asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far usg is keeping these folks intensely interested in clitori butterfly collections and not the least bit in higher mathematics, without apparently breaking a sweat.
mircea_popescu: but the arabs already proved themselves. in fact, we even have sciences and arts at all because the arabs kept them while the west was being all "progressive" the last tim around.
undata: hm, just had the thought that maybe this is exactly how people *find* a good leader
mircea_popescu: if this happened in africa you could murder me on this score, which is why we're not here talking about the numerous much larger rebellions all over subsaharan africa past decades.
mircea_popescu: the arabs are provedly not inferior material.
mircea_popescu: it's a new state, AGAINST the current morass.
mircea_popescu: you're begging the question here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iran - 'tried shit.' i would need serious evidence of pig flight before believing that fundamentalist clerical revolutions are anything other than usg 'yi yi zhi yi' methods.
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter.
chetty: you know MP recent article about press in Romania, big problem here is that Romanians knew from experience how bias the press is, Americans haven't figured it out yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: may as well ask 'where's the better chance, mars or venus? and ant civilization or cockroach civilization'
mircea_popescu: and they don't for political reasons.
mircea_popescu: THIS is m y point exactly. whether they do or don't do better atm is immaterial. they WILL do better, necessarily, because they don't share the same lockdowns
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take it another way : where do i have a better chance to sell the experiment being tried ? wash dc, london or baghdad ?
mircea_popescu: the russians being a fine example. i could readily stroke the same public knowledge to elicit a "I'm sure they're backwards as hell".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what if you were told the same about russians ?
undata: asciilifeform: oh shit, I mean to cut through it, I'm sure they're backwards as hell
asciilifeform: undata: forget for a minute the propaganda. think of the starting material. if you were told that 'perhaps the modern greeks are intellectual giants, but u.s. propaganda obscures this' would you believe? or be justifiably skeptical.
undata googles the owners of al arabiya
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: you know, i suddenly realized today when browsing your /. page that you're the reason why i'm here -- i saw your 'Bitcoin Baron' and OpenBSD headline and decided to pop in to see what was up
undata: I've read they banned chemistry
undata: asciilifeform: who knows through the fog of propaganda
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where are the noteworthy intellectual achievements of the new caliphate? e.g., are they throwing out winblows (and not via return to 15th c. tech) ? who is paid to think thoughts in the lands of the new flag, and what kind of thoughts ?
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: i get the distinct impression that tools in volatile memory forensics are still relatively primitive (compared to disk forensics) in lots of ways ... Volatility and friends have developed a better understanding of win internals, but much of what they principally do is still brute force scanning. is this observation accurate? i'm fairly amateur
mircea_popescu: and its improbable it happened seeing how they all happen right under my window.
bagels7: im canadian, and stupid canadian bitches on tv would rather say americans are not stupid than be impolite
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BingoBoingo: Are there even that many?
mircea_popescu: "evil warlord killed 5698048605 tenured professors in the us"
undata: the US is like that creepy, abusive parent that tells you everything is for your own good
mircea_popescu: and then being accused of "anti intellectualianism"
mircea_popescu: like me hanging by their fallopian tubes all us "social sciences" professors
undata: "Look I'm moving you peasants from this city to that because I want my rocket launch site there"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'A revolution without dancing is not a revolution' but - s/dancing/mathematics
cazalla: undata, pretty sure that is what they imply though eh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i get that anti-intellectual 'black hundreds' phenomena are an expected thing. yes, they're inevitable after corrupt 'scientocracies' fuck up the planet. but - it still sucks.
undata: that's what drives me crazy about the US; nobody ever just says what's actual
mircea_popescu: isis is about as interesting as the columbian farc, except not bound by low population and tiny geograpgy.
undata: at least ISIS is explicit about their aims
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik isis is about as interesting as the iranian revolution. and for the same reason.
mircea_popescu: the substantial difference being that greece is a colony today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps as many as there are archimedes among modern greeks ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you heard of the famous al-gorithm
mats_cd03: eh. there's a distinct lack of officers in our ranks.
mircea_popescu: that sort of thing is stopped by people like us, and in its boundless ineptitude, the us has failed to come crawling on its hands and knees begging us.
TomServo: undata: That the hardcore history guy?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's pure mathematics doing in isisland ?
undata: there's a podcaster I enjoy, Dan Carlin
mircea_popescu: it's the place to go.
mircea_popescu: and that was no isolated incident, look how fucking paniced the socialist states are today
mircea_popescu: fuck, the entire lawrence of arabia episode shows the arabs actually can make leaders OUT OF THE SOCIALIST GRUNTS
mircea_popescu: they all succeeded about as splendidly.
mircea_popescu: the "state" has been trying to make sure arabs have no leaders since the days of mandate palestine.
undata: lever gardeners, they
mircea_popescu: you have to understand there are some invariants in every system. you can pick which invariants, when you design it
cazalla: undata, if the nignogs had any sense, they'd all fight the cops instead of each other, but that won't ever happen
mircea_popescu: undata police is unmanageable in the socialist state.
undata: where the fuck is the authority who is supposed to manage these thugs (cops) and put them to some sensible use
mircea_popescu: you know if this helpful ddosing of noobs continues we might even not need the voice thing anymore.
asciilifeform: it was simply against 'knock'im over the head and take pistol' thing.
mircea_popescu: or wait, no, was it "6 years schooling each, together = ged" ?
asciilifeform: in ussr (at one time) policemen were required to walk their beat in pairs. for this reason.
cazalla: undata, it's not that, i just hate hearing about the injustice and all this over shit, they play it over and over in the media here and we don't even have guns or nignogs
mircea_popescu: undata cops sweating is also pretty common in the south.
undata: but this cops killing black kids thing is pretty common in the south
mircea_popescu: cazalla seems to me on somewhat intuitively obvious, this. taking the gun of some armed entity is one of those things where you take your life in your hands. either you know what you're doing or don't complain at the results.
undata: to stop beating around the bush with "nignog"
undata: cazalla: I'm merely pointing out that you enjoy assuming the nigger got what he deserved.
cazalla: best not fail then or we hear from undata how such failure is fault of cop
mircea_popescu: but the deeper moral is : see idiot with gun, take it from him. okay.
mircea_popescu: well, she was either untrained or inept, but in any case a danger to herself an' others. and i knew her boss.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, ok but you clearly walked away unscathed, our nignog in quesation did not
cazalla: undata, aren't you assuming the cop shot him simply because he is black?
mircea_popescu: Sid3waY it's perfectly allowed, just, i dunno that anyone actuallytrusts it to keep money there.
undata: you're just assuming he went for the gun because it fits your predetermined view on the thing
undata: cazalla: the whole "nignog" thing doesn't exactly give you the intellectual high ground here
cazalla: undata, i don't think that at all, i just think it's a bit much to cry over a cop killing a nignog who tried to grab his gun when said nignogs kill each other in greater numbers but no media circus there, no riots either
undata: these redneck cops are just naturally useful
mircea_popescu: Sid3waY generally the standing advice on bitfinex is that you should get off that scam.
mircea_popescu: cazalla so if the young males don't off each other what are you going to do with the losers ? teach them javascript ?
asciilifeform: the 'police brutality' crap is orchestrated by u.s. lizard media. ergo it is simply a prelude to a 'sudden, brilliant, hope, change 11!111!!' 'solution' - a national gendarmerie. think 'dhs' but this time 'for real.'
mircea_popescu: undata the actual population.
cazalla: they off each in greater numbers, why not campaign about that instead
undata: I grew up in TX, where cops shooting unarmed black kids doesn't even make the news.
cazalla: undata: in the words of reddit, if you try to grab a cops gun, you're gonna have a bad time
undata: regarding undersea living, I'd be concerned that a hostile govt would simply destroy the thing
asciilifeform: undata: defeating enemies on earth looks expensive, but is cheaper than space flight and terraforming (the latter, no one has even an elementary clue how to even estimate the cost.)
asciilifeform: notice that nuke does not prevent owner from being killed, but increases the cost. and there are other ways to affect the cost.
undata: asciilifeform: conversely if one thinks with too broad a brush, all possible conditions look the same
thestringpuller: makes the fiction of stealing a nuke and making your own country a lot more rational
chetty: there is only now
undata: thestringpuller: I said that, was accused of derpitude
undata: their heads tend to roll after a certain threshold
chetty: undata, so many cop shootings out there, prolly a video of most anything available somewhere, which in fact makes the point.
asciilifeform: undata: the one that can clobber the others (should there be any) 'with impunity' is called 'sovereign'.
asciilifeform: undata: pick a square metre of planet, and you can come up with one or more parties that 'can kill with impunity' there.
asciilifeform: undata: notice that i did not specify what i personally like (who the hell cares) - but did make a claim re: mechanics.
undata: chetty: the video I saw was a guy yelling at a cop
undata: asciilifeform: so you do not believe there should be law?
chetty: well the info 'leaked' so far sure sounds like self defense. But face it, none of us know what happened really. The kid that got shot cause he answered the door with a game controller in his hand would seem a lot better example, to me.
asciilifeform: the state, by definition, 'kills with impunity'
chetty: the 60s never went away, just took a trip
BingoBoingo: What the verdict is supposedly is coming later today, but...
BingoBoingo: According to the radio the grand Jury finally came to a decision in the Ferguson case. Won't way what it is yet, but a good chunk of St Louis County went into lockdown.
TomServo: Boy, the pheeva hipster mascot does a great job capturing my lack of interest in their product.
assbot: The boys at Pheeva are crowd-funding to get their commercial onto ESPN for the Bitcoin Bowl. I donated. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xNrfzn )
kakobrekla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2msqxh/the_boys_at_pheeva_are_crowdfunding_to_get_their/
jurov: btw asciilifeform can you ask your hosting about the emails? i sent polite inquiry to support@nearlyfreespeech.net
nubbins`: my friend's folks go down there for a few months every year, apparently it's common to use the golf cart to go to the store, etc
nubbins`: <+cazalla> zomg, anyone heard of a mobility golf cart? <<< cazalla iirc these are a thing in florida retirement communities
mircea_popescu: still the #1 threat.
mircea_popescu: "The craigslist account at one of our registrars was compromised" << aka, social engineering.
assbot: More Kiwis leaving Australia than coming for the first time in 21 years | SBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpxZ07 )
cazalla: interesting, new zealanders are like australia's version of mexicans - Fewer New Zealanders are leaving for Australia and more Kiwis are returning home. Statistics that have just been released show New Zealand's annual net migration gain rising to a record for the third consecutive month, led by an increase in student arrivals from India and fewer Kiwis crossing the Tasman.
mircea_popescu: the shit i find digging...
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/razboiul-cu-presa-in-reluare/#comment-76264 << the ddos kiddies of 2012 lmao
cazalla: xanthyos, he's there tonight, just his talk is tmw or some shit, i dunno, i take offense at him being here in my home town :P
cazalla: actually, his talk is tmw, some other idiots shilling altcoins tonight instead but even still..
mircea_popescu: lol they have a special revolutionary web2.0 site for slides ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and then how many tons of aluminum did you refine? or wasted! << lol i was only using about 1mw +-
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of 'let's now screw this bit of plastic into eye' << cause women don't look good in glasses.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could make a deal where you prepaid consumption at fixed rate. so i did << and then how many tons of aluminum did you refine? or wasted!
cazalla: as a kid, no-one picked up that i had a lazy eye, so for many years i didn't even understand why i couldn't see what all these other kids could see with those stereogram books
asciilifeform once had to wear these for work, does not miss it
asciilifeform: wtf is the point of a 120hz display if not for 3d shutter goggles.
cazalla: <asciilifeform> i can see the 7-8th 'virtual' bits of colour DAC resolution flicker. <<< see, i don't even know what this really is, so not a concern for such a person :)
asciilifeform: to my eyes, using these '120hz' lcd is like using a crt at 60hz
asciilifeform: i can see the 7-8th 'virtual' bits of colour DAC resolution flicker.
cazalla: if viewing angle is a concern, i can see how they are utter shit but if not, suitable for gaming/desktop use, i like my 120hz led
cazalla: zomg, anyone heard of a mobility golf cart? gawminers community raised funds to some random.. "Within one month, they had raised over $3000, enabling Doc to purchase a golf cart urgently needed for mobility, enabling him to live alone but independently in Crystal River, FL. He also received enough mining equipment and hashing power to keep a steady stream of income flowing for the rest of his life."
ben_vulpes: i believe that you have a term for this degradation of the industrial toolchain, asciilifeform, but it escapes me at the moment.
ben_vulpes: these days: auto-refractor - you betcha. lead times - in stock. odd prescription in the tail of things? get fucked.
ben_vulpes: lead time was nearly a month back then.
ben_vulpes: it was a glorious time at the intersection of the autorefractor and the custom plastics.
asciilifeform: but only in deep theory
ben_vulpes: (particularly important when the astigmatism severely degrades views through anywhere but the lens center)
asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of 'let's now screw this bit of plastic into eye'
ben_vulpes: so - i use the 1920x1200's in horizontal orientation, slapping 3 buffers sideways.
ben_vulpes: i can't use contacts while programming as my prescription is way out in the tail of the distribution, where the spacing between contact fabrication points squarely frames my actual needs.
asciilifeform: as all the Cr has long ago come off
asciilifeform: i've already had to buff them, will soon need to electroplate
asciilifeform: lol ben_vulpes using the same spectacle frames for a decade, just like me
ben_vulpes: i can't use very tall monitors, as i bought these glasses in high school and they have an extremely narrow field of vision.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm finding 1440 a tight horizontal fit at the moment
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and most of the cheap offerings have subpar view angles vertically
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i'm casually observing lady v browse etsy et al for moar home furnishings (just set her up with the budget for a kilim rug), saw rabbit fur flash across the screen, thought of your habits.
ben_vulpes: moreover is tanning even the thing to do with hairy hides?
cazalla: <ben_vulpes> we are planning to buy the year's rent in a lump sum <<< i tried this once before but got knocked back, i figured because i paid on time every time the owner figure what was the point
ben_vulpes: it's a more expensive space, but nobody's teeth will be chattering in the new space.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i pay quarterly anyway, but as long as its set in the contract whatr diff does it make ?
ben_vulpes: we are planning to buy the year's rent in a lump sum
mircea_popescu: a month after which the prices went down.
mircea_popescu: then prices went the fuck up and threatened to go further up, so they actually paid me to settle it.
mircea_popescu: anecdotally, i totally raped the power company in romania. one year they were desperate for cash, so you could make a deal where you prepaid consumption at fixed rate. so i did, i prepaid for like a year.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: monitors and desks are certainly on the list.
mircea_popescu: as a general principle : the only use of money in an inflationary spiral is to buy stuff.
mircea_popescu: or w/e you figure you'll be there for.
mircea_popescu: so stock up on stuff then. look at your grocery list, see everything on there you actually like and keeps well, buy a year's supply
ben_vulpes: as i said this afternoon "too much money to put to use in our own business, not enough to get into any others".
mircea_popescu: you're not making enough to actually have the problem of not being able to buy stuff.
xanthyos: i prefer the william shatner cover
ben_vulpes: i struggle with the flipside of the debt thing - what to do with the retained earnings? go long the stock market? really? i'm bullish on btc on like a 30 year timeframe so that has to have next to no bearing on the 1-2 year timeframe for handling retained earnings right now. give up the 8% or w/e the market's doing under QE or hold it all in cash because "it can't go on like this forever!11!"
mircea_popescu: parents carry part of the blame.
mircea_popescu: they took out credits in swiss francs because they were 1% cheaper before the swiss franc doubled in value over a summer, so they could pay 80k for a shitty prefab apartment in a shitty bucharest neighbourhood,
ben_vulpes: (the girls of my generation, i mean.)
mircea_popescu: yeah well... it gets better. they mostly owe to banks, have wives and children
ben_vulpes: but they never got paid to begin with. pay cuts tho?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so then.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm familiar with the females of my age group couch surfing, living on gov't grants, waitressing, staying up late chain smoking over the odd "piece".
xanthyos: like the molding of a real doll
xanthyos: i took the gauze off yesterday, it's circumstitched
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of maggie the cat, "you can be young and without money, you just can't be old and without it"
mircea_popescu: and before you're shocked : at least half gawker employees are in exactly the same situation . if the thing didn't happen to be an organ of the socialist press, they'd be in prison like that indian diplomat for "slave labour"
ben_vulpes: how'd they eat?
mircea_popescu: "La ultimul termen din 1 aprilie, Mazăre s-a prezentat la procesul de la Cureta de Apel Bucureşti" << they were trying for the "court of appeals". itcame out, "the appalling curette".
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ben_vulpes: although the acronym puns are probably going to be hard
mats_cd03: they can't afford to offend women, they're the demographic with most disposable income no?
mircea_popescu: they could be Time Africa / Soviet Union / Best Korea just as well.
mircea_popescu: "we want to have a democratic process for as long as the results come out the way we like. we also want science that confirms our preconceived notions".
mircea_popescu: how very feminist, progressive and pseudo-justice anti-social of them
mircea_popescu: and they have a poll about "what" pre-decided words to ban ?
mats_cd03: "TIME apologizes for the execution of this poll; the word ‘feminist’ should not have been included in a list of words to ban. While we meant to invite debate about some ways the word was used this year, that nuance was lost, and we regret that its inclusion has become a distraction from the important debate over equality and justice."
assbot: TIME apologizes for including 'feminist' in poll of words to ban | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpm56k )
mircea_popescu: so romanian presidential elections were 30%-40% first round, then 54% - 45% 2nd round. then they made a poll to see who people voted with, and 66% claim to have voted wioth the winner. that's 12% more than actually did. what fraction of that is people lying, and what fraction is votes stolen ?
mircea_popescu: it's like reading the fucking scinteia over here. "elena ceausescu has visited the highschool #85, gave dispositions"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, because i remembered doing the research for my latest : speaking of the "how about you stop sending niggers" thing - the romanian secret service arrested a few dozen men mid december 1989 who were travelling to timisoara by themselves. no women, no children, "vacation". they had all heard that this was the oldest town in europe with electric illumination.
kakobrekla: they got phwned?
xanthyos: BingoBoingo: Successfully changed key for user xanthyos from B62E7295387001E9 to DF074A8E1242692B. You are now authenticated for user xanthyos with key DF074A8E1242692B
cazalla: to be fair, perhaps site was down from ddos at the time it was written but still, amusing
cazalla: but only the google cache as not to give full credit
jurov: it worked very badly, then i found some wine processes running with malware-y names, killed with fire
ben_vulpes: "the" otc guy?
mircea_popescu: jurov but the shit actually works in wine ?
jurov: yea, i had yahoo messenger. found interesting stuff under .wine then
mircea_popescu: !up theotcguy
wyrdmantis: "Verified Pay for Performance Get paid, automatically; Smart Contracts verify you've performed by verifying proven results eg: SEO rank, automatically releasing the client's payment right away."
mircea_popescu: so what, someone supposedly used yahoo messenger on linux ? via what,s omething like an emulator ? and then the infector survived this mauling ?
mircea_popescu: "The infection vector varies among targets and no reproducible vector had been found at the time of writing. Symantec believes that some targets may be tricked into visiting spoofed versions of well-known websites and the threat may be installed through a Web browser or by exploiting an application. On one computer, log files showed that Regin originated from Yahoo! Instant Messenger through an unconfirmed exploit."
mats_cd03: wish they'd share some binaries, or smth
Pierre_Rochard: the words of encouragement are certainly appreciated
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: alas bitstein and krawisz are (hopefully temporarily) taken up with other ventures. Personally I think the SNI website is unfinished in its current state, but there’s only so much arm twisting I can do with friends
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/in-care-ma-ocup-de-futurologie-in-ce-priveste-trendurile-cu-rezultate-inspaimintatoare-in-primul-rind-pentru-mine/ there.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: jurov: "the nakamoto institute" was working on an archive of the satoshi letters at one point. i don't know if they got anywhere with it. <<< not very far afaik. Pierre_Rochard << why not btw ? put krawsiz to some useful work!
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: "Rejection reason: There's no way for a mod to find a suitable replacement for a random chance." << how do you find a "reasonable substitution" for a bet that goes "x website will publish a number ending in 5"
asciilifeform: i can picture the conversation right now:
mircea_popescu: YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS!
asciilifeform: so that what, i can't send the launch codes?