jurov: so why the separatists were so eager to claim it?
nubbins`: i actually use viscosity as a guide leading up to the smoke point
pete_dushenski: that usg is less threatening by the day i tell you
pete_dushenski: "the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country"
nubbins`: i won't know when the pan is hot enough!
nubbins`: jurov / urovj i wait for my oil to smoke before putting food in the pan :/
pete_dushenski: http://karakullake.blogspot.com/2014/11/assads-31-forms-of-torture.html << from the old school
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
pete_dushenski: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/us/series-of-secret-service-blunders-eased-way-for-white-house-intruder.html?_r=0 << makes that gasenwagen a lot less threatening of a theory
nubbins`: the guy who runs javaranch got me into cast iron
pete_dushenski: and no assbot either eh
pete_dushenski: so coinbase scored another $50 mn
jurov: btw, what else can putin do? taking care of the nation is not capable of enacting western definition of lawful order
nubbins`: "According to MacDonald, Putin did not respond positively. He didn't provide further details."
mats_cd03: "... the nation's homeless czar" << lol
mats_cd03: "The city spends $165 million a year on homeless services, about half of which funds supportive housing. That’s one of the highest levels of per-capita spending on homelessness of any city in the nation, said Philip Mangano, who served as the nation’s homeless czar under President Bush."
xanthyos: SF spends its billions laying asphalt for zig-zaggy roads on their hills, not on the homeless
mats_cd03: sure. there are still hills of homeless in SF, despite billions spent trying to fix it
xanthyos: california is a scam state and hollywood has used its media to convince the world that it doesn't suck there, but it really does
xanthyos: actually liberal "utopias" like sf have very little accomodations for the poor
mats_cd03: 08:56:40 <+BingoBoingo> Seriously though you feed the homeless in someone else's city so they all go there. Pied Piper and shit. << aka San Francisco
xanthyos: using the customer's assumption that banking is a slow process (2 business days) and doubling that hoping they won't notice just to extend their opportunity to abort a sale that's not in their favor
xanthyos: so coinbase gets 4 full days to abort my purchase, which they will, if the prices goes up, and they won't if it levels or drops. with btc market volatility they have a sure thing
xanthyos: http://i.gyazo.com/970002ace57462fba98546820653d316.png << look at the progress bar on an electronic transaction initiated two full days ago. obsolescence.
BingoBoingo: Seriously though you feed the homeless in someone else's city so they all go there. Pied Piper and shit.
nubbins`: THERE ARE NO HUNGRY PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> <undata> if I were russia, I'd wait for the US to go balls deep into the middle east again, and then I'd grab some of the north pole's oil, <<< obviously, you're not russia. <<< dat unfamilairity with arctic sovereignty claims
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 07:32:47; asciilifeform: ultimately, there is no factory that churns out pilot plants
Adlai: you wouldn't say that militaries are still churning out pilot plants, but the automation/control balance of piloting itself has shifted?
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, meh not promoting something that thinks "When a user wants to create an address, the user provides her identity to an IVS. The IVS checks that the provided identity is the identity of a real person who can be located and be accountable if illegal activity is detected, similar to existing Bitcoin payment systems such as Coinbase." is a good idea
mircea_popescu: nevertheless academia would STILL be fundamentally broken to the point of complete dysfunction.
mircea_popescu: this is actually the fundamental problem with western academia. the self-licking icecreamcones problem is just a convenient frosting over this, but the point remains that even should that matter be solved, as it trivially would be solved - by say a stalin, which is always cheap
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/polygraph-com-owner-accused-of-training-customers-to-beat-the-polygraph/
mircea_popescu: oh brother...
mircea_popescu: "This muddle finally hurts those following in the researcher's path. Long after he has his Ph.D. or his tenure, inquiring students will be put off by the document he has left behind. He seems to have solved everything already, so the report says, yet there is no tangible evidence of it besides the report itself."
fivezerotwo: thanks thestringpuller
RagnarDanneskjol: the last one actually works perfectly fine - just was on unsecure server
RagnarDanneskjol: punkman i think eventually you're gonna ahve to ditch electrum and run a daemon - these issues are somewhat known and why deedbot 1.0 replaced it w/ api
asciilifeform: chicom firm cornered the market, the story went, to the point of total monopoly - then went bust
asciilifeform: re: top hats: i vaguely recall that the planet lost the capacity to make toothpicks for a few months at some point in '09 (?)
empyex: thestringpuller: Next conference starts in 5 months and 2 days. Estimated cost today: 3.31292039 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
punkman: so electrum is blocking forever when I try to send a tx, then the tx sending thread gets stuck
mircea_popescu: in the positive sense of that term.
decimation: but the idea of 'mass production software' is nonsensical
decimation: one can imagine the software craftsman being aided by tools (likely of his own making)
decimation: it seems to come down to a question of economics, it's generally cheaper to pay a master craftsman to labor over one item, but if one is building thousands it is worth the start-up cost of the robots
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imagine if, e.g., the 'golden gate' bridge had been built by a retarded child. out of match sticks.
mircea_popescu: the fact that bitcoin .5.3 is full of spot welds is not a quality.
mircea_popescu: whosoever programs the robots doesn't have to do so with chewing gum however.
asciilifeform: much of what makes civilization tick, is not available off the shelf, and the entire notion is nonsensical.
decimation: someone has to program the robots after all
asciilifeform: craftsmanship all the way down, after a certain point.
asciilifeform: ultimately, there is no factory that churns out pilot plants
asciilifeform: decimation: this is not actually uncommon at the 'what is the factory made of' level in industry.
mircea_popescu: doesn't mean the machines still exist.
decimation: asciilifeform: there's a good example of the 'art v. science' re: moon program here: http://eb-misfit.blogspot.com/2013/10/relighting-saturn-vs-f-1-rocket-engine.html?showComment=1381683061332#c1607749688683256926 "There were single welds on the engine that took all day to weld, by hand, and there were thousands of such welds. The engineers working on the new F1 copy say that theirs has less than 1/10th the parts of the original F1
asciilifeform: but i can sorta see the point he was trying to make.
asciilifeform: e often than you might think. ... ... Space enthusiasts say, 'If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we put a man on the moon?' "The answer, Simberg explains, is that we can't "because most of the people who did it are in their dotage or dead, and a lot of it was more art than science."'
asciilifeform: 'Knowledge can be lost. Sometimes this is perfectly reasonable: No one knows how to kill and skin a mastodon anymore, for obvious reasons. And cultures frequently lose knowledge as they evolve past it--you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who could write a computer program on punch-cards today. But there is something worrisome about misplacing knowledge that is only a generation or two old. And this happens mor
mircea_popescu: we need to bully these autistic savants a whole of a lot more, can't be letting the libtards having all the fun.
mircea_popescu: had he just pointed and laughed at the "offended" idiots we could have just moved on.
mircea_popescu: see, it's imbeciles like this that cause trouble. now the point will have to be carved out of some innocent women's skin that nobody gives a shit.
BingoBoingo: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/14/rosetta-comet-dr-matt-taylor-apology-sexist-shirt#comment-43664788
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asciilifeform: some of us here, imho, shall live to see the felt brought back.
asciilifeform: aha like the u.s. hbomb tamper foam.
decimation: asciilifeform: of course stalin's agents were all over the us bomb as it was being made
mircea_popescu: to me this is much worse news than the extinction of whatever stupid fish or crap
mircea_popescu: cazalla i know specifically what im talking about, because the last looms capable of making the required felt were destroyed a decade ago as part of a family feud.
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cazalla: mircea_popescu: certainly not a top hat. <<< maybe akubra? nfi on top hats but they have a solid rep
asciilifeform: state that can't keep a secret << incidentally, notice that no complete 'dump' for ru nuke of whatever variety ever hit the net.
asciilifeform: actually iran tried to build laser separator. the men involved - died. and not of industrial accidents.
mircea_popescu: the much classier later versions won no war.
mircea_popescu: they won a war
mircea_popescu: decimation the original bombs were'nt that classy.
asciilifeform: above is more or less the recipe
asciilifeform: 1/10000th the cost of conventional gas centrifuge.
mircea_popescu: just making the general point.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the iranians don't manage just shows how fucktarded htey are. it's by now a one man job.
mircea_popescu: i can centrifuge my own uranium, there's plenty of places where it's directly exploitable etc.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the operative boojum wouldn't be the demolition of a particular plot of real estate.
mircea_popescu: the sad truth of the matter is that with the current state of manufacturing, i could build my own nuke. wouldn't even take a decade.
mircea_popescu: dub no, the fat female kim. champagne assgirl.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, see the experiences of the various members of the tsar's fambly with artisanal bombs
mircea_popescu: it is always that nobody can be bothered.
mircea_popescu: well, let's ut it this way : the reason the state does not collapse in a tsunami of violence is not now nor was it ever historically that such would be physically impossible.
asciilifeform: aha but we just need the 1.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather think about kim's butt.
mircea_popescu: how do you add deuterium inside the core ? with an enema pump ?
decimation: right, the 'fissile' bomb runs out of fissile material
asciilifeform: unless the case is one of 'intrinsic' safety a la fissile mechanics
Adlai: thestringpuller: overall though i liked the bip65 article, it was worded neutrally enough that it could almost be tagged 'News'
asciilifeform: what has been limited by the hand of man, can be un-limited.
asciilifeform: to large-scale wars at the cost of prolonging indefinitely a peace that is no peace.'
asciilifeform: 'Had the atomic bomb turned out to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on the other hand, have meant the end of national sovereignty and of the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems to be the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult to produce as a battleship, it is likelier to put an end
asciilifeform: doesn't even matter if 99 in a hundred men who open theirs, die
asciilifeform: incidentally, if the magic fusor can be nudged into chain reaction, it's game over.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> are you saying that you can't use a silencer and a sub-sonic round? << Range and terminal energy at the target become huge problems this way
mircea_popescu: just think, the promise of the electric car married to the promise of the fusion battery
mircea_popescu: i suppose the next logical bezzle step is a tesla-lockheed merger
asciilifeform: decimation: the actual 'silent pistol' does not use a gas silencer.
mircea_popescu: so they claim yeah.
mircea_popescu: decimation because they can't be made.
asciilifeform: incidentally, if 'cheap and compact source of infinite energy', the 'plasma rifle' from 'doom', etc. can exist.
asciilifeform: which 'military laser' ? there are 1000.
mircea_popescu: decimation you're late. the first military laser IS co2, uv.
decimation: I suspect the first 'military laser' will be infrared
decimation: right, one that transmits somewhere in the visible spectrum (to humans)
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:41:00; asciilifeform: because it is the only one which existed upon the earth before bitcoin was valuable!
Adlai: mircea_popescu: playing around with the magnitude of "valuable" in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922718
asciilifeform: the enemy can be reasonably certain of his own death.
mircea_popescu: the first blocks mined are still unspent.
decimation: I imagine there's going to have to be some kind of visible protocol, otherwise the enemy would simply be confused about what's going on
asciilifeform: decimation: meatbags will still do 100% of the dying.
Adlai: asciilifeform: if you want to find when bitcoin started to have value, just look at when people began hoarding it: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/2881 suggests the april 2010 as the start of hoarding
decimation: I suspect that fusion-powered robots will be doing most of the fighting anyway
decimation: imagine 'future war' where your squad as a 'laser machine gun'. In order to take the next hill, you need to lay down suppressing fire. the laser machine gunner opens up, and the enemy doesn't notice
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it dun has a blacklist
assbot: 8 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb
asciilifeform: !s you and the atomic bomb
asciilifeform: if they find fusion, laser wars between flying machines.
decimation: 'this' being the current state of computing?
mircea_popescu: if they find fusion, it does.
asciilifeform: decimation: another generation or three of 'this', and hardware will look like the same shitfest as os/sw stack is now. fortunately 'this' doesn't have even one generation left in it.
Adlai: thestringpuller: BIP65 article, link to CTransaction::nLockTime
Adlai: or if you don't want to use the polish fork for some reason, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.h#L403
mircea_popescu: or w/e the 13th was
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's your article from yest
Adlai: thestringpuller: why not link in http://qntra.net/2014/11/bip-65-revisiting-nlocktime/ to the polished code? https://github.com/adlai/bitcoin/blob/polish/src/main.h#L397
Adlai: hm, no link to the google results page?
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mircea_popescu: perhaps because asm hard is the proper sort of hard. whereas dependency hell and library cruft is the horribly bad sort of hard.
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe their lives were harder, but 1960s programmers certainly seem happier.
mircea_popescu: i don't even think code as tight can still be made, much like you can't have a proper boot made anymore, and hardly a proper suit of clothes.
mircea_popescu: i have NEVER and I do mean NEVER saw programs as good as bacxk in the days of asm.
mircea_popescu: this is the stupidest thing i ever read.
mircea_popescu: And the lives of programmers were hard, and the case of their end-users miserable; for, strive as the programmers might, perfection was achieved only in toy programs while in real-world systems the defect rate was nigh-intolerable. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
mircea_popescu: In the beginning there was assembler. And programming was hard. The semantic gap between how humans think about problems and what we knew how to tell computers to do was vast; our ability to manage complexity was deficient. And in the gap software defects did flourish, multiplying in direct proportion to the size of the programs we wrote.
joecool: BingoBoingo: looks same as mine except i have a ??? between the last two
joecool: they're onto us
mircea_popescu: the future of ba is point to point cabling it'd seem.
joecool: lets try some other countries
Adlai: lizard nazis probing the turmite colony's readership habits
decimation: yeah in theory the internet has all kinds of redundant routing, in practice there are many chokepoints it would seem
decimation: I donno. if there is some theoretical anti-ddos filter, it might try to limit its action to certain subnets?
decimation: someone might have figured out how to trip the 'anti-ddos rate-limit' trap
mircea_popescu: and im not even sure that i can do anything about it other than write angry letters.
mircea_popescu: decimation the best i can come up with is that yes, some weakly router that is nevertheless for insane unexplainable reason priority route from the us is constantly fucked up
decimation: the server is up, it looks to me that there is at least one route that is being ddosed/constantly reset
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would i see pages on a crashed server anyway.
joecool: mircea_popescu: nginx or whatever other server you use on it crashed?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck. the server has been up all along, the load is like 0.1 or some shit for the hour.
decimation: well they have a pheonix pop
assbot: decimation yes its hosted there
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is proving impossible to debug, people not seeing it pls to pastebin traceroutes at the time you don't see it.
mircea_popescu: decimation: my router bounces from telia to an isp in pheomix called "cwie llc" <<< this sounds like a route hijack then. qntra is in amsterdam.
Adlai: right, but then you can look at properties of the graph's flow to draw wildly overzealous conclusions about the attentiveness and lazyness of real live humans
mircea_popescu: Adlai: now that's an interesting hypothesis to test: a bot lurks and tracks "shortest path" to each past message, then records when i link it as opposed to somebody else links it to me <<< actually a reconstruction of the ba logs where lines are nodes and they're given pr as per original google mechanism may be the first step towards stemming this whole bundle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that flgiuht path thing is not nearly as indicative as it may seem to the casual observer.
The20YearIRCloud: That first kitchen was the first complete rehab we did on a kitchen, every single thing there is brand new.
The20YearIRCloud: I know I joke about owning slum houses, but they're all actually very nice. I underprice our rentals by maybe 5%-10% under normal market prices, and keep em in slightly better shape.
decimation: was that the amish fellows who cleaned it up?
The20YearIRCloud: It would have been a medium/high level person's house. It's near downtown and is only a few houses away from a speakeasy that was in operation during prohibition. It sold recently (the speakeasy) for around $200k.
The20YearIRCloud: It depends on where you want to do the trailer
decimation: yeah I guess where you are there is no water or sewage
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, they are, but all are in good shape
decimation: I recall you saying a few months ago that they are all really old
The20YearIRCloud: I haven't delt with trailers yet, I want to but it's a different deal since you have to develop them out (including sewage) which is an EPA deal you can't get around easily.
The20YearIRCloud: You seen the houses we own?
decimation: for the quality of hovel you are buying and fixing, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a few empty plots and buy some trailers or 'tiny homes' or whatever
The20YearIRCloud: of course the scale of markets is quite different. In the 4 counties I expect to be able to find maybe 200 quality properties a year. In franklin I could find 200 a month easily.
decimation: I imagine property tax in columbus and the 'burbs is sky high too
The20YearIRCloud: Especially if the yields in both are almost identical
The20YearIRCloud: So, if I can go into a neighborhood where they really don't want me there, and one where the city bends over backwards to try and help me out, i'll go with the second one
The20YearIRCloud: Well, you can drive 45 minutes outside of a columbus where you can buy land, build a smoke factory and the county asks for a $5 paperwork fee and literally nothing else
decimation: this as much as anyone 'owns' a house in the us
The20YearIRCloud: I had a house up there I was dealing with for someone, and I had roofers up there doing work. Zoning came by and complained that we hadn't bought the $100 permit, so they forced the guys off the roof even though it was going to rain soon and wouldn't let them put the tarp up there till there was a permit.
The20YearIRCloud: Downtown was a cesspool, then they kicked everyone out and made it so only rich could live there, alot of those moved to the short north. Then they did the same thing with the short north and all those people moved to Linden and Hilltop.
The20YearIRCloud: He's got a big claim to fame because he's good at 'renovating' poor districts, he does it by moving all the poor people from one neighborhood to another.
The20YearIRCloud: That wouldn't surprise me much, but they also have had coleman who is a ultra-liberal for years and years.
The20YearIRCloud: (Of course, I'd of got a permit in Franklin, but I hate the idea of it all).
The20YearIRCloud: One of the counties we're in has virtually no permiting process for home repairs, if I did the stuff I'm doing there in Columbus I'd of had 5 figures worth of fines.
The20YearIRCloud: Housewise? No, not a fan of their zoning & property inspection board. If we grow enough i'm sure i'll HAVE to go there, but for now i'd like to avoid it.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: do you do any business in franklin county?
The20YearIRCloud: They still have a site, but no one visits it : http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/54540/chicago-to-be-renamed-obama-city/
The20YearIRCloud: We have a few in the US, and they're all celeb rags. We *had* WWN but they went under
decimation: why don't they have tabloids based in say columbus?
The20YearIRCloud: That's a website though i think, the sport is an actual magazine in most places
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decimation: here's the american version http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/14/gruber-has-made-at-least-5-9-million-for-government-work/
assbot: Warning: Don't buff your ballbag on a shoe shine machine. Here's why - in tomorrow's /thesundaysport http://t.co/moIlQF7RUE
decimation: this stuff makes the daily mail look classy
The20YearIRCloud: I love their 'articles', locally we used to have weekly world news, and it went under. However in the UK for some reason tabloids are HUGE there. Along with soap operas
decimation: eh, it could have been. I felt dirty touching the thing, didn't examine it closely
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decimation: yeah I guess that's why people don't immediately toss in the rubbish bid
decimation: once when I emerged from the Tube in London I was handed one of those free tabloids by some bum. I was amazed at the extremely low quality writing, and pro-welfare ads
decimation: was the server down?
cascadian_lurker: I get no love at either endpoint
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that was my point.. just because something could be 'on the net' doesn't mean it should
assbot: would you believe me either way?
asciilifeform: and only when spoken to through the rx/tx wire.
asciilifeform: and not otherwise.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: idea was - optoisolated point to point serial link.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: can't ssh? no pts? << there is no reason why wallet should be routable to the net.
decimation: they are on neighboring subnets
Adlai: more than any bug i've (inadvertently? subliminally coerced into?) introduced to scalpl, i regret the times that i've manually tweaked its trading parameters, and contaminated its performance data with human idiosyncrasies
Adlai: well, it looks like MPCD "failed" (the contract didn't fail, the shares "just" lost value) due to investing in what could be called "rockstar investors", who seem to make a habit of burning out spectacularly, taking half the fanbase with them
thestringpuller: Which effects the entire MPOE economy.
thestringpuller: For the reason MPCD failed, is likely the reason MPIF is struggling to find profit centers.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: our conversation about uav control systems: http://intercepts.defensenews.com/2014/10/why-air-force-drones-rely-on-horsehair-to-land/ << "That’s because the MQ-1/9 are controlled on Ku-Band, which has a two second delay back to the States ... Because of that, launch and recovery experts — trained specifically at Creech AFB for this part of the operation — are based much closer to the area of operations and
Adlai can never quite tell the two apart, sorta like body/blood and bread/wine
Adlai: or, in the king's english: MPOE needs to increase IPOs/¼
decimation: how do these 'northern route' theorists discount the satellite contacts from the engine control systems?
Adlai: *these last 15 months
cazalla: i mean, i see the angle given governments but still
Adlai: http://i.imgur.com/cuVBhfh << ie, "advertising costs, PR, and miscellaneous" outweighed "ipo fees" during these months