assbot: The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
RagnarDanneskjol: well, the folks here started a movement to roll back btc core development to a pristine, decrufted state
chalbersma: What seems to be the support problem you speak of?
decimation: yeah I was using the 'ports' db, which is 4.6 I think
asciilifeform: decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet.
asciilifeform: i also wrote a few of the simple patches found on jurov's site right now
asciilifeform: (other than being the devil who led these folks into the temptation of trying to craft a 'reference implementation.')
asciilifeform: i did the last merge personally, and i think a few folks here are using it
asciilifeform: (which others must sign? this question has not been formally answered yet. on account of there not being a real maintainer.)
asciilifeform: that is, it must address a specific thing, and patch is not really considered worthwhile until other participants are willing to sign it.
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev
RagnarDanneskjol: or the rules of contention
RagnarDanneskjol: got it. tithe I can live with. tax not so much
asciilifeform: hence his proclamation of 'tithe'
asciilifeform: if the troops are able and willing to follow jurov's turdatron rules (as well as produce quality work) - great news.
RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first
asciilifeform: what are they waiting for?
RagnarDanneskjol: i get it. there is quite a bit of volunteer support about to flood this channel for this purpose
asciilifeform: none of the folks here seem to have the magic combo of skill, inclination, and free time
asciilifeform: as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader.
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh ok, I'll take it up with the boss then - thought it originated w/ pete. thanks
RagnarDanneskjol: in particular the words it is established and moral requirement are unconscionable
RagnarDanneskjol: i didnt say they did. just passing an opinion
RagnarDanneskjol: i like the declaration but fuck the tax bs for gots sake man. I refuse to sign it! not cool pete
assbot: La Serenissima: Sovereign, Declares Tithe³ | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: well... promising 2.0 businesses such as ethereum could use more css...
mircea_popescu: er-tax proceeds that will buy eight hamburgers, then (d) you have had no real income from your investment, no matter how much it appreciated in dollars. You may feel richer, but you wont eat richer."
mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately, earnings reported in corporate financial statements are no longer the dominant variable that determines whether there are any real earnings for you, the owner. For only gains in purchasing power represent real earnings on investment. If you (a) forego ten hamburgers to purchase an investment; (b) receive dividends which, after tax, buy two hamburgers; and (c) receive, upon sale of your holdings, aft
mircea_popescu: the fact that thew system offers a strong guarantee that any deed can be verified in 1 step is valuable.
mircea_popescu: punkman so how would a 3rd party verify the contentless signature is anything ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, "we're ~cracking down~ dontcha know, notwithstanding that we have no authority. this activity without effect could nevertheless which could affect scams we sponsored to try and destroy this thing but it didn't work out".
mircea_popescu: jesus the wot is packed so thight you can't even throw a rock at the swamp without hitting someone
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate wired -1 such horribru coverage from the it kindergarten fishwrapper.
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah, I'd sign your raw deed, then send detached sig to bot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, because the scams hadn't already been cracked down upon a year ago, right here.
mircea_popescu: punkman so basically what, it verifies an alt-sig for the body of a prev deed ?
asciilifeform: and the verbiage is straight from last week's turds
asciilifeform: '...a crackdown that could affect promising Bitcoin 2.0 projects such as Ethereum, MaidSafe, and Counterparty.'
assbot: Feds Begin Their Crackdown on Bitcoin Stocks | WIRED
gribble: Sterquilinus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterquilinus>; STERCULIUS - the Roman God of Manure (Roman mythology): <http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/roman-mythology.php?deity=STERCULIUS>; Urban Dictionary: Sterculius: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sterculius>
mircea_popescu: anyway, stercum means shit. sterculius sounds like the god of diarrhea
asciilifeform: the fact that no one here is willing to answer this question by attempting to read the source, says something about the latter.
Adlai: pure speculation: it caches the list of -f patterns, then goes over the input lines, testing all patterns on each line. this would have a sharp performance drop as the patterns overflow caches.
mircea_popescu: shouldn't it just tree the f ?
asciilifeform: aside from the fundamentally bigger set ?
asciilifeform: the faux 'chemistry' really grated on him
mircea_popescu: so it is decided that... fancy this... they'll simply not pay.
asciilifeform: elena the 'chemist' ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, another fun story :
asciilifeform: who would have dared to monkey with the tyrant's bank account when he was on the throne.
mircea_popescu: eventually, as things got out of control they ran off in a helicopter
mircea_popescu: fun story : romania's dictators had nfi that they will be shot. because srsly, who would shoot obama, and why ?!?!?!
assbot: So I went to open a checking account today...How these banks have stayed in business this long is beyond reason. : Bitcoin
asciilifeform: or... 'Hie thee to hell for shame, and leave the world, Thou cacodemon! There thy kingdom is.' (richard iii)
mircea_popescu: it's not work of satan, it;'s work of whoever was the demon of sloth
punkman: and signature of the kingdom>
asciilifeform: the rest, is merely proving that you have it.
punkman: well maybe novelty item then
mircea_popescu: but i mean the passport comes as a temp freenode:#bitcoin-otc:blabla string
punkman: I'm guessing nubbins` will be printing the first batch of La Serenissima passports ;)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from my first impression, it looked like some savage found a piece of our microscope left in the jungle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don;'t think the wired story has anything to do with anything. for one thing... they EXPIRE ?!?!?!
punkman: no that's the balance being spent for each next bundle
mircea_popescu: punkman no, they're spent up to about yest ?
asciilifeform: (re: the idiot 'passport' thing)
punkman: the bundle txs are unspent, if that's what you meant
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
mircea_popescu: punkman https://blockchain.info/address/1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny << seem you got the url, and also check it out, regularly spent!
assbot: Hacker Dreams Up Crypto Passport Using the Tech Behind Bitcoin | WIRED
mircea_popescu: besides you know, they prolly go in different bundles, and in general, it's not the signature that's subordinate to the document, but the other way around
punkman: well even if I keep 450 copies, would be nice to detect it and present a special page with the document and a list of signatures
punkman: suppose everyone in assbot wot signs the declaration. doesn't make too much sense to keep 450 copies of the same document.
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> "absolved from all allegiance to any entity
is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation" << you gotta re-read.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who's the idiot ?
asciilifeform: 'If you dont like the Bitcoin Foundation, you could start a new one, right? Sure, absolutely. Just like you could start a new river Thames. Have a shovel. Start digging.' << lol!
kakobrekla: seems like their page is bit broked
asciilifeform: i don't remember what other people wanted, but i would like a hosting vendor who is in wot.
Adlai: "absolved from all allegiance to any entity… is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation"
mircea_popescu: i think pankkake published the code he was using somewhere
mircea_popescu: PeterL hey listen, can you make a website for the scoopbot bot ? put it under blogs.bitcoin-assets.com liek before ?
mircea_popescu: you can have it pm if you want for debug purposes or w/e, but otherwise kind-of redundant in chan
punkman: yeah ok, was more useful before the website existed
mircea_popescu: i would think take out the "bundle made" thing entirely
punkman: mircea_popescu: I'll make it grab, say the first 100 chars on the first line and use that for titles.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+Philosophers+Legacy | The men and women who were involved in The Philosopher's Legacy were also known as the Twelve Wisemen's Committee, the Patriots, or the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo.
assbot: There should be, ideally, a qntra for every topic, where experts simply tell the truth, plainly, in form and style. Would people get it?
mircea_popescu: and can it also use the first line as the title of the document always, so the "Title: " magic words are no longer needed in deeds ?
mircea_popescu: punkman can the punkbot skip the pgp header all the way to the next \n after "Hash:" ?
scoopbot: New post on Bingo Blog by BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/08/bbwaa-awards-predictions/
mircea_popescu: not an easy task, finding such among the pile at his disposal.
Apocalyptic: "That's absurd. The whole Lavabit episode actually indicates how strong the CA infrastructure really is", hearn
BingoBoingo: Silkscreening is what makes the robes weird
mircea_popescu: why should they pay.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard> for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably) << i dunno how that is supposed to stand. if they're not making a profit then their users are deriving all the benefit.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> * BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes. << Get nubbins' to print them!
mircea_popescu: * BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model << bitcoin corps, basically.
assbot: The #bitcoin-assets deed system pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Pierre_Rochard: yet they’re*
Pierre_Rochard: for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably)
BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe
Pierre_Rochard: off the top of my head: (1) avoid companies playing games with expenses to minimize taxable profits (2) widen the base to unprofitable and break-even companies (why should they be indirectly subsidized by profitable companies)
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: okay so indulge me, because i know nothing about the pros and cons of taxation: what are the benefits of taxing revenues?
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: both tax on revenues and tax on profits have their pros and cons. So I’m assuming the answer to my question is that it’s a tax on profits
ben_vulpes: imagine the pathological case where an operation's barely scraping by with margins of, oh let's just say 0.1%.
ben_vulpes: i don't think that dating these things is necessary. they embed in the blockchain, after all.
punkman: chetty: is there a crib sheet somewhere on using the deed thingy? << it's just one command!
punkbot: jurov: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Error: There is no command "list".
punkbot: ben_vulpes: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
mircea_popescu: sooo where are these nude photos of Miss Teen USA 2013 ?
asciilifeform: gotta sign, so we 'all hang together or separately' (as, i think, were the words of the americans.)
mircea_popescu: cazalla: where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before? << heh. and they mention it, too, because they're cultured and stuff. o.O
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: The thing is... Other my email is listed. Looks more like spear fisherman. << nah actually looks legit.
bounce: oh I don't know that. if the lines get long enough things get "interesting" in a hurry
mircea_popescu: and is magically the same for everyone ?
jurov: just resize the window?
bounce has awk to put the overly long lines into something comfortably readable. screens may get bigger and bigger, but the comfy line length doesn't change
mircea_popescu: then i have to run it through complex fucking awk to make it sane again
bounce disagrees. 80 cols for the ages.
mircea_popescu: (your browser should have a fit-to-screen option. and generally, formatting should be done locally not fucking up the document with spuriousness)
mircea_popescu: these things always are :)
jurov: quite a bombshell, the past para
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: lcamtuf's blog: Bash bug: the other two RCEs, or how we chipped away at the original fix (CVE-2014-6277 and '78)
Adlai: on the other hand, http://lcamtuf.blogspot.co.il/2014/10/bash-bug-how-we-finally-cracked.html
Adlai: it's only useful for this jpeg nonsense because it's able to "evolve" the format due to early branches in djpeg
jurov: likely it won't figure crypto in any reasonable timeframe, but otherwise..hmmm
BingoBoingo: So how sad is it that "planet of the apes" is the most probabale failure mode for homo erectus descendants
BingoBoingo appologizes, had no idea bittorrent was so slow in the event a person wants to download something the slightest bit interesting
BingoBoingo: <bounce> the whole industry is made out of "well we needed to do something, so we made up this thing. now everybody must do this thing, too.", starting with the CA root certs << Well, hookers invented something
bounce: the whole industry is made out of "well we needed to do something, so we made up this thing. now everybody must do this thing, too.", starting with the CA root certs
BingoBoingo: Honestly the default "comforting colors seem as shady as fuck
bounce: so the problem they're trying to solve by throwing a threadbare industry best current practice at it is to add some special "it's us, honest!"-sauce to link facebook.com and $facebook.onion
bounce: the onion address is governed by a private key, so no real chance of impersonation -- as long as you check the complete onion address
dignork: punkman: yes, but in theory signed ssl cert provides some identity validation. Although the same can be achieved by gpg signed .onion address.
assbot: DigiCert Considering Certs for Hidden Services | Threatpost | The first stop for security news
bounce: http://threatpost.com/digicert-considering-certs-for-hidden-services-beyond-facebook/109222 << facebook the gold standard of .onion certificate assurance now.
BingoBoingo: Sounds a lot like the definition of terrorism
bounce: ``Andrew Lewman, executive director of the Tor Project, which runs the service, said in an e-mail that it does not condone its use for illegal purposes and that it was unclear how authorities discovered the operators of the illicit sites.'' -- yet even the usg promotes its use to explicitly break the law in other countries. funny how that works.
cazalla: and your email is listed as the contact for when a backup is complete, i do em manually by ftp and phpmyadmin too
BingoBoingo: Bittorrent has to be the worst place to go to download the classics, if only it wasn't the only place
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: walk in cities and drive a car << iirc, in usa this gives an otherwise-immortal fellow about 500 years 'MTBF'.
BingoBoingo is Disappoint Matheney hasn't been shitcanned yet for haiting pr0n
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BingoBoingo: For all of the low traction sports bets on BitBet at least this entirely predictable outcome didn't hit the Market. https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/530926264668786689
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BingoBoingo: http://www.paladin-press.com/product/The_Armed-Citizen_Solution_to_Crime_In_the_Streets
BingoBoingo: I really dunno to much about Chicago. Other end of the state represent! Still we got Quinn out of the Governor's mansion before he could be charged breaking Illinois tradition.
decimation: BingoBoingo: if you read last psychiatrist, the best explanation is that all of the druggies in chicago are 'legit'
BingoBoingo: Washington, D.C. October 7, 2013 - Illinois has the 12th lowest drug overdose mortality rate in the United States, with 10 per 100,000 people suffering drug overdose fatalities, according to a new report, Prescription Drug Abuse: Strategies to Stop the Epidemic. << http://healthyamericans.org/reports/drugabuse2013/release.php?stateid=IL
mircea_popescu: how about that canadian woman a satellite found in the fucking white wastes ?
asciilifeform: most people understand that, if they are not a parachutist, their chance of death from unopened parachute is exactly zero.
mircea_popescu: In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes (30,296 fatal crashes)
decimation: http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/state-by-state-overview <<"There were 30,800 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2012 in which 33,561 deaths occurred. This resulted in national motor vehicle crash death rates of 10.7 deaths per 100,000 people and 1.14 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. "
decimation: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4863 << "The U.S. homicide rate declined by nearly half (49%), from 9.3 homicides per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1992 to 4.7 in 2011, falling to the lowest level since 1963. From 2002 to 2011, the average homicide rate for males was 3.6 times higher than the rate for females. The average homicide rate for blacks was 6.3 times higher than the rate for whites."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought it was gangland warfare. << Most of these survive
mircea_popescu: decimation but wait. imo the demo is about 10mn or so.
decimation: actually I suspect the main cause of death in that demographic is auto accidents
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the magic elixir of making idiots fellate their pistols - is not yet discovered. << But in Usia if you fail to make the pistol cum they take it away so you can't learn to succeed
decimation: just like for the first iraq war, it was statistically safer for a young male to be in iraq than in the us
mircea_popescu: for that matter, tons of people use facebook and kill themselves. but that's not a news item.
mircea_popescu: hanbot myeah. maybe that's the explanation.
hanbot: ask.fm forgot to pay off the carecops, s'all.
decimation: https://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/facts-and-figures << From 1986 to 2000, suicide rates in the U.S. dropped from 12.5 to 10.4 suicide deaths per 100,000 people in the population.
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mircea_popescu: they have 200mn users, which is downright fucking criminal. i don't for a second believe that this huge push is anything to do with "suicides".
mircea_popescu: except the owners happen to not be bezzle-rooted, some dudes in latvia rather than san fran.
mircea_popescu: decimation the thing is, it's a late comer to the stupid game, roughly a twitter ripoff with better interface.
decimation: lol " You see other kids all over the world committing suicide or at the very minimum getting their feelings hurt on this totally unnecessary platform."
mircea_popescu: http://www.overnightgeekuniversity.com/an-open-letter-to-teens-who-use-ask-fm-read-post-share/ <<< check out all the massive hate.
decimation: it's true that the design turdware is a serious problem
asciilifeform: how many ic fabs on planet 3 that -don't- use u.s.-authored 1) synthesis tools 2) cell libs
decimation: the trouble is, chip fabs are expensive as fuck, so there's not much money in keeping old ones alive
decimation: can manufacture IC products with technology nodes between 10,000 nanometers (nm) and 250 nm. Approximately half of the companies (22) can make ICs in the United States with technology nodes from 250 nm - 65 nm. A significantly smaller number of firms, six, can make IC products at dimensions below 65 nm, and just three of them have commercial-volume capability for 45 nm and 32 nm dimensions."
decimation: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/forms-documents/doc_view/73-u-s-integrated-circuit-design-and-fabrication-capability-2009 << "Fabrication companies were asked to report on their fabrication capabilities for the 2003 – 2006 period. The 49 companies that reported data operated more than 90 fabrication facilities in the United States in 2006 that were capable of making conventional IC products. Almost all of these companies (45),
decimation: usg wanting to maintain the last little vestige of us ic-printing is a different thing than usg deciding electronics
asciilifeform: it'll be interdicted and burned at the border.
asciilifeform: any country that obeys u.s. patent hegemony - not a market for the product, at least, not above ground.
mircea_popescu: on his own lathe
decimation: asciilifeform: not quite, if you had the $$ you could get TSMC or whoever to mint one
decimation: in the mainframe does it was considered quite ordinary to 'spin off' specialized tasks to specialized hardware
BingoBoingo: Actual computer might be worth the space to house it in a shipping container in the yard
asciilifeform: decimation: 'if things go on', it'll resemble the 'clipper chip.'
decimation: nevertheless, once this bitcoin thing does its thing to the financial world, these things will come (the bitcoind chip)
BingoBoingo: What about all of those brave people who unprinted NES chips to get the emulators right?
mircea_popescu: no further "dependencies".
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> where some pissant thing can be 'depended on' and break the world. << the "dependency" system is stupid and should go away.
asciilifeform: just as there is demand for a correct 'bitcoind.'
asciilifeform: decimation: there is demand.
asciilifeform: then - gate-level.
decimation: order of a Cesium oscillator. A PPS signal is derived from the USO and can be disciplined from Earth on rare occasion or from another orbiter via NTP. "
decimation: asciilifeform: there are hints about what is done for 'adult systems': http://doc.ntp.org/4.2.6/drivers/driver22.html "A scenario where the latter behavior can be most useful is a planetary orbiter fleet, for instance in the vicinity of Mars, where contact between orbiters and Earth only one or two times per Sol (Mars day). These orbiters have a precise timing reference based on an Ultra Stable Oscillator (USO) with accuracy in the
asciilifeform: 'I am 95 percent certain that they performed a massive de-anonymization attack on Tor hidden servers and were able to shut down all their targeted servers in the U.S., Europe or anywhere else where U.S. law has meaning, said Nicholas Weaver, a computer science researcher at the University of California, Berkeley.'
decimation: it's like discovering that the only meat available in the entire world is mcdonalds 'meat' and then realizing that apparently nobody cares
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/07/army_command_policy_language_problems_briefly_says_negro_acceptable_term.html
decimation: For instance, the other day I was looking to see if anyone provided specs for the cpu clock
decimation: the thing is, 'better gear' isn't available for any sum
asciilifeform: decimation: $0.1 micro doesn't have access to video ram to display the 'volume control bar' etc.
decimation: the smi thing is similar, depending on what hardware you are using, the bios literally steals cpu to use it to maintain temps, fan speeds, etc
asciilifeform: and each pissant gizmo under the control of a separate human pissant, naturally
asciilifeform: where some pissant thing can be 'depended on' and break the world.
asciilifeform: but individual pieces of garbage aside, i fucking hate the entire ecosystem
decimation: asciilifeform: I learned about the 'tardation of SMI interrupts today
decimation: This Lv guy writes in something other than English
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> i see our little cant count for shit friend dropped 850mbps of bs on the lawgs << was about 750 on qntra earlier too
mircea_popescu: dude i think kako drunk for like the first time in his life
ben_vulpes: <jurov> mod5, ben_vulpes: i hereby submit a proposal for the foundation's fund to be used for x.idiff marketmaking << lol no but good try