asciilifeform: and the devils who fear.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even manage to pierce the dielectric between their ears that no, im jus saving it for later.
mircea_popescu: most of them didn't realise this attribution doohickey even exists.
asciilifeform: surprising he'd use the name again.
mircea_popescu: cause nothing is so fucking evil as you know, someone digging up on trilema, coming up with meni rosenfeld's name, now the scumwipe can't go around pretending like you know
asciilifeform: how could they not.
mircea_popescu: but this doesn't change the fact that nobody did it, nor does it change the fact that i'm principally hated for that reason, my agents have been principally hated for that reason
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well that's why the quotes. obviously it's an ancient idea, and no invention whatsoever.
asciilifeform: one day we produce a koraktor, wrapped in sc4mz0r pelt cover, 'the art and science of hunting shitgnome'
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:27:45; asciilifeform: there was a three-man system
mircea_popescu: the idea that what you do wil come back to haunt you is very much mpoe[-pr], as far as the bitcoin, and generally the "entrepreneurial" spaces are concerned.
mircea_popescu: it's the one place it hurts.
mircea_popescu: and which is why as BingoBoingo pointed out earlier, when touched there they react. (the tor people in that case)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere <<< pretty miuch this.
asciilifeform: ilkka's book << notice he pulled the 'kindle' version also.
asciilifeform: 'source based distro,' classically, is when nothing (other than bootstrap compiler & kernel, thomson says hello) gets on the box without being built there.
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo? << do you suppose captive whore in thai illegal brothel works 40 hours per week ?
asciilifeform: also a very decent mathematics handler.
asciilifeform: he was a die-hard poker player and loved applying the metaphors to, well, relevant things.
asciilifeform: foseti and a few other guys have warez scans
asciilifeform: i have the dead tree book, it's a 'best of' his blog
asciilifeform: or the like
mircea_popescu: hanbot mail the man would you.
assbot: Review of “The Wingnut Musings” by Ilkka Kokkarinen | Foseti
decimation: foesti has a review http://foseti.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/review-of-the-wingnut-musings-by-ilkka-kokkarinen/
asciilifeform: then came back. then, disappeared again, taking all of his materials with him, this time - for good, apparently.
asciilifeform: he is/was a finnish emigre, working as a comp sci prof in canada. was hounded off the net by 'outraged mass' for moldbuggery.
assbot: The Wingnut Musings: Ilkka Kokkarinen: 9781468166811: Amazon.com: Books
decimation: lol he has a book http://www.amazon.com/The-Wingnut-Musings-Ilkka-Kokkarinen/dp/1468166816
cazalla: i wanted to make snow camo but who has the time
decimation is dreaming of building a colacho-bot which attempts to provide the appropriate aphorism for the conversational mood
decimation: Frustration is the distinctive psychological characteristic of democratic society. Where all may legitimately aspire to the summit, the entire pyramid is an accumulation of frustrated individuals. http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/05/1110.html
asciilifeform: or is this normal for the species
cazalla: the even
cazalla: sometimes to doe mounts the buck
asciilifeform: (folks will bite but not the ones you want)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, this job actually coincides with the fraud i reported on weeks ago to which they never responded, i'm writing it up
undata: I can firmly attest they are not
asciilifeform not expert on the mechanics whereby cow shit does not count as shit
asciilifeform: somehow there was an exception for children doing chores
undata: amazing how you lose sense of the smell
decimation: yeah, in the old west where trees were lacking, cow shit was firewood
asciilifeform: undata: a fellow i work with spent his childhood (india) in cow shit detail. fuel for the local cremation pyre.
asciilifeform: folks who have not boiled in the cauldron cannot fathom the kind of hells that exist. i once worked in a salt mine where scores of people dredged 'reddit', illicitly, all day.
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious what comes of the ben_vulpes - mod6 pairing in this vein.
mircea_popescu: decimation the tora study model eh ?
undata: I think plenty more subconsciously know the same, and are hiding in distractions
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what : teenager is used to seeing girls in his class dressed, imagines he'd ben efit from the removal of the clothes.
undata: decimation: having been convinced that the walls of my country are going to fall in, I've got all the motivation I need
asciilifeform: doesn't mean it needs the stones for anythig
asciilifeform: sparrow in the park may be used to children throwing stones at it
asciilifeform: micromanagement << most folks around here used to it, but i always imagined they would profit from its removal
mircea_popescu: laziness is a virtue of the well provisioned.
mircea_popescu: decimation sure, great. no complaints may then be entertained about needing stuff tho.
decimation: After seeing work exploit and demolish the world, laziness seems like the mother of the virtues. (#2,053)<< http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/10/2053.html
mircea_popescu: even today i have plenty of handcrankled tasks for the aspiring slavegirl. never a shortage of that. what's of shortage is teh ppl to disciplinedly work, erry day, hour after hour.
asciilifeform wasn't there
mircea_popescu: i tried to onlinehire her but for some reason she lacked the drive or w/e.
mircea_popescu: no further than today.
mircea_popescu: im sure the various "give us 1 btc or else !!1" kids were in exactly this position.
asciilifeform unaware of this being a thing for any of the people still here
asciilifeform: plenty of degrees. but, i can't help but notice phase transitions in the space.
mircea_popescu: then maybe one day the kid gets to the point where he even has the freedom to consider wtf he's doing. further degree.
mircea_popescu: some guys work three jobs to try and get the kid in school where he can work in a sv startup. this is a degree of improvement.
mircea_popescu: for some chicks, the fact that how the shot does a cheese dispenser work ?! is a more pressing question.
mircea_popescu: so, degrees. for most chicks, the cheese dispensed by the cheese dispenser is all there is.
asciilifeform: if here 1 -> 2 continued to 2 -> 4 -> 8 -> ... ... maxint - then yes, interesting
mircea_popescu: put it another way : if i didn't think the .1 is the smaller half, i wouldn't be giving it out in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the fountain's still going.
asciilifeform: on account of having exhausted the fountain ?
mircea_popescu: one explanation, that persuades me, it's because they dun have the time to. because they gotta work.
mircea_popescu: they didn't stick around. why this ?
asciilifeform: cazalla wallowing with the eagles, lol
cazalla: this fkn conference i'm streaming.. "cold storage is out dated, it's about multisig now".. where do you see bitcoin in 20 years time? "something like email where you can instantly send value over the internet"
asciilifeform: let's have the cold equations
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << well, i know you self-motivate by refusing to see some degrees, but there are some degrees.
mircea_popescu: this would seem to sane minds the only way to close, but then it "took too long", so...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: decimation: but at one point exhausted ram, but blockchain remained wedged upon restart <<< speaking of this, there's an option to close with detached bdb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even if the work of a policeman consisted solely in going to a doughnut shop and eating a kg of garbage every day, so long as he -must- -- that is still work.
mircea_popescu: "o, then you have every right to hate it" lmao
undata: asciilifeform: ah! then you have every right to hate it.
asciilifeform: otherwise any reasonably-civilized os will do
asciilifeform: well, you only need bios support to access the bios menu this way
asciilifeform: as in, the one normal people see on boot
mircea_popescu: next you know they ARE on windows.
mircea_popescu: problem is, yoyu get them on ubuntu, next you know they think it's windows and update
mircea_popescu: i guess ubuntu 10.04 could be the alternative.
mircea_popescu: ie, 1% of the 8bn
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose the "so ssh then" only works for people who youi knw, actually own multiple computers
decimation: the pile of chairs gets mighty fragile
decimation: but for that reason most contractors are reluctant to 'donate' their hardware in such a way
decimation: asciilifeform: I think it depends if there was anything 'secret' on the drive - in that case it probably must be destroyed
decimation: related: " The revolutionary does not discover the “authentic spirit of the revolution” except before the revolutionary tribunal that condemns him." http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/08/1665.html
decimation: I know that there are many scavengers who survive on reselling usg surplus
asciilifeform: a number of them.
decimation: do you have a favorite 'junk dealer' in the dc area?
decimation: imagine the mind of the 'interviewee': surely usg wouldn't spend bezzlars on those fine knobs if this wasn't serious business
decimation: you should have bought it for the rotary switches
decimation: yeah that's all 'mil-spec' hardware, with the 'round' connectors
asciilifeform: for any other purpose, quite useless.
asciilifeform: and nobody wants the crud - computerized eeg is pocket-sized
asciilifeform: apparently they are common as dirt
decimation: apparently usg agents are zealously evangelizing their 'secret' polygraph faith around the world
decimation: asciilifeform: there was another interesting story on that site: https://antipolygraph.org/blog/2014/10/15/federal-polygraph-school-gave-countermeasure-information-to-polygraph-company/
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 17:35:40; asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'
asciilifeform: decimation: aha but the 'scientific' flavour.
decimation: asciilifeform: it would be more honest if usg made its agents walk on coals and swear secret loyalty to the civil service - it would be much more honest and straighforward
decimation: so an actual usg spycatcher actually caught found that the polygraph actually hindered his investigation
decimation: "WHEN I WAS ACTIVELY DISCOURAGING HER FROM TAKING ANOTHER EXAMPLE QUOTE FRANKLY I WAS AFRAID THAT SHE WOULD PASS IT AGAIN. THAT WOULD NOT HELP ME OUT OF IT. "
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He was the sportsman in the 1990's shot his finger off a few weeks ago. Reattached. "Modern Medicine" has problems.
decimation: so basically they are going to try to convict this guy for training people pretending to be people who take usg's pseudoscience seriously
decimation: apparently the detail there is that all of the 'evidence' was collected by undercover cops
asciilifeform: or was this something to do with the sportsmen
assbot: My finger should have been amputated from the beginning. It was very loose with no bone to connect it.it was also smelling really bad.
decimation: a portion of them are doing exactly that every year
asciilifeform: the capital controls being slowly worked in, are mainly to guard against this.
asciilifeform: decimation: however, there is perhaps a million people in usa who, if they were to suffer some form of 'brain parasite', could easily jump the border and live this way on the capital they could smuggle out.
decimation: certainly the inflationary currency, the confiscatory taxation, and the expense of home and bread combine to make this lifestyle nearly impossible in the us
BingoBoingo: And in the course of writing that Mizzou leads Texas Ass&Mouth 34-20 now because they scored another touchdown.
decimation: at any rate, I get you point, but you realize that the number of folks who are 'free' by your definition are probably less than a few thousand in the us
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So there's a media narrative when team A is having a horrible year that supposed they were good enough to win if only the competition wasn't so strong. But the narrative for Team B is that they are so miserable and wouldn't be winning if only their competition wasn't so weak. And then teams A and B finally meet and in the game B actually maintains a position of superiority.
asciilifeform: if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere
decimation: well, the bigger point - do we really think his 'foundation' is going to last that long anyway?
asciilifeform: decimation: that was not the point
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity << So the most superficial similarity is the media narrative. A&M is perenial legit title contender while MIZ accidentallied the SEC east championship last year and accidentally is in the lead to win it again this year.
BingoBoingo: Eh, you get used to it. After about the 5th time when you get rather sure you aren't dying it's not hard to just go back the fuck to sleep by waiting it out.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not "painful" as in pain pain. More like having a strong electrical current between your temple and ear while your legs cramp in a way that might need ice in the morning. More discomfort than pain proper.
BingoBoingo: The cost of waking up occasionally with a bout of exploding head is an acceptable cost.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I consider it the privledge of being neurologically deviant
asciilifeform: unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity
BingoBoingo suspects there are more similarities between http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400548341 and Bitcoin than many might suspect.
BingoBoingo: It was on the Ti-89 I had and the computer I acquired in the same window of time. My affinity is probably mostly through familiarity
asciilifeform is not particularly in love with the 68k
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: While 8 could be forced onto Pre-RISC macs, the result is, and I emphasize IS, never pretty.
decimation: one wonders what would have happened if apple actually went down the lisp machine route
asciilifeform: (9 was to have memory protection, but the brass over-ruled it)
decimation: and take down the whole machine
decimation: BingoBoingo: my experience with macs pre OSX were all macos 8 and 9 - and they both sucked ass
asciilifeform: in most ways - better. because less retardation in the payloads.
decimation: I recall using netscape 1.0 and the user experience was pretty much the same as firefox 30
BingoBoingo: This is reminiscent of how Mac OS 9 is less viable on the Internet than OS 7.5.1
decimation: the question is - what have we 'bought' for all this bloatware?
BingoBoingo: They distribute moisture too evenly over the surface so that it manages to still contact the tabletop
asciilifeform: my point earlier was that code bloat is ubiquitous and pestilential and finally made the old hardware unusable with software of even moderately distant (starting '05 or so) vintage.
decimation: it was connected to a radio modem and managed to pass tcp to other ham radio operators
decimation: later they switched to cds
asciilifeform: although they were shoddy
asciilifeform: i liked the aol floppy disks.
devthedev: I wasn't even alive during the days of CompuServe
decimation: yeah there were free forums as I recal
asciilifeform: never even saw them alive.
asciilifeform: not 'aol' either
decimation: asciilifeform: did you have 'compuserve' back in the day?
asciilifeform: a recent openbsd (what i eventually settled on for that machine) consumes virtually the whole 64m.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
decimation: yeah. I was able to get plenty to run back in in the mid 90's
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, the KDE problem is they went from desktop environment to software development club in the bad way
decimation: but instead of being the 'adult' alternative to gnome, kde surrendered to idiocy
undata: with a relatively modern machine the compile time isn't so bad
decimation: I remember running with KDE 10 years ago and dreading the 24 hour compiles
decimation: running gentoo certainly gives you a motvation to scale down the lines of code in your system
decimation: asciilifeform: you mean the move from x11 to xorg?
asciilifeform: undata: i still haven't forgiven the xorg thing
undata: I can attest to gentoo granting you the right to blow your hand off at every step
decimation: http://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Linux_FAQ << "Part of the distinctiveness of Funtoo Linux is its dependency-based OpenRC init system, so changing this would make it something other than Funtoo Linux. So we do not support systemd as part of Funtoo Linux. "
BingoBoingo: Ah, funtoo, the bring your own kernel adventure
undata: maybe not for everyone for the same reason
undata: ah, that I agree with, but that's part of the beauty
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to some extend it exactly mirrors the bitcoind situation - in that every serious user more or less has his own private fork.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gentoo << complicated. the lead dev surrendered to microshit (literally) some years ago, and it's been run by a skeleton crew ever since, with numerous high-profile catastrophes (of the 'your machine is suddenly rendered unusable by a perfectly innocent-looking action' variety) -- but there is -no- adequate replacement to this day.
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BingoBoingo: undata: Well, I tend towards generics. Recently though ETOH has been the anticonvulsant of choice.
undata: hard to trust diagnoses with a pfizer clock on the wall
decimation: yeah. actually the first one that came to my mind was Don Colacho
undata: BingoBoingo: yeah, if things like diet and exercise don't help, there are always actual neurological issues to consider
asciilifeform: decimation: because he is familiar to the folks here
asciilifeform: decimation: the example i usually offer is n. taleb
undata: a second doctor bothered with blood work and I was merely low on a few vitamins
BingoBoingo: I got my school bezzel so probably actually netted more value in the end.
undata: BingoBoingo: not an insult; I've heard horror stories of kids tripping, getting hauled into the psych ward
undata: BingoBoingo: do the wrong drugs as a kid?
BingoBoingo: decimation: I don't remember that one specifically, but... pretty sure bring a folder of medical records is a part of what did in my chances for interesting stuff. Amazing what a trip to the wrong part of the hospital can do for your prospects
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decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-52_Stratofortress << ' removal of the tail gun in 1991' wow later than I thought
asciilifeform behind the times
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what was the offered place? ball turret gunner?
asciilifeform: when will the academics finally starve.
asciilifeform: arrakis os << yet another 'c' microkernel os. snore. snore...
decimation: also military benefits are incredibly generous considering the level of education of most enlisted
decimation: asciilifeform: me too. if cards are played right, most mil can write their own tickets in contract jobs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they mostly had uni degrees though
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when working as an r&d contractor grunt, i met plenty of folks in uniform happily 'flying the mahogany bomber'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << I believe for the rest #b-a is Frankenstein's attic laboratory
decimation: right, and in a related point - if $209k per year makes one a pauper, how much is the real bitcoin foundation going to pay?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how did you resist the army?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied
decimation: I had a lawyer friend who used to be a prosecutor near asciilifeform. He was told not to frequent the local fast food joints because of the poulation of ex-convicts
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but simply happens to be when my box exhausted ram from leakage and began to fandango on the db.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suspect that there is nothing magic about that block
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm inching up on 252450, will post more as i gin them up
asciilifeform: if you watch the right televised strange, one could believe that one possible option for space flight is to light one's farts.
decimation: if you watch 'the wire' one would believe that a possible option would be to sit in your car on the highway and get drunk
asciilifeform: decimation: but they have to work.
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe you can get a job at the 'bitcoin foundation' for $209k
ben_vulpes: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wedged-blockchains/237902.tar.gz.00 , https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wedged-blockchains/237902.tar.gz.01 for those looking to wedge a blockchain of their own
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the discussion was not about 'enough money', but about the distinct and clearly identifiable phase transition where your time becomes 100% your own
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's not a bad theory in any sense. got any policy proposals based on it ? << beyond 'open a physical empire where we can all defect to and die like men in the janissary corps' - no useful idea.
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, they feed, clothe, and work you at the poor house. Also curfews and such.
decimation: if gavin is a pauper than I'm in the poor house
mircea_popescu: there was also a ruby one but i dont recall right off what.
undata: that thing's pretty good, used in another channel
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : another thing systemv does badly : it tries to restart stuff based on pidfiles.
mircea_popescu: then look in stderr see what codes pop up
mircea_popescu: but do you know how it dies ? anything in the logs ?
PeterL: I have been working on adding threading to monitor the connection
PeterL: well, it was not set up to reconnect if it lost the connection