PeterL: mircea_popescu: fixed the blog site
assbot: Devious MRSA Spider Bites Yet Another Antecubital Fossa; Remains at Large | GomerBlog
BingoBoingo: Except doctors can count on the MRSA spider always targeting junkies, while Gavin is at the whims of Vessennes burn rate http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/11/mrsa-2/
BingoBoingo: At that income level Gavin's basically in the trap doctors find themsevles when they realize they hate draining abcesses, but their only other prospect is long haul trucking.
mircea_popescu: if there ever was proof positive that crime doesn't pay, gavin's income is it.
mircea_popescu: "Gavin Andresen's salary as the full time lead developer of the entire bitcoin protocol is $209k a year."
assbot: For the amount of money that Theymos is paying for new forum software, we could run a bitcoin commercial during the Super Bowl. : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: lulz at the reddit writeup on Thermos https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mei83/for_the_amount_of_money_that_theymos_is_paying/
BingoBoingo: I don't see much other in the way of explanations unless the literate are embargoing them.
mircea_popescu: dun wanna be too cultumancated, lest anyone can tell the orcs apart from the elves ?
mircea_popescu: now they're going to randomly put is instead of are and so forth ?
mircea_popescu: just like they decided a decade ago to randomly use she instead of the canonical pronoun,
mircea_popescu: or is the us so poor these days that a plurality of shirts is verbally inconceivable ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
assbot: Hey, misogynists: The shirts that scientists wear is just as important as sending spacecrafts to comets
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/Salondotcom/status/533758402934345728 << More with the shirt from people who went from serious talk of prison rape to articles on how fat people get made fun of maor.
cazalla: i'm here, what's up thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: ie. on one end of the "highway" is the seat of county X, on the other end the seat of county Y
mircea_popescu: incidentally, am i the only one that finds it just a little amusing that torproject.org actively promotes the use of pdfs to encapsulate information that otherwise should be in a textfile or simple post ?
BingoBoingo: I'm considering this problem in terms of where the deer are is, is on the side of the "main regional thoroughfare" normally. Because undeveloped colony.
mircea_popescu: no dude, not like that. for all the "knife subctulture" or we it is, people spending more money and time with knives than they're worth...
BingoBoingo: Only so many roads with enought traffic for reliable roadkill. The 5-0 has to take the roads too. The time it takes to drag the deer into a safe tarp and wad it up so the car's interior doesn't look like the scene of a homicide...
mircea_popescu: and why does anyone care what they "require" ?
BingoBoingo: Not for life, but problems. The require for deer the same tag per deer required for hunting them.
BingoBoingo: yeah. Conservation police find the cocaine... fruit of the poisonous tree, though probably still having problems.
BingoBoingo: In terms of the legal implications.
BingoBoingo: Sure. I mean the fresh one's are probably safe, but possessing one without a tag for it... Probably safer to drive around with a trunk full of cocaine.
mircea_popescu: there's some super-paleo people who eat roadkill
BingoBoingo: No shortage of those around here. Can't go for a drive of anylength without spotting venison on the roadside.
mircea_popescu: the "satoshi costume" is just a start, he'll wear a dead deer if it comes to it.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Honestly at this point I just don't see many "Bitcoin Developers" actually being very attached to Bitcoin. The "Gavin wants to quit, but doesn't want to say so" hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: "You'll find the core developers are detached and very different to their users. As a developer of software myself I would find it disheartening if the bulk of my users were jerks like /r/bitcoin."
assbot: The lulz of today : DDoS attacks, ransom notes, Tor anonimity and other faits d’armes of the retarded generation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/
assbot: How leading Tor developers and advocates tried to smear me after I reported their US Government ties | PandoDaily
mircea_popescu: http://ctrlq.org/files/screenshots/6a630eefd44705f3ead4d3e81658fa9b.png <<< apparently they managed to lose some data
mircea_popescu: anyway, they have very right-wing ideas about dispensing justice here.
jurov: and there is something about public indecent conduct
jurov: looks like not really banned only asked a fee for the security
mircea_popescu: i dunno how banned it'd be if the city closed down a major street for it.
jurov: interesting, last year they report over 100 thousand ppl
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the parade consisted of like... i dunno, five people ? six ?
mircea_popescu: they closed off a major street downtown (rivadavia) and put a scene up and everything in front of the cogress building
mircea_popescu: what do they instead claim ? "Bitcoin deanonymization"
mircea_popescu: something fundamentally broken with these people's heads.
mircea_popescu: what the next line actually is ? " Unfortunately, we have very little information about how this was accomplished, but we do have some thoughts which we want to share."
mircea_popescu: what the next line should be ? "we suck, and we're stepping down. sorry we couldn't do what we wanted to."
assbot: Thoughts and Concerns about Operation Onymous | The Tor Blog
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assbot: The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you have trouble with websites use the irc bots.
undata wonders whether gribble or freenode itself is lagging today
mircea_popescu: kids, you know ? tries to engage its mother on its own terms (cries). mother doesn't go for it. kid... INSISTS!!! because totally, if you ignore everything and just repeat your thing... well.. that's happiness innit.
Anduck: i guess i already stated i won't read the logs because there's too much and i've got better ways to find out what i want to find out =)
mircea_popescu: now stfu and go read the logs.
mircea_popescu: the world was not built by ignorant twerps. your ideas about "the world" are about as well formed as your ideas about "wagram". both are meaningless symbols to you. about one, you arbitrarily delude yourself you have something to say.
Anduck: just remember: this is not how the world was built
mircea_popescu: i actually do. i imagine you have nfi idea what wagram is, either, but this gives you no pause, because you're happy without, right ?
Anduck: there's too much of logs.
mircea_popescu: you really need to go read the logs.
Anduck: it's good to see how long bitcoiners see these last years of development
Anduck: mircea_popescu: you know the new monero/bitcoin rpg stuff by rpietila?
mircea_popescu: funny lol. guy from the public went up to bernadotte, after wagram, "o, what did you think of the archduke's order of battle!"
Anduck: they also know it
mircea_popescu: the notion that cattle gets to enact standards of happiness is beyond ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: im sure most of the cattle that i'm going to eat in my lifetime has also lived a pretty happy life,
Anduck: so, are they idiots after all in that sense
Anduck: mircea_popescu: remember, the people who you call 'idiots' may be living a happier life than you
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mircea_popescu: i suppose the one true source of trolling is exactly that. ironically enough, pankake was orignally selling himself as a troll for hire iirc.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: getting tired of the bellicose rhetoric << "why can't we all just get along" ?
mircea_popescu: obviously if that's the only job they can get they AREN'T in their right mind. so why should their unright mind get an option as to what it wants to do ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: did not feel the need to argue the point that no on in their right mind wants to stock shelves at the Canadian superstore at 2am <<< why should they get a choice ?
mircea_popescu: because no, i don't credit for a minute this theory whereby the 20yo male is the be-all end-all hope-and-pride of humanity.
mircea_popescu: in any case : i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. let them put a decade in, build themselve financially to the position where they can participate in a start-up, and intellectually to the position where they actually aren't quite AS fucktarded as the average 20something.
mircea_popescu: they probably sold it, of course, but if they did not, they have a lot more liquid btc than say goat.
mircea_popescu: plenty of people took out 100 btc in one month. back then this was you know, a few hundred bucks, "wage".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: wage labour is wage labour, whether for usd, btc, or gold dubloons <<< this is an iffy proposition.
mircea_popescu: wanting is the sign of intellectual health, just like erections are the sign of reproductive health. if you're lying down with teh nekkid gals and get no pang to trash them around it doesn't mean you reached nirvana, it just means you're not long for this world.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "not needing money" except for coma patients.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: The whole idea that anything can be so "shared" as to have no value in itself is not a problem if the rest of the world ensures that nobody _is_ starving or needing money. <<< this is nonsense anyway. money is always needed, this is a scaling problem. average rat living in a hole in the middle east linking his pretenses to humanity to his possesion of an old cellphone someone lost may think ben_vulpes' l
mircea_popescu: punkman no, because it failed on the test bundle above.
punkman: no slash character theory was silly
mircea_popescu: Anduck therewas also an unrelated issue discovered, regarding first character on a line, so tyvm.
Anduck: punkman: what was the error?
gabriel_laddel: does anyone with experience with either gentoo or funtoo care to share their impression(s) of the projects? I'm interested in which group of devs is more intelligent, sane, etc.
mircea_popescu: "In support of their argument that the Agreement preserves liability only for malicious breaches, defendants argue that the word willful would be unnecessary unless it meant malicious. There is no reason to limit liability to breaches that are intentional, they claim, because any breach of this Agreement would be intentionalheavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not breach merger agreements out
punkman: well some of them at least
mircea_popescu: they [used to] spill out into here with some regularity.
mircea_popescu: punkman you familiar with the problems surrounding bitbet bets resolution ?
punkman: a bunch of conceptual difficulties about how exactly to handle the job descriptions/contractual enforcement << interesting in hearing some of those
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this may also explain the disappearance of moiety and a few other folks. <<< it's not a bad theory in any sense. got any policy proposals based on it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: is there, somewhere, a smoky bar where they down hard drinks and tell anyone who'll listen how 'it was all a sham11!1!' ? << not afaik, tho i'd like to have a hard drink myself. tho i imagine that'd ruin it huh.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, it does provide proper incentive for noobs to read the thing, much to their benefit even if "they don't want to, because they know better", so whatevs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the job board still needs to be made because this system where i drop something in chat and someone either happens to be here or happens to see it in logs is perhaps not optimal.
mircea_popescu: we'll have to think about this some more" and it's the last i heard from him on the topic. or in general, really. that was back in may.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what was his project (mentioned in the comment) ? <<< you perhaps recall i said at conference i want two things made, an advertising service and a jobs board. we had some initial discussions about it, we ran into a bunch of conceptual difficulties about how exactly to handle the job descriptions/contractual enforcement, which turned out a much more complex task than originally imagined, last was "we
mircea_popescu: like, punk was dead, but then punkcore!
mircea_popescu: so basically the 1-10 man dev studio is exactly one guy.
mircea_popescu: jurov you don't understand how the nodes work!
mircea_popescu: unlike the SEC, MP actually is tough on fraud.
mircea_popescu: he does mention the name in his "report"
punkman: but either way
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assbot: Scammer tag : Nefario, theymos, others known and unknown pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate theymos -10 defrauded the tardstalk community by throwing ~half a million dollars worth of BTC at some obscure service provider for kickbacks. a lenghty history of fraudulent behaviour, http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
punkman: ;;rate thermos -5
gribble: You have not yet rated user theymos
mircea_popescu: ;;rated theymos
punkman: on another message he says he's spent $350k on Slickage
mircea_popescu: - Expenses: 1505 (1257 Slickage, the rest mostly mods) << according to theymos, tardstalk has spent half a million dollars to one million this year.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski:"where's the $1.5mn funding for nanotube's WoT" << perhaps you don';t understand what "a protocol for decentralized and password-less authentication" means.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: modesty the likes of which would shock a johnny come lately reader << But within that basic framework there are many subtle variations, only discernable to an acute observer, that reflect the many moods, the many shades, the many sides of MP!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: can anyone remember the title of that trilema article where mircea_popescu discloses how much he sold that 5% chunk of mpex for? << http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-takes-strategic-investor/ ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: when RT invites amir taaaki as bitcoin expert, it's clear what they are up to, but when they pull some "dutch expert" it's suddent sacrosanct truth <<< lol he got you there asciilifeform
nubbins`: Anduck try another deed, would be nice to see if that was a problem with your key or your deed
punkman: should have been there when I bootstrapped pubring
punkman: but why the hell is Anduck's key missing
mircea_popescu: punkman it stops at the commented out one ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: I think problem with that is that it stops at nested END PGP SIGNATURE, instead of the outer one
nubbins`: Anduck i guess try signing any other message and submitting it
nubbins`: oh, i just took his original text, not the block
mircea_popescu: no. the signature block fucks up something
nubbins`: how does the bot get keys
punkman: only explanation is the bot doesn't have your key
nubbins`: ehh that's just what the error says
mircea_popescu: but it objects that the MESSAGE is invalid.
mircea_popescu: and if anyone wonders wtf, i tried to see what happens if i add a newline at the end.
mircea_popescu: Anduck we thank you for your test, ye cursed by the gods :)
nubbins`: and the fingerprint matches anduck's
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mircea_popescu: Anduck no add in the examplke i gave you
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: california is a scam state and hollywood has used its media to convince the world that it doesn't suck there, but it really does <<< this is by design. cute but stupid 17 yo chick from minesota goes to cali to be rich and famous, has to confront the unexpected situation where being homeless there sucks so as to eagerly overcome her education and suck cock.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: so coinbase gets 4 full days to abort my purchase, which they will, if the prices goes up, and they won't if it levels or drops. with btc market volatility they have a sure thing <<< not really, because a) there's not so many people ike you, actually using them and b) the respective 0.2 bitcents or w/e add to about enough to buy me a steak.
mircea_popescu: so wha' happened to notary ? and can the main address: 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny | contact: punkman@freenode get a count of deeds added in the middle ?
mircea_popescu: o there you are.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` THERE ARE NO HUNGRY PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE << lawl.
punkman: there are links bottom of bundle page
mircea_popescu: punkman i forget, how does one download the bundles ?
Anduck: remember the link for copy?
Anduck: well, who holds the database?
Anduck: sounds pretty good as in it doesn't shit the chain
punkbot: Anduck: (deed [url]) -- search [url] for signed deeds and queue them.
punkbot: Anduck: (deed [url]) -- search [url] for signed deeds and queue them.
mircea_popescu: hey there buttboy!
nubbins`: all these starry-eyeds wandering into a lion's den thinking it's the just the coolest thing
asciilifeform: he may be rehashing an argument made, among other places, in my 'microscope hammer' article.
nubbins`: i figured it was a combination of the rose tint coming off his glasses, and getting tired of the bellicose rhetoric
asciilifeform: this is merely the picture seen through my own 'shit-coloured glasses.'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: that was the 'success' i was theorizing about people being disappointed in not having.
nubbins`: in the next half-decade or so, sure
TheNewDeal: did not feel the need to argue the point that no on in their right mind wants to stock shelves at the Canadian superstore at 2am
nubbins`: TheNewDeal ehhhhhhhh yes and no.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: let's say you wanted to close your printery and spend the rest of your days as a taleb-like scholarly man of leisure.
nubbins`: anyway, i guess under these criteria i'd be considered a success, although i'm admittedly raising an eyebrow myself over this
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2014 19:47:07; asciilifeform: getting back to the crapware: most instances you're dealing with a case of 'work 12 hrs. a day to make minim. wage while you sleep.'
asciilifeform: wage labour is wage labour, whether for usd, btc, or gold dubloons
asciilifeform: i'd imagine i'm not the only one who considers 'success' as implying a total exit from 'don't work a day - don't eat a day'
TheNewDeal: if they're making peas
asciilifeform: 'successful' i'd propose, would be in this context, folks who once had to prostitute themselves for fiat who no longer must, on account of something they worked on in collaboration with the people here.
TheNewDeal: but the idea is that it's sustainable
TheNewDeal: and I'm sure there are some that have made a pretty penny
nubbins`: TheNewDeal sure, but if the owner didn't have to buy a store and now drives around in an escalade...
nubbins`: he had what, two AM passthrus, the SMG passthru, maybe three neobee passthrus?
TheNewDeal: I don't really consider the owner rich
nubbins`: doesn't the corner store just buy flats of pepsi from costco?
nubbins`: several of them
TheNewDeal: but he was mostly riding the coattails, no?
TheNewDeal: just curious - I'm capable of formatting my own opinions, just want to see how they measure up to others
TheNewDeal: if Mp wee #1, voorhees was #2, who would you say is number 3 in the success story lineup?
nubbins`: there are success stories in here? o.O
asciilifeform: it is precisely the existence of 'success stories' in #b-a that creates the problem (if you will) of nonzero expectations.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that nobody quit, e.g., a model airplane club, because they realize that it will not make them rich.
asciilifeform: l of this "code sharing" is an economic surplus phenomenon. It works only when none of the people involved in it are in any form of need. As soon as the need arises, a lot of people discover that it has cost them real money to work for the community and they reap very little benefit from it, because they are sharing value-less services and getting value out of something that people take for granted is hard to
asciilifeform: marry, start a family, buy a house, have an accident, get seriously ill for a while, or a number of other very expensive things people actually do all the time, and the value of your work starts to get very real and concrete to you, at which point giving away things to be "nice" to some "community" which turns out not to be "nice" _enough_ in return that you will actually stay alive, is no longer an option. Al
asciilifeform: 'The whole idea that anything can be so "shared" as to have no value in itself is not a problem if the rest of the world ensures that nobody _is_ starving or needing money. For young people who have parents who pay for them or student grants or loans and basically have yet to figure out that it costs a hell of a lot of money to live in a highly advanced society, this is not such a bad idea. Grow up, graduate,
asciilifeform: ^ naggum on the subject
nubbins`: but they can sure as shit eat crow :D
asciilifeform: they, i suspect, reach a point of thinking 'i can't eat hope'
nubbins`: iow, "gentlemen, we shall not be the future elite"?
asciilifeform: not being the shrink for either of these folks, i can't say with certainty, but do have a hypothesis:
nubbins`: i guess there's no gems left to push 8)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform haven't seen thickasthieves in a while either...
asciilifeform: is there, somewhere, a smoky bar where they down hard drinks and tell anyone who'll listen how 'it was all a sham11!1!' ?
asciilifeform: what was his project (mentioned in the comment) ?
assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/#comment-4569 << interesting re: pankkake
asciilifeform: or was that article stolen from 'the onion' ?
ben_vulpes: adios pete_dushenski, see you another day.
ben_vulpes: ('cept maybe the skylon)
ben_vulpes: planes don't escape the gravity well.
ben_vulpes: but the things that one can do with a car don't really hold a candle to those that can be done with large rockets.
pete_dushenski: heya punkman how goes the punkbot ?
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asciilifeform thought ben_vulpes already did something of the kind at day job
ben_vulpes: flip the ponzi a few times
ben_vulpes: 's the only way.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ben_vulpes: pretend there's something smart
ben_vulpes: kinda dodges the question of why would vcs put capital into it.
ben_vulpes: what would he need the money for, pete_dushenski? embedding contracts in the blockchain?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ben_vulpes: note to self: next time compress the blockchain *before* copying.
pete_dushenski: modesty the likes of which would shock a johnny come lately reader
pete_dushenski: "I am by no means convinced it is even correct, but merely the suggestion of it has the sort of breathtaking effect sudden abstraction gives. The reason I’m publishing all this is, of course, that I’m interested to hear what others think. Fill me in below."
pete_dushenski: it's nothing short of incredible to see just how tame mp reads then as opposed to now
pete_dushenski has been reading lots of old trilema articles about the early mpex days
pete_dushenski: can anyone remember the title of that trilema article where mircea_popescu discloses how much he sold that 5% chunk of mpex for?
asciilifeform: ot even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellec
asciilifeform: 'I remember saying once to Arthur Koestler, History stopped in 1936, at which he nodded in immediate understanding. We were both thinking of totalitarianism in general, but more particularly of the Spanish civil war. Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, n
BingoBoingo: Fuck it. The Greys did MH-17
assbot: George Orwell: Looking back on the Spanish War
jurov: i can easily see russians doing it and placing buk in there as diversion
jurov: how are they so certain it's urk fighter?
asciilifeform: the one piece of 'lack of gun' was that a launch is visible and audible for 40km or so around
jurov: ^ photos of it allegedly operating at the site
jurov: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696847/They-shouldnt-f-g-flying-There-war-going-Ukraine-intelligence-officials-release-phone-calls-claim-PROVES-Russia-shot-Flight-MH17.html
asciilifeform did not endorse rt as truth machine. but notes that, so far, usa has not denied authenticity of the smoking gun.
jurov: but when they pull some "dutch expert" it's suddent sacrosanct truth
jurov: when RT invites amir taaaki as bitcoin expert, it's clear what they are up to
asciilifeform: jurov: this is interestingly reminiscent of orwell's piece on the spanish war.