mircea_popescu: back then it was a big deal, wallets being unencrypted.
mircea_popescu: iirc that's when the first windows wallet stealer trojan was reported.
asciilifeform: Adlai: there will come the day when winblows users dumb enough to run hotwallet will find their coin magicked away.
BingoBoingo: ALong with the sort of marketing shill who just wants a check and will endorse any idiocy
BingoBoingo: Adlai: The professional Derps
mircea_popescu: gave the locals a start.
mircea_popescu: got out in the night, put the boer flag on the local fort, filled a cannon with a blank shot and a long fuse and well...
mircea_popescu: lightoller, back during his time in the navy, was on a ship visiting south africa during the boer war
BingoBoingo: Well, a lot of the problems Bitcoin solves aren't relevant to ISIS
Adlai: this is about as related to bitcoin as it would be if south sudan were to mint its own pound... oh wait, they did. where's qntra on that?
mircea_popescu: maybe they knew better, hard to know what individuals knew or thought. but imo, they honestl ybelieved ice is now butter, because forward britannia!
mircea_popescu: so therefore!
mircea_popescu: did they hang him ?
mircea_popescu: that means either i don't have kids or my kids don't do so well.
mircea_popescu: so they'd hang me.
asciilifeform: folks who actually made their living on ships, knew better.
asciilifeform: the 'uncrushable' thing was more of a marketing literature, tbh
asciilifeform: curious why mr. l did not say this, then.
asciilifeform: he's essentially sticking to the 'flondor defence.'
asciilifeform: the Atlantic Ocean.'
asciilifeform: L: Then all I can say is that recklessness applies to practically every commander and every ship crossing
asciilifeform: which you have described as abnormal, and in view of the knowledge you had from various sources that
asciilifeform: 'C: What I want to suggest to you is that it was recklessness, utter recklessness, in view of the conditions
mircea_popescu: when a ship is sinking, the officer is to do EXACTLY what's done.
mircea_popescu: the fundamntal understanding of this is illustrated by the case made for giving people tenure and shit. research is an activity of the safe, which is why prisons and other emperor of the flies situations aren't conducive to proving the fermat conjecture.
mircea_popescu: a ship is sinking is undisputably the worst time to be going out doing "research".
mircea_popescu: his decisions were correct on the deck.
mircea_popescu: Lightoller is a particularly bad example, by the way.
asciilifeform: quite a few of the ancient science-fictional machines of early 20th c. imagination.
mircea_popescu: it's the one card out that could save teh current usg / societal structure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, seriously, cold fusion would actually make the "local production" stuff that link earlier was harping about a reality.
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: to rephrase, the dollar would have lost 99.99% of its value on the trip to 1mn BTCUSD
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to picture how bitcoin would have been treated, even in the embryonic stage, if the implications for the next xxx years from it, were entirely obvious to all.
asciilifeform: modern-day physicists want a demonstrable equivalence principle violation the way they want horsecock.
asciilifeform: or rather, lack of experiment, because the entire sub-field formed a 'solid blue wall' against herr schwartz
asciilifeform: but the phenomenon described above is entirely the root of the al schwartz equivalence principle violation experiment
asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, the experience of years and what we have always done outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.'
asciilifeform: 'If it ever becomes generally known that cold fusion is real, how will the scientists who opposed it react? A few may take responsibility and go down with the ship, retiring from academic life. I hope that most will regret their actions, and try to prevent such a thing from occurring again. Some will react the way Lightoller did, blaming Pons and Fleischmann. They may say the traditions and customs of science a
mircea_popescu: this is the definition of an engineer.
gribble: N ray - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_ray>; Robert W. Wood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Wood>; Blondlot and N-rays - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com: <http://skepdic.com/blondlot.html>
asciilifeform: robert wood was probably the one notable exception to this blindness.
mircea_popescu: "gotta play the audience" means exactly that.
asciilifeform: the linked article is at least partly about this.
mircea_popescu: this is something a politician is keenly aware of, but since the expert's brain actually functions, he's no politician.
mircea_popescu: the #2 reason it is idiotic is that discussion has remanence, poker hands do not. expert 30 years in has a fucking string of noted down examples of having done this, people with an ideologic interest can use to strangle him with
mircea_popescu: on the, bluffs here, bluffs everywhere heuristic
mircea_popescu: the #1 reason it is idiotic is that the inept player may actually and usually does notice the loosening, and takes this as a honest signal that the expert is bluffing
asciilifeform: almost as if they were living creatures trying to conserve energy or something
mircea_popescu: the most significant error of judgement made by experts as far as i've seen yet is
asciilifeform: although 'tilt' might be the more relevant pokerism
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on the vary basic level.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The homeless bitcoin camp
asciilifeform: ^ very interestingly perverse comparison of the 'titanic' aftermath and that of 'cold fusion'
asciilifeform: still believes that cold fusion calorimetry indicates real excess heat, the frustrated expert may resort to extreme, untenable claims, such as a statement that no calorimeter has an error less than 10%, when in fact the error margin for top-quality conventional instruments is on the order of 0.1%. Or he may wave his hands and say calorimeters are so undependable that you cannot run one for more than a few days
asciilifeform: 'This sort of illogic is rampant in debates about cold fusion, particularly when experts respond to irritating, unwelcome suggestions made by amateurs. They start out cautioning the amateur that instruments such as calorimeters have a margin of error, and calorimeters frequently malfunction with leaking cooling fluid and other problems. When the expert senses the message is not getting through, and the amateur
mircea_popescu: jurov: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE looks interesting again <<< it does, esp the week view. o.O look at that.
mircea_popescu: apparently. well then i dunno.
asciilifeform: around here, the 'common step away from excel' is 'r'.
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, it's the common step away from excel
asciilifeform must have slept through the re-appearance of 'j'
mircea_popescu: you think coders are bad, just wait till you see mathematicians apply automated processes to statistical samples.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just between you and me and nobody else : i very much doubt the average j user actually has the mental acumen to correctly understand the actual effects of recursive transforms available to them, wavelets or no wavelets.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I gave the viewport tag one last tweak, next step is yeah, just denying mobiles any styling at all beyond what they bring on their own
asciilifeform: fingers - will of their own.
mircea_popescu: most mobile platforms have spent more money on making their thing work on unstyled websites than we ever will on qntra.
asciilifeform: i've probably crapped out every conceivable kind of mistake (when hammering in real time. text that i get to read again before broadcast - another matter)
mircea_popescu: davout: disabling all CSS would be fine << he has a point there, just de-css-ify it for mobile, will be fine.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin software does not appear to be vetted to such an extend. << the english-t to d migration is soooo indicative of a native romanian speaker you can't imagine.
mats_cd03: funny how there's no mention of USD being worth <0.1% of BTC if it goes to 1mn BTCUSD
mircea_popescu: cazalla: so.. is qntra down for others? << uh i just looked at it.
mircea_popescu: dailykos, it doesn't do equations, they're racist.
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jurov: re:putin http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/russia-says-fleet-of-warships-is-off-australia-for-climate-research/story-fnpebfcn-1227123047034?nk=944f472ed8ac245182d4622953d08019
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.paymentssource.com/news/interchange/kim-kardashians-lessons-for-the-bitcoin-card-industry-3019708-1.html
The20YearIRCloud: RentalStarter has set their 12th monthly dividend payment today. Total per share is 0.00002537
gernika: BingoBoingo: I liked the IsisCoin story.
davout: punkman: "uses a different (and simpler) way to check that the public keys used to make the signature are valid" <<< sounds sketchy
punkman: for future reference: "gpgv" is somewhat smaller than the fully-blown gpg and uses a different (and simpler) way to check that the public keys used to make the signature are valid.
jurov: ^ just for the mood
davout: that's the advantage with sites that are lightly styled, they usually degrade much better when disabling CSS
jurov: is that the pencilneck one? or it was canadian PM?
jurov: and i prefer the ability of user to check stuff on his side before uploading text and files
jurov: btw, if i'm doing the web submission, what about js verifier? does anyone has it already?
cazalla: punkman, i'll leave it in the hands of mp
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 22:25:37; mircea_popescu: rithm: it's cryptowall now and from what i can tell it's infected sites like mom & pop's ruinning old WP/drupal/some CMS <<< yeah, stuff the shitheads in question don't maintain, then i have to answer biweekly questions of "is qntra down". off with their heads i say!
cazalla: so.. is qntra down for others?
cazalla: putin is due to land here within a few hours with obama due in the morning
mircea_popescu: !up pirateoftheapes
mircea_popescu: all these years ?!
punkman: nubbins`: so maybe deedbot shouldn't be stripping the \n at eof << it's not really, just doesn't care for anything outside the first and last dash of a gpg message
Naphex: yet then people go well 'Romania!'
Naphex: mircea_popescu: BTCXchange offered SSL Authenticated with GlobalSign.EU, the registration certificate was posted. And all due dilligance info posted
Naphex: punkman: they sure had lots of fake volume
mircea_popescu: they tend to read and understand, it's what they do. not like "why should i even bother with the wot" an' stuff.
punkman: did they even have any customers?
mircea_popescu: i wrote a little about the nuttery of it, back in romanian days. lemme see if i can find it.
dgeats: not “a bundle of rights” like in the states?
mircea_popescu: dgeats they are bizarre at best.
dgeats: in real estate not by accident, it’s still a major part of the economy
Vexual: thats almost bens neck of the woods
dgeats: about a week into the logs, lots and lots to catch up on
dgeats: been here for the past 10 years or so
BingoBoingo: Wait, so the FBI lives in your butt?
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask dgeats!~user@173.219.118.98. Trust relationship from user dgeats to user dgeats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=dgeats&dest=dgeats | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dgeats | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing the internet sewer, https://bitcointa.lk/threads/definitive-proof-that-satoshi-nakamoto-is-james-a-donald.320588/
Vexual: still parsing the history of pgp
Vexual: I wonder how small they can go if smaller is easier
mircea_popescu: lots of free money may help there.
BingoBoingo: Oh, but without fears of a Stalin, they only way to develop it requires insuring it.
mircea_popescu: something on the magnitude order of getting fusion to work is pretty much the only way out of the slump for teh west.
assbot: Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers, seems to have 1 million times the energy density of gasoline | ExtremeTech
mircea_popescu: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is a miniaturized version easier is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: he reduced size just 10 feet by 7 feet will allow Lockheed to design, build, and test the CFR in less than a year.
mircea_popescu: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/192126-lockheed-says-itll-make-a-truck-sized-fusion-reactor-within-10-years << and from the bold claims department...
BingoBoingo: I mean over here we grow fucking Dent corn for the sugar and actual sweet corn as a table vegetable
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: On the otherhand it isn't the slightest bit unbelievable for a dairy cow to drag its titties through cow shit <<< im pretty sure nobody milks unwashed anymore.
BingoBoingo: I mean the reason to avoid rare-ish ground beef is more sloppy meatcutters opening the colon than anything else
mircea_popescu: beef is safer than most meats, but still. you dun see the stuff.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: RetroUpriser: Generally in a steak if there was a pathogen of conern you'd see/smell the abcess and wonder then the cow got into a knife fight << nah, most of the stuff youi can get that way you don't see.
mircea_popescu: anyway, romania is a few of the european states that never had it. along with, iirc, switzerland.
mircea_popescu: hadn't he done so, you'd probably have heard spineless gonzalez, bharara et all argue for the legitimacy of their use.
mircea_popescu: that's a thing nixon is never remembered for, ending the biological warfare stockpiles.
BingoBoingo: Basically for all of the expense and derping, USDA can't actually guarentee its own guarentees
mircea_popescu: maybe it's from the us weapons stockpile.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: real reason: it is an extraordinarily expensive, multi-generational project to keep the entire field from developing. <<< what sense does that make ?
BingoBoingo: I mean the surface is better defined by... solidity
BingoBoingo: In milk generally all of the protein and fat globules contribute to surface area
RetroUpriser: I suppose, but im a huge fan so the risk < reward
BingoBoingo: Meat usually isn't so bad because there's less vulnerable surface area than milk
RetroUpriser: Bottom line is that you shouldn't expose yourself to unclean products when you know they are of shady origin. But when you have a local farm that you can check out and see its sanitary conditions yourself.. it takes alot of the risk out of the picture.
BingoBoingo: Which is why if the milk was raw yu want it in already fermented products where either dangerous smells would be stronger or the product wouldn't appear right. Milk itself is dangerous though.
RetroUpriser: Right, im sure there are alot of cases where meat could be infected and not show the slightest sign of it
RetroUpriser: Would you smell it in the raw milk?
BingoBoingo: On the otherhand it isn't the slightest bit unbelievable for a dairy cow to drag its titties through cow shit
BingoBoingo: RetroUpriser: Generally in a steak if there was a pathogen of conern you'd see/smell the abcess and wonder then the cow got into a knife fight
RetroUpriser: But no more than eating a medium rare steak from the cow producing it
BingoBoingo: Well the thing is something cultured with the right stuff doesn't give the wrong stuff the chance to live and you can tell by smell. It's why cheese and yogurt are safe but raw milk is a highway to the dangerzone
RetroUpriser: But in the same sense, avoid all natural probiotic foods because they could be contaminated with harmful bacteria?
BingoBoingo: Far from it, raw milk and beastiality are the only real ways to contract it
RetroUpriser: And i wouldnt say raw milk is the #1 way to contract it
BingoBoingo: RetroUpriser: Even if. The responsible bacteria produces a good number of toxis so an antibiotic killing it creates a peak exposure to those during treatment
BingoBoingo: The number of Homo genus members that acquires Brucellosis in Brucellosis free states amuses me
RetroUpriser: Is there a market for overnight shipping of raw milk?
assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
BingoBoingo: dgeats: Are you familiar with http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/
dgeats: aren’t they supposed to be private!!?
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
gribble: Error: '1A76' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
asciilifeform: incidentally, this document is a fine example of the kind of stereotypically-bureaucratic style of writing usg runs on.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: to cut to the chase, grep for 'ignition'
BingoBoingo: How many cover pages do they need
asciilifeform: real reason: it is an extraordinarily expensive, multi-generational project to keep the entire field from developing.
asciilifeform: http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f14/Volume%201%20NNSA.pdf << mega-turd. i don't expect that anyone will read it. but i did. and will relate, how obscenely it brags about the extraordinary bezzle of the u.s. 'national ignition facility'
BingoBoingo: Or when Nixon banished the rest of the press corps so he could talk to Hunter S. Thompson about football
BingoBoingo: I wonder how long the Chinese will suffer Buterin's Waterfall before forcing a showdown on the matter of STFUSA
BingoBoingo: The TiDerps were slain, righteous had a path, and Bitcoin was cemented in the following months
BingoBoingo: The newest past was born in January 2013
mircea_popescu: anyway, no point crying over the mud-like stupidity of our parents.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But tis is the past!
BingoBoingo: Dentist brother is an absolute hoot around marine cousins though, with their memories of ship board dentistry
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Yes dentist brother gets his $600 bezzel per working day, but youngest brother for some reason doesn't share dentist brother's deviance.
asciilifeform: t nobody was smart enough to see the next millennium coming.'
asciilifeform: obligatory naggum: 'suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to pretend tha
mircea_popescu: "door's that way" and variations thereof.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo larger problem : men don't generally get that they have the god fucking given right to say "fuck you and get lost"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The problem I when he presents it is that not everyone wants to marry a large SJW, even if it means the dog you get in exchange is adorable
mircea_popescu: stan's fork will win the bitcoin through the same interplay of the same cosmic forces.
decimation: yeah actually bitcoin is a great example of the link I posted yesterday, about technologies that *should* have been invented in the past but were not
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nobody ever goes "you shitfaces, THIS opportunity you missed. all of you." << My brother the dentist does if you get him drunk.
mircea_popescu: well, except for terrorist me, of course, in a piece about romania's 80s generation. but that's besides the point.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the great thing about PGP is that GPG 1.4x fork won
mircea_popescu: people tend to be very laudative of the people that were smart, at any juncture
mircea_popescu: and pushed the holy trifecta through
decimation: now I wish the money would go away
mircea_popescu: because the bureaucracy DOES speak english.
mircea_popescu: the exact sort of thing that would render a us expeditionary force if the arabs but spoke english, is the exact thing that renders the "well meaning" idiots you mentioned earlier
mircea_popescu: not because you want to use their code
mircea_popescu: "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business."
mircea_popescu: dja mean anathema ?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not really. RedHat still has updates. Red Hat's antithesis though...
decimation: rhel has slowly gone downhill over the past few years - becoming more 'poetterized'
mircea_popescu: at the time i had a full complement of php coder guru types, threw in "make me a better wp" in a worklist once and well...
mircea_popescu: bout 5-6 years ago i had an actual major portal site, dtng (the 4chan clone) was on it, also fain (a romanian digg) and my blog and a bunch of other shit
BingoBoingo wishes more software would go the errata+patches route
mircea_popescu: not in the past 6 months at least, no.
PeterL: BingoBoingo: cascadianhacker apparently doesn't have a working feed, but I could add it to the list on the right
mircea_popescu: PeterL fixed max helps the skim reader
decimation: mircea_popescu: I would agree with the 'idiot' label - but you realize that this 'catches' at least 95% of humanity - who generally refuse to consider their position w.r.t. the entire world's (and history's) context
assbot: missives from the post-megastate frontier
BingoBoingo: PeterL: The look, the styling... simply beautiful http://cascadianhacker.com/index.html
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Looks good, think you are missing Ben Fox's blog and maybe a couple others.
mircea_popescu: in general, the country suffers when taxes are paid, and gains through graft.
mircea_popescu: the word for this is "idiots"
decimation: mircea_popescu: there are genuine people with genuine skills who spend their entire lives attempting to make usg better
mircea_popescu: but in general : it is good that any one person steals any one sum from the usg.
decimation: at least with private cons, the damage is likely to be limited and obvious in scope, rather than 'socialized'
mircea_popescu: whereas when taxes are significant, the opposite happens.
mircea_popescu: and so the conman moves to try adn con private interest.
mircea_popescu: the major point about low taxes is that it makes the pot of the public treasury too small to hold the estimation of the conman
decimation: real estate will always be an asset - but the bezzle freshly printing to fund it won't
decimation: so this guy profits... and the 'taxpayer' picks up the $$bn bill for freddie mac and implicit bank guarantees
BingoBoingo: Also... Qntra's in the top quarter million nao
BingoBoingo: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << At this point in qntra's age I'm not disliking the sawtooth pattern.
mircea_popescu: was on qntra earlier, which is the only reason she's notable.
mircea_popescu: literally, the crisis will go around romania.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they can all hold hands with the canada chick and chant how "bitcoin is not coming and not posing a risk"
BingoBoingo: Indeed, but also a factor that will provide the catalyst for the acceptance of Venetian Bitcoind
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, all the more reasons to have a proper, functional implementation of the canonical bitcoin code
decimation: asciilifeform: supposedly that socket wrench that destroyed the missile in the silo in arkansas was 'ilegal'
BingoBoingo: I could seriously imagine the chinese miners being coerced to oppose a USGaving blocksize increase simply because it hurts the payment processors. Bezelzebub bless the triad of mutual enemies working together for our success!
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
asciilifeform: al said. This was one of many maintenance problems that had been around so long that no one reported them anymore.'
asciilifeform: '...in one case, the discovery that the crews that maintain the nations 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. They started FedExing the one tool to three bases spread across the country, one official familiar with the contents of the reports said Thursday. No one had checked in years to see if new tools were being made, the offici
asciilifeform: in other news...
mircea_popescu: but hey, who's to argue with the politico-experts, right ?
mircea_popescu: "Seriously, I bet the model is some kind of gunky spreadsheet. Or something little better, anyway. A mishmash of data being shoved together to reach predetermined conclusions, with tons of ad hoc assumptions. " << sounds like exactly dub's brew :D
decimation: yeah the author doesn't go far enough
mircea_popescu: they should all hang for his sins. he may get off with prison, being just a fraud
mircea_popescu: "It all traces back to the fact that the academy did not police itself properly. They gave, or through their inaction/laziness allowed to get, this guy and his (retarded) output the mantle of expertise. If the bad PR spilling off of him now redounds back onto other academicians in his peer group I understand that will be unfair in some cases but they have only themselves to blame."
BingoBoingo: Well, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/cm0liy8 seems not to be popular with the redditards, but on blocksizefork Bitpay has an incentive to choose the shitgnome side and face punishment
mircea_popescu: "give us your daugther or we fork it" sort of bs.