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nubbins`: still following the guy w/ the vodka
BingoBoingo: Force is the legitimacy
undata: nor that legitimacy is the question
BingoBoingo: Heart attack at the fire station
undata: seems it doesn't matter precisely what "demonstrators" do, so long as they "demonstrate" disorder
decimation: mircea_popescu: actually there is some 'pushback' against it, because of its tardation: http://www.telegram.com/article/20091029/NEWS/910290685/0
undata: they're going to milk the shit out of that burning car picture
mircea_popescu: it melts the brain
decimation: start the napalm?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. " <<< quite.
BingoBoingo: Instead of the story
assbot: St. Louis Sports, News, Jobs, Classifieds, Entertainment & Weather ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPsHQ4 )
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/ >> linked the scribble live login
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah the rediculous helicopters are amusing
decimation: conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
assbot: St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.Ferguson PDRIOT-ARIOT-BRIOT-CRIOT-DRIOT-E... ... ( http://bit.ly/1phiwDC )
asciilifeform: fun on the correct end of the barrel, yes.
asciilifeform: when this becomes 'a thing' and the overall purpose of organization is subverted, long and hard enough - it dies.
mircea_popescu: kinda like that guy in prison that had the guards tattooed and whatnot
mircea_popescu: honestly, the only appeal i see to a life in the military is having a bunch of sex slave commanding officers.
asciilifeform: but perhaps that is like saying that it is not the bullet that is a problem, but the bullet hole.
Vexual: nubs: on the satin black its remenicent of leatherbound
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not the slut part, the nepotism and resulting umbrella over incompetent fucktoy subordinates
BingoBoingo: Also they used the retreat word on the radio
decimation: yeah. In china, there's more of a "the boss can profit if the project works" mentality I am told
mircea_popescu: decimation but if they were corruption, it'd be cheaper.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HNIC | HNIC. acronym for Head Nigga In Charge. Contrary to public opinion, *slams fist on table* ... "There is only one boss here, and that's me, the HNIC!" -Joe Clark.
mircea_popescu: excellent example of why corruption is not the worst problem in a state.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama saved by the fighter jet that he canceled ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhyYb )
mircea_popescu: [The two Democratic fundraisers that Obama attended brought in roughly $3.5 million (source). So it would have been far cheaper for taxpayers if Obama had stayed in Washington and the U.S. Treasury had written a $3.5 million check to the Democratic Party.]
asciilifeform: there are at least 3 famous one
asciilifeform: decimation: familiar with the infamous u.s. navy captains ?
asciilifeform: decimation: they are already in management
decimation: asciilifeform: that might be true today, but at the current trajectory (when the females are all in management) will it be true in 20 years?
asciilifeform: and can afford (or think they can) the charity cases.
asciilifeform: fact is, they have a bottomless supply of proper grunts
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1phh8Rx )
Vexual: I don't suppose they mean to say the girls aren't allowed to be as strong as the men
mircea_popescu: then look how the shoulders and arms look of a (always titless) woman that can do 11
mircea_popescu: decimation this makes sense. do the experiment yourself, make juciy ass 21yo chicks do chinups.
decimation: excellent" rating; just one chin-up is enough for her to avoid the disqualifying "very poor" rating."
assbot: Secret Service Requires Female Agents to Meet Lower Physical Strength Standards Than Male Agents | The Weekly Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1phgNOK )
decimation: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/secret-service-requires-female-agents-meet-lower-physical-strength-standards-male-agents_808441.html "According to the Secret Service, a male recruit in his twenties needs to perform 11 chin-ups to receive an "excellent" rating; performing four chin-ups or fewer would disqualify him from serving as a Secret Service agent. But for a female recruit in her twenties, four chin-ups would earn her an "
mircea_popescu: but, anyway, let anyone fighting a war fight it the way he deems most convenient, who am i to intercede.
mircea_popescu: i do watch large cat in the eyes while petting it
asciilifeform: he can still take the shit
mircea_popescu: i don't watch water in the eyes while pouring it.
asciilifeform: retarded child can actually say 'now i will shit' - and then do it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me articulate my objection better, out of respect for the attention it's getting.
Vexual: thats some art of war stuff there ascii
decimation: asciilifeform: good point, in order to coordinate bureaucratically one nearly always must have enemy agents 'in the loop'
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm too used to running campaigns where the "enemy" can't even muster the courage to use its materiel.
decimation: a military of conscripts has the benefit of 1.) cannon fodder and 2.) actual people that can be sorted into leadership
decimation: mircea_popescu: I agree with you. one of the downfalls of the us is the large standing army of volunteers
asciilifeform: notice many armchair generals in the world. even armchair admirals.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah. through radio chatter the week before in port.
decimation: asciilifeform: you can see the self-licking ice cream cone here
asciilifeform: who the fuck cares whether uss fucktarditz is on its way to the north atlantic
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well they must do something at some point...
asciilifeform: that is, the immediate question of whether 'they' are on the way to your sector.
decimation: one could re-interpret the entire military-industrial-intel complex as a giant ego-trip
asciilifeform: the folks who care about intercept of grunt radios - are concerned with tactic, not strategy.
mircea_popescu: he can put it on his blog or w/e he has there,
mircea_popescu: i'd rather watch flies fuck./
mircea_popescu: this is the tallest order in the whole discussion.
mircea_popescu: all this of course presupposes anyone gives a shit as to what fbi agents say to each other.,
ben_vulpes: the donkey kong is strong with this one
decimation: and the dunning-kruger effect is strong
mircea_popescu: and of the bank that did, too.
mircea_popescu: decimation if you think the shocking stupidity of people like "silk road operators" occurs in a vacuum, let me remind you of the special agent that solved the case by excel spreadsheet.
mircea_popescu: decimation just trying to put in perspective the "time" in academic crypto paper.
assbot: IN CLAYTON: A few eggs thrown, but no other reaction from the small crowd outside the county Justice Center : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phdxmt )
mircea_popescu: 3TH/s means, for the record, at something like 150 "times" per hash, that the bitcoin network does ~2**50 time as-is.
assbot: Obama’s request for BlackBerry ‘bothered a lot of people’: ex-NSA official - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phd1EY )
Vexual: and they get shitty when it doesn't work and go back to analogue uhf
mircea_popescu: and they have to fit in portable instruments
decimation: ie the fact that non-technical cops are going to have to actually use them
decimation: but the point is the weakness isn't the crypto, it's probably all the other stuff mircea_popescu + that paper mentioned
decimation: Vexual: the above pdf I linked was a usenix, which was kind of a more civilized defcon
Vexual: I guess if P25 is breakable theres a reason it hasn't popped up at defon or some such
BingoBoingo: Shots fired at the police department
decimation: in the us, the usg takes that kind of thing very seriously
asciilifeform: which - i suspect - can be proven to exist in the general case.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we are the folk with acres of crays. like no others.
asciilifeform: the actual 'pill' consists of knowing the class of weak keys.
mircea_popescu: and on the attacker not using side channels
mircea_popescu: and they rely on good entropy
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, these are maximal.
asciilifeform: but it gives the overall flavour of approaches used by the folks with 'acres of crays', yes.
mircea_popescu: 2*39 time to recover the complete 256-bit key of a 9-round version http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/374
mircea_popescu: decimation afaik the pill has been around 4ever ?
asciilifeform: would be interesting to take one of these radios and look for correlation between, say, amplitude - or carrier freq drift - and input audio
asciilifeform: gotta understand, if above hypothesis is correct, they can use one time pad - and still be transparently readable.
Vexual: i think the change they keys up too
asciilifeform: then - doesn't matter what kind of cipher
decimation: receive any traffic sent in the clear even when they are
mircea_popescu: isn't that the 14 round braindead aes ?
asciilifeform: betcha there are speech-modulated analogue artifacts in the transmissions.
asciilifeform: decimation: that was the 'thy use null keys' result
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, I believe the 'metadata' is contained in the unencrypted header
asciilifeform: note that portable radios have no countermeasure against the elementary traffic analysis needed to find message boundaries
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are afaik
asciilifeform: never gave enough of a shit to comb through the published specs to answer this riddle
assbot: WWV’s 25 MHz Signal Back on the Air ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph93fJ )
decimation: actually WWV recently started broadcasting on 25 MHz again: http://www.arrl.org/news/wwv-s-25-mhz-signal-back-on-the-air
BingoBoingo: Looting the Boost Mobile of all places?
decimation: it's pointless to want to listen to the encrypted channels anyway, because my experience was that before the cops had crypto they would just use a cell phone
asciilifeform: decimation: typically they are the product of someone typing up an ancient, yellowed 'radio amateurs guide'
assbot: Chief tells the TRUTH that Black People dont want to hear. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1znlh6w )
undata: I'm sure you'll just decide they're "white niggers" and enjoy it
undata: decimation: I'm certain you'll get to see the cop tanks and other fun toys oppressing whites before long
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everyone around here calls police the 5-0
decimation: 10-codes are another amusing case of sillyness
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5-0 is code for the po-po
undata: in cases like this they're just after their own masturbatory power
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whither the 5- codes?
undata: decimation: the point I was after is that cops should be obedient slaves to whatever commands them
asciilifeform: 'the privilege of king and slave alike'
undata: asciilifeform: hell, you can go have a picnic and watch depending on the era
asciilifeform: yes! even in the midst of civil war - one can still beat off.
mircea_popescu: decimation there is/(was?) one in south africa.
decimation: I've always wondered why there's no 'tour the ghetto' bus in wash dc or baltimore
undata: the thing I hate is the bullshit
undata: this "but they shoot each other" thing misses the point entirely
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why the heck is she involved, wasn't she doing finance ?
decimation: in the us
assbot: No indictment of Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown. Heading to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash tomorrow. See you soon.
decimation: and not each other
decimation: undata: the poor blacks that are constantly murdered by the police
decimation: and the poor innocents that undata lauds suddenly listened with intense interest
decimation: then the 'iphone-streaming remote scanner apps' became popular
bagels7: oman is weird, they have transsexual women but being gay is illegal. must be a rich country
decimation: the vast majority of police radio systems in the us use 'apco-25'
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: They didn't specify an area code, would be necessary. StL metro isn't that small
decimation: sometimes the morse is a network or channel number
decimation: asciilifeform: 2.4 ghz and 915 mhz bands alllow 1 watt out of amplifier if the waveform is spread spectrum
decimation: most of the entries in this database are woefully inaccurate
asciilifeform: ianal - but iirc, only wattage is regulated in the 'license-free' bands
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2.4G (and a few other bands) are statutorily 'special' in usa
decimation: after all, there's only one real sovereign
decimation: the reason: the FCC requires station identification
decimation: asciilifeform: morse is commonly used in the us by those ignorant of it
asciilifeform: lol it's like they broadcast a 'gentlemen, start your engines, riot now'.
assbot: Natural law, and the problem of definitions. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1znhcPP )
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Seems just announced
asciilifeform: wtf is the morse doing in there
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: i like how they have yet to announce the indictment. has it leaked yet?
BingoBoingo: And the radio feed is silent
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1zngq5g )
mircea_popescu: cause at the time they were desperate for a friend, a relative, anyone, to hide them somewhere lest they be lynched.
mircea_popescu: spot any milytsia in there ?
cazalla: undata, it's all white people inside on that video, all black people outside in the other stream i'm watching
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (yes, we know it was another animal, but how can one tell from photo.)
mircea_popescu: <mthreat> i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too << there';s at least a hundred, of each.
danielpbarron: bagels7, http://www.atruechurch.info/murray.html Is it not written in your law, "I said, 'You are gods'"? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming," because I said, "I am the Son of God"? (John 10:34-36, bold added)
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ess | Ess. A Cambodian expression used when a guy talks in a neutral tone while sounding like he's showing off. Either he's joking by blowing it out of proportion or  ...
asciilifeform: 'Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.' (tm)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or instead they start a Caliphate in Eastern Missouri.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: outcome where the police lose << what's that look like? rioters bulldoze all the way to washington ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, trunked I imagine. Long periods of silence though so maybe this is the channel of least interest.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: police scanner << lol, there's still a city where police radio is plaintext ?
kakobrekla: shut the fuck up.
cazalla: danielpbarron, even Indiana Jones knew God's name is Jehovah (yes, they cherry picked shit like that)
mthreat: where they talk about how to make more money, etc
bagels7: danielpbarron: what other gods are there?
mthreat: i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too
danielpbarron: bagels7, try praying to the God of The Bible next time
xanthyos: i thought these people were on a higher tier than the tinychat schlubs
bagels7: how the hell can I make 5 digits doing THAT
BingoBoingo: This is the first time I've listened to a police scanner feed and not been incredibly bored
assbot: St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.Ferguson PDRIOT-ARIOT-BRIOT-CRIOT-DRIOT-E... ... ( http://bit.ly/1zncO3o )
bagels7: i still have like 500 dollars I can't claim on cam4 because my friend went on it and now they want said friends ID
BingoBoingo: Ah. I wonder how many guys going from videos to cams just made the jump to actual escorts.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo from what i hear camwhoring is doing poorly these days, most of the girls i knew killing the cams years ago are moving back to fucking
BingoBoingo: bagels7: There's still LiveJasmin or whatever.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, twitch updated their rules, you can't show a tonne of cleavage anymore, this girl - kaceytron - her fault http://www.twitch.tv/kaceytron
bagels7: or what they call "shemales"
BingoBoingo is safely on the other side of the river, surrounded by rural and pale folk
cazalla: bagels7, you don't have to be hot to be a gamer girl, just play games and talk to the nerds and they'll send you tips, example - http://www.twitch.tv/karmaah 565 viewers and she is ugly, Top Single Donation : Jamspr $750 Top Donator : Jared0x90 $2540 holy fuck if i was a girl i'd be on there playing pokemon for tips all day
mircea_popescu: they end up having to do a lot of jetting back and forth.
mircea_popescu: in fact, prime girls have more of a problem trying to keep the engine going than A and B cuts.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well none of them think that. At least not the ones who go police. Because Hollywood and stuff.
mircea_popescu: roughly the same fuckwits end up recruited by ganglords or the police, you realise. how many retarded kids think of the outcome where they get killed, on any one job ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And of course the last thing they might be considering is the outcome where the police lose.
mircea_popescu: and if the town you're in can't provide more cock than you can scissor up, fucking move from that shitspot.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Almost like the police want a riot << i bet you at least half the police want a riot. logically : 1) all these sweet toys they only get to play with if there's a riot ; 2) police funding depends on riots, their salaries may be on the line in all cases except if there;s a riot ; 3) these uppity niggers ? fuck them!!1 let's show em who's baws.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, a serious girl HERE makes more than the 80 plus tips 5 times a month you're talking about.
mircea_popescu: fixed rate, hired for their services. phone screening or w/e it is, comes to 10 an hour.
mircea_popescu: so then, 50 worked hours a week ~= 9k, in six weeks you have enough to implement this plan.
mircea_popescu: when you suck a dude and then fuck him.
mircea_popescu: others of which speaking arabic and treating you like teh matriarch
mircea_popescu: then you can go to egypt, marry a local man with a harem, live the rest of your days in a garden with some chickens
bagels7: I saw some fancy hotels and some guys are nice and one even took me to the restaurant twice
bagels7: I like to garden but I don't have any land...it's just nice being in a yard with chicken in the background
bagels7: I wish i would meat interesting people but it's not like they want to talk about work with me
bagels7: yeah thanks for the reminder
undata: which reminds me to do the same...
cazalla: bagels7, you know how to door knock, what's the difference?
undata: that most people actually don't get the recommended dose of suffering to calibrate their head
bagels7: cazallaI have had enough "spiritual meals" from them in for a million life times
undata: I have a weird theory on depression, that it can often be a sort of phantom suffering phenomenon
bagels7: mircea_popescu: I started making shapes to originally deal with depression in the first place and originally i was just making drawings
assbot: The Right to Read- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKa1Fr )
asciilifeform: (the well-known 'right to read' by rms. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html )
mircea_popescu: now, how some uncultured lout in australia and a bunch of uncultured louts in the us managed to reinvent the exact pits of scholastic thought in 15th century europe
asciilifeform: ey assumed this meant you were doing something else forbidden, and they did not need to know what it was.'
asciilifeform: 'Of course, if the school ever found out that he had given Lissa his own password, it would be curtains for both of them as students, regardless of what she had used it for. School policy was that any interference with their means of monitoring students' computer use was grounds for disciplinary action. It didn't matter whether you did anything harmful—the offense was making it hard for the administrators to check on you. Th
mircea_popescu: "we punish not for what they did, but because they think they should be punished"
mircea_popescu: this struck me when i read it because it is an exact reprise of the scholastics backing the inquisiton :
asciilifeform: the 'and then lied' thing (as reflected in earlier quote) is used to add a zero or two to the 'potential prison time' and make the chump play ball ('plea bargain')
mircea_popescu: "We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "and then she lied about it" reminds me of a very particular thing that struck me a while back.
undata: asciilifeform: a documentary comes to mind about the feds helping a group of black dudes "attempt an act of terrorism"
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
asciilifeform: 'She is accused of telling an undercover FBI agent that she could help facilitate sending somebody to join the ISIS fight in Syria, and she then lied to FBI agents about it.'
bagels7: I make cardboard geometric solids, pretty much all of them, I read crappy news and start crappy arguements with silly opiniated people
undata: "it's hot in here, someone kill the thermometer"
asciilifeform: was anyone able to load the court document re: isiswoman ?
mircea_popescu: equal trophies motherfucker!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are very few men teaching history in usa primary school level.
undata: as long as we're all clear that the US is well into "jailing people for opinions" territory on this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that thing you dug up is some kind of appreciation award for schoolteachers. in usa 'social studies' is what they (for no reason i know of, despite being there) renamed 'history/geography' class in primary school.
mircea_popescu: undata because the ones that'd have enough sense for such a thing long left for isis ?
undata: if we can't handle them
undata: we might as well just roll over and piss in the air
mircea_popescu: why are there no men being given trophies ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, leaving aside the "0 comments, nobody carres" part : http://mdcss.org/mdcss-congratulates-2014-award-winners/
mircea_popescu: THEY WERENT LOVED!
mircea_popescu: poor unloved isis, no wonder it's going to rape the mdcss in corpore.
mircea_popescu: now they changed their tune, loving the wrong guys is no longer the cure.
mircea_popescu: undata it's more amusing than that. 50 years ago, the fucktarded feminists in charge were all about how "love is the answer to all problems"
bagels7: I like clean very much and do the floors almost daily
mircea_popescu: should not get to confront the storytelling nature of their activity.
mircea_popescu: but the large bulk of pointless idiots that are telling themselves stories
asciilifeform: if not for the cultural wall, whole planet would be banging on the caliph's door
cazalla: mircea_popescu, cause i need another woman that can't cook or clean?
mircea_popescu: nah but see, not what i mean. obviously the ones that are worth two shits don't need to find out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform teh old guys are really worried that the young guys may find out that the young girls are more impressed with isis-ing than with whatever the old guys clamor to be impressing them.
mircea_popescu: bagels7 so what do you do, cook and clean ? give head ? sing & play the harp?
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla well they prolly have a point <<< not that it matters at this point
bagels7: my boyfriend pays the rent
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