". (no, i don't mean fucking. if only. i mean going around shitty clothes shops in the mall and feeling each individual item buyt not buying anything, then hitting the food court)
jurov: moms project theri desires into daughters?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty: someone explain to me how all those feminists justify putting little girls scanty costumes? << "all men are pedophiles and rapists because the only feminine females left around are under 16 yo because we educate little girls to act like lolis and then after puberty we try and make them into obnoxious whales" ?// ?? we is all men? interesting and does explain much but still doesn't explain the mommy behavior dressing them
mircea_popescu: "I would like to inform anybody involved in this kinda thing, that there's a maximum penalty of $100,000, one-year in jail, or both," Phil Bradford, an FCC spokesman, told a reporter the following day." << also appears on two spots on the interwebs. vice.com and b-a logs. thanks to the power of logic we now know ben_vulpes writes for motherboard.
mircea_popescu: no, took. from to take investment. mebbe needed a comma in there
mircea_popescu: clearly it's because ethereum was like all respectable and took like actual investment, rather than just pretending on both scores.
mircea_popescu: dignork: adlai: me neither, but this part seemed odd, so i googgled it. << such lmao. "hey, two bitcoin scams are the only things google could find online that used the same broken logic dressed in the same approximative verbiage. WHY COULD THS BE ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: stand on them and roaR? << lol!
mircea_popescu: chetty: someone explain to me how all those feminists justify putting little girls scanty costumes? << "all men are pedophiles and rapists because the only feminine females left around are under 16 yo because we educate little girls to act like lolis and then after puberty we try and make them into obnoxious whales" ?
gernika: Regarding http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/, would the use of a Nash Equilibrium that does not rely on third parties mitigate the problem of the long con?
jurov: was going to say bitcoinbourse.eu but they're still up
mircea_popescu: hey, who were the muppets that closed recently, claiming they were spending 9k/month on servers among other thiungs ? qntra reported it
BingoBoingo: ^ Note the update.
ben_vulpes: phil doesn't quite get the notion of a maxmum, i warrant.
ben_vulpes: "I would like to inform anybody involved in this kinda thing, that there's a maximum penalty of $100,000, one-year in jail, or both," Phil Bradford, an FCC spokesman, told a reporter the following day.
dignork: oh, the part of "additional processing power" seemed irrelevant to music foundation
adlai: what about it seems odd, it's perfectly reasonable for the people selling these things to fear for their asses and get old-fashioned legal advice
dignork: adlai: me neither, but this part seemed odd, so i googgled it.
kakobrekla: also note who the receiver is http://bitsharesmusicfoundation.org/assets/images/misc/titan.jpg
adlai: "BitShares Music will be the first blockchain to be used by the masses" just shut up and take my money!
thickasthieves: stand on them and roaR?
thickasthieves: well what do i do with all my ATC once i win them all?
thickasthieves: now wtf to do with all these altoshis
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gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/ no self-respecting woman without make up
Vexual: is there a new crockpot with instructions fund? that was funny
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ben_vulpes: (busted crock aside, the coq au vin is coming along nicely)
ben_vulpes: turdmeisters: what am i to do with tests? bitcoin 0.8+ has them in qa/rpc-tests
mircea_popescu: you gotta replace the pot don';t you ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tell you what. tell the woman she's been served.
ben_vulpes: she was there for credits
ben_vulpes: she comes to pdx to study some kind of "installation art" at the local bezzletron art school
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mircea_popescu: i mean, isn't it just what hookers say to the cops, like the guy caught pissing in public pulls the bladder condition ?
mircea_popescu: dude is a female slam poet anything other than a hooker ?!
ben_vulpes: immediately after hs she ran the kids program at an art museum
mircea_popescu: o wait, the original vulpe's an art student ?! what's she make ?
ben_vulpes: one bespeaks a fundamental failure to understand the mechanisms at play, the other a poor grasp of thermal inertia and the concept of localized heat stresses.
mircea_popescu: maybe you need stan to rewrite the os/proc designs/world
ben_vulpes: or perhaps more accurately, another edge case has been brought to light.
ben_vulpes: and yes they've been taught.
ben_vulpes: the worlds edge cases are numerous.
mircea_popescu: dude no way it';s in the logs.
ben_vulpes: the problem was not actually that a non-rated object went on the burner, but that sweet love put a chicken leg into the hot oil and the local stresses exceeded the crystal's bond strength.
ben_vulpes: and i divested myself of all the like years ago.
ben_vulpes: this is the united states of america.
mircea_popescu: i thought you were actually using high performance chemistry gear in the house. for some reason.
ben_vulpes: crock pots are not rated for either oven or flame usage.
mircea_popescu: well, recipients that resist heat can either be oven rated or flame rated, and generally what's safe to heatr in the oven is not safe to heat on a burner
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: neither does NSA. ;)
ben_vulpes: hold fast there was photographic evidence
mircea_popescu: i was going to send you a pack of biscuits, peanut for the dog, chocolate for the fox. none for you, ofcourse, as men don't need to eat. sadly thestringpuller doesn't seem ready to take orders still.
mircea_popescu: so now only the dog gets to eat anymore ?
mircea_popescu: i dismissed a dumbass real estate agent earlier in the terms of "stupid bitch, i'm not a fucking tourist, i'm here to rape you not to be raped by you clueless worthless lot. get lost and come back when you've got that". she was genuinely surprised.
mircea_popescu: dumbasses here still going on about how it's either "patria" or "financial groups"
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: ah, feeding the responses into a python script sped things up for me
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard: I've never run it with RPC remote on. I just feed it the commands from cmd line.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: I see. Doing things the unix way would be a nice change
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: just used it to generate a bunch of public addresses. Is it insecure if you’re just using it on localhost?
cazalla: mats_cd03, it's on the increase here, retailers want those sales
mircea_popescu: i've never seen cows or sheep trick-or-treat either.
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2014 16:38:20; ThickAsThieves: adlai watch The Black Mirror ep 2
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#880285 << actually wasn't that close to what I was thinking of, but thanks for recommending the series
thestringpuller: it's amazing how trick or treaters are declining cause parents don't let their children eat candy these days
Apocalyptic: <thestringpuller> Apocalyptic: very sad. where will we trade ATC nao? // i guess you're back to OTC trading for some time, seeing how unsuccessful was thickasthieves to get other exchanges to list it
adlai: it's scary to think that my high school classmates are now "grown up" and have real responsibilities in the world
mircea_popescu: im sure they grew up to be some pretty amazing, totally unskilled twats.
adlai: +mircea_popescu | but i tell you, when you can't tell a mvp from a fake vietnamese boot the whole thing's dead in the water. << in high school, each year the MVP of the girl's field hockey team was... all the seniors on the field hockey team, together
adlai: they should pivot to ASIC fab
BingoBoingo: headed off for the weekend, might pop on a few times before returning SUnday/Monday.
ben_vulpes: <mats_cd03> the food i consume has nutrition, and calories, and it sates the appetite. so far, my life expectancy has not changed in any way. << how wouldja know?
mircea_popescu: 'd like a "day" name as a single line between the "home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki" and "prev/next" to be settable with an assbot command
cazalla: chetty: <cazalla> it only went pink once it hit the water, not like it was a stream of red aids coming out//check with wife, this also happens with freshly cleaned toilets sometimes <<< she cleans? this is news to me
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BingoBoingo: Still not as fucked as the original submitter's time frame for resolving it... A month before the season ends.
mircea_popescu: but i tell you, when you can't tell a mvp from a fake vietnamese boot the whole thing's dead in the water.
mircea_popescu: just the fucking inanity of it. i have no idea how those imbeciles think they're managing their franchise
BingoBoingo: Well it will be over soon. I don't think after November there will be many post-World Cup sports bets left.
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mircea_popescu: dude i'm so motherfucking banning bs sport bets...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: These things come out mid-November http://bitbet.us/bet/882/giancarlo-stanton-wins-nl-mvp/
jurov: except for some 27 satoshi.. but Apocalyptic can have a ..er.. glass of water for them
jurov: BingoBoingo: they arrived, i can say x-bt shut down cleanly
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mircea_popescu: for the record, that "stupid human trick" is exactly how selection works.
mircea_popescu: "Or perhaps they did that stupid human trick that never fails: If you have excess funds, procreate until you no longer have excess funds, then share the funds equally until you all die." << naggum clearly "does not understand how the world works", and what everyone's "rights" are and so on.
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 464.54 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo x-bt qntra article pls ? there's precious few clean closures in the space, << Will do.
mircea_popescu: and i very much doubt any of the bezzle-powered "entrepreneurs" will ever manage one.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo x-bt qntra article pls ? there's precious few clean closures in the space,
mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> assuming world peace is the rightful, desirable end state is kind of silly << it's just another way to assume "immutability", because limited intellect aka ars longa, vita brevis.
mircea_popescu: <undata> half the planet irradiated for the glory of the leader << you confuse warring kingdoms with warring democracies.
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mircea_popescu: perhaps because never has it been the case that value and droves met.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> if there were a 'pepsi' alternative to usg, folks who can make any claim at value would be defecting in droves. << there is, they aren't.
Apocalyptic: yeah, that's the main reason, the ATC trading was the only thing that kept me running it lately
BingoBoingo: qntra.net/2014/10/bitreserve-holds-your-bitcoins-as-fiat/ from thestringpuller
asciilifeform: irradiated for the glory of the leader << funny how this happened to exactly no one back when 'small militaries constantly warring' was a thing.
mats_cd03: assuming world peace is the rightful, desirable end state is kind of silly
mats_cd03: this business of wanting is what got us into this mess in the first place
undata: you end up with the best leader and nothing to lead.
undata: sounds like a great way to make militarism the only thing practiced.
undata: that's the stupidist thing I've heard today.
undata: so there should be many small militaries constantly warring?
asciilifeform: ('usg' here should be read as the entire nato blok.)
asciilifeform: if there were a 'pepsi' alternative to usg, folks who can make any claim at value would be defecting in droves.
asciilifeform: see the life of, e.g., leon theremin, to see that this does not always work as planned - but it is still the only thing that works.
asciilifeform: e.g., pre-unification italy, where if you were stuck under a ruler who isn't fond of trigonometry, you could walk to the domain of another who is - and will hold your pursuers off by force of arms, if he's an aficionado of your work
undata: it's the building that remains
undata: rulers die, do they not?
asciilifeform: undata: 'pepsi' in the sense of an alternative to 'coke', which, in the lack of alternative, turns into 'usg soda'
undata: and should in that sense is "it is in the interest of the subjects to light themselves on fire otherwise"
undata: pepsi isn't the king
asciilifeform: undata: nah. pepsi in the sense of kingdoms to defect to.
undata: I can walk to one that makes their own in two blocks
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asciilifeform: there has to be a 'someone else.'
undata: absent the socialist subsidy of failure this works fine
undata: should the ruler not care about the continued breathing of the peasants, the peasants are best off making themselves as useless a burden to him as possible
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah it is.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this was actually amply discussed in here, a while back.
thestringpuller: Random and off topic. Pierre_Rochard was telling me about a country whose economy was riddle with Ponzi Schemes to the point real businesses were losing value because the ponzi's outnumbered the real businesses. I think it's Albania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_schemes_in_Albania Maybe someone can help shed more light as he didn't know what the country was at the time.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well... kina how B movies make their bread
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo why not "the coming of the comet" << I'm thinking a series of comets head towards earth, they were uncharted. Astronauts go to find the source and it's jsut a masturbating space giant. They have to fuck it and make it a pocket pussy so it stops endangering worlds with its seed
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well a good story needs an antagonist, in this case the Comet Cummer
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i think the orgasm subtext in "comet" needs moar usage tho.
mircea_popescu: so, you're asking me to believe that the guy was going to stop the comet with his cock ? or how exactly did he get to be the ONE ?