ben_vulpes: it seems like the rectangular knobs are used for discrete settings and the round ones for continuous settings?
assbot: lathe - Imgur
nubbins`: asciilifeform what, making body jewelry for the kids isn't lucrative enough?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes they're shaped like nintendo wii, what do you think
ben_vulpes: to me they scream "i can't make stuff"
nubbins`: it was sound amplification that introduced me to the joy of a well-made knob
BingoBoingo: gernika: Updated it to use the first name.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they were superbly made.
kakobrekla: to get in the bash ez
xanthyos: i don't use keybase but my key was generated there
kakobrekla: someone actually uses 'keybase' ?!?! < no surprise there
gribble: (echangekey <keyid>) -- Changes your GPG registered key to <keyid>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. You must be authenticated in order to use this (1 more message)
Apocalyptic: xanthyos, there's a ,,echangekey gribble command to change the associated key to your WoT account
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: didn't you hear? keybase.io is the future of GPG
undata: not bad terms for a loan between friends, otherwise...
xanthyos: ben_vulpes: i just googled "endeedify" adn the only 2 results were from assets log. i plan no endeedification for a .001 poker tournament
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 02-11-2014 21:05:38; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: heh <<< i like the guy's specifications skills tho.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, ssd's are a good example. and note that nearly all manufacturers neglect to make clear how they are driving their flash and what kind fo flash it is
jurov: you're supposed to throw everything out after x months, didn't you get the memo?
asciilifeform: just about everyone (except the usual suspects) can 'agree to have' the folks cranking out debased fiat currencies, but they are not the only (and possibly not even the most interesting) 'counterfeiters'
asciilifeform: well, the real boojum (as described, for example, by mircea_popescu) is that the optimization folks did not put the task as 'build $widget using less steel, rubber, hours of slave' but 'build $widget more bezzleprofitably' which usually leads to 'build $widget-prime and try to pass off to chumpers as genuine $widget'
decimation: in fact, there's a parallel between the 'cisc' vs. 'risc' efficiency argument you make (efficient at what?) and the demingites (we make your people more efficient - details unimportant!)
decimation: his theory (which is somewhat convoluted) is that us business was ruined in the post-wwII boom because traditional management (in the line-and-staff model) were being replaced by 'staff' instead of competent 'line'
asciilifeform: have not read this, but it appears to 'drink the koolaid'
decimation: this book goes into some detail on the history of the supposed 'efficiency experts' like deming http://books.google.com/books?id=t1IOQWG3hckC
decimation: "NSA as an institution, however has become a TQM believer, born again in the gospel of Deming"
decimation: asciilifeform: much more lulzy in that cryptolog is the section on 'TQM'
asciilifeform: (especially entertaining in light of the 'strings' bug)
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user joecool to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 66 via 38 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011
ben_vulpes: rather.
mircea_popescu: manamex: got worned by bitbethelp everyone on this channel gets dosed << lol we're speshul.
asciilifeform: i think that actually hangs in the hall where he works.
asciilifeform: well, they also tend to use their barbershops as homes. in the sense that many academics keep personal blog-type material on the same site.
mircea_popescu: so in short : people who make their living cutting beards are not likely to be seen cutting beards outside of the place where this pays.
asciilifeform: no, on their official university www, typically
asciilifeform: but among generic u.s. mathemasturbators, unaffiliated with nsa et al, it is quite common to post 'preprints' on www.
asciilifeform: cannot speak for the smaller tank
asciilifeform: (similar in some interesting ways, but kept in separate tanks at the zoo)
asciilifeform: rather different animals
mircea_popescu: out of the 100k or so academics trudging for us-academia-wot, how many are likely to publish their research like i do, on trilema, just like that ?
asciilifeform: the author is likely an 'outer circle' man.
asciilifeform: about on par with a receipt for pizza at the office.
asciilifeform: 'confidential' is the lowest level of classification in usg.
asciilifeform: (an internal report marked 'confidential' should be regarded as a public document for the purpose of this statement.)
asciilifeform: as in, actual (former) friends who took up the cloak of the beast, and their patterns of speech actually changed.
asciilifeform: vs. the chumpers
asciilifeform: it isn't even 'cold psychopath' or the like. it is the basic tone of voice of the 'mean gurlz' who are, between sentences, cackling at the 'goodies' their gurlz club is privy to
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user thomas_d: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=thomas_d | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thomas_d | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: this is how the fucking problem with "releases" go.
asciilifeform: and it sounds very much like certain other persons
asciilifeform: reading the ancient 'cryptolog', i can almost hear a tone of voice
mircea_popescu: the reason the remnant is so insistent on "real world" vs "trolls" perhaps follows a simple calculation
asciilifeform: how many of the 'tardstalk' folks have seen gavin alive
asciilifeform: and how many of these chumps are chumped in a lecture hall, and not with paper?
mircea_popescu: but we are discussing the nerdcore.
asciilifeform: if question specifically concerns 'animal magnetism' - difficult to answer. most of the chumpatronic work involved, i doubt would win from this stratagem. i, for instance, have never (to my knowledge) been within musket distance of a live cryptographer (of whatever variety)
asciilifeform: i'd have picked him based on his 'street cred' from his service in the '90s crypto wars
mircea_popescu: gotta stick to the strat yo.
mircea_popescu: ~ on the basis of sheer animal magnetism ~
xanthyos: a person printing machine like from kafka's "in the penal colony"
asciilifeform: not being one of the designated chumps in question, i'd ask for a subverted greybeard. but i am not a doctor of chumpatronics, and may be naive here.
mircea_popescu: supposing you have a person printing machine, can make them up to spec.
asciilifeform: depends on the designated chumps, no?
mircea_popescu: here's a q for you asciilifeform : if i were the big bad and you were my officer in charge of fucking nerdcore up, and the strategy was, "inject a person whom on the basis of sheer animal magnetism can be used to steer things ways",
mircea_popescu: "Don Beaver (Penn State), in another era, would have been a spellbinding charismatic preacher; young, dashing (he still wears a pony-tail), self-confident and glib, he has captured from Silvio Micali the leadership of the philosophic wing of the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community."
thomas_d: can't see anything in the topic
assbot: The Risks Digest Volume 12: Issue 63
asciilifeform: chetty: i've found the letter in question: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/12.63.html#subj1
xanthyos: bagels7 had the same error i think
xanthyos: thomas_d: do it in PM so it doesn't congest the chat
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: the paper in question is not only of 20 yrs. vintage, but officially released (not in any sense leaked)
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
assbot: Shtetl-Optimized » Blog Archive » What does the NSA think of academic cryptographers? Recently-declassified document provides clues
assbot: Actual Bitcoin corporations (ABCs) versus fiat-based frauds trying to masquerade as Bitcoin companies (while masquerading as companies in the first place) on the solid theory that the general public is too stupid to make any difference, this one included, and on the flimsy theory that the general public matters in Bitcoin (FBF-TTMABC-WMACITFP-OTSTTTGPITSTMAD-TOI-AOTFTTTGPMIBs, alphabets for short). pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/actual-bitcoin-corporations-abcs-versus-fiat-based-frauds-trying-to-masquerade-as-bitcoin-companies-while-masquerading-as-companies-in-the-first-place-on-the-solid-theory-that-the-general-public-i/
assbot: Loper OS » Kalman Reti, the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the film linked in an old post of mine: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=932
asciilifeform: it is by no means a complete picture, but gives the general idea.
asciilifeform: but even a gift of a solid gold toilet is no guarantee that the recipient of said gift won't prefer the kitchen sink.
asciilifeform: once you remove the overwhelming incentive to do stupid things, you generally see less of them.
asciilifeform: jurov: it is always possible to crap in the kitchen. but folks who own a toilet, typically do not.
jurov: okay i did not mean lisp as such, but the architecture as a whole
asciilifeform: (for some odd reason, folks ignore the fact that 'symbolics' os happily ran fortran, pascal, ada, and yes, even c - code - on same box, and the proggys could share data structures)
asciilifeform: it wasn't the lisp actually
asciilifeform: on account of there being precisely one routine, used by everything on the box, which is responsible for character rendering; another for the input handling; etc
asciilifeform: i cannot say for certain what these things would 'weigh' on such a machine, but can definitely bet that they would weigh considerably less (in terms of code complexity or sheer physical space) than on modern arch.
asciilifeform: they were handily met by, e.g., symbolics lisp machine. mine has 4M of ram installed, which was considered large.
asciilifeform: well, if you are thinking of the ones you just stated, as opposed to everything listed in pike's talk,
jurov: if these requirememnts can be solved without heaping code
asciilifeform: there is a kind of 'bezzle' or, more precisely, 'dekulakization' dynamic involved, where cpu designers are really labouring to extend the life of idiot software ecosystem
asciilifeform: so, as described in my 'going nowhere' article, the modern winblows pc is in fact less efficient for virtually any practical purpose than its predecessors two decades earlier, despite a titanic amount of effort poured into the cpu micro-optimizations
asciilifeform: one of the things i often, usually to no avail, try to explain to people, is that there is no such thing as 'efficiency.' there is only efficiency -at- something.
asciilifeform: for folks who are mystified by this thread, a 'risc' (reduced instruction set) cpu is typically one where 'instruction set fits in the back cover of your textbook.'
asciilifeform: it also happens to be the worst known such architecture by virtually any conceivable measure.
asciilifeform: the only living representative of the cisc school of thought is the x86, which survives purely from symbiosis with microshit
asciilifeform: move to 'risc' was driven mainly by desire for auto-optimization (pipelining, out-of-order instruction sequencing) in the pursuit of 'fast' (see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 )
asciilifeform: x86 is a cisc (interestingly, the internals of modern x86 compatibles are pure risc, with emulation layer for the ancient crud baked on)
kakobrekla: what, does 'cisc' sticker on the box make it sell faster?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: but if you're thinking about the ancient 'risc vs cisc' debate, it isn't really any kind of contest today, as there is no architecture of past 20 yrs. or so design that could really be classified as a 'cisc'
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: my dislike of 'arm' has very little to do with the architecture.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 18:38:56; mircea_popescu: except it should be explicitly exclusive rather than inclusive. "We will NOT work with unqualified third parties, which is to say parties that have not satisfied their log reading and wot presence prequalifications."
ben_vulpes: if as you suspect it has to do with the cooccurrence of running out of memory and writing to bdb, i'll have to let it run for a while
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 30-10-2014 17:09:54; asciilifeform: in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450.
asciilifeform: undercover agents << 'the man who was thursday.'
BingoBoingo: Eh, kind of just like weather anymore.
manamex: let's be it, why would anyone would want to do it, what is the point?
manamex: got worned by bitbethelp everyone on this channel gets dosed
jurov: bitbethelp promised to drain my aws budget.. cleaarly these ddosing redditards did not do the math
decimation: those 'blasze.tk' links he put in the logs are ip loggers, probably trying to find more targets
jurov: bitbethelp accused me of inadequate politeness cuz i did not respond timely to pm and in one breath promised coinbr is next after qntra
BingoBoingo: I have to assume that's most of what they do now.
Anduck: !up bitbethelp
mircea_popescu: bitbethelp> cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed. << what is this fucktardry, srsly.
cazalla: see what you made me do bitbethelp, you made me drink all this beer
cazalla: then even
cazalla: you're not a threat, you're are like the buzzing of flies
cazalla: bitbethelp, having a beer, cunt!
punkman: guess the lulz are payment enough
thestringpuller: the only way to get paid in this channel is to do work :P
cazalla: bitbethelp, well, you're 0 for what must be 1000+ attempts to get paid at this point
bitbethelp: cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed.
cazalla: bitbethelp, you misrepresented yourself to me
BingoBoingo: !up bitbethelp
gribble: thedrinkingrecord.com is down
BingoBoingo: ;;isup thedrinkingrecord.com
BingoBoingo: !down bitbethelp
assbot: BitBet - Republicans win majority of the U.S. Senate :: 1.3 B (58%) on Yes, 0.93 B (42%) on No | closed 1 week 6 days ago
cazalla: !up bitbethelp
cazalla: you know what kicked off us leaving? doom and rise of the triad
cazalla: rare here as well, when i was around, my parents each lost a brother within 6 months so that opened the door for the jws to get their hooks in with the paradise earth bullshit
punkman: pretty rare around here, but I've seen the odd flyer
punkman: cazalla: did you ever do the door-to-door thing?
BingoBoingo: Well, their choices are what? Vegas or Branson?
BingoBoingo: Vegas, where entertainers never really die... until they... actually die
fluffypony: also the production quality on La Rêve was insane
fluffypony: flying to LA tomorrow, sleep over one night, then back to SA on Monday via Dubai
fluffypony: still in the USA
assbot: This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: night until the twenty-second century dawns. And yet such an absurdity practically defined the twentieth century.
mircea_popescu: if you take the 94 million kulaks, capitalists, dissidents and other groups of people that socialists murdered in the twentieth century, and punch the numbers into a calculator, the average number of victims per hour equals almost exactly the one-hour kill count of Anders Breivik. Just imagine how absurd it would be if, instead of being captured and neutralized, Anders were simply allowed to keep killing people day and
mircea_popescu: i remember the times i could say an article in five pages
mircea_popescu is apparently of the opposing school.
mircea_popescu: "The only thing women clearly do better without men is raise the next generation of criminals."
ben_vulpes: mod6 is perusing the tens of thousands of lines of excised code
ben_vulpes: in any event i've gotten the thing to 240000
asciilifeform: so that 'kill -9'-style death is always the correct behaviour.
mircea_popescu: to compete with the current, "free" ?
asciilifeform: this is the book, which was a 'best of' (in his view) of his last site, 'fourth checkraise.'
mircea_popescu: ences may have incompatible log files. The -detachdb option moves any pending changes from the log files to the blkindex.dat file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the wallet.dat file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes : "Explanation of -detachdb (and the new stop true RPC command): The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both .dat and log files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the .dat files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the log files are not even minor version differ
mircea_popescu: pls to let me know furiously if more further problems later on.
ben_vulpes: is there an en.bitcoin.it mirror anywhere?
asciilifeform: and other aspiring 'mad maxes'
asciilifeform has the book, it is lovely
asciilifeform: see also http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/09/survival-of-nicest.html (solely for the quote from seagrave's 'castaways')
mircea_popescu: and the folk that muck a hand the moment it can't win don't tend to end up in the bottom half of the poker tourney either.
asciilifeform: the folks blessed with the talent of 'not care' on-demand - probably tended to not end up behind the wire in the first place.
asciilifeform was not in treblinka, knows only what the contemporaries saw fit to write down
mircea_popescu: caring has its place. that place is not "everywhere all the time"
asciilifeform: the way historians seem to present it, it was less 'listening' and more 'no hostages'
mircea_popescu: in some circumstances, listening to the women is a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: whether young or old ? slutty or annyoing ? big tits or small ? pert or loose ?
asciilifeform: nein. only that they were already dead.
mircea_popescu: so now... tell me. did it matter how fucking pretty the women were ?
asciilifeform: iirc, the magic ingredient - no women
mircea_popescu: nothing easier in the world than "fuck you and get lost."
mircea_popescu: fuck that. the freedom you like is built on a certain kind of disinterest in effects.
mircea_popescu: let the fucking feds cut off financing.
asciilifeform: 'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << example from herr orlov. ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/09/911-after-13-years.html )
mircea_popescu: decimation for the record, as one coming from an actually multicultural world, i am both offended at the misuse of the term and would pray you don't discard an actually superior mode of human life
decimation: tenure exists if you are willing to push the multicult
nacci: just another bloke
mircea_popescu: like... does the geography department accept grammar ?
mircea_popescu: wait. how does a computing dept accept or not accept views in other fields ?
mircea_popescu: "After being alerted by The Ryersonian, computer science chair, Alireza Sadeghian said the department neither accepts nor condones Kokkarinens views."
mircea_popescu: The brilliant Finnish-Canadian computer science professor / blogger Ilkka Kokkarinen has taken down his popular blog, presumably to keep his job after his campus newspaper noticed his heterodox views. His skepticism about the intellectual consistency of lesbian-feminist theory and practice would appear to have been his biggest crime.
decimation: from the senior usg Standartenführer's point of view, the polygraph is an ideal device to filter the workforce into compliant sheep and stone cold thugs
asciilifeform: there is a mostly full one. somewhere.
decimation: from the senior usg 'stendartendfurher's
asciilifeform: decimation: there are folks who do it for a hobby.
decimation: there is probably some amusement to be had in experimenting with such things
asciilifeform: fiddybucks buys you all the components, in a manageable pocket size.
asciilifeform: incidentally, you don't need the jailed quack to 'study lie detector'
joecool: mircea_popescu: i'm just surprised nobody else wrote about it, i doubt they get huge volume searching for things, but still, nothing mentioned about it
decimation: as asciilifeform mentioned in the past the operative effect is to filter for 'cold' psychopaths
asciilifeform: about the same thing that hot coals ordeal has to do with 'truth.'
decimation: but the problem is this has nothing to do with truthsaying
decimation: to be fair, there is some science in the sense that it detects parasympathetic activation
asciilifeform: the 'polygraph', as the name implies, combines several instruments (eeg, ekg, conductometer)
joecool: asciilifeform: heh yeah i ran some other searches I knew worked before (like linus's first linux announcement on comp.os.minix), it's gone
decimation: mircea_popescu: maybe if they are short polygraphers usg asks some local scientologists to sub in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this is a standard usg 'lie detector.' << the funny thing is, i dunno if the scientologists copied the ohmmeter after the usg "lie detector", or vice-versa, the fbi is tring to find yout tethans
asciilifeform: (discussion thereof)
asciilifeform: re: ilkka: >> http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/09/16-volts-silenced-by-his-university.html << the demise of his first site
decimation: I note that our volunteer testers seem to have left whatever routing tables they were messing with alone
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and the destroyers - will pay. one day. << aite!
decimation: re: gavin's 40 hr week << I was merely pointing out that if ascii's formula is (freedom hrs)/(work hrs), then gavin might have a good score
asciilifeform: and the destroyers - will pay. one day.
asciilifeform: they will come out.
asciilifeform: going right back to 'attribution' point - these libraries - did not burn.
asciilifeform: easily worth ten thousand of today's internets put together.
mircea_popescu: civilisations are judged by what remains, not by what they once were.
mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't care anymore about this primitive tribe than about any other primitive tribe that was swallowed b y history.
joecool: are you talking about the dejanews archive?
asciilifeform: ('early usenet archive' is separate gizmo there)
undata: mircea_popescu: I can't pull up trilema here either
mircea_popescu: "if you don't wash your hands you get dysentery" "really ? .... hmm.... maybe, but i tihnk it's the will of god... i have my amulets with me..."
mircea_popescu: and they're like, you know, a buncha barbarians confronting microorganisms.
asciilifeform: is it really possible that i'm the only one who noticed ?
asciilifeform: but anyone who thought that a 'library of alexandria' was safe in the hands of the likes of 'google' - was a fool from the start.